From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 1 09:25:47 1994 Date: Thu, 01 Dec 1994 00:11:00 -0500 From: Andrew Steele Subject: Snow Plow Info - Thanks To: lro@stratus.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: Michael, Thanks for the dimensions. I think the frame mount on the Chevy will work w/ very minor modifications on a Rover. By the way, if anyone is interested, I may also have a lead on a in stock new mounting kit at a Western Plow dealer here in Dayton. Now, to find the Rover..... Andrew Dayton, OH 87 RR P.S. Thanks to everyone who responded. --- ---/ | ]--|O~~~~~O~ From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 1 09:26:03 1994 From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: Imposing Winch & Starter Problems To: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 0:11:56 EST Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: <01HK3SQILZIG94FKY8@delphi.com>; from "LANDROVER@delphi.com" at Nov 30, 94 9:37 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.36.1.1] Status: O X-Status: > Hal sez... > > > Now, in my rover, I seem to have a problem with my starter coming loose > ---snip--- > > annoying. Why am I plagued with this problem?? > Mike replies: > Seriously... you say the starter is coming loose and jamming into the > flywheel?? The whole starter?? There are two bolts holding it in.. Hmmm... > Bolts come in from the flywheel housing..through the starter flange.. > lockwashers and nuts.. > Only thing I can think of is either you haven't tightened the nuts enough or > maybe the lockwashers are flattened out and don't lock anymore. these bolts are studs, yes? Not stripped (nor is the bell housing) are they? maybe it is Bad Karma. You been good lately? rd/nige From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 1 09:29:31 1994 From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Waxoyl ingredients To: lro@team.net Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 0:08:09 EST Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.36.1.1] Status: RO X-Status: Ok Morgan, Here it is. Finnigan's Waxoyl, The Original Rustproofing (or so it's claimed). Gosh I love the smell of this stuff. and the ingredients are......uh, not......they're naaa...not, nope not here. Gheeze, how do they get away with it?? Is there no patent protection? Too much patent protection?? Hmmm. The package claims "it's a thick, waxy fluid saturated with a very powerful rustkiller"...that supposedly contains..."rust-inhibiting molecules that cut through films of oil, grease, and dirt in seconds and cling to metal surfaces"....which... "unlike chemical inhibitors used in ordinary rustproofers, stay active indefinately." Also claims it has the ability to creep and that it is effective against multi-metal corrosion. It's thick and waxy all right. Doesn't spray worth a damn until you heat it up (in hot water-it IS flammable) or dilute it. Looks yellowish with pale wax in it when "gelled" at room temperature (my kinda room temps, anyway), and when heated it just looks yeller-like a dilute citronella candle (or don't you folks have bugs, neither?). hmmm. Wonder what this rustkiller is. If "unlike a chemical inhibitor", then what is it? Wax?? Yet another corn syrup product?? Not from mumslnd. Maybe they mean unlike *most* or *all other* rust inhibitors, maybe it's just more stable and less prone towards decomposition from air oxidation, uv light, bad gas (oooPH), and good ol' electrolyte ridden water. It's a concept-could be...I gotta look it up. This creep stuff....could be wax, I suppose. Wax wouldn't be in the name if it wasn't there. Multi-metal corrosion stopper? Maybe only 'cause it's effective against *all* corrosion on account of the fact that it seals out water so well, and not because the rustkiller or some other ingredient is especially effective against galvanic conduction. Hell, maybe wax has everything to do with it. Maybe wax seals in and protects the rust inhibitors-any ol' rust inhibitors-from the nasties of nature and does all the work. I know, I'll taste it. Gotta be able to taste wax.....There's ah, nope...no warnings on the label...says it's just like sprayin' roses...I put it in my hair, knowingly....ok..... Oh, man, yuck. How am I ever gonna get this taste outa my mouth? Where's the Scotch? Just can't trust these outa-merica labels. Don't you folks got no manners? There isn't a warning on this package that tells me not to feed this to my dog, cat, horse, or my kids (if I have any, I dunno), or not to eat it myself. Like pushin' pills on a baby. It *does* tell me not to put it in my eyes, and to keep it out of the reach of children, but I drink stuff like that. How do you folks get away with this??? Don't got no legislaaation? Too much?? (can you understand now why most americans are required to wear seatbelts? it's a wonder they let us drive at all.) I do know that the stuff is impressive. I sprayed two entire cans, non-diluted, on Nigel's underbelly (goochy, goochy, goo) and framerails for the first time about a month ago. Sixty bucks worth. Overkill. It could have been diluted and would have sprayed much easier if it had. Prior to that I used a 90wt/kerosene mix.....made quite the mess, and it didn't last forever (tell that to the DEC). It was cheap, but it dripped off and only areas within reach of my various self-lubrication devices (standard features on series models) remained well coated. This waxoyl is on like glue, everywhere, with nothing under it, and it ain't goin' nowhere. As time goes on and the remaining solvent in it evaporates, it seems to slowly spread, and not spread thin but kinda thicken. Hunkerin' down for winter. My axle housings and springs, previously rusting on the surface, have a lasting glow I could only have gotten-but never kept-with a fresh paint job. Everything underneath finally looks as it is-fresh and lubed and well maintained. I'm so happy. Nigel is so psyched he popped himself right outa gear the other day, backed his butt on down a slope and into a phone poll, just to match the dent the NYC cabbie put into the other side. Spunky boy. A 2.5L "tin" (another one for the glossery-it's a can, dammit) of Waxoyl can be bought with the pump, wand, and extension tip, which is just a hose with a fitting for the wand with a nail in one end (but very good for frame rails) for just under $50 US. That's around what I paid at Moss Motors. Replacement 2.5L tins go for about $25-30. Kinda expensive, but worth every dime. Also don't forget, you can use it in your hair, but it makes lousy toothpaste. cheers all, rd/nigel ps Not I nor anybody who pretends to be me neither supports nor dispells nothin'. That should cover it. From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 1 09:30:57 1994 X-Authentication-Warning: tornadic.sw.stratus.com: Host localhost.stratus.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Land-Rover-Owner@Team.Net Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 01 Dec 94 07:55:28 GMT." <199412010755.HAA25335@chunnel.uk.stratus.com> Date: Thu, 01 Dec 94 06:17:17 -0500 From: William Caloccia Status: RO X-Status: From: "T.F. Mills" Subject: Re: Camel Trophy 95 < etc. They didn't always sponsor the Camel Trophy, but I understand that < the past 3 or 4 years they have handled all the publicity for the Camel < Trophy event. > Maybe I'm imagining it, but I think Worldwide Brands International > (WBI) has sponsored Camel Trophy from the beginning. 'Camel' (as in I'd walk a mile for a...), and the classic green and tan Camel trophy logo have been there for years... some some years ago (5-10), 'Camel' (as in the smokin' Joe kiddie brand) ceased to be the proper sponser, but handed it off to the now lucrative 'Camel Trophy Adventure Gear/Wear' to sponser, eg. the marketing of associated 'name' items had become a profit making end in it self (witness the 'Marlboro Classics' store just out side of convent garden, at your local NASCAR event, etc.) > There is a Worldwide Brands Inc in Grimbergen, Belgium, but it is a > management consulting service. (Boechoutlaan 55, Grimbergen 1853, tel things are often named for what they are not... > There is also an RJR-WBI office in Hong Kong. I can't imagine the More likely they're wholely-owned subsidiaries operating in the EMEA (Europe MiddleEast and Afrrica) and AP (Asia-Pacific) business regions, which seems to be the trend for U.S. companies [looking across the Atlantic or Pacific]. ------------------------------ From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: equipment / chains > there. IOW, on a Land Rover you *don't need chains in deep snow* . > A different thing is hard, compacted snow 'polished' by traffic (or > skiers), or icy roads. There, nothing beats chains. Another entirely different kind of snow is what happens after you get 18 to 24 inches and then it does a freezing rain bit... basically, the snow was crusted over hard enough I could walk on it (and for those of you who haven't met me, I should say bit closer to 20 stone than 10 stone) The rover (OK, so they were kind of pacifist tyres), was doing ok until John hit a slight drift on an incline. It went up a little and then managed to settle into the drift. In the middle of this sheet of ice above the snow. Some hacking to remove the obstructing ice in front and stuffed up before frame rails and it was off again. ------------------------------ European Delivery: One salesman at Keeler in Albany left me with the impression that it _was_ possible, however, that _was_ a sales droid. FYI: I rang up H.R.Owen, a (not particluarly liked) LR/RR dealer in London, and the sales droid there said that as a UK dealer, he could only order UK units. I looked about the rear of LRO, but could find no UK dealers that said they did exports. As I recall LRNA is in MD or VA, and you might want to ring them. I also recall that Rovers North advertised LR vehicles for export, so failing LRNA, you might want to give them a ring. If all that fails, find out what Beemers do, and then write to Solihul and Munich and ask why LR doesn't do the same... Stefen: still haven't sold that LHD SIII eh ? rd/nige: the digester isn't able to trim the long forwarded passages that have line splits added when wrapped, so be nice and don't forward the whole message, or don't split the lines so the digester doesn't hurl, eh ? From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 1 09:58:49 1994 Date: Thu, 01 Dec 1994 08:00:11 -0500 From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) Phone: 201-564-2073 Subject: Donner Pass To: LRO@stratus.com Content-Type: Text Status: O X-Status: Morgan wrote: >> I come to the check-point where the CHP and CalTrans makes sure vehicles are equiped to go through the Donner Summit including talking to drivers of ill prepared cars. I pull up, and they just chuckled and waved me through. >> I've heard a lot about Donner Pass and saw Ken Burns' brothers documentry on the Donner party, but I'm curious. What is the pass like? Has anyone driven that and Smuggler's Notch in VT also? How do they compare? Smuggler's Notch is fairly steep (no trucks/trailers allowed) and requires full lock and 1st gear on the 109 at times, but the Donner Pass is much more legendary. Sandy, have you driven both? Bill maloney@wings.attmail.com From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 1 10:00:41 1994 From: Mike Rooth Subject: Floyd on FWH To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 12:36:29 GMT Status: O X-Status: There's a letter in the current issue of LRW (just arrived this morning...early!)on the subject of FWH,written by Ross Floyd of the Series Two Club.He hates them!Basically,his opinion is that they dont give any better fuel consumption because you tend to use the extra power available to go faster,you tend never to engage them to sling some oil around in the swivel housings, (oil?what oil)and......and this I *cant* really credit..he uses low box for parking and shunting trailers around!Without the hubs engaged,what's more,whch doesnt do his back axle an awful lot of good.I dont know what worldwide opinion is on this, but my view is he asks for all he gets.If you want better fuel consumption,then dont bleed the stuff of with speed.Driver's option,no?Point about the oil I reckon is fair enough,I dont know anyone that *does* engage the things for this purpose. I talked a mate into doing it with his S111 once,and he reckoned the noise was so incredible that he'll never do it again! As for using low box for shoving trailers around,on tarmac,well, even *I* dont have to resort to that,and I dont rate myself any particular dab hand at reversing horse boxes into spaces *just* too small for them:-((.But use low box?Be damned if I will. What do the rest of you think? Cheers Mike Rooth From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 1 10:00:55 1994 From: Russell Burns Subject: Re: Donner Pass To: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 4:20:35 PST Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: ; from "maloney" at Dec 1, 94 8:00 am Status: O X-Status: > > I've heard a lot about Donner Pass and saw Ken Burns' brothers documentry on > the Donner party, but I'm curious. What is the pass like? Has anyone driven > that and Smuggler's Notch in VT also? How do they compare? Smuggler's > Notch is fairly steep (no trucks/trailers allowed) and requires full lock and > 1st gear on the 109 at times, but the Donner Pass is much more legendary. > Sandy, have you driven both? > > Bill > > maloney@wings.attmail.com > I have driven, and skied smugglers notch. I don't remember the drive as overly exciting, but skiing down the road on glare ice was a blast. (We camped in the hut at the top of the notch.) Russ From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 1 11:21:57 1994 From: Russell Burns Subject: Re: Waxoyl ingredients To: dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com (Russell G. Dushin) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 7:27:31 PST Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <199412010506.AAA02463@transfer.stratus.com>; from "Russell G. Dushin" at Dec 1, 94 12:08 am Status: RO X-Status: > the nasties of nature and does all the work. I know, I'll taste it. Gotta be > able to taste wax.....There's ah, nope...no warnings on the label...says it's > just like sprayin' roses...I put it in my hair, knowingly....ok..... > > Oh, man, yuck. How am I ever gonna get this taste outa my mouth? Where's the > Scotch? > > Just can't trust these outa-merica labels. Don't you folks got no manners? > There isn't a warning on this package that tells me not to feed this to my dog, > cat, horse, or my kids (if I have any, I dunno), or not to eat it myself. Like > pushin' pills on a baby. It *does* tell me not to put it in my eyes, and to > keep it out of the reach of children, but I drink stuff like that. How do you > folks get away with this??? Don't got no legislaaation? Too much?? > I think the proper application here is to dilute the waxole with cheap Scotch, or kerosene. Warm it gently, light the liqued, and drink the mixture rather rapidly.... Russ (please don't try this at home. only trained rover nuts in garages should attempt this) > From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 1 11:22:11 1994 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 08:22:19 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Reply-To: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU, lro@team.net Subject: Re: Waxoyl equivalents? Status: RO X-Status: In message Morgan Hannaford writes: > > I've never seen waxoyl(sic) on the shelf, and apparently others have > received strange responses from hardware stores for asking Morgan, You can mail order Waxol from Moss Motors (800-235-6954) in Goleta CA. Ask for their Austain Healey catalogue. There are a number of electrical parts that these cars share with Land Rovers & you can get them cheaper than through Rovers North. TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 1 11:22:43 1994 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 11:42:29 -0500 (EST) From: Jon Humphrey To: morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU (Morgan Hannaford), "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: Waxoyl equivalents? Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: <199411302111.QAA06398@transfer.stratus.com> Status: RO X-Status: Russ writes; > > rd/nige > >ps I'll check on the ingredients tonight > >pps what's the cost?? The waxoyl was $30ish a can from Moss Motors. >(and a can is a half gallon) I just got a price from one distributor here in Pittsburgh of $43.07/gallon, and $8.88/11oz. spray can. I got a price last night from another supplier of $4.70/11oz.spray can. He didn't have any gallons. Go figure? Jon From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 1 11:22:55 1994 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 11:49:21 -0500 (EST) From: Jon Humphrey To: morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU (Morgan Hannaford), "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: Waxoyl equivalents? addendum Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: <199411302111.QAA06398@transfer.stratus.com> Status: RO X-Status: >pps what's the cost?? The waxoyl was $30ish a can from Moss Motors. >(and a can is a half gallon) I just got a price from one distributor here in Pittsburgh of $43.07/gallon, and $8.88/11oz. spray can. I got a price last night from another supplier of $4.70/11oz.spray can. He didn't have any gallons. Go figure? Jon Sorry about that. These are the prices for LPS 3 HD rust inhib. Seems the utilities and the city use a lot of it on their stuff. From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 1 14:04:22 1994 From: "Rostykus, John" To: LRO List Subject: Re: Moss Motors picture Date: Thu, 01 Dec 94 09:58:00 PST Encoding: 15 TEXT Status: RO X-Status: >... and then Art Van der Star's ultra cool >Ser lla 109 Fire Truck. This was one of two Rovers that were purchased >and did yeomans work for an oil refinery up in Alberta, Canada. It's in >original condition and Art even gave us a demo of the 2000 gallon per >minute fire pump, throwing a supply hose into the nearby pond and >shooting a stream for a couple minutes. The truck has an original >Land Rover trailer made from the rear of a 109 chassis with a 500 gallon >water tank mounted. He really enjoys the rig and loves to talk about >it's history to all who ask. For anyone interested, this vehicle had a for-sale sign on it at the meet... Rosty john@data-io.com From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 1 14:04:37 1994 From: "Rostykus, John" To: LRO List Subject: RE: Hybridizing Date: Thu, 01 Dec 94 10:24:00 PST Encoding: 16 TEXT Status: O X-Status: >I am considering turning the Series IIA into a hybrid. Anyone know where >to get a cheap '90 or Range Rover chassis to play with. > >Also, has anyone in N.A. installed a non Rover deisel into their Rover >and what type of motor and costs were associated. > >James Spyker 196? SIIA Sorry about the noise, but my mailer ate your 'return address'. I put a perkins 4.182 in my '79 RR. Please e-mail me directly for more details. Rosty john@data-io.com From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 1 14:05:12 1994 Posted-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 10:51:18 -0800 To: lro@team.net Subject: Re: Floyd on FWH In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 01 Dec 1994 12:36:29 GMT." <9412011236.AA08590@hpc.lut.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 01 Dec 1994 10:51:10 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Status: O X-Status: Mike Rooth wrote: > you tend never to > engage them to sling some oil around in the swivel housings, > (oil?what oil)and... [snip] > Point about the oil I reckon is fair enough,I dont > know anyone that *does* engage the things for this purpose. > I talked a mate into doing it with his S111 once,and he reckoned > the noise was so incredible that he'll never do it again! I'm tring to take better care of my Rover from now on. I've been engaging the hubs and driving a few miles once a week to sling the oil around. Of course in the weeks that I go off road I can ignore this. Since I'm putting 300 to 400 miles on the Rover every week I figures that this would be a good idea. But we'll see how long I actually keep remembering in do it. I'm also tring to get into the habit of changing the oil every 3000miles instead of every 5000. Which reminds me, I should change the oil tomorrow. -Benjamin Smith ---------------- Science Applications Internation Corporation China Lake Naval Air Weapons Center bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil 1972 Land Rover Series III 88 From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 1 14:06:32 1994 X-Msmail-Message-Id: 910B1B2B X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: 910B1B2B From: Mike Dryfoos To: lro@team.net Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 11:06:38 TZ Subject: Range Rover owner goes retro Status: O X-Status: Well, inspired in part by you lot, and the sheer funky charm of the beast, I've gone out and acquired a '71 Series IIA 88", to keep the '92 Range Rover company. The previous owner bought the thing in somewhat sad shape, and spent a couple of years restoring bits and pieces of engine, brakes, suspension, attacking rust spots, repainting it the original poppy red and limestone, and rebuilding the interior. It is fully dressed with accessories, to wit, a Superwinch overdrive, Dualmatic FWHs, Warn winch, safari roof, roof-line air intake snorkel, and even a radio. It needs new parking brake shoes now, new tires soon, and and engine rebuild in a couple of years. The odometer shows about 115,000 miles. My wife and I are training two search and rescue dogs, which involves frequent trips to the mountains for exercises. We've been using the RR for transport, but the dogs are pretty hard on it. We'll now be using the LR instead -- after all, what is there for the dogs to destroy, anyway? I don't have a lot of experience with automotive mechanics, so this is going to be a big learning experience for me. I figured with the old Rover's reputation as an easy-to-work-on vehicle, this would be a good place to start. I'm sure I'll have lots of questions for the old hands among you. Any words of encouragment or warning about what I should be watching out for now? Any Seattle-area folks willing to provide hands-on advice to a novice owner? From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 09:05:38 1994 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 12:08:23 PST From: labranch@sybase.com (Jason LaBranch) To: lro@team.net Subject: A few thoughts on Winches Content-Length: 1390 Status: O X-Status: I have just a few thoughts on winches since this seems to be the subject lately. If you have say a 8,000lb winche you can actually increase this to 16,000lb by simple adding an appropriatly weighted pully. When doing this you want to make sure that all the components will handle the strain. The cable should be fine as is because you are effectively doubling it over. Have an extra long length of chain or cable that can handle 16,000lbs that you could attach one end to an achor and one end to the pully. Pull your cable all the way out, wrap it around the pully and attach the hook end back on you vehicle. The speed of the winche will be cut in half but you will have lots of pulling power. Another Idea is that if you have the proper fittings you can use your high lift jack as a hand winche thus eliminating the need for a power winche. It is good to have these fittings any way incase your powered winche fails mechanically. My last thought is personal. Be very careful about what you attach the end of the cables to. Take caution of where you stand and where others are standing in relation to the vehicle and the achor. This is especially true for streaching ropes. A young boy I knew was watching as a vehicle was pulling a platform out of a lake and was killed instantly when a piece of an anchor riped off and shoved his nose into his brain. Jason LaBranch From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 09:06:31 1994 Posted-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 12:30:43 -0800 To: lro@team.net Subject: Re: A few thoughts on Winches In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 01 Dec 1994 12:08:23 PST." <9412012008.AA12308@yeola.sybgate.sybase.com> Date: Thu, 01 Dec 1994 12:30:36 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Status: O X-Status: Jason LaBranch wrote: > If you have say a 8,000lb winche you can actually increase this > to 16,000lb by simple adding an appropriatly weighted pully. When Yup. Warn sells a kit with a snatch block (pulley), tree strap, a length of chain, gloves and shackle (for attaching the snatch block to the tree strap). The snatch block is also useful for times when you can't get a straight line pull from your vehicle to the anchor that you are using. The snatch block can be used to put a bend in the cable. > Another Idea is that if you have the proper fittings you can use > your high lift jack as a hand winche thus eliminating the need > for a power winche. It is good to have these fittings any way > incase your powered winche fails mechanically. Although this takes a bloody long time. But it works in a pinch. > My last thought is personal. Be very careful about what you attach > the end of the cables to. Take caution of where you stand and > where others are standing in relation to the vehicle and the achor. Just be careful. Ropes and cables can break and when they do they will cut through people. When I use the winch, I toss a blanket on top of the cable. This way if the cable severs or the anchor pulls out, there is some mass trying to keep the cable on the ground. I'd much rather loose a foot than my head. Another safety recommendation is to put the hood of your vehicle up when you are doing heavy winching. That way the hood (and tyre for Land Rovers) takes the impact instead of the windshield and possibly your head. -Benjamin Smith ---------------- Science Applications Internation Corporation China Lake Naval Air Warfare Center bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil 1972 Land Rover Series III 88 From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 09:07:15 1994 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 12:35:25 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Reply-To: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: john@dspmail.Data-IO.COM, LRO@apple.com, List@apple.com, lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: Moss Motors picture Status: O X-Status: In message <2EDE0EAE@dspmail.data-io.com> "Rostykus, John" writes: > > >... and then Art Van der Star's ultra cool > >Ser lla 109 Fire Truck. This was one of two Rovers that were purchased > >and did yeomans work for an oil refinery up in Alberta, Canada. It's in > >original condition and Art even gave us a demo of the 2000 gallon per > >minute fire pump, throwing a supply hose into the nearby pond and > >shooting a stream for a couple minutes. The truck has an original > >Land Rover trailer made from the rear of a 109 chassis with a 500 gallon > >water tank mounted. He really enjoys the rig and loves to talk about > >it's history to all who ask. > > For anyone interested, this vehicle had a for-sale sign on it at the meet... > > Rosty > john@data-io.com Dare I ask how much was asked for the LR??? A neighbor's house, 1/4 mi away through the forrest, went up in flames a week ago. Had everything not been wet from a recent rain, the whole neighborhood could have had gone up. Watching the neighbor trying to fight the fire with a gargen hose as the fire was engulfing the garage then going to the house while the fire department was going back & forth on a nearby road trying to find the correct road did not inspire confidence. TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 09:07:44 1994 From: "Rostykus, John" To: TeriAnn Wakeman Cc: LRO List Subject: Re: Moss Motors picture Date: Thu, 01 Dec 94 13:51:00 PST Encoding: 21 TEXT Status: O X-Status: >> >... and then Art Van der Star's ultra cool >> >it's history to all who ask. >> >> For anyone interested, this vehicle had a for-sale sign on it at the meet... >> >> Rosty >> john@data-io.com > >Dare I ask how much was asked for the LR??? Vague recollection says $10,000 canadian. b.t.w. I have no intention of representing this vehicle, but would be glad to help anyone interested in contacting the owner (I do not know Art personally, but know folks who do). Rosty john@data-io.com From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 09:07:54 1994 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 16:40:43 CST From: jahoff@heartland.bradley.edu (Janice Hoffart) To: lro@stratus.com Subject: Unsubscribe Reply-To: jahoff@heartland.bradley.edu Status: O X-Status: Please unsubscribe jahoff@heartland.bradley.edu Thank you... -- Benjamin J. Freeman Lanf"Land Rover Fanatice!" 73' Series III , Owner From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 09:08:48 1994 From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: Re: Imposing Winch & Starter Problems To: halightw@FLASH.LakeheadU.CA (Hal A. Lightwood) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 18:42:39 -0500 (EST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: from "Hal A. Lightwood" at Nov 30, 94 04:10:13 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 641 Status: O X-Status: > I received the Rovers North Newsletter today, and noticed a familiar name > from this list had the "most imposing winch". (Dixon Kenner) Very nice! A Koenig pto winch. There are a bunch in OVLR and on the list. > Actually, this is more than slightly inconvenient, it is very very very > annoying. Why am I plagued with this problem?? 1. How are the studs? 2. How are the lock washers? (flat?) 3. Try brass nuts that get tighter are they heat up, thus should not loosen. 4. Are the studs stripped at the endwhere they should be tight? 5. Are the nuts semi-stripped? Not to many reasons why this can happen... Rgds, From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 09:08:56 1994 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 16:38:09 +0800 From: William.Grouell@Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell) To: lro@stratus.com Subject: Re: Imposing Winch & Starter Problems X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 244 Status: O X-Status: > > Actually, this is more than slightly inconvenient, it is very very very > > annoying. Why am I plagued with this problem?? Put new lock washers on it. Put nylon stop nuts (aircraft) on it. They are 3/8-24 (AF). Do both. R, bg From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 09:11:38 1994 From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: waxoyl vs. LPS To: morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU (Morgan Hannaford) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 19:48:44 EST Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: ; from "Morgan Hannaford" at Nov 30, 94 12:52 (noon) Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.36.1.1] Status: RO X-Status: OK, one more time Morgan saiz LPS has > Ingedients: (get out your chem. 1A text) > Aliphatic hydrocarbon, petrolium oil, Dipropylene glycol monomethyl ether No need for the chem text, this is basic stuff. Aliphatic hydrocarbons could mean lotsa stuff, but here they probably mean a mixture of things like pentanes, hexanes, heptanes, octanes, nonanes, decanes, etc, etc....basically all solvents. Petro oil-ahh, lube. Anything from vasoline to 5 wt and back to wheel bearing grease. Probably a crude mix taken straight from the hull of a ship. Dipropylene glycol monomethyl ether.....CH3OCH2CH2CH2OCH2CH2CH2OH, and isomers thereof. Just for kicks I looked up what this stuff is used for. Apparently, it is used in the ink industry rather extensively (and several of the abstracts of papers and patents I read mentioned that the resulting ink when used in ball point pens prevents the corrosion of the ball point-but there were other things in the ink that could have been responsible for the anti-corrosive properties) One paper was entitled "Two-component permanent-waving composition for human hair", ....so maybe this IS the magic ingredient in waxoyl! But no mention of wax or parrafin itself, aye?? > If anyone has a waxoyl jug handy, let's compare ingredients. Well, as I said, whatever it is it ain't on the label. I made a brief attempt to look up waxoyl. Got nothin'. Looked up hammerite (even though it isn't claimed to be in waxoyl, but waxoyl is made by the same folks-the Hammerite Corporation, or something to that effect-that market hammerite). It turned up one reference to a Copper-lead-bismuth sulfide complex, but it was on the crystal forms of this stuff (which is apparently mined...and therefore might not be considered "chemical" but rather "mineral" to the marketing folk who wrote the label I described earlier) and what "point group" they fall into. Nothing about its use. I then spoke with an information specialist here at work...a library dude. He said that the composition was probably a trade secret, and suggested the best he or I would come up with would be to find out who makes the stuff...and we already know that. He then went on to tell a story about his grad school advisor that got so hung up on the composition of a gas additive (that he couldn't find out from the patent literature) that he had one of his students inject the stuff into a gc.....they basically watched peak after peak come off for the rest of the day. I don't think I'll be injecting any waxoyl into my gc. so there you have it-it's a trade secret. But if you are "hooked on phonics" and barely literate, you could probably figure out that it has wax and oil in it. If and when I find some parafin lying around I think I'll toss it into some hexane, spray it on my fume hood on a metal area, park some nasty acid under it, and see if the sprayed part offers any protection. If it works, how much you wanna buy?? rd/nigel From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 09:14:38 1994 From: jpappa01@interserv.com Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 20:04:56 -0800 To: Land-Rover-Owner@team.net, LRO-Digest@uk.stratus.com Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Status: RO X-Status: DEFENDER 90 UPDATES: ITS HERE AT LONG LAST!! The GRP H A R D T O P is finally a reality!! It can now be ordered through any authorized dealer. Hard price is not known but around $2,000. It looks GREAT! Official ship date was 11/29. Any bad news? Oh sure. Yes, ANOTHER WAITING LIST. Dealers being RATIONED initially to FIVE tops/month. Better scurry on down now if you want one for this winter! First color ad showing the top is featured in the latest AUTOMOBILE magazine (BMW M3 cover). And in equally exciting news... the (gasp!) ALUMINUM HARDTOP DEFENDER 90 is now in the port and being shipped to dealers... AS WE SPEAK! You think that demand for the DEFENDER 110 was bad? What about 40(!!) aluminum hardtop models!!! Yep. A-bud-ia, bud-ia, bud-ia - that's all, folks! 1 RED, 2 WHITE, and 37 CONNISTON GREEN units. A strategic source has informed me that although NOTHING is FOREVER, that the 40 units is it! Take that for what its worth. FORTY units! And 87 dealers! Guess what? Here we go again, another feeding frenzy! I know who has a deposit on the first unit to be shipped to the local dealership around here (NO - IT IS NOT ME, OK?). I'll blow his cover if he takes delivery of it in THE ROVER REFERENCE. PRICE? N/A. BODY COLOR SIDES, ALPINE WHITE TOP SECTION. GET THIS -- SERIES ONE (ONE!!) UPPER TAILGATE LID!! YES! LR HAD TO DIG UP THE TOOLING FROM SOME PRIVATE CITIZEN IN UK WHO PURCHASED SAME A JILLION YEARS AGO! WOW! I LOVE IT... I hope to scoff a complete photo shoot of the first unit and make the shots available via Club newsletter. Guess what else (decadence, here we come...)? Yes, a POWERED SUBWOOFER/CD CHANGER FOR DEFENDER 90 AS AN ACCESSORY! Which means that DEFENDER 110 owners are LIBERATED as well. Should work via existing head unit in 90/110! 1995 DEFENDER 90 to come with a partial soft top standard in lieu of tonneau cover. No more AIRIES BLUE for `95. BELUGA BLACK to be regular production color instead. That's all I know for now. Nothing on 1995 prices. Shouldn't be too bad since DISCO increase was nominal. Stay tuned. ROVER TIMEOUT. Jim Pappas BSROA jpappa01@interserv.com From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 09:15:52 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Fri, 02 Dec 1994 00:17:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Range Rover owner goes retro To: mikedr@microsoft.com, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"mikedr@microsoft.com" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: Mike sees the light and goes leafsprung... > > Well, inspired in part by you lot, and the sheer funky charm of the > beast, I've gone out and acquired a '71 Series IIA 88", to keep the '92 > Range Rover company. --snip--- > among you. Any words of encouragment or warning about what I should be > watching out for now? Mike... Congrats on your new addition... I'm not from Seattle but I'll add my two cents... 1. Watch those Dualmatic hubs... (They have the bar you pull out and turn, right?? If not, ignore this!) More than one person has said that the bar can pop out by itself and give you assorted problems. 2. If you ever have to top off the brake or clutch fluids.. use CASTROL brake fluid only!! (Unless you converted to silicone.) Some American brake fluids have a nasty habit of destroying the rubber componants in the hydraulic system. Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 09:16:44 1994 Posted-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 21:34:44 -0800 >From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: lro@team.net Subject: riding in back of a Land Rover Reply-To: bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil Date: Thu, 01 Dec 1994 21:34:38 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Status: O X-Status: I've been meaning to send this out all week, but its been one of those weeks.... So last weekend I was driving around the Salton Sea area with friends. We had a diverse collection of vecicles. My Land Rover, a ~91 Jeep Wranger, and older Land Cuiser, a large Chevy pickup (I forget which model) and a dune buggy. We all headed out along some really rough roads. The thing that got me was where the people decided to sit. There were 2 each in the jeep and dune buggy; and one each in the Land Cruiser and Pickup; and 5 in my Land Rover?!? The other 4 were the 16 or 17 year old daughter of the Land Cruise owner and her friends. I still can't believe that all 4 would voluntarily sit in the back while I drove off road. I did have the hardtop off, but the ride in back, especially with two people per jump seat, leaves a lot to be desired. One thing that I did learn on the trip was that if you have P235/75 R15 tyres, and youare driving down some railroad tracks, you can get stuck with the plate that the Ubolts bolt to hung up on one of the rails and the tyres on that side having traction when they are one the ties and free spinning between the ties. Just don't stop... Luckily for me the rail line was an abandoned one... -Benjamin Smith ---------------- Science Applications Internation Corporation China Lake Naval Air Weapons Center bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil 1972 Land Rover Series III 88 From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 09:17:06 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Fri, 02 Dec 1994 01:04:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: waxoyl vs. LPS To: dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO X-Status: Another mystery almost solved.... > From: IN%"dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com" "Russell G. Dushin" 1-DEC-1994 > > > Aliphatic hydrocarbon, petrolium oil, Dipropylene glycol monomethyl > ether > > No need for the chem text, this is basic stuff. Aliphatic hydrocarbons Basic for you maybe... just so much gobbledegook to me.. > could mean lotsa stuff, but here they probably mean a mixture of things > like pentanes, hexanes, heptanes, octanes, nonanes, decanes, etc, > etc....basically all solvents. Petro oil-ahh, lube. Anything from > vasoline to 5 wt and back to wheel bearing grease. Probably a > crude mix taken straight from the hull of a ship. Dipropylene glycol > monomethyl ether.....CH3OCH2CH2CH2OCH2CH2CH2OH, and isomers thereof. Ah,ha... lotsa C's and H's and O's... CH, CH, CHOO CHOO... Howzat? I think I finally understand Russell... you did way too many chemicals... Well anyway.. thanks for your in-debth anaylsis of fine rust inhibitors and hair tonic.. I think we can all rest easier knowing this. (Quick... call the boys down at the state hospital... yeah, yeah, get the one with the funny hair...) Cheers! Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 09:19:47 1994 Posted-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 22:15:56 -0800 >From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: lro@team.net Subject: California Desert Protection Act Reply-To: bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil Date: Thu, 01 Dec 1994 22:15:50 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Status: RO X-Status: A few weeks ago someone asked if I knew anything about this new law that President Clinton signed. At the time I didn't, but now I do so I thought I would pass it on... The is from _Ecological 4 Wheeling_ Dec 1994, Vol IX, No. 9 and the author is Harry Lewellyn. -------include article----------- California Desert Protection Act ================================ The California Desert Protection Act, as recently signed into law by President Clinton "Did not affect the majority of Off-Highway-Vehicle (OHV) areas" according to BLM [Bureau of Land Managment -Ben] officials. There are thousands of miles of designated, Limited Use Routes availible throughout the California Desert District, for street legal 4WD vehicles and motorcycles. Due to the efforts of many OHV organizations, the Act preserved a number of areas popular with the Green Sticker crowd. Green Sticker vehicles are those registered with the California Department of Motor Vehicles, but not legal for highway use. In particular, the majority of the Imperial Dunes, Dumont Dunes, Stoddard and Johnson Valleys, Jawbone/Dove Springs and Spangler Hills areas remain open. The Act changed Death Valley and Joshua Tree National Monuments to National Parks. In addition, it created the 1.4 million-acre Mojave National Preserve where vehicular travel will also be limited to street legal vehicles only. Under BLM definition, the newly created Wilderness areas do not allow motorized or mechanized equipment use. A Wilderness area must be accepted largely on its own terms. Modern facilities for comfort and convenience are excluded. In addition to the BLM OHV areas, California Department of Parks and Recreation, Off-Highway Vehicle Recreation Division, Cliff Glidden explains that the state operates two off-highway vehicle parks in southern California. Ocotillo Wells State Vehicular Recreation Area (SVRA), located in eastern San Diego County, offers more than 40,000 acres of PHV riding opportunites. Use (619) 767-5391 for additional information. Hungry Valley SVRA, located at Tejon Pass near the town of Gorman, has many challenges for all types of OHVs and all levels of experience on the 19,000 acre facility. There are also extensive OHV opportunites in the adjoining Los Padres National Forest. Call (805) 248-7000 for more information on Hungry Valley. --------end article------------- The article also included a map of southern California and showed the areas that are affected and listed a bunch of BLM and National Park Service contacts for more information. From looking at the map: The Mojave National Preserve: take the triangle defined by I-15, I-40 and the California/Nevada border. The Preserve stretches from the I-15 to the I-40 and occupies most of the eastern half of the triangle. The western border of this preserve also has an attached BLM wilderness area (also borders the I-40). So pretty much the eastern 2/3 of this triangle is affected. Also the corner near Needles is BLM Wilderness. The Borders of Joshua Tree and Death Valley I believe are already fairly well defined. Other BLM Wilderness Areas: There is only one area west of the 395/I-15 line and that is up near me in Ridgecrest. It looks like it borders state 395 and state 14 where they meet and extends up into the hills. There are a few small globs of wilderness (3) that exist on the line between Barstow and Ridgecrest. Large chuncks of land ajoining Death Valley are now BLM Wilderness. Define the box of the Nevada/California border, I-15 from the Nevada border to halfway to Barstow, to the South East corner of the Death Valley Nat'l Park, and the Nat'l Park bounday up to where is joins the Nevada border. Most (like 80%) of this land is now Wilderness. Now for the box of I-15 (on the west), I-40 on the north, I-10 on the south and the California boarder on the east. The eastern half of this box is about 50% BLM wilderness (lots of separate chunks--looks like a checker board). The western part of this box is mostly free. There are two chucks of BLM wilderness east of Joshua tree and two chunks East-South-East of Barstow. Next the box of I-15,I-10, I-8 and the California/Arizona border. From About where Joshua Tree Nat'l Park starts to the Arizona border along I-40 (south of) is mostly BLM wilerness. There are a few BLM wilderness along the CA/AZ border. 4 chunks of BLM Wilderness exist north of I-8 about halfway between El Centro and the I-15 and one south of I-8 that extends all the way to the Mexico border. I hope this is mostly clear. (I've been here at work for 13.5 hours and I'm beat) I have the map, so if any of you want a photocopy, drop me email with your snailmail address. -Benjamin Smith ---------------- Science Applications Internation Corporation China Lake Naval Air Weapons Center bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil 1972 Land Rover Series III 88 From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 09:20:21 1994 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 23:00:57 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: lro@stratus.com Subject: Rita, Rita, (Kilo)Metre Maid Cc: sinasohn@netcom.com, sos@mercury.sfsu.edu, babs@uclink2.berkeley.edu Status: O X-Status: A favor to ask... If anyone see's a college girl in a white subaru wagon with straps holding down the bonnet and a ton of stuff, (hopefully) headed east on hwy 80 from Maine to California, Could you sorta make sure she's pointed in the right direction? My sister Rita is supposed to be on her way home from college in Rhode Island (by way of Maine -- it's a horse thing), but we haven't heard from her for a couple of days... No big deal, but my lunatic mother loves to panic, so I thought I'd put a note on the net. BTW, she'll definitely wave back. Thanks in advance! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 09:20:44 1994 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 23:00:54 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: lro@stratus.com Subject: Ascii Rovers Status: O X-Status: Thought I'd do something useful with my time, so I came up with this: .---------------------------------. / ___________________ \ ,|________/ _______________ \________|, | .---. | / \ | .---. | | | | | | |'%,| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ,---, | | | | | | | | | | ,---, `---'\| `---' | `-----------------' | `---' |/'---' ,'-------| ___ |-------`, | | /__,| '%, | | (o) | `---' | (o) | | (o) | .-----. | (o) | |.------.| | O | | | ||INDY 1|| | O O | | | |`------'| `-----' '%, | |________|_____________________|________| ~~~~'----------,_________,----------'~~~~ | \~/ | | \~/ | | \~/ | | \~/ | | \~/ | | \~/ | |_____| |_____| Any thoughts or suggestions? P.S. I have been snagging rovers from .sig's, so if anyone's interested, I could compile them and post them. I'm afraid I've not kept track of the artists, though. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 09:20:52 1994 Via: uk.ac.edinburgh.castle; Fri, 2 Dec 1994 08:26:14 +0000 From: Mr Ian Stuart Organization: Vet-lab,The Univ of Edinburgh To: lro@stratus.com Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 08:26:02 +0000 Subject: Re: Ascii Rovers Reply-To: Ian.Stuart@edinburgh.ac.uk Priority: normal Status: O X-Status: > P.S. I have been snagging rovers from .sig's, so if anyone's interested, I > could compile them and post them. I'm afraid I've not kept track of the > artists, though. Wrap them up and ship it off to the two 'Web sights :-) ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 31 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. WWW sites: Work -- Play -- #======================================================================# I'm not a computing nerd, I'm a computing geek. |Land Rover owners do Geeks are much higher up the evolutionary chain. | it in the mud. From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 09:21:10 1994 Via: uk.ac.edinburgh.castle; Fri, 2 Dec 1994 08:39:38 +0000 From: Mr Ian Stuart Organization: Vet-lab,The Univ of Edinburgh To: lro@stratus.com Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 08:39:09 +0000 Subject: A telly program all about the Land Rover Reply-To: Ian.Stuart@edinburgh.ac.uk Priority: normal Status: O X-Status: Here in the UK one of our motoring programs (Top Gear) recently ran a series called "The Car's the Star". This looked at classic cars, tracing their history and talking to owners, builders and designers. The next series will include the Land Rover (which has been filmed!) Keep an eye out for it... ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 31 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. WWW sites: Work -- Play -- #======================================================================# I'm not a computing nerd, I'm a computing geek. |Land Rover owners do Geeks are much higher up the evolutionary chain. | it in the mud. From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 09:23:06 1994 To: mlist-lro@nntp-server.caltech.edu From: rsrose@cco.caltech.edu (Randolph Rose) Newsgroups: mlist.lro Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Date: 2 Dec 1994 10:03:04 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Status: O X-Status: Well, digest mode has is a pain is that it's hard to respond to only one posting at a time, so I have not chimed in at al when I have wanted to. No problems are boring, but the '57 107 has been doing faithful duty as a daily driver...no big problems for thre years now, knock on wood! Southern Califonia is no winter challenge, (as Ben can probably back up) with temperatures rarely below 40F. Although I would not mind the trips to Salton Sea -- or Death Valley. Some talk of whiches has gone by. The best Winch IMHO, from experience has been a power take off (from the trans where the overdrive is) made by Koenig. You get 4 winch speeds through the trans, control from the cab. I've found control of the winch while sitting in the cab the best, wish I still had my Koenig. I have a hydrolic Rover Winch still to be fitted -- see if it has the same flexibility. I won't forget the time I came upon another 4wd vehicle that had tried to winch another up a slope. Had an elecric winch attached. The load was too much, the winch motor burned out, and it was stuck -- could not go up or douwn. With a PTO winch, I've broken the cable, but I haven't been left stranded attached to another truck, not able to winch in or out... I've found (preffered) the Koenig PTO to be another good choice for another reason: the drum is tall and wide. You don't have to worry about cable binding while winching. FWD hubs: the Fairy hubs with a hex nut on the otside for engage/release have a tendance to slip on hard load - with an un-nerving bang. For the transmission the jumps out of 2nd. If it is a IIa type, been there . Worn 2nd Gear dog mainshaft or slider. Series III trans, probably worn dog on the mainshft gear. Randy on the mainshaft gear. C C C C another up to From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 09:23:16 1994 From: Russell Burns Subject: LRO hard top To: jpappa01@interserv.com Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 3:20:25 PST Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <199412020404.AA02276@interserv.com>; from "jpappa01@interserv.com" at Dec 1, 94 8:04 pm Status: O X-Status: > > DEFENDER 90 UPDATES: > > ITS HERE AT LONG LAST!! The GRP H A R D T O P is finally a reality!! It can > now be ordered through any authorized dealer. Hard price is not known but > around $2,000. It looks GREAT! Official ship date was 11/29. Any bad news? Oh Do you have a Rover part number so I can put my dealership to work? Russ > > From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 09:24:01 1994 From: "Mr T.stevenson" Subject: Re: Freewheeling Hubs To: M.J.Rooth@loughborough.ac.uk (Mike Rooth) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:34:17 +0000 (GMT) Cc: @nsfnet-relay.ac.uk:land-rover-owner@team.net In-Reply-To: <9411291427.AA00966@hpc.lut.ac.uk> from "Mike Rooth" at Nov 29, 94 02:27:16 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 851 Status: O X-Status: When I had a SIII I used to keep the hubs engaged all the time when driving on the island and only disengage them when I went over to the mainland. This was partly to keep the oil/water gloop in the swivels circulating, but mainly because I always hated getting out of the vehicle into ankle deep slurry/mud/water to engage the hubs whenever I needed 4WD. I never used low range without the hubs engaged (except accidentally) even though the SIII had a salisbury rear axle. I must confess though that now I have a 90 I use low range with the diff unlocked quite a lot for maneuvering trailers etc, and for travelling at 1 mph in traffic jams across the Kingston Bridge on the odd excursion to Glasgow. Cheers -- Tom Stevenson: gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk University Marine Biological Station, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland Tel:(0475) 530581 Fax:(0475) 530601 From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 09:25:07 1994 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 1994 09:28:53 EST From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE) To: land-rover-owner@team.net Subject: Discovery Purchase Status: O X-Status: In yesterday's post, I mentioned the possibility of a friend purchasing a Discovery while on vacation in the UK. As Discoveries are in short supply on this side of the pond, and with but one dealership in the various metropolitan areas, its very much an example of the laws of supply and demand, i.e., low supply + high demand = high prices +long waits. Presumably in the UK, vehicle prices would be lower (excluding the V.A.T., of course) because there are more dealers and vehicles and the cost of shipping across an ocean is not involved...or does it not work that way? Over here, another friend just availed himself of the "Auto Locater" service, and on-line computer service that will find any vehicle for you. Specify vehicle, color, options, etc., and the service will locate that vehicle (new or used) at the best price. If unable to locate one, the service will buy it direct from the factory at the *guaranteed* lowest price. With such information in hand, he purchased a new Ford from a local dealer for a mere fraction over the dealer's *actual* cost. No haggling, no hassle, and saved a bundle. Does such a service exist in the UK or are prices so tightly controlled by Solihull that one dealer's list price is the same as another's. Does competition/sales volume ever enter into the equation? Could a direct factory purchase even be made? Inquiring minds want to know. "I'm not saying I'm over the hill, but I got a pretty darned good view of the valley...." *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----* | | | Sandy Grice, Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com FAX: 804-622-7056 | | Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days) 804-423-4898 (Evenings) | | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA | *------------------------------------------------------* From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 09:25:35 1994 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 94 08:02:17 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV To: lro@team.net, Offroad@ai.gtri.gatech.edu Subject: NEED a CD changer for LR Discovery. Status: O X-Status: FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: NEED a CD changer for LR Discovery. HELP!!! I am looking for a CD changer to interface with a '94 Land Rover Discovery. The factory unit ($800) is a Pioneer CDX-M65. I can't find a stereo dealer that lists one, and the closest in any catalog is a '93 model CDX-M6 but is not available to any of their sources. I tried a CDX-M30, but it doesn't communicate with the LR radio "head unit". I'd rather not get an FM modulated (universal fit) unit, but as a last resort.... I'll buy a used one if anyone has one!!! The plug is rectangular with 2 rows of pins, approximately 18 pins. The CDX-M30 had the correct plug, but didn't interface. :( I know there are some stereo experts out there... Please HELP!!! #=====# Never doubt that a small group of individuals |___|__\___ can change the world... indeed, it's the only | _ | |_ | thing that ever has. "(_)""""(_)" -Margaret Mead From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 10:18:33 1994 From: jpappa01@interserv.com Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 20:04:56 -0800 To: Land-Rover-Owner@team.net, LRO-Digest@uk.stratus.com Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Status: O X-Status: DEFENDER 90 UPDATES: ITS HERE AT LONG LAST!! The GRP H A R D T O P is finally a reality!! It can now be ordered through any authorized dealer. Hard price is not known but around $2,000. It looks GREAT! Official ship date was 11/29. Any bad news? Oh sure. Yes, ANOTHER WAITING LIST. Dealers being RATIONED initially to FIVE tops/month. Better scurry on down now if you want one for this winter! First color ad showing the top is featured in the latest AUTOMOBILE magazine (BMW M3 cover). And in equally exciting news... the (gasp!) ALUMINUM HARDTOP DEFENDER 90 is now in the port and being shipped to dealers... AS WE SPEAK! You think that demand for the DEFENDER 110 was bad? What about 40(!!) aluminum hardtop models!!! Yep. A-bud-ia, bud-ia, bud-ia - that's all, folks! 1 RED, 2 WHITE, and 37 CONNISTON GREEN units. A strategic source has informed me that although NOTHING is FOREVER, that the 40 units is it! Take that for what its worth. FORTY units! And 87 dealers! Guess what? Here we go again, another feeding frenzy! I know who has a deposit on the first unit to be shipped to the local dealership around here (NO - IT IS NOT ME, OK?). I'll blow his cover if he takes delivery of it in THE ROVER REFERENCE. PRICE? N/A. BODY COLOR SIDES, ALPINE WHITE TOP SECTION. GET THIS -- SERIES ONE (ONE!!) UPPER TAILGATE LID!! YES! LR HAD TO DIG UP THE TOOLING FROM SOME PRIVATE CITIZEN IN UK WHO PURCHASED SAME A JILLION YEARS AGO! WOW! I LOVE IT... I hope to scoff a complete photo shoot of the first unit and make the shots available via Club newsletter. Guess what else (decadence, here we come...)? Yes, a POWERED SUBWOOFER/CD CHANGER FOR DEFENDER 90 AS AN ACCESSORY! Which means that DEFENDER 110 owners are LIBERATED as well. Should work via existing head unit in 90/110! 1995 DEFENDER 90 to come with a partial soft top standard in lieu of tonneau cover. No more AIRIES BLUE for `95. BELUGA BLACK to be regular production color instead. That's all I know for now. Nothing on 1995 prices. Shouldn't be too bad since DISCO increase was nominal. Stay tuned. ROVER TIMEOUT. Jim Pappas BSROA jpappa01@interserv.com From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 13:45:09 1994 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 08:48:44 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Reply-To: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com, morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU, Morgan@apple.com, Hannaford@apple.com, lro@team.net Subject: Re: waxoyl vs. LPS Status: RO X-Status: In message <199412020048.TAA04925@transfer.stratus.com> "Russell G. Dushin" writes: > > I then spoke with an information specialist here at work...a library > dude. He said that the composition was probably a trade secret, and > suggested the best he or I would come up with would be to find out > who makes the stuff...and we already know that. He then went on to > tell a story about his grad school advisor that got so hung up on > the composition of a gas additive (that he couldn't find out from > the patent literature) that he had one of his students inject the > stuff into a gc.....they basically watched peak after peak come > off for the rest of the day. I don't think I'll be injecting > any waxoyl into my gc. > > > rd/nigel > > So contact Moss and ask for a MSDS for Waxol. You might get some better hints as to what's inside, if you can use it as a gravy thickner or hair wax. TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 13:46:03 1994 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 09:38:36 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Reply-To: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV, lro@team.net, Offroad@ai.gtri.gatech.edu Subject: Re: NEED a CD changer for LR Discovery. Status: RO X-Status: In message <199412021503.KAA10277@transfer.stratus.com> writes: > FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov > Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics > PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 > SUBJECT: NEED a CD changer for LR Discovery. > HELP!!! I am looking for a CD changer to interface with a '94 Land Rover > Discovery. The factory unit ($800) is a Pioneer CDX-M65. I can't find a > stereo dealer that lists one, and the closest in any catalog is a '93 > model CDX-M6 but is not available to any of their sources. I tried a > CDX-M30, but it doesn't communicate with the LR radio "head unit". I'd > rather not get an FM modulated (universal fit) unit, but as a last > resort.... I'll buy a used one if anyone has one!!! > > The plug is rectangular with 2 rows of pins, approximately 18 pins. The > CDX-M30 had the correct plug, but didn't interface. :( Thanks for the discription of the LR head unit. I've been toying with the concept of putting a radio in a Land Rover. The concept requires a major paradigm shift. But as I get older, I tend to like luxuries a little more, and maybe a radio could be nice company. Now that I know what to look for, I just might spring for one to put in my 109. The big question of course is if I should get one with a tape player or just a radio. I'm afraid that the off road dust could jam up a tape player & cause scratches on tapes. I would have to find a place to put it where it wouldn't get soaked when I clean out the interior with a garden hose. You say the factory used a Japanese radio. Well I guess I'm not suprised. I just picked up a pair of unipart U joints for the TR3. The Unipart label said made in Japan. > I know there are some stereo experts out there... Please HELP!!! Stereo... Thats a thought. In a Land Rover yet? What will they think of next? :*) with appologies to David, but I couldn't help myself ;^) (I wave at Discoverys) TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 13:46:10 1994 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 10:11:59 PST From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn) To: LRO-Digest@uk.stratus.com, Land-Rover-Owner@team.net, jpappa01@interserv.com Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Status: O X-Status: CD changers are great, but when are they going to give us such a basic amenity as an armrest on the door? John Brabyn From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 13:46:23 1994 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 10:11:59 PST From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn) To: LRO-Digest@uk.stratus.com, Land-Rover-Owner@team.net, jpappa01@interserv.com Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Status: O X-Status: CD changers are great, but when are they going to give us such a basic amenity as an armrest on the door? John Brabyn From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 13:48:00 1994 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 10:24:03 -0800 (PST) From: Morgan Hannaford To: lro@team.net Subject: LPS and underwater Disco Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I don't want to sound like I'm pushing this LPS 3 thing, I just wanted to see if it was similar to this waxoyl stuff. BUT, if you saw photos of the last Transylvania Trophy in LRO or Off-Road 4wheel drive magazines, the ex Camel Discovery that is sunk half-way up the windscreen has a big LPS sponsor/advert. label on the back-side window. If LPS 3 helps reduce corrosion after this kind of activity, I'll buy the 55 gal. drum. Screw it!!!! If any executives from LPS read this, offer me a job, quick, I'm on a roll!!!! Morgan H. ecology grad student at Cal., but willing to work in industry if my company car is a new Land-Rover. please? From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 13:48:57 1994 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 94 11:27:11 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV To: lro@team.net Subject: Thanks TeriAnn... I wave at ALL Land Rovers! Status: O X-Status: FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: Thanks TeriAnn... I wave at ALL Land Rovers! Thanks TeriAnn! I DO appreciate your humor, as well as your driving a 109. My 15 yr old son has become interested in 4WD vehicles as of late, and before I got my Disco, he wanted a (gulp, get ready,) "Jeep Wrangler". (What can I say... he's just a kid!) Well, as fate would have it, he IS maturing. He can identify a LR from about 1/2 mile away, and is CONSTANTLY pointing out ANY that I happen not to mention as we drive around. He even identifies Hella lights from an AMAZING distance. (I REALLY must get my glasses/eyes checked!) Lately, he is asking a lot of questions about the series trucks, and is starting to want one of those, rather than the "ugh! Jeep"! (There IS a God!!!) I too, would like an old 88 or 109 someday, that I can get rough and totally rowdy with, and just hose it out when done, and keep the Disco for my daily driver, and dates. (I AM single, but don't wish to remain in this condition. ;) ) Only 71 more payments, and the Disco's mine! :{ Oh yeah... I wave at ALL Land Rovers! Sometimes the "Rangie's" don't wave back, and I VERY RARELY see a "series" rover around the Phoenix Arizona area. :( TeriAnn, I'm glad you're there, and didn't leave when you threatened to many months back! Dave Brown - '94 Disco - Phoenix AZ. USA (Single, looking for a "Roverette") #=====# Never doubt that a small group of individuals |___|__\___ can change the world... indeed, it's the only | _ | |_ | thing that ever has. "(_)""""(_)" -Margaret Mead From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 13:49:30 1994 X-Authentication-Warning: tornadic.sw.stratus.com: Host localhost.stratus.com didn't use HELO protocol To: lro@team.net Cc: Chrisste@cerf.net (Chris Stevens) Subject: Re: Rover Pix Are Great In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 01 Dec 94 14:45:09 EST." <199412011942.LAA09031@nic.cerf.net> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 94 13:37:51 -0500 From: William Caloccia Status: O X-Status: Ok, you folks in the US, if you're somewhere between Albany, NY and Baltimore, MD, and see a blue+limestone S.IIa 88" with temporary tags, give a big wave (or a hand :-) to Chris Stevens, as he is headed south with what used to be mine. [And hopefully for both him and I, there won't be any stories about it, unless he tries to get home by going off-road :-) ] Chris, I reckon this could go on your .sig now :-) R 1 3 2 H "Land Rover's first, becuase +--|--| | | Land Rovers last." 2 4 4 L '69 S.IIa 88" Cheers, --bill caloccia@Team.Net caloccia@Stratus.Com 1 3 dl OD L "Land Rover's first, becuase |--|--+ o | | Land Rovers last." 2 4 R N H '72 Range Rover ++ ('69 S.IIa 88")-- PS There is still a rather well, used, XR4Ti back in upstate NY that I'd like to sell, though I don't reckon anyone on this list would be keen on it. From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 13:49:40 1994 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 13:47:01 -0500 (EST) From: Jon Humphrey To: lro@team.net, Morgan Hannaford Subject: Re: LPS and underwater Disco In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: Morgan sez; > >Screw it!!!! If any executives from LPS read this, offer me a job, quick, >I'm on a roll!!!! > >Morgan H. >ecology grad student at Cal., but willing >to work in industry if my company car >is a new Land-Rover. please? Morgan, are you sure you want to live and reside in beautiful Tucker, Georgia? Just a thought Jon From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 13:50:04 1994 From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: Re: To: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 14:03:53 -0500 (EST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9412021811.AA16704@skivs.ski.org> from "John Brabyn" at Dec 2, 94 10:11:59 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 641 Status: O X-Status: > CD changers are great, but when are they going to give us such a basic > amenity as an armrest on the door? ??? The '64 109 of mine has armrests on the door. I just worry that adding the CD changer will cause strange problems. Having a positive earth vehicle where everything is reversed, the one and zero's on the CD platter are going to get played back the opposite way. I get the suspicion that the end result won't be much different than when I convinced Dale that the Microsoft NT/SQL CD sounded real cool and had him put it in his CD player to play as romantic music when his new girlfriend was over. Rgds, Dixon From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 13:50:25 1994 From: "Rostykus, John" To: LRO List Subject: RE: Range Rover owner goes retro Date: Fri, 02 Dec 94 11:30:00 PST Encoding: 17 TEXT Status: O X-Status: Sorry about the noise folks, but my mailer eats return addresses. (I really appreciate the folks who list their names and e-mail addresses in their posts!) To the new LR owner in Seattle, who writes: >... Any words of encouragment or warning about what I should be >watching out for now? Any Seattle-area folks willing to provide >hands-on advice to a novice owner? I live in the Seattle area, and would like to get in touch with you. There are quite a number of LR's in the area, and an active local club. In fact, the annual snow run/holiday party is tomorrow (Sat. Dec. 3rd.). This is a great chance to meet people. John Rostykus john@data-io.com From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 14:24:01 1994 From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: MSDS, Healy catalogs To: twakeman@apple.com ("TeriAnn Wakeman" ) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 14:56:20 EST Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: <9412021648.AA24003@apple.com>; from "TeriAnn Wakeman" at Dec 2, 94 8:48 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.36.1.1] Status: O X-Status: > So contact Moss and ask for a MSDS for Waxol. You might get some better hints > as to what's inside, if you can use it as a gravy thickner or hair wax. > > > TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world > twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards Great idea, but it didn't work...they ain't got the MSDS (material safety data sheet....the one that *would* have told me not to taste it), and the MSDSes that I can search on line from here at work don't list waxoyl either (but it is a limited subset of MSDSes). As per the austin healey catalog....I asked them about it and they said there were two (one for the sprite, one for the "big" healeys). Which models share the common electrical components with rovers?? thanks, rd From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 14:26:20 1994 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 1994 13:42:34 EST From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE) To: land-rover-owner@team.net Subject: Pass the Donners, please... Status: O X-Status: Bill Maloney asks about making passes...particualrly the Donner. Donner Pass (the Sierra Nevada summit in California for our overseas members) is basically a straight shot on Interstate 80. It's the weather that makes the run interesting. (For non-American readers, the pass was named for the Donner party, a group of California-bound settlers that got trapped here in October of 1850[?], the snowiest winter of the century. Forced into cannibalism to survive, most of the men died but the women survived.) On each of my three times through, in blizzards each time and once just before it closed (we got two feet of "Sierra cement" that night), the Rover was waved through the chain-law check point without even having to slow down. Smugglers' Notch in Vermont is *very* tight and twisty at the top where one lane slaloms through house-sized boulders. I've skied it, but it is physically blocked (chained) to keep fools off it in winter. The Stowe side is the steep one. Hazen's Notch further north in Vermont was a challenge. Not blocked off, we made it to the summit from the north side before turning around as daylight was fading and the temperature was already below zero. For thrills, try Teton Pass in winter, where avalanches add an extra measure of excitement...or how about the "seven sisters" of Loveland Pass? Nothing like standing on your roof racks and *still* not being able to see over the roadside snowbanks. You have excellent traction in dry, untracked snow: I've plowed (downhill, mind you) through 50 yards of bonnet-deep powder drifts far from the highway and once, with urging from the back seat passengers (*always* a dangerous situation), blasted through a roof-high solitary drift (kinda like a tiny Sarahan sief dune) that formed in an otherwise cleared parking lot at the Jay Peak ski area in Vermont. Looking at the hole afterwards "...say, there coulda been a VW in there...." However, in *wet* snow, no can move when it's deeper that the diffs...and when you get stuck with chains on all four wheels, you are *stuck*. *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----* | | | Sandy Grice, Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com FAX: 804-622-7056 | | Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days) 804-423-4898 (Evenings) | | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA | *------------------------------------------------------* From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 14:26:27 1994 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 12:10:54 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Reply-To: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: brabyn@skivs.ski.org, LRO-Digest@uk.stratus.com, Land-Rover-Owner@team.net, jpappa01@interserv.com Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Status: O X-Status: In message <9412021811.AA16704@skivs.ski.org> John Brabyn writes: > CD changers are great, but when are they going to give us such a basic > amenity as an armrest on the door? > > John Brabyn ?????????????????????????? My Land Rover came with arm rests in the door. I thought they all did TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 14:26:32 1994 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 12:10:54 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Reply-To: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: brabyn@skivs.ski.org, LRO-Digest@uk.stratus.com, Land-Rover-Owner@team.net, jpappa01@interserv.com Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Status: O X-Status: In message <9412021811.AA16704@skivs.ski.org> John Brabyn writes: > CD changers are great, but when are they going to give us such a basic > amenity as an armrest on the door? > > John Brabyn ?????????????????????????? My Land Rover came with arm rests in the door. I thought they all did TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 14:26:46 1994 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 15:17:57 -0500 (EST) From: Harry Greenspun To: DEBROWN@srp.gov Cc: lro@team.net, Offroad@ai.gtri.gatech.edu Subject: Re: NEED a CD changer for LR Discovery. In-Reply-To: <199412021503.KAA10277@transfer.stratus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 402 Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 2 Dec 1994 DEBROWN@SRP.GOV wrote: > SUBJECT: NEED a CD changer for LR Discovery. > HELP!!! I am looking for a CD changer to interface with a '94 Land Rover > Discovery. Rovers North, Atlantic-British, etc., are all selling the changer for between $500-$600. Installation involves opening the box, placing it under the seat, tightening the screws, then plugging in the harness. Harry From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 15:48:33 1994 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:31:05 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Roger Sinasohn From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool) Subject: RE: Ascii Rovers Cc: lro@team.net Status: O X-Status: Uncle Roger thought he'd do something useful with my time, so I came up with a Land-Rover sketch comprised of keyboard characters; I have revised as follows: .---------------------------------. / ___________________ \ ,|________/ _______________ \________|, | .---. | / \ | .---. | | | | | | |'%,| | | | | | | | | | | | | ,---, | | | | | | | | | | ,---, `---'\| `---' | `-----------------' | `---' |/'---' ,'=======| ___ |=======`, |(o) | /__,| '%, (o)| |(o) | `---' _____ | (o)| |.------.| | O | | || ||INDY 1|| | O O | | (GB) || |`------'| `-----' '%, || ||_______|_____________________|_______|| \ ( ) | _ | / \~~~~'----------,|'-'|----,------'~~~~/ |\\~//|_~~~~~~~~~'~~~.___/~~~~~_|\\~//| |\\~//| |\\~//| |\\~//| |\\~//| |_\_/_| |_\_/_| And, I gotta say, I admire and applaud your work! Improving or enhancing it was a lot harder than it looked! I have tried stuff like this before and given up. Nice, work, really. And certainly a valuable use of your time. Do you really have three door hinges? Mrs. Gord'n Perrott, dba Stephanie Cushing, had that set-up and used the two bottom ones with a normal old-style Land-Rover tailgate for a side hinged setup, using only one of the normal old-style tailgate catches on the left side. Really slick, simple, and out of the used parts bin. Do you take your top off and use a tailgate similarly? >P.S. I have been snagging rovers from .sig's, so if anyone's interested, I >could compile them and post them. I'm afraid I've not kept track of the >artists, though. Yeah, Rog, I would like some. Before you send stuff, though, let's discuss. Don't want you to send stuff I won't use. Nice of you to offer, though. Also thanks for your helping Jason with the tires. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ] [ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ] From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 15:49:09 1994 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:30:41 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mike Dryfoos From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool) Subject: RE: Range Rover owner goes retro Cc: lro@team.net Status: O X-Status: Mike, you wrote (in part): >I don't have a lot of experience with automotive mechanics, so this is >going to be a big learning experience for me. I figured with the old >Rover's reputation as an easy-to-work-on vehicle, this would be a good >place to start. I'm sure I'll have lots of questions for the old hands >among you. Any words of encouragment or warning about what I should be >watching out for now? Any Seattle-area folks willing to provide >hands-on advice to a novice owner? Congratulations on your purchase! Sounds like a good one. A couple of folks in the Seattle area you should connect with, especially Gord'n Perrott. He really knows his Land-Rovers and is a hell of a fellow. I don't have his phone number handy (surely listed); his address is 10537 Interlake Ave. N., Seattle 98133. Another is Benjamin Freeman who is on this list(or was--haven't heard from him in a while), his email address is . Benjamin can also tell you how to reach Gord'n. Gord'n can also tell you about getting into the really great Land-Rover club they have in that part of the country. If you have problems contacting these fellows, let me know. I advise you to avoid Charles Kellogg Northwest Land-Rover Company or some such dba. Other Land-Rover owners in the area will be glad to tell you about their horrifying experiences with Kellogg the corn flake. On the other hand, I have heard only good things about Doug Shipman in Portland, OR. Another Net-Rover commented on the problems with the Dual-Matic hubs and I would second that. I have previously posted a description of my grief with Dual- Matics so won't repeat it here as I am copying this to the list. But email me directly if you want a repeat of the details. Have fun! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ] [ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ] From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 15:49:23 1994 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 13:22:02 PST From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn) To: LRO-Digest@uk.stratus.com, Land-Rover-Owner@team.net, brabyn@skivs.ski.org, jpappa01@interserv.com, twakeman@apple.com Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Status: O X-Status: My somewhat facetious remark about armrests was based on looking at the new Defender 90's which don't appear to have them! John Brabyn From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 15:49:32 1994 From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: Re: Ascii Rovers To: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:42:02 -0500 (EST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <199412022031.MAA28437@pacific.pacific.net> from "Granville Pool" at Dec 2, 94 12:31:05 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 319 Status: O X-Status: > And, I gotta say, I admire and applaud your work! Improving or enhancing it Well, it looks to be a hybrid of some sort. While it has late IIA/III mirrors, it has the earlier taillamps. There is also an extra door hinge which shouldn't be there if it is to be original. An excellent attempt... :-) Rgds, From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 17:08:50 1994 From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: Re: MSDS, Healy catalogs To: dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com (Russell G. Dushin) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:45:20 -0500 (EST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <199412021955.OAA00610@transfer.stratus.com> from "Russell G. Dushin" at Dec 2, 94 02:56:20 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 282 Status: O X-Status: > As per the austin healey catalog....I asked them about it and they > said there were two (one for the sprite, one for the "big" healeys). > Which models share the common electrical components with rovers?? Healy 3000 used the same taillight assemblies as the early NA stuff. From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 2 17:08:55 1994 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 13:22:02 PST From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn) To: LRO-Digest@uk.stratus.com, Land-Rover-Owner@team.net, brabyn@skivs.ski.org, jpappa01@interserv.com, twakeman@apple.com Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Status: O X-Status: My somewhat facetious remark about armrests was based on looking at the new Defender 90's which don't appear to have them! John Brabyn From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 09:49:19 1994 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:21:57 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: lro@team.net From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool) Subject: Electric Land-Rovers Status: O X-Status: Fellow Net-Rovers: Yesterday, I recieved a nice color postcard in the mail. What was the picture? It was a beautiful properdarkgreen 1971 Land-Rover 88, topless, and engineless. But not motorless. This gorgeous creation of Wilde EVolutions, P.O. Box 938, Jerome, AZ 86331 Phone 1-800-FAST-EVs, is an electric-powered Land-Rover which retains the stock transmission and transfer case and, of course, four-wheel drive. Wilde Evolutions also sent me a copy of an article, just published, from the Winter 1994 issue of _Electric_Car_ magazine. It may still be on the newsstands, although I have looked and couldn't find it in my hodunk town (no great surpize, that). In the article is a photo of the Land-Rover off-roading in Arizona (in Coconino National Forest), as well as a shot of an electified Mazda RX-7, doing a wheelie. Really. How did I hear about Wilde EVolutions? It's a funny thing. They appeared here (in Ukiah, CA) at a solar/alternative energy fair and I had intended to attend but didn't (events intervened, including some Land-Rover stuff). My neighbor was actually involved in the fair but didn't mention the Land-Rover to me. I saw an ad in the Santa Rosa paper for a BMW engine I needed (don't we all, nowadays?) and called about it. In conversation with the guy who was selling the engine, Land-Rovers somehow came up (funny) and he told me about the electric one at the fair and he remembered their phone number (because it's so catchy). Go figure. I hope to hear more from these folks and get them on the list (they are on the Internet but I don't yet have their email address). More later... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ] [ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ] From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 09:50:35 1994 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 17:19:28 -0800 To: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool) From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell) Subject: Re: Electric Land-Rovers Cc: lro@team.net Status: O X-Status: Granville, >Wilde Evolutions also sent me a copy of an article, just published, from the >Winter 1994 issue of _Electric_Car_ magazine. It may still be on the >newsstands, although I have looked and couldn't find it in my hodunk town >(no great surpize, that). In the article is a photo of the Land-Rover >off-roading in Arizona (in Coconino National Forest), as well as a shot of >an electified Mazda RX-7, doing a wheelie. Really. I read the article.. and have access to the magazine (friend's copy). That magazine is difficult to find even in major cities (recent point of discussion on the EV mailing list). >How did I hear about Wilde EVolutions? It's a funny thing. They appeared >here (in Ukiah, CA) at a solar/alternative energy fair and I had intended to >attend but didn't (events intervened, including some Land-Rover stuff). My >neighbor was actually involved in the fair but didn't mention the Land-Rover >to me. I saw an ad in the Santa Rosa paper for a BMW engine I needed (don't >we all, nowadays?) and called about it. In conversation with the guy who >was selling the engine, Land-Rovers somehow came up (funny) and he told me >about the electric one at the fair and he remembered their phone number >(because it's so catchy). Go figure. The RX-7 is using a 1000 amp DC-brushful motor controllerdesigned/built by a guy I just worked for building its successor (I did the firmware). The RX7 controller was recently destroyed in an operator-error situation, and is sitting in Palo Alto waiting to be rebuilt (if it's the one I think it is, I fabricated some parts for it the other night :). There is also a picture of that electric same rover (at least I think it's the same) in Home Power magazine last month. In Palo Alto, there is a ground-up electric racing vehicle utilizing 2 of the 1000 amp controllers. The car (SnoWhite) races autocross and goes well over 100mph (I'd guess it can hit 130-150 and the 0-60 acceleration is outrageous.. something like 3 seconds?!?!). I hope to drive this car soon. I think I put ("Uncle") Roger in touch with the owner of the EV rover (he is also a friend of the guy I was just doing EV work for). Roger has his contract info, etc... >I hope to hear more from these folks and get them on the list (they are on >the Internet but I don't yet have their email address). More later... Sounds good. I just my info from Foers today (I'd sent him a letter). As anticipated, I like his stuff, and would be interested in collaborating with you on a (legal) importation scheme (although I wonder what changes are going to be made to the "new" IBEX). I would still love to see the article you mentioned as well (I just got a brief letter and the offical rundown of the "old" IBEX... with a promise of details on the new when available). Althoug I am most interested in the 100" wheelbase model, the takeoff/departure angles on the 90 were ridiculously appealing! later, -jory From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 09:50:59 1994 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 19:06:22 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: lro@team.net Subject: Re: Imposing Winch & Starter Problems Status: O X-Status: > >I received the Rovers North Newsletter today, and noticed a familiar name >from this list had the "most imposing winch". (Dixon Kenner) Very nice! > >Now, in my rover, I seem to have a problem with my starter coming loose >all the time, and jamming into my flywheel resulting in me having to >remove the starter and put it back on every few days to correct the >problem. This is slightly inconvienient, and getting tiresome. >Actually, this is more than slightly inconvenient, it is very very very >annoying. Why am I plagued with this problem?? > > >Hal A. Lightwood 1972 SERIII 88" Maybe because you were a bad boy? (Remember the time you told your folks you got a flat tire on the way home from the computer club meeting, but in reality you were out *drinking* and playing Robotron? oh wait. That was me. Never mind.) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 09:51:12 1994 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 19:06:44 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: lro@team.net Subject: Re: Range Rover owner goes retro Status: O X-Status: >I don't have a lot of experience with automotive mechanics, so this is >going to be a big learning experience for me. I figured with the old >Rover's reputation as an easy-to-work-on vehicle, this would be a good >place to start. I'm sure I'll have lots of questions for the old hands >among you. Any words of encouragment or warning about what I should be >watching out for now? Any Seattle-area folks willing to provide >hands-on advice to a novice owner? Well, if I can work on it, anyone can. (well, with the possible exception of my mother.) Anyway, things are simple, and if you've done any working on your car, you can handle it. Good luck, and congratulations! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 09:51:18 1994 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 19:06:50 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: sinasohn@crl.com, lro@stratus.com Subject: Re: Rita, Rita, (Kilo)Metre Maid Cc: sinasohn@netcom.com, sos@mercury.sfsu.edu, babs@uclink2.berkeley.edu Status: O X-Status: >My sister Rita is supposed to be on her way home from college in Rhode >Island (by way of Maine -- it's a horse thing), but we haven't heard from >her for a couple of days... No big deal, but my lunatic mother loves to >panic, so I thought I'd put a note on the net. Well, it turns out she's goofing off with a friend somewhere in New York. Sorry for the trouble! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 09:51:30 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Fri, 02 Dec 1994 23:10:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Rita, Rita, (Kilo)Metre Maid To: sinasohn@crl.com, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"sinasohn@crl.com" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: So Roger... this east-west mixed up thing runs in the family, eh? Roger sez... > A favor to ask... If anyone see's a college girl in a white subaru wagon > with straps holding down the bonnet and a ton of stuff, (hopefully) headed > east on hwy 80 from Maine to California, Could you sorta make sure she's > pointed in the right direction? If she's heading EAST on 80 we'll be sure to get her turned around!! Cheers ;-) Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 09:51:54 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Fri, 02 Dec 1994 23:10:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: REDLINE FOR A 2/14 PETROL IN A 1971 To: wz@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"wz@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: Wade worries about over-revving and asks... > does any one know what the red line setting should be at on a 2 1/4 > petrol engine in a 1971 IIa 88", if it matters I have 30x9.50x15" tires > with no overdrive (but I wish I did) I took a look in the old crusty Haynes manual.. didn't see anything like "maximum" but it does say "BHP at 4,250 rpm" and "Piston speed at 4,280 rpm". That sounds pretty fast to me for an engine with connecting rod clearances you measure with your fingers... :) Any faster and the pistons will be screaming "let us out! let us out!". You got a tach?? What's it sound like at 4250??? Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 09:52:22 1994 Date: Sat, 03 Dec 1994 07:39:13 -0600 (CST) From: "Michael H. Ramage" Subject: 109 Sw To: lro@stratus.com X-Envelope-To: lro@stratus.com X-Vms-To: LANDROVER Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: I have a 109 station wagon for sale, 1967 with chevy six. The frame is solid but rusty, lots of neww mechanicals etc. E-mail me directly with an offer (all offers considered) or request for more info Ramagem@carleton.edu Michael Ramage (THe truck is in New York State, by the way) From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 09:52:44 1994 Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 14:54:07 GMT From: venters@atm.ox.ac.uk (Peter Venters - Tel. [+44] (0)1865 272920) To: lro@atm.ox.ac.uk Subject: Series One upper tailgates Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 1 Dec 1994 20:04:56 jpappa01@interserv.com wrote, re: DEFENDER 90 UPDATES: ... And in equally exciting news... the (gasp!) ALUMINUM HARDTOP DEFENDER 90 is now in the port and being shipped to dealers... PRICE? N/A. BODY COLOR SIDES, ALPINE WHITE TOP SECTION. GET THIS -- SERIES ONE (ONE!!) UPPER TAILGATE LID!! YES! LR HAD TO DIG UP THE TOOLING FROM SOME PRIVATE CITIZEN IN UK WHO PURCHASED SAME A JILLION YEARS AGO! WOW! I LOVE IT... ... Does anybody know about production of Series One upper tailgates - are they really making them again - and if so are they available in the UK for anything less than the price of a night at the Ritz? Peter PS My Series One doesn't have any armrests. From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 09:52:56 1994 Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 08:40:19 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Sinasohn Subject: Re: Rita, Rita, (Kilo)Metre Maid -FOUND!!!! To: Roger Sinasohn Cc: lro@stratus.com, sos@mercury.sfsu.edu, babs@uclink2.berkeley.edu In-Reply-To: <199412020700.AA22206@crl10.crl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: She's been located, staying with her friend Amy in New York. She forgot to call us, she was having too much fun. She will be continually reminded that her family and friends were worried, until she agrees not to forget again. This may take several years. Thank you all for your concern and assistance. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Sinasohn sinasohn@netcom.com CAL '80 Bass and Business Mgr - Richter Scale, the No-Fault Acappella group Motto: There's a fine line between a groove and a rut!! Where are YOU?! On Thu, 1 Dec 1994, Roger Sinasohn wrote: > A favor to ask... If anyone see's a college girl in a white subaru wagon > with straps holding down the bonnet and a ton of stuff, (hopefully) headed > east on hwy 80 from Maine to California, Could you sorta make sure she's > pointed in the right direction? > > My sister Rita is supposed to be on her way home from college in Rhode Island > (by way of Maine -- it's a horse thing), but we haven't heard from her for a > couple of days... No big deal, but my lunatic mother loves to panic, so I > thought I'd put a note on the net. > > BTW, she'll definitely wave back. > > Thanks in advance! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad > sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." > Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates > San Francisco, California > > From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 09:53:26 1994 Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 09:48:54 -0800 (PST) From: James B Russell Subject: LPS To: Land-Rover-Owner@Team.net In-Reply-To: <199412030755.HAA29253@chunnel.uk.stratus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I have used LPS-3 for years and like it. I know a lot of seaplane owners use it -- particularly those who splash down in salt water from time to time such as in Puget Sound. Don't know how it compairs with Waxoyl though. One thing, be sure to get the LPS-3. They also make LPS-1, a very light weight stuff, LPS-2, kind of like WD40, and then LPS-3. I also like their Instant Cold Galvanize, basically a zinc rich primer, but be sure to shake it very, very well and then shake it some more since it can clog up quite easily. And not just the nozzle, the tube inside the can gets blocked and you end up with a nearly full can of stuff you cant get out. Jim Russell ==== jrussell@netcom.com (Seattle -- San Francisco) From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 09:54:58 1994 From: mtalbot@interserv.com Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 13:10:09 -0800 To: Land-Rover-Owner@team.net Subject: Re: Hybrids Status: O X-Status: All, A few days ago someone posted a message about Hybrids. Just wanted to share what I'm doing to one of my 88's I basically want a Defender 90, but as usual, can't seem to convince the wife that $30K + for one is a good idea. So, I bought another 88, 73 SIII. Good body frame really shot, no not the Vinalhaven rover, another one from Maine. My plans are as follows : Arrow Service in the UK are building a SIII coil sprung chassis with used 90 axles, Range Rover diffs, Range Rover 5 speed gearbox mated to a RR V8 (Carb). >From this I will mount a SIII bulkhead (currently under repair by me). Arrow are going to supply D90 doors, D90 front end, grille, bonnet. From there they are going to ship to me. Total cost, $5,500. Once here I will mount the bulkhead, and start building up from the parts I have from my SIII. Those that want to look for D90 chassis here can forget it, they don't exist. I did read that the east coast rover co were advertising coil sprung chassis for $6,000 !!! Total cost for me to get this chassis with engine and box, and fit parts from my SIII. Approx $6,500. I think that is a great bargin and certainly is cheaper then a new D90 !!! Hey, I could get four of them at those prices. Mark From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 09:55:50 1994 Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 18:47:39 -0600 (CST) From: David John Place To: LANDROVER@delphi.com Cc: morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU, lro@team.net Subject: Re: Waxoyl equivalents? In-Reply-To: <01HK2CX5KBZQ91WMCV@delphi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: I have been using LPS for many years now. It has a very interesting ability to climb up inside the doors of old vehicles. You spray it into the doors like rustproofing and a few days later it will appear up near the top. I like it because it is only about $25.00 per gallon in Canada, and it replaces WD40 in my shop at a much lower cost. I buy it from machine shop supply houses up here in Manitoba. It comes in a Blue plastic jug. The jug says general purpose lub, penetrating, water replacing. It protects up to 1 year. It is made by Holt Lloyd Corp of Tucker Georgia 30084. It was worth reading the label. In 15 years, I never noticed you were to shake well before applying. I guess the bottom half of the product I have out there is going to do a real great job! For the most part it is WD40 and is used exactly the same way. If you figure out the cost of the spray tins vs the gallon of LPS, you will always buy LPS as I do and use a hairspray bottle to apply it to nusts and bolts etc. I hope this helps. Dave VE4PN From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 09:56:21 1994 Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 18:22:43 -0600 (CST) From: David John Place To: Andrew Steele Cc: lro@stratus.com Subject: Re: Series II or III frame dimension for snow plow In-Reply-To: <9411290053.AA12586@dayton.wright.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: I have had 3 snow plows on my 88 type LRs and I found that if you didn't use the undercarriage part, the plow was too close to the vehicle and you couldn't articulate it left and right. If you use a simple A shaped part from the undercarriage to the plow I found you could attach it to the springs themselves with a 1/2 inch thick steel block with two short extensions into which you put a large agricultural "D" ring pin. This made a nice quick disconnect arrangement. I have used hydraulic lifting and angle slaves on mine, but the last one worked well using the winch with a short "A" frame over the bumper to give a bit o height for the lift. I just looked in the Haynes manual page 164. It lists the distance from the outside of the frame to the opposite outside as 787 mm or 31.0 inches. I hope that is of some use to you. Dave VE4PN From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 09:57:24 1994 Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 20:11:11 -0600 (CST) From: David John Place To: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> Cc: lro Subject: Re: 2nd Gear pops out In-Reply-To: <941130124608_100043.2400_EHK26-2@CompuServe.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I have had the same problem with my 2nd gear and I solved it for the most part by making the detent spring which presses against the detent ball longer. These balls are the ones which are on the top, the left and the right of the gearbox case and have an "L" shaped piece of black metal over them with a rubber washer between the spring and the metal. They just push a ball bearing into a detent mark on the shift shafts that you move when you shift gears. If the spring gets weak, the shafts move without resistance and the shifter pops out of gear. If you look at page 86 of the Haynes manual and picture 10.8a you will see the detent ball and spring. Figure 10.8b and 10.9 show the other two balls. Make sure you set the second gear stop bolt shown in 10.11 as well or your will not be fully engaged in gear and it can pop out of gear when you remove the load. I only have problems now when I shift. The gearshif sort of pops back into my hand when I shift from 1st to second but it never comes out of gear when I decelerate as it used to. Remember you can make the spring so tight you have to pull the shifter out of gear so this should solve your problem for no outlay of $. Hope this helps. Dave VE4PN From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 09:59:21 1994 Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 20:26:33 -0600 (CST) From: David John Place To: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> Cc: lro Subject: Re: equipment / chains In-Reply-To: <941130124516_100043.2400_EHK26-1@CompuServe.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: The best set of chains I ever used were a type that had triangle shaped pieces of metal that were placed permanently inside the bead of the tire just before inflation. the chains themselves had an attachment which allowed you to put the chains across the face of the tire from bead to bead when needed and then removed when the surface improved. The metal hook for want of a better term didn't seem to change the tire on the highway etc. I don't know if you can still get them. I let most of them go with my last Rover and now I use the full wheel type. By the way, I saw a neat trick for putting the chains on which I will try this winter. You get a piece of cloths hanger wire and bend it so you have a "U" shaped piece of wire with a sharp point which can grab both sides of the tread. You attach the chains to this hook and lay them out in front of the wheel you which to put the chain on. You drive forward, and the hook pulls the chain around the tire as you drive. when you have completed one revolution of the wheel the chains are all the way around and ready to be clipped together. You then put "bungee" cords across the chains to keep them tight on the tire and the job is done. We haven't had enough snow yet to try it but I will let you know if they work as well for me as the fellow I saw using them. One other neat trick I saw being used by some commercial fishermen on Lake Winnipeg was to mount disker blades just in front of the front wheels attached to the bumpers of the Land Rover. The hung down to about mid tire height and were offset to the outside. When the fellows drove out on the lake to lift their nets, the disc would throw the snow out of the way and they didn't need chains or other help to go in very deep snow. Normally the snow is so bad that Bombardiers, a tracked vehicle with front skies is used. The fellow I knew, actually a woman, used an 88 Land Rover with a truck cap for this work and it never failed. You might try this with removable wheel discs and see what it will do for you. Dave VE4PN From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 10:00:27 1994 Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 21:30:32 -0600 (CST) From: David John Place To: Jason LaBranch Cc: lro@team.net Subject: Re: A few thoughts on Winches In-Reply-To: <9412012008.AA12308@yeola.sybgate.sybase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: That part about the boy being killed by the winch cable makes me want to remind people that if nothing else put your jacket on the cable so that if it breaks it acts like a break in the wind and will slow down the cable. I now use an extension cable on my electric winch and I sit inside when I have a real winch job to do. I also use stainless cable only. I know it costs, but it doesn't rust out and get brittle like steel cable out in the elements does. For the fellow trying to decide on a winch, I have all kinds and I still prefer the PTO type because you can shift the gearbox and change speeds. It also is a true reverse system with variable speeds. I used one to put up ham radio towers, and it was great. The old style Warn was quite good and now I am using a military aircraft starting motor with relays to give in and out. It is cheap and has great pulling power. I think I will send a picture of my 88 to Al Workhorse and people can see the type it is. I had a good look at the new Defender on Friday and I noticed it has an American type receiver socket on the rear. Why dont you put the same type of socket on the front under the bumper and use one winch to pull from rear or front? I find I most often want to get back to hard ground not pull myself further into trouble and a rear winch is better for this. A "Jackall" the name we use in Canada for the high jack fited with a square receiver which will fit into that hole will make jacking a lot safer. The vehicle won't wobble on the jack with it in the square hole. Dave VE4PN From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 10:01:10 1994 From: "T.F. Mills" Subject: LR current cite (5 in 1) To: lro@team.net Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 01:32:01 -0700 (MST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 831 Status: O X-Status: OPEN ROAD, Road & Track's seminannual 4x4 magazine, has no less than 5 articles of interest in its Fall/Winter 1995 issue: Lamm, John "La Ruta Maya" p. 22-33 Lamm, John "Fraser Island, wherein life's a beach 75 miles long" p. 80-84 [there's a red Disco in 6 of the 10 photos] Bornhop, Andrew "Range Rover 4.0 SE, more dignified than ever in an adverse world" p. 88-93 Spell, Tim "Camel cruise: filthy accomodations, first-class adventure" p. 124-129 [perhaps the most comprehensive story on the Camel Trophy 94 to appear in print in the US] Murray, Spence "Of camel toes & sand traps" p. 130-131, 134 [how to drive in sand; no mention of LR, but 2 of the 3 photos are Rovers] T. F. Mills tomills@du.edu University of Denver Library 2150 E. Evans Ave. Denver CO 80208 USA From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 10:01:19 1994 From: mtalbot@interserv.com Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 07:57:05 -0800 To: Land-Rover-Owner@team.net Subject: Re: Wide wheels and tyres Status: O X-Status: All, I wnat to put 16 X 7 white spokes on my Land Rover, anyone recommend any good wheels and possibly tyres (TIRES) to fit on them. I was thinking BF Goodrich all terrain. Any used those ? Anyone have an idealy of the widest tyre that will fit on a 7" rim ? I was thinking 265x70 Mark From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 10:01:25 1994 From: mtalbot@interserv.com Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 07:56:59 -0800 To: Land-Rover-Owner@team.net Subject: Re: Red line in a Land Rover Status: O X-Status: All, Heck who cares, getting the thing over 55 mph is the only redline !!!! Mark From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 10:01:41 1994 From: mtalbot@interserv.com Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 07:56:52 -0800 To: Land-Rover-Owner@team.net Subject: Re: Common parts Status: O X-Status: All, Land Rover reversing lights are the same as MGB's. Also, the lamp assemblies are STANDARD B.L parts. Almost all B.L models from 67 to 75 should fit Land Rovers Mark From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 10:02:50 1994 Date: 04 Dec 94 17:21:08 EST From: "Stephen O'Hearn" <72700.3262@compuserve.com> To: Land Rover Digest Subject: 90 Armrests / Tape vs. CD Status: O X-Status: No armrests :( Can't rest your arm on the door top with the side windows either :( This has caused me to keep both hands on the steering wheel more :) This in turn has adversely affected my wave response time :( Tape vs. CD: I'd stick with a tape player, they are cheaper, more robust, and tapes are easier to handle while driving. Sure a changer takes care of this but I'm not so sure one can handle an abusive environment (dust and moisture which get everywhere). Regarding contamination of tapes I have found that CD's aren't too tolerant of being scratched. Wishing I was treading lightly on the Donner Summit... Stephen O'Hearn '94 Defender 90 From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 10:02:58 1994 From: "Jurgen Klus" Organization: Flinders University of S.Aust. To: LRO@TEAM.NET Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 09:36:54 GMT-0930 Subject: Disco height Priority: normal Status: O X-Status: Could a few of you Discovery owners do me a favour? I think my Discovery is a bit low at the front. Could you please post the distance between the very top of the front axle and the bottom of the rubber bump stop? It needs to be a V8i, preferrably 3.5 ltr, 5 speed. (Although I don't think the 3.9 weighs any more!) Thanks. Jurgen Klus Voice 618 201 2413 Fax 618 201 3877 From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 10:03:09 1994 From: sohearn@interserv.com Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 16:18:03 -0800 To: land-rover-owner@team.net Subject: An Internet Wave to All Status: O X-Status: Sorry, but I couldn't help playing with my new way to access the Internet. I hope you'll all forgive me! Treading Lightly... Stephen +----------------------------------------------------+ | Stephen O'Hearn Land Rover | | '94 Defender 90 The Best 4x4xFar | +----------------------------------------------------+ From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 10:03:50 1994 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 23:17:44 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: jory@mit.edu, mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net Subject: Re: Electric Land-Rovers Cc: lro@team.net Status: O X-Status: From Jory (>) and Granville (>>) >>Wilde Evolutions also sent me a copy of an article, just published, from >>Winter 1994 issue of _Electric_Car_ magazine. It may still be on the >>newsstands, although I have looked and couldn't find it in my hodunk town >>(no great surpize, that). In the article is a photo of the Land-Rover >>off-roading in Arizona (in Coconino National Forest), as well as a shot of >>an electified Mazda RX-7, doing a wheelie. Really. > >I read the article.. and have access to the magazine (friend's copy). That >magazine is difficult to find even in major cities (recent point of >discussion on the EV mailing list). > >There is also a >picture of that electric same rover (at least I think it's the same) in >Home Power magazine last month. I found two copies of _Electric_Car_ magazine at the magazine *kiosk* (near the food court) in Serramonte Shopping Center. One is mine, the other is available for whoever wants it for cover cost + shipping. I'm *drooling*! From the article, it sounds like they've sorta made the Rover a stock conversion. Anyone know what they want for it? (he says wincing in anticipation.) If I remember rightly, Drive Electric in Sacto charges (I think) around $9,000 for the conversion alone. > >I think I put ("Uncle") Roger in touch with the owner of the EV rover (he >is also a friend of the guy I was just doing EV work for). Roger has his >contract info, etc... There were two addresses on the message you forwarded me... One responded saying it was t'other who owned the rover; I never heard from them. Anyway, the supposed owner of the electric rover is brickard@olympus.net. Thanks for keeping me posted! (he says, dreaming about that engineless 88 in PA.) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 10:07:04 1994 Date: 05 Dec 94 06:29:05 EST From: Leslie from Florida & Liverpool <100042.254@compuserve.com> To: Subject: Landy bits Status: O X-Status: TeriAnne- I have talked with a few people about the cabinets and everyone says the same - you will have to have them made. Unfortunately very few dormobiles (if any) get junked and the people that have them hang onto them! I can get someone to make them out here, but I thik once they are shipped it isn't worthwhile. I can get the dimensions if that is at all helpful. I saw your interest in the fire trucks. Here is some info on two: 109 IIa FORWARD CONTROL Conversion Fire Truck - Less than 17,000 miles. Red. 2 seats in front for officer & driver and 3 seats in the back for crew. Panels straight and frame excellent. Bell, Siren, Horn, Hose reel - all the goodies. 250 gallon/minute pump. 3 intakes - Hydrant / Suction(from pond) for 454 litre onboard tank. The third intake will draw 250 gallons/minute and shoot it back out again. Searchlight, Suction hoses, Delivery hoses, nossles, tools, standpipe, even original uniforms and black helmets can be sourced.\ 1961 Austin Gypsy Fire Tender. (rare!) Chassis # 5944! All service history, original log book, just released from indoor factory service with 1000 original miles on the clock. Main unit includes water tank, hose reel, spotlight, siren, light. Body, frame, and interior all in excellent condition. INCLUDES TRAILER with uniforms, helmets, hoses etc. If your interested, send an email and I'll get you more info. Anything else you might want me to check out? ------------------------------------------------------------------ Pierce Pintle trailers don't exist for less than 250 pounds and a excellent one seems to be closer to 400. Even at the auctions. Most things Land roverish are significantly cheaper in England, but trailers doesn't seem to be one. I guess it is because they are very utilitarian, and there is a lot of need for that out here. Oh well. Hope you have fun with the SI fire tender anyhow. It should be arriving mid December. __________________________________________________________________ Dixon (and everyone else who asked) Getting back to you on Hydraulic winches. I have a genuine Landrover hydraulic winch rated at 15,000 lb with everything, including the pipes, pump, mounting plate, instructions for installation, etc. I also have a genuine Landrover 110 winch. It includes everything - the bumper includes a bull bar mounting plate that surrounds the winch. Email for more info. _____________________________________________________________________ J Pappas Welcome to the list. How is Mass right now. Pretty cold I imagine. (Of course it is not exactly wam here in Liverpool) Anyway just wanted to say hi and where is my newsletter?! _______________________________________________________________________ Steve The IIa 88 - "Guinness" should be in Florida just after Xmas if you want to view it. Just leave me an email as to what day. _______________________________________________________________________ *********************************************************************** If anyone is interested in recieving a current availability parts and vehicles list please email: 1) name and email address 2) snail mail address 3) fax/ph # 4) interests - ie 109, 88, SI-II-III, winch, cylinder head, etc I will try to help anyone on the net to find difficult things to find!! *********************************************************************** Hope you all had a good turkey day. Hard to believe Xmas is only 3 weeks away! Cheers Leslie From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 10:07:17 1994 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 09:50:23 -0500 (EST) From: Harry Greenspun To: Land Rover BBS Subject: Diff. Oil Change Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 258 Status: O X-Status: I'm gearing up to change the oil in the diffs, but have run into an obstacle. Does anyone know where to get the mysterious 13 mm square drive wrench? Whatever happened to the "stripped down with a screw driver and crescent wrench?" Harry 94 Discovery From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 10:07:24 1994 From: Russell Burns Subject: Re: Diff. Oil Change To: hgreensp@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (Harry Greenspun) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 7:05:55 PST Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: ; from "Harry Greenspun" at Dec 5, 94 9:50 am Status: O X-Status: I find the .5 in drive on my socket wrench does the job. It works on the Defender, and the Range Rover. Russ > > I'm gearing up to change the oil in the diffs, but have run into an > obstacle. Does anyone know where to get the mysterious 13 mm square drive > wrench? Whatever happened to the "stripped down with a screw driver and > crescent wrench?" > > Harry > 94 Discovery > > From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 10:08:51 1994 Date: 05 Dec 94 10:03:10 EST From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> To: lro Subject: Selling my 109 ? Status: O X-Status: > Stefan: still haven't sold that LHD SIII eh ? ...well, no. And now, after the first 'V8-euphoria' has settled, I don't think I will. Ok, a S.III 109 4-cyl. and a '87 RR EFi are two different worlds, and, needless to say, the Range is a luxurious and powerful piece of machinery, and very able off-road as I've found out myself. But now that I've got to know "both worlds" and own both of these beasts, I can say this much: The Range, with all its perfection, comfort and power, doesn't have nearly the charm, charisma and spirit of the 109. The Range doesn't have... a soul! Like with the 109, I would sometimes talk to it, either angry if it did some monkey business, or then again even patting it on the bonnet after it got me through a very tight spot or a difficult situation, delivering incredible power and performance after all these years... Now with the Range, I would feel *silly* talking to it; after all, it's just a ... machine! Say what you like, a Range (or Disco, for that matter) simply doesn't have, and never will have, the 'personality' of a Series. This has nothing to do with performance, or durability, or corrosion or whatever, it's totally futile to embark on such discussions. It has to do with emotions or, as TeriAnn once coined, 'being strange' and therefore cannot be grasped by reason or logic. So, for the time being I've laid up the 109 in a barn nearby to give it a dry, salt-free rest for the winter (yes, I have changed all the liquids and covered the springs with grease), and next year, who knows, I might treat it to a new galvanized frame (perhaps coil-sprung??). No, I don't think I'll sell it after all. Unless, of course, someone comes along and makes me the proverbial * offer I can't refuse *. And what would I do with all that money? Buy a Series, naturally... Raving mad, Stefan From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 10:09:46 1994 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:58:07 -0500 To: lro@team.net From: Chrisste@cerf.net (Chris Stevens) Subject: NOW A LAND ROVER OWNER Status: O X-Status: As many of you may have noticed, I am now the proud owner of Bill's 69 SIIA 88. This is my first LR so I'm bound to have a lot of questions. First, though, I have to learn how to get in second gear. As I told Bill, it took us (the LR and me) about 10 hours to make the trek from Troy, NY to Baltimore last Friday. We arrived about 1 am Saturday after an uneventful trip. That is if you call cruising at 50 mph on I-88, I-81, and I-83 uneventful. I did get my share of honks and strange hand signals. Just wanted to the introduction. Chris Stevens BCG Corporate Communications (410) 583-1722 (410) 583-1935 (FAX) Chrisste@cerf.net R 1 3 2 H "Land Rover's first, becuase +--|--| | | Land Rovers last." 2 4 4 L '69 S.IIa 88" From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 10:10:26 1994 Date: Mon, 05 Dec 1994 11:57:53 -0500 From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) Phone: 201-564-2073 Subject: Harry's Plugged To: LRO@stratus.com Content-Type: Text Status: O X-Status: Harry asks: >> I'm gearing up to change the oil in the diffs, but have run into an obstacle. Does anyone know where to get the mysterious 13 mm square drive wrench? Whatever happened to the "stripped down with a screw driver and crescent wrench?" >> Harry, Harry, Harry... (sigh) :-) Take your 1/2" ratchet (a short extension might be helpful), stick the end in the hole and turn counter clockwise. Actually, I'm glad you brought this up. I know a lot of other SERIES LAND ROVER owners who DON'T change their diff oil. EVER. Even after years of repeated wading. Gads! Those HOOLIGANS could LEARN something from you :-). (Don't feel that you're the only one who overlooks the obvious. I spent 3 hours last week trying to track down 3/8" male spade connectors all over Passaic county to make a 3 way junction to finish off my alternator conversion without splicing wires. No luck. Then I wound up splicing and soldering the 3 wires together anyway in a matter of minutes. Duh). Bill I wave at Bim... Oh, never mind! maloney@wings.attmail.com From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 11:06:33 1994 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 08:22:26 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Reply-To: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: wz@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca, lro@stratus.com Subject: Re: REDLINE FOR A 2/14 PETROL IN A 1971 88 IIA Status: O X-Status: In message <9s2kwc5w165w@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca> writes: > My first message on this thing so I guess I'm no longer a virgin (Ha Ha) > > does any one know what the red line setting should be at on a 2 1/4 > petrol engine in a 1971 IIa 88", if it matters I have 30x9.50x15" tires > with no overdrive (but I wish I did) > > thanks in advance for any responces > Wade Zumbach > 1971 IIa 88 station wagon (on the mend) > Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. @fourfold. > > -- > Wade Zumbach, wz@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca > FourFold Symmetry, | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers > Nepean, Ontario, Canada | 1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean > (OVLR's InterNet site) | Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4 The 2-1/4 pertol in my 109 never really liked to rev much over 4K RPM It seems to run out of steam. So I usually make my shift point somewhere between 3.6 & 4K RPM. On long trips, I like to cruise at about 3200 RPM The car feels like it is working too hard for me to want cruise above 3500 RPM for any extended time. I have replaced my big triple guage with a MGB tach and some small guages. 1967 & earlier MGBs are positive earth. 1968 & later are negative earth. The MGB tach is electrical & fits very nicely in the opening for a large Land Rover guage (Series II, don't know about the later cars). TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 11:07:56 1994 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 11:25:17 EST From: robdav@sunshine.vab.paramax.com (Robert Davis) To: Land-Rover-Owner@team.net Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Status: O X-Status: In search of Series III V8 components... Well after making the Atlanta trip with a 2.25 powered 109 towing a heavy trailer, I have decided to put together something with more power. This weekend I dragged out a 109 2 door and took it down to the body shop. I have decided to putin a Chevy six. I have not found the engine yet, but will use the 250 or 292 six cylinder. Since the vehicle was a four cylinder a little extra space will be required. I've seen the conversion John Door did and was impressed with the power. The thing I did not like about John's conversion (also originally a 4 cyl) was the fact that he cut most of the front radiator support away to make room for the longer engine. He used a Series III front radiator support that had been cut away (really a lot cut away) with Series III front fender panels. I would like to use the stage I Series III front rad support as at the top of page 42 of November, 1994 LRO. Does anyone know where I could buy a reasonably priced Stage I Series III panel & bonnet like the one pictured on page 42? I have a friend in Suffolk Va that wants to put his 109 six cyl back on the road, Wiley Browning. Wiley has a 109 that he wants to put the Santana six cylinder in his NADA. Does anyone know of any speciality shops in Spain or elsewhere that could be contacted to purchase an engine or I might try an obtain the santana front radiator support as pictured on page 149 of the same Nov. issue. Last question - we both want to use 3.54 Salisbury axles from stage I Series III V8s. Thanks, R&D From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 12:58:05 1994 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 09:34:17 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mtalbot@interserv.com From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool) Subject: Re: Wide wheels and tyres Cc: lro@team.net Status: O X-Status: Mark asks: > >I wnat to put 16 X 7 white spokes on my Land Rover, anyone recommend any good >wheels and possibly tyres (TIRES) to fit on them. I was thinking BF Goodrich >all terrain. Any used those ? Anyone have an idealy of the widest tyre that >will fit on a 7" rim ? I was thinking 265x70 Yes, this is the size used on the U.S.-spec Defender 90. Also, 235/85 and 255/85 will fit just fine. Or, you could get really crazy and fit 9.00x16 Michelin XCLs, truly the mud tyres from hell. Note also that the stock five-slot steel Land-Rover Discovery wheels (stock, that is, on older euro-spec Discoveries) will work, can be bought used semi-reasonably from England, and look much more "Roverly" than the American-type white-spoke wheels. There are suppliers in the U.S. from which you can get white spoke and probably white "modular"-style wheels but I don't know who they are. Jackman used to make these wheels for Rovers but I don't know who handles that line anymore, if anyone. Check with some of the big wheel suppliers who advertise in the American four-wheel drive magazines. From some of these, you can get package deals with the tires already mounted for a pretty good price. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ] [ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ] From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 12:59:01 1994 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 09:34:02 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: lro@team.net From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool) Subject: Thor hubs Status: O X-Status: Fellow Netters: A Land-Rover that I purchased recently is equipped with some strange-looking hubs, with no "obvious" (that is, on the face) mechanism to allow you to engage or disengage them. So I cleaned one up for a closer look. On the face, spaced through the six attachment bolts, are the following words: THOR Automotive Products, Colorado Springs, Colorado. The face is flat, except for a slight bulge in the center. The body, including the face plate, is about 2" deep. The sides are smooth but a careful look shows a large, flush, slotted screw-head with a dimple on one side. Stamped into the hub are the words "In" and, 180 degrees away, "Out." So it appears that turning the "screw" will engage or disengage the hub. Until I found that little "screw," I thought that they must be automatic hubs. I have never seen such hubs before, has anyone else out there? Does anyone know if they are indeed automatic? Is there a special tool for operating that "screw" on the side (appears that it would be pretty hard to get at it with a screwdriver, especially if you had wide wheels). I wonder how many kinds of hubs there have been to fit the series Land-Rovers? Quite a few, apparently! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ] [ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ] From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 12:59:44 1994 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 09:59:04 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Reply-To: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: mtalbot@interserv.com, Land-Rover-Owner@team.net Subject: Re: Common parts Status: O X-Status: In message <199412041556.AA08052@interserv.com> writes: > All, > > Land Rover reversing lights are the same as MGB's. Also, the lamp assemblies > > are STANDARD B.L parts. Almost all B.L models from 67 to 75 should fit Land > > Rovers > > Mark > Also, the Luca panel switches available for the TR3, is a better quality look alike to the push - pull switches on the earlier series IIa. The license plate lamp on my IIa is the same as is on my TR3 and many other British cars. Then of course there are the solder on bullit connectors & thier barrel connectors. The fuse block is the same on my Land Rover, MGBGT and TR3. I suspect the solinoid is the same accross generator equipped cars. TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 12:59:59 1994 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 10:07:56 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Reply-To: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca, lro@stratus.com Subject: Re: equipment Status: O X-Status: so do I have the only Land Rover on the list that has a Vancouver winch made in Vancouver B.C.??? It was on the LR when I purchased it, and I suspect was put on when she still lived in Canada. I don't know what the rating of this winch is, but I have never seen it stall. TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 13:00:19 1994 X-Sendmail-Version: 8.6.9 X-Authentication-Info: costales@localhost From: costales@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (Bryan Costales) X-Zmail-Id: <9412051016.ZM710@ICSI.Berkeley.edu> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:16:35 -0800 To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Sought: Tilley heater/lamp Status: O X-Status: I am trying to locate a Tilley kerosene heater/lamp. It is a pump-up base, with interchangable heads. One for the heater, one for the lamp. A reflector is also available. I believe they are manufactured in either England or Canada. They definitely do not appear to be available here in the U.S.A. Any suggestions will help. The manufactur's phone or fax number would be ideal. I am even willing to buy a used one. I no longer subscribe to this list (preparing for vacation), so please reply directly to me at: costales@icsi.berkeley.edu -- Bryan Costales -- Systems Manager, International Computer Science Institute Internet: bcx@icsi.berkeley.edu BITNET: bcx@ucbicsi 37 degrees 52.193 minutes north by 122 degrees 16.277 minutes west URL: http://www.icsi.berkeley.edu/~costales/ From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 13:00:34 1994 From: YVES1@delphi.com Date: Mon, 05 Dec 1994 13:31:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest To: Land-Rover-Owner@Team.Net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"Land-Rover-Owner@Team.Net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: > I'm *drooling*! From the article, it sounds like they've sorta made the > Rover a stock conversion. Anyone know what they want for it? (he says > wincing in anticipation.) If I remember rightly, Drive Electric in Sacto > charges (I think) around $9,000 for the conversion alone. > > >I think I put ("Uncle") Roger in touch with the owner of the EV rover (he > >is also a friend of the guy I was just doing EV work for). Roger has his > >contract info, etc... Hmmmmm..... wonder if Joseph V. Lucas is doing the wiring on this? Yves Albert (Al {"Al"}) Feder Yves1@Delphi.com At the Big Red House On Top of the Hill Radio W1EOX AM/FM/SSB/CW/TCP-IP Home of Tiny Radio Theatre, KA1RJS, AND Eric, the Mad Megalomaniac Bull Cavy From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 13:00:44 1994 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 10:49:28 PST From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn) To: hgreensp@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu, lro@team.net Subject: Re: Diff. Oil Change Status: O X-Status: If it's the same as an RR, you can use a 1/2 inch socket drive (which is so close to 13 mm it doesn't matter). John Brabyn 89RR From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 13:13:49 1994 Posted-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:49:35 -0800 To: LRO@team.net Subject: Re: Harry's Plugged In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 05 Dec 1994 11:57:53 EST." Date: Mon, 05 Dec 1994 10:49:29 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Status: O X-Status: Bill Maloney wrote: > Take your 1/2" ratchet (a short extension might be helpful), stick the end in > the hole and turn counter clockwise. Actually, I'm glad you brought this up. > I know a lot of other SERIES LAND ROVER owners who DON'T change their diff > oil. EVER. Even after years of repeated wading. Gads! Those HOOLIGANS > could LEARN something from you :-). Wow, for once I can take the moral high ground. I was a good boy. On Friday my 88 got 7 new quarts of 10w-30, a new Fram Ph-8A oil filter and about a gallon and a half of new 90w. I drained and refilled the both diffs, both swivel balls, gearbox, transfer case and overdrive. Now it will be alot easier for everyone to track me because there is more oil to leak out. Now lets see if I can remember to drain and refill all the gear oil in 9000 miles... -Benjamin Smith ---------------- Science Applications Internation Corporation China Lake Naval Air Weapons Center bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil 1972 Land Rover Series III 88 From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 13:33:39 1994 From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: Re: Harry's Plugged To: bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil (Benjamin Allan Smith) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 14:17:20 -0500 (EST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <199412051849.KAA15551@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil> from "Benjamin Allan Smith" at Dec 5, 94 10:49:29 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 357 Status: O X-Status: > Now lets see if I can remember to drain and refill all the gear oil > in 9000 miles... There is incentive to get the water out before winter here. If you don't, you need another 4x4 to tow you about while you try to break the ice up in the diff. There are a number of diffs about here with dent marks on the backing plate pushing *out*. Rgds, From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 13:34:17 1994 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 11:20:27 PST From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn) To: lro@team.net Subject: New Range Rover and Range Rover Classic Status: O X-Status: I have just read the reports on the new RR in Four Wheeler and 4WD & Off-Road magazines (which were a month later than Car & Driver to have a report!!). A couple of bits of info were added to previous reports; 1. LRNA will continue to import the old RR in the 100 inch wheelbase version as the "Range Rover Classic". This model will have the new interior recently introduced on the County LWB, and the air suspension & traction control. (It will have the 3.9 engine) 2. The US version of the new RR will only have the 4.0 litre engine, not the top-of-the-line 4.5. The 4.0 is 190 bhp and 236 lb-ft. 3. The four wheeler editors think the off road capoability of the new RR is "not much" compromised. The under chassis ground clearance is less, dep[arture angle less, and expected suspension flex (ramp travel index) less than the "Classic" style. The approach angle with spoiler is slightly better. FYI Cheers John Brabyn Mill Valley, Ca 89RR From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 14:54:07 1994 Posted-Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 12:27:18 -0800 To: lro@team.net Subject: Re: Harry's Plugged In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 05 Dec 1994 14:17:20 EST." <9412051917.AA21521@emr1.emr.ca> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 1994 12:27:07 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Status: O X-Status: I wrote: > > Now lets see if I can remember to drain and refill all the gear oil > > in 9000 miles... Dixon wrote: > There is incentive to get the water out before winter here. If > you don't, you need another 4x4 to tow you about while you > try to break the ice up in the diff. There are a number of > diffs about here with dent marks on the backing plate pushing > *out*. The possibility of getting water in the diffs from wading (not that I'm currently in any danger of this--being that I live in the desert) has cause me to think that I might be a good idea to replace the axle breather with a piece of tubing that goes up at least as high as the hardtop/load bead boundary. That way the breather won't rust shut or let water in. Having water freeze in your diff would really suck. It ranks up there with a story related to me by a friend. My friend grew up in Anchorage, Alaska and related to me that you had to be careful where you parked your car. He mention that at school one day a kid parked his pickup with the front tyres in puddles of water. The puddles froze overnight. The next day the kid jumped in the truck (and after stating it) slammed it into gear and gave it a lot of wellie. The tyres shattered/ripped. -Benjamin Smith ---------------- Science Applications Internation Corporation China Lake Naval Air Weapons Center bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil 1972 Land Rover Series III 88 From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 16:36:45 1994 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 14:09:13 -0800 (PST) From: Morgan Hannaford To: lro@team.net Subject: LPS ingredient Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I got out my chem. text and unabridged dictionary and found the following: aliphatic hydrocarbons = fancy name for parrafin/wax type stuff Ciao, Morgan From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 5 16:37:33 1994 Date: Mon, 05 Dec 94 15:07:54 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV To: Offroad@ai.gtri.gatech.edu, lro@team.net Subject: CD player for Discovery. :( Status: O X-Status: FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: CD player for Discovery. :( Thanks for all your input! The bottom line is Land Rover changes the "standard" interface so that none but their own systems will integrate with the head stereo unit. Thanks Jeff Layton for the tip on Crutchfields, they ARE very helpful (especially Sharon ;) ) Sharon checked with their R/D department on this before she called me back to give me the bad news. Now, the choices are: $580 for a "factory" unit from Atlantic British or LRNA. or $400-$500 for a FM modulated unit. Does anyone have an FM modulated unit? How good are they??? Any recommendations? #=====# Never doubt that a small group of individuals |___|__\___ can change the world... indeed, it's the only | _ | |_ | thing that ever has. "(_)""""(_)" -Margaret Mead From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:03:35 1994 From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: LPS ingredient To: morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU (Morgan Hannaford) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 18:52:59 EST Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: ; from "Morgan Hannaford" at Dec 5, 94 2:09 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.36.1.1] Status: O X-Status: > > > I got out my chem. text and unabridged dictionary and found the > following: > > aliphatic hydrocarbons = fancy name for parrafin/wax type stuff > > Ciao, > Morgan Yeah, ok, we'll take that too. The term is about as vague as you can get, and encompasses everything from methane to parrafin. Typically (ie to a chemist), an aliphatic hydrocarbon refers to so-called "lower alkanes" like the solvents I stated earlier, but you are certainly right-it could also mean "higher alkanes" like parrafin as well. Sorry, I should have had a more "open mind". (Maybe I'm just subconsciously trying to convince myself that it was ok to dump sixty bucks worth of british goop on nigel's tummy.) So maybe it does have wax in it.....perhaps we can get you to do a taste test?? (Hint: have the Scotch close at hand). yum, rd/nigel From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:03:56 1994 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 19:39:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Hal A. Lightwood" Subject: starter again To: lro X-Envelope-To: lro@team.net Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mime-Version: 1.0 Status: O X-Status: Well I put new lock washers on, and made sure everything was nice and tight, and yet again, my starter has jarred loose and jammed in the flywheel. Except this time, the starter casing has cracked. I don't understand why this would happen, and I am afraid to put a new starter in if this is going to continue for fear of wrecking it as well. Does anybody have any idea why this is happening? I am SURE it wasn't the lock washers, I put brand new ones on. Hal A. Lightwood From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:05:13 1994 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 03:03:33 +0200 (METDST) From: S|ren Vels Christensen Subject: Re: starter again To: "Hal A. Lightwood" Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 5 Dec 1994, Hal A. Lightwood wrote: > > Well I put new lock washers on, and made sure everything was nice and > tight, and yet again, my starter has jarred loose and jammed in the > flywheel. Except this time, the starter casing has cracked. I don't > understand why this would happen, and I am afraid to put a new starter in > if this is going to continue for fear of wrecking it as well. > > Does anybody have any idea why this is happening? I am SURE it wasn't the > lock washers, I put brand new ones on. > > Hal A. Lightwood Hal, OK, i'm not much of a starter wiz so i haven't been following the thread. Anyway you might appreciate a layman's 2c worth. Did you dismantle the starter earlier? Did everything look symmetric? With all that copperwire and magnets inside and with the rotation speed of a starter, even a little lopside will make the starter want to get out of the casing, like a maniac in a loonysuit. Does the axle fit the bearings? If not, a tooth on the starter pinion might land on a tooth on the starter ring. Perhaps it might also happen if pinion and ring are badly worn. And the silly question: Does the ignition key return immediately when you start? Perhaps some experienced expert will comment (out) the above. At least to limit the possibilities. Good luck +----------------------------+--------------------------------+ | Soren Vels | 1976 sIII 109" 2.25 petrol | | velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk | "Lawrence of Arabia" | ((|||)) | Royal Danish Air Force | Dansk Land-Rover Klub no. 3564 | ((|||)) | Communications Specialist | DL-RK: Approx. 1000 members. | ((|||)) +----------------------------+--------------------------------+__((|||))______ From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:05:47 1994 From: jpappa01@interserv.com Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 18:21:24 -0800 To: lro@team.net Subject: DEFENDER 90 HARDTOP Status: O X-Status: DEFENDER 90 HARDTOPS NOW IN STOCK... ALLOCATION IS ONLY 5 TOPS/DEALER/MONTH FOR THE SHORT TERM! PART # LRNA90HTOP (can -u- figger dat one out?) at a counter price of $2090.00! FIRST FIVE TOPS ALREADY SPOKEN FOR AND CURRENTLY HAVE (yes, another one to go along with DISCOVERY and RANGE ROVER 4.0 SE) A WAITING LIST! regards - JIMBO jpappa01@interserv.com From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:05:57 1994 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 19:24:00 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: sinasohn@crl.com, jory@mit.edu, mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net Subject: Re: Electric Land-Rovers Cc: lro@team.net Status: O X-Status: I wrote... >I found two copies of _Electric_Car_ magazine at the magazine *kiosk* (near >the food court) in Serramonte Shopping Center. One is mine, the other is >available for whoever wants it for cover cost + shipping. If you don't want the whole magazine, with colour photo, I can fax a copy to whoever wants one. Lemme know... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:06:41 1994 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 19:23:36 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: lro@stratus.com Subject: Ascii Rovers - Old & New (Long) Status: O X-Status: Here's what I have so far... If someone knows how to send this to the web, I'd appreciate it... 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Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:07:02 1994 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 19:23:39 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: lro@team.net Subject: Re: Rita, Rita, (Kilo)Metre Maid Status: O X-Status: Michael Loiodice pointed out the familial navigational problems... >So Roger... this east-west mixed up thing runs in the family, eh? > >Roger sez... > >> A favor to ask... If anyone see's a college girl in a white subaru wagon >> with straps holding down the bonnet and a ton of stuff, (hopefully) headed >> east on hwy 80 from Maine to California, Could you sorta make sure she's >> pointed in the right direction? > >If she's heading EAST on 80 we'll be sure to get her turned around!! But really, I have an excellent sense of direction! Honest! I knew exactly where I was that 4th of July weekend... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:11:20 1994 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 19:23:25 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net Subject: Re: RE: Ascii Rovers Cc: lro@team.net Status: O X-Status: Granville made some nice mods to my ascii attempts and wrote... >And, I gotta say, I admire and applaud your work! Improving or enhancing it >was a lot harder than it looked! You did some nice work on it! (I've got it saved.) >Do you really have three door hinges? Mrs. Gord'n Perrott, dba Stephanie >Cshing, had that set-up and used the two bottom ones with a normal >old-style Land-Rover tailgate for a side hinged setup, using only one of the >normal old-style tailgate catches on the left side. Really slick, simple, >and out of the used parts bin. Do you take your top off and use a tailgate >similarly? Well, actually, I only have two for now. I *do* plan on getting a third, however. That and diamond plate for the back, and move the tire holder up a bit. A standard Scotty-mod. That strengthens the door so you can hang a tire on it without warping it, and gets it out of the way of the tow ball. I've not done the tailgate bit, but I have seen it (I think Dan Dachel of Wellington Rovers had one) and it is really nice. I would like to do that with my 88" if I can convince my brother/girlfriend to let me put a pickup top on it. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:11:36 1994 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 19:23:41 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: LANDROVER@delphi.com, wz@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca, lro@team.net Subject: Re: REDLINE FOR A 2/14 PETROL IN A 1971 Status: O X-Status: The Tach on my 109" was set with the redline at about 3000. Scotty said it could run a lot higher than that, so I keep it around there. Around 3100 = 70mph so I'm happy. Usually on the freeway, I go between 2800 - 3100 (except going uphill) in 4th/OD. I've gotten it up to 3700-3800 by accident a few times (enjoying the scenery and not paying attention to my speed) and it doesn't sound terrible, but it worries me. (Probably more than the rover.) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:11:50 1994 From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: Re: starter again To: halightw@FLASH.LakeheadU.CA (Hal A. Lightwood) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 22:55:39 -0500 (EST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: from "Hal A. Lightwood" at Dec 5, 94 07:39:07 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 424 Status: O X-Status: > Does anybody have any idea why this is happening? I am SURE it wasn't the > lock washers, I put brand new ones on. You changed the washers and now after running the engine the casing has cracked? This is the right starter right? The only way that the case could be cracked is if it was not on flush thus not disengaging properly. You have the right flywheel and bellhousing? This should not be happening. From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:12:12 1994 From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT (fwd) To: Brian_Foster_at_ASTISHR@ccmailsmtp.ast.com Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 23:05:17 -0500 (EST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9411057866.AA786676459@ccmailsmtp.ast.com> from "Brian_Foster_at_ASTISHR@ccmailsmtp.ast.com" at Dec 5, 94 05:14:19 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 855 Status: O X-Status: > Thought you'd appreciate knowing about this... seems to be true. > A virus is circulating on the Internet. If you receive a message with > the header "xxx-1" DO NOT READ IT. Delete immediately or your disk will > require treatment by a virus-scanner. I have had two copies of this > message this morning (Sunday) already, but was warned by an early > morning phone call from a friend who got hit. Being no UNIX expert, but rather familiar with DOS having a message with a virus string contained within it is not going to infect your system. All a mail reader will do is read text and display it on the screen. You are not executing this series of assembler commands. (Besides, how will this string fuck up my DOS based machine at home, my UNIX box at work, my Micro-Vax VMS system at my friends house all at once? It can't) From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:12:43 1994 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 16:54:14 +1100 From: lloyd@indy14.cs.monash.edu.au (Lloyd Allison) To: lro@team.net Status: O X-Status: Someone was asking about L-R seatbelts a little while back. This is related - ... A little over a year later [ie 1949 ish] the first Land-Rover arrived [on] the Snowy Mountains Hydro ELectric Scheme. ... Also this was the 1st time that Australian engineers started to influence the design of 4WD products from Solihull. In fact by 1961 the entire fleet had been fitted with seatbelts - a world first. ... from `In the Beginning' by B. Woodward National Four Wheeler 6(2) p21 Winter 1994 Lloyd Dept. of Computer Science, Monash University, Clayton, Victoria 3168, AUSTRALIA tel: 61 3 905 5205 fax: 61 3 905 5146 email: lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:13:06 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Tue, 06 Dec 1994 01:52:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Selling my 109 ? To: 100043.2400@compuserve.com, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"100043.2400@compuserve.com" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: Another one bites the dust... Stefan sez... > > > Stefan: still haven't sold that LHD SIII eh ? > > ...well, no. And now, after the first 'V8-euphoria' has settled, I don't > think I will. Ok, a S.III 109 4-cyl. and a '87 RR EFi are two different --snip-- > much: The Range, with all its perfection, comfort and power, doesn't have > nearly the charm, charisma and spirit of the 109. The Range doesn't > have... > a soul! Like with the 109, I would sometimes talk to it, either angry if --snip-- > machine! Say what you like, a Range (or Disco, for that matter) simply > doesn't have, and never will have, the 'personality' of a Series. This > has > nothing to do with performance, or durability, or corrosion or whatever, --snip-- Aye, laddie... it's a sickness.. it burrows deep into yer brain, yer soul and yer pocketbook.. This love of old, leaky, rattling machines.. You dream of them at night... In the dead of winter when the snow is deep you'll be bringing pieces of it into the house to be disassembled on the kitchen table. Soon, you'll be hoarding spare parts under your bed... Then you'll find another Series truck for sale and you'll do everything but sell the children to get it... And another... and another... Ain't it great?? Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:13:14 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Tue, 06 Dec 1994 01:52:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Dige To: robdav@sunshine.vab.paramax.com, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"robdav@sunshine.vab.paramax.com" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: Robert sez... > In search of Series III V8 components... > Well after making the Atlanta trip with a 2.25 powered 109 towing a > heavy trailer, I have decided to put together something with more > power. This weekend I dragged out a 109 2 door and took it down > to the body shop. I have decided to putin a Chevy six. I have > not found the engine yet, but will use the 250 or 292 six cylinder. > Since the vehicle was a four cylinder a little extra space will be > required. I've seen the conversion John Door did and was impressed Robert.. Did you consider using a GM V-6??? I think it's the same bolt pattern and it's a much shorter engine.. Pretty smooth motor, to boot. Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:13:46 1994 Via: uk.ac.edinburgh.castle; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 08:53:37 +0000 From: Mr Ian Stuart Organization: Vet-lab,The Univ of Edinburgh To: lro@team.net Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 08:53:20 +0000 Subject: Re: Wide wheels and tyres Reply-To: Ian.Stuart@edinburgh.ac.uk Priority: normal Status: O X-Status: > 255/85 will fit just fine. Or, you could get really crazy and fit 9.00x16 > Michelin XCLs, truly the mud tyres from hell. The ultimate "Mud Tyres From Hell" are the Sugar-Cube types. They have a UK road rating of about 50mph and a truly aggressive tread (5 x 1" (free-standing) cubes across the width of the tyre). These tyres gave competitors such an edge over SATs & BFGs that the RAC has banned them as competition tyres. BTW -- there is a open invitation to come to a SLROC event (we may even find a seat for you in a vehicle). Give me a shout with the dates & I'll let you know what's on during your visit. Spend time touring Scotland *and* get to play with Land Rovers -- what an offer :) ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 31 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. WWW sites: Work -- Play -- #======================================================================# Pessimists are often pleasently suprised by life, |Land Rover owners do optimists find it full of disappointments. | it in the mud. From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:14:45 1994 To: lro@team.net From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Discovery and 90 horror stories :(... Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 10:51:05 UNDEFINED Status: O X-Status: Chatting with a mechanic who sees a lot of Landrovers. He was showing me a couple of 90 panels. They were made from layered recycled steel, adn corrosion hasd ballooned them out to 5 times their original thickness. They were a serious mess. Apparently Landrover got lots of recycled steel from Spain very cheap............Bulkheads adn outriggers go very bad very quick :( He showed me a Mini door panel for comparison. This had been out in teh weather for a couple of years. It had just rusted on teh surface, then stopped at that point. The Landrover panels were pure disintegrating rust! Since the only reason folk buy em and put up with the constant niggly faults is because teh basic structure of teh Landrover lasts longer than teh more mechanically troublefree Japanese equivalents, it rather makes you wonder what will happen to heir market share if all teh modern ones dont anymore........ Discovery stories were even worse. Apparently in teh S.E. where they sold a lot early on (to both private buyers adn fleets) there have been a rash of body panels coming off on teh road. It seems that Landrover didnt bother to treat teh steel mountings for teh aluminium body panels, adn sure enough teh corrosion after 4-5 years is hideous. Apparently many secondhand dealers wont touch em cos they wont warranty them. Sounds like Landover are trying to commit corporate Hara-kiri. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:15:02 1994 To: lro@team.net From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Hi-Lift on Defender Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 10:56:34 UNDEFINED Status: O X-Status: Hi-Lift on Defender .one of the two mounts to the frame rails. As with using the rear .hitch mount, any Hi-Lift use can be dicey, front or back. Works .great but you gotta watch out. That's the whole point of Hi-lifts. So you can lift one end out of ruts, then give a shove so it falls off teh jack out away from teh ruts. Then repeat at teh other end. Woudlnt work if they were stable....... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:15:28 1994 To: lro@team.net From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Waxoyl ingredients Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:10:08 UNDEFINED Status: RO X-Status: .(in hot water-it IS flammable) or dilute it. Looks yellowish with pale wax in If possible, get the black stuff. The yellow stuff is used on normal car bodywork, buffed off like a normal polish. The black stuff is ultra-gloopy adn is designed for chassis. It's also bloody hard to find, so I usually use teh yellow stuff :( .remained well coated. This waxoyl is on like glue, everywhere, with nothing .under it, and it ain't goin' nowhere. As time goes on and the remaining .solventin it evaporates, it seems to slowly spread, and not spread thin but .kindathicken. Hunkerin' down for winter. My axle housings and springs, .previously You think THAT is sticky, wait till you see teh black....... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:15:48 1994 To: lro@team.net From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Freewheeling Hubs Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:49:36 UNDEFINED Status: RO X-Status: .even though the SIII had a salisbury rear axle. I must confess though .that now I have a 90 I use low range with the diff unlocked quite a lot .for maneuvering trailers etc, and for travelling at 1 mph in traffic .jams across the Kingston Bridge on the odd excursion to Glasgow. Sorry? You mean 'parking ratios'. Neat feature to give you a whole parking gearbox to compensate for lugging the steering wheel round against that damned damper! What else would you use it for? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:16:11 1994 Date: Tue, 06 Dec 1994 09:18:05 -0500 From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) Phone: 201-564-2073 Subject: Hal's Starter Problems To: LRO@stratus.com Content-Type: Text Status: O X-Status: Hal asked: >> Well I put new lock washers on, and made sure everything was nice and tight, and yet again, my starter has jarred loose and jammed in the flywheel. Except this time, the starter casing has cracked. I don't understand why this would happen, and I am afraid to put a new starter in if this is going to continue for fear of wrecking it as well. >> I'll take a guess. The nuts weren't tightened enough upon reinstallaton at one time and allowed the starter to shift on starting. As it shifted more stress was put on the casing and the nuts loosened even more, and the more the nuts loosened the worse the situation became, until the casing cracked. Another possibility could be that the starter was dropped at one point and cracked before being installed. Just a thought. I would shine a light into the starter hole with the starter removed while someone turns the hand crank and examine the flywheel ring gear. If it's OK, you should be fine. Also, check the condition of the upper stud for the starter. Good Luck! Bill maloney@wings.attmail.com From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:16:30 1994 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 08:59:24 -0500 (EST) From: Steven M Denis Subject: side panels To: Land Rover Owners Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 732 Status: O X-Status: Does anyone have/know the whereabouts of side panels for the roof of a 109 2 door...these can be with or with out windows....the roof I have.. I understand these are rare,(a nice lady in CA. had someone try to *steal* hers) but someone might have a set and are tired of looking at them....any where in the eastern Us and Canada is OK....the trans portation from the UK or out west is too problematical.. thanks!! steve..... "HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..." "NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon Steven M. Denis " "-1957 107 Station Wagon PO Box 61 " "-1964 109 Pickup Erieville,New York USA " "_1967 109 NADA SW 13061 From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:16:51 1994 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 09:09:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Hal A. Lightwood" Subject: Hand Crank In-Reply-To: <199412060755.HAA04885@chunnel.uk.stratus.com> To: Land-Rover-Owner@Team.Net X-Envelope-To: Land-Rover-Owner@Team.Net Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mime-Version: 1.0 Status: O X-Status: Well, now that my starter is busted in half (as posted earlier), I am resorted to starting my LR with the hand crank, which works surprisingly well! Although i do get alot of strange looks in the parking lot :) Yesterday it was -20 degress, and there were cars all around me that couldn't start because of the cold. However, two good cranks by hand and I was off to the races. They stopped laughing at me as I drove off into the sunset leaving them to wait for the towtruck. Hal A. Lightwood 88" SERIII w/ armrests From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:17:06 1994 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 09:05:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Hal A. Lightwood" Subject: Re: Changing Diff Oil In-Reply-To: <199412060755.HAA04885@chunnel.uk.stratus.com> To: Land-Rover-Owner@Team.Net X-Envelope-To: Land-Rover-Owner@Team.Net Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mime-Version: 1.0 Status: O X-Status: Regarding the 13mm square socket, It may be that for some reason the plug on the diff is inverted to what you would normally find. Instead of it being a hole that you can put the socket driver wrench into, mine seems to be a square nob sticking upwards. I have no tool which will fit this, so I just use a crescent wrench. ___ normal plug __| |__ __ __ my plug |___| Hal A. Lightwood From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:17:53 1994 X-Authentication-Warning: tornadic.sw.stratus.com: Host localhost.stratus.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Brian_Foster_at_ASTISHR@ccmailsmtp.ast.com Cc: lro@team.net X-Copyright-1994: William Caloccia, All Rights Reserved. Subject: non land rover messages Date: Tue, 06 Dec 94 09:38:05 -0500 From: William Caloccia Status: O X-Status: Sorry Brian, but that type of message clearly does not belong in this mailing list. Not only that, but the content of the message was mostly useless, so as to be more threatening and scary than useful. I say this as it has no context about the alleged threat, and to what machines or software it is purportedly a problem for. There are a number of sources on the internet (mailing lits and news groups) which are concerned with the security of various architectures, as well as the CERT center at CMU. If you are concerned about such matters than please follow up on them, but don't bother posting them to this list, as for whatever machine it is, and software and operating system, this is an ineffective way to distribute such specific information, especially, when like the previous message, there is no particularly useful information in it. PS: and don't anyone dare forward a 'send postcards' or 'chain letter' junk mail to this list either (said for those of you who don't know any better). Cheers, --bill caloccia@Team.Net caloccia@Stratus.Com 1 3 dl OD L "Land Rover's first, becuase |--|--+ o | | Land Rovers last." 2 4 R N H '72 Range Rover From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:18:02 1994 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 08:28:20 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Reply-To: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: lro@team.net Subject: question for 90 owners Status: O X-Status: In message <199412060221.AA19995@interserv.com> writes: > DEFENDER 90 HARDTOPS NOW IN STOCK... ALLOCATION IS ONLY 5 TOPS/DEALER/MONTH > > FOR THE SHORT TERM! PART # LRNA90HTOP (can -u- figger dat one out?) at a > > counter price of $2090.00! > FIRST FIVE TOPS ALREADY SPOKEN FOR AND CURRENTLY HAVE (yes, another one to go > > > along with DISCOVERY and RANGE ROVER 4.0 SE) A WAITING LIST! > > regards - > JIMBO > jpappa01@interserv.com QUESTION for 90 owners I still don't know why someone with a US spec 90 couldn't remove the roll bar & pop on a European spec 90 hard top. Can anyone with a 90 tell me why this can not be done? It just strikes me as a possibly easy cheaper way to get a hard top. TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:18:21 1994 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 08:41:07 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Reply-To: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: sinasohn@crl.com, LANDROVER@delphi.com, wz@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca, lro@team.net Subject: Re: REDLINE FOR A 2/14 PETROL IN A 1971 Status: O X-Status: In message <199412060323.AA14345@crl10.crl.com> Roger Sinasohn writes: > The Tach on my 109" was set with the redline at about 3000. Scotty said it > could run a lot higher than that, so I keep it around there. Around 3100 = > 70mph so I'm happy. Usually on the freeway, I go between 2800 - 3100 (except > > going uphill) in 4th/OD. I've gotten it up to 3700-3800 by accident a few > times (enjoying the scenery and not paying attention to my speed) and it > doesn't sound terrible, but it worries me. (Probably more than the rover.) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad > sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." > Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates > San Francisco, California > Not having a overdrive in my 109, 3200 RPM equals somewhere between 50 & 55 MPH & 3500 RPM = about 60ish. Vance, who followed me to the Portland All British Field meet last Sept may think my MPH numbers are a little optimistic. He & I have the same tyres & I know my speedometer is off. I calibrate my tach by looking at RPMs when following traffic officers. My engine likes 3200 to 3400 RPM on multiday long cruises. I regularly shift at 3700 to 4200 RPM. The higher one is usually trying to get up to speed merging onto a freway, or being lazy about double clutching and doing a first to third shift. TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:19:03 1994 From: Brian_Foster_at_ASTISHR@ccmailsmtp.ast.com Date: Tue, 06 Dec 94 09:11:31 PST To: lro@team.net Subject: Last word on last virus message Status: O X-Status: I've been receiving a lot of grief from a couple of mail lists I belong to about the message I posted regarding a virus that my company has received. I sent the warning in case I posted the virus by mistake. It seems to be a uuencoded executable that looks like a text file which executes when you double click on the file (I use CC:Mail with Windoz). For those that thought it was a hoax or have it removed automatically, I apologize for the wasted bandwidth. I was not trying to propogate a "chain letter" of any kind (I hate them personally & would never try to send one on). I actually rec'd the message w/ the attachment, so IMHO I thought I was helping. I am sorry there are those that disbelieved me & had to send a retort. Brian PS. Special note to the LRO list: by far, the LRO list generated the most hate mail. I apologize once again that you think its a hoax. Please stop sending hate mail, I am off your list & won't bother you anymore. I hope to continue to correspond with the Nor. Calif. crowd privately without the list. -b From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:19:55 1994 To: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Cc: lro@team.net Subject: Re: question for 90 owners In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 06 Dec 1994 08:28:20 PST." <9412061628.AA29703@apple.com> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 1994 09:14:35 -0800 From: Mike Fredette Status: O X-Status: TerriAnn, Well I called Mark Letorney at Rovers North to see about just such an operation. He told me that to bring over a hardtop and do the work to make it fit would cost on the order of 3500 to 4000 dollars! First you have to find a D90 hardtop in England to ship over, which on the surface sounds easy, but in reality is not. I called two places that advertise in LRO and they quoted me 750 - 800 pounds plus the cost to ship it to the U.S. which is substantial. There is a fair amount of modifications that need to be done according to him in order to make the top fit. The dome light needs to be relocated, the rear door situation needs to be looked at, the entire roll bar, not just the external section needs to be removed. None of these things are difficult in and of themselves, but taken together, make it more pain than its worth. Removing the roll bar also makes the truck illegal as far as DOT roll over/crash worthy protection is concerned, DOT are the ones who made them put it on in the first place, and it voids the factory waranty. And LRNA has asked in the strongest terms that Rover's North not import any hardtops, for obvious reasons. Rgds Mike Fredette Portland, Oregon From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:20:12 1994 From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: Re: question for 90 owners To: mfredett@ichips.intel.com (Mike Fredette) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:18:10 -0500 (EST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9412061714.AA13450@pdx242.intel.com> from "Mike Fredette" at Dec 6, 94 09:14:35 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 760 Status: O X-Status: > Removing the roll bar also makes the truck illegal as far as DOT roll > over/crash worthy protection is concerned, DOT are the ones who made > them put it on in the first place, and it voids the factory waranty. When did the American DOT start requiring rollbars on soft-topped vehicles? This seems rather strange. Removing the rollbar is akin to removing seatbelts and other safety devices too? All American sold soft-tops now require rollbars as of '94 model year? Jeeps, Suzuki's, Corvettes, Neons etc? > And LRNA has asked in the strongest terms that Rover's North not import any > hardtops, for obvious reasons. Competition & profits more like it. To my knowledge they certainly could for bring them in for Canadian spec vehicles. From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:20:22 1994 From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: Re: question for 90 owners To: twakeman@apple.com Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:21:06 -0500 (EST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9412061628.AA29703@apple.com> from "TeriAnn Wakeman" at Dec 6, 94 08:28:20 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 440 Status: O X-Status: > I still don't know why someone with a US spec 90 couldn't remove the > roll bar & pop on a European spec 90 hard top. Can anyone with a 90 tell > me why this can not be done? It just strikes me as a possibly easy > cheaper way to get a hard top. I still don't know why I can't take an 88" hard top, a hacksaw, some pop rivets, etc and put it on a 90. (Ditching the roll bar of course). yeah, yeah, I know, I'm a philistine... From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:20:43 1994 To: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Cc: mfredett@ichips.intel.com (Mike Fredette), lro@stratus.com, mfredett@ichips.intel.com Subject: Re: question for 90 owners In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 06 Dec 1994 13:18:10 EST." <9412061818.AA13946@emr1.emr.ca> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 1994 10:47:05 -0800 From: Mike Fredette Status: O X-Status: Dixon, >> And LRNA has asked in the strongest terms that Rover's North not import any >> hardtops, for obvious reasons. > Competition & profits more like it. To my knowledge they certainly > could for bring them in for Canadian spec vehicles. That's what I meant to say. They want the MONEY, not any sort of high lofty, crash protection. Though from a product liability standpoint, they must surely be covering thier asses as well. Which brings us right back to Money. I don't know if Mark will do it for you Canadians or not, all he said was that LRNA had really made a point of asking him not do it. BTW, do you have any specifics on bringing over containers from the UK? I know you guys have done it several times. How much does it really cost, and how much does it really save. And who do you arrange it through? Rgds Mike Fredette Portland, Oregon From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:20:56 1994 Date: 6 Dec 1994 11:15:36 U From: "Keith Sheu" Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT (fwd) To: bmw@balltown.cma.com, "Brian_Foster_at_ASTISHR@ccmail" , jeff.tatum@lanet.cts.com, lro@team.net, porschephiles@tta.com Status: O X-Status: RE>VIRUS ALERT (fwd) 12/6/94 we were also warned not to read a file called "good times". It is apparently a trojan horse that deletes all the files in a hard disk. >A virus is circulating on the Internet. If you receive a message with >the header "xxx-1" DO NOT READ IT. Delete immediately or your disk will > require treatment by a virus-scanner. I have had two copies of this >message this morning (Sunday) already, but was warned by an early > morning phone call from a friend who got hit. From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:21:08 1994 Posted-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:19:49 -0800 To: Land-Rover-Owner@team.net Subject: Re: Changing Diff Oil In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 06 Dec 1994 09:05:16 EST." Date: Tue, 06 Dec 1994 11:19:44 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Status: O X-Status: In message you write: > > Regarding the 13mm square socket, It may be that for some reason the plug > on the diff is inverted to what you would normally find. Instead of it being > a hole that you can put the socket driver wrench into, mine seems to be a > square nob sticking upwards. I have no tool which will fit this, so I > just use a crescent wrench. > ___ normal plug > __| |__ __ __ > my plug |___| Use an 8 point socket (as opposed to the 12 or 6 point ones). Go to Sears and buy one (I know that Craftsman makes 8 point sockets) in 1/2 inch and one 9/16 inch. These should open all of your gear oil plugs. At least it does on my SIII. -Benjamin Smith ---------------- Science Applications Internation Corporation China Lake Naval Air Weapons Center bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil 1972 Land Rover Series III 88 From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:21:22 1994 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 11:52:02 PST From: Brad Krohn To: land-rover-owner@team.net Subject: Lug wrench Status: O X-Status: Text item: Text_1 I know this is silly, but I'm having absolutely no luck finding a plain ol' lug wrench that's big enough for those monster LR nuts. My only options seem to be over-priced: mail order or the hardware store's much-too-fancy 1/2" drive with a 1 1/16" socket. ======================================================================= "ROVER? WHO DRIVES IT?" Brad_Krohn@ccm.hf.intel.com "That would be telling." -The Prisoner '69 IIA 88" Bug-Eye ======================================================================= From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 14:21:43 1994 Posted-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:06:00 -0800 Cc: lro@stratus.com Subject: Re: question for 90 owners In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 06 Dec 1994 13:21:06 EST." <9412061821.AA14383@emr1.emr.ca> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 1994 12:05:49 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Status: O X-Status: TeriAnn wrote: > > I still don't know why someone with a US spec 90 couldn't remove the > > roll bar & pop on a European spec 90 hard top. Can anyone with a 90 tell > > me why this can not be done? It just strikes me as a possibly easy > > cheaper way to get a hard top. Dixon wrote: > I still don't know why I can't take an 88" hard top, a hacksaw, > some pop rivets, etc and put it on a 90. (Ditching the roll > bar of course). yeah, yeah, I know, I'm a philistine... When the US 90s first got the US, I compared it to my SIII. Assuming you take the roll bar off (which looks like 1/2 an hour's work with the special, many point, star head bolts) the only modification that would need to be done to a Series hardtop is to make cuts to allow for the windshield being ~2 inches taller. Regarding roll bars, all of the recent jeeps that I've seen (not all that many) that had soft tops also had padded rollbars. -Benjamin Smith ---------------- Science Applications Internation Corporation China Lake Naval Air Weapons Center bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil 1972 Land Rover Series III 88 From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 15:13:29 1994 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 15:39:24 -0500 (EST) From: Jon Humphrey To: land-rover-owner@team.net, Brad Krohn Subject: Re: Lug wrench In-Reply-To: <941206115202_3@ccm.hf.intel.com> Status: O X-Status: Brad, I believe the lug nuts are 15/16", you probably won't find a standard lug wrench "X"bar to fit. Go to the auto parts store and get a 15/16" deepwell 1/2" drive impact socket, and a 1/2" breaker bar. The longer the better. Then just for kickers get a three foot long piece of pipe that will just fit over the handle of the breaker bar. This is for extra leverage to break them loose, not for tightening. Wrap them all up in a nice tool bag, ready for use when the dreaded air thief strikes. Later jon From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 15:37:19 1994 From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: Re: Lug wrench To: Brad_Krohn@ccm2.hf.intel.com (Brad Krohn) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:31:15 -0500 (EST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <941206115202_3@ccm.hf.intel.com> from "Brad Krohn" at Dec 6, 94 11:52:02 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 565 Status: O X-Status: > I know this is silly, but I'm having absolutely no luck finding a plain > ol' lug wrench that's big enough for those monster LR nuts. My only > options seem to be over-priced: mail order or the hardware store's > much-too-fancy 1/2" drive with a 1 1/16" socket. Hmmm, I have never actually looked for a lug wrench for the wheel nuts. I would have thought they were available. Myself, I have a 3/4" drive & socket for them. Generally nasty little things that don't like to co-operate. This approach solved that (and a piece of pipe sometimes...) From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 16:08:29 1994 From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: Re: question for 90 owners To: bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil (Benjamin Allan Smith) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:35:04 -0500 (EST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <199412062006.MAA23248@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil> from "Benjamin Allan Smith" at Dec 6, 94 12:05:49 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 695 Status: O X-Status: > When the US 90s first got the US, I compared it to my SIII. Assuming > you take the roll bar off (which looks like 1/2 an hour's work with the > special, many point, star head bolts) the only modification that > would need to be done to a Series hardtop is to make cuts to allow for the > windshield being ~2 inches taller. Never really looked at the roll bar closely. Is it mounted on top of the box like the old military roll bars, or does it go into and through the box to the frame area? If mounted on top of the box, removal would be as easy as you say. In fact if you really wanted to keep a rool bar, find a military one that fits under the 88 hard top and put it on. From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 16:08:35 1994 From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: Re: Lug wrench To: jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jon Humphrey) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:40:22 -0500 (EST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: from "Jon Humphrey" at Dec 6, 94 03:39:24 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 123 Status: O X-Status: > Brad, I believe the lug nuts are 15/16", Two sizes are possible. This and 1 1/16". Mix and match to confuse... :-) From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 16:09:03 1994 From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: Re: question for 90 owners To: mfredett@ichips.intel.com (Mike Fredette) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:38:32 -0500 (EST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9412061847.AA21954@pdx242.intel.com> from "Mike Fredette" at Dec 6, 94 10:47:05 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 651 Status: O X-Status: > LRNA had really made a point of asking him not do it. BTW, do you have any > specifics on bringing over containers from the UK? I know you guys have done > it several times. How much does it really cost, and how much does it really save. > And who do you arrange it through? We never have done a container load of stuff from the UK. From out west, yes, but not the UK. Up to now everything has fit on pallets and we have those come across on ship, then railed to Ottawa. The last order was a metric ton of stuff (mostly springs to get that weight) and cost about $300US to get it to Montreal, about a hundred twenty five miles from here. From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 16:09:28 1994 Posted-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:57:33 -0800 To: lro@stratus.com Subject: Re: question for 90 owners In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 06 Dec 1994 16:35:04 EST." <9412062135.AA10855@emr1.emr.ca> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 1994 13:57:27 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Status: O X-Status: In message <9412062135.AA10855@emr1.emr.ca>you write: > > When the US 90s first got the US, I compared it to my SIII. Assuming > Never really looked at the roll bar closely. Is it mounted on > top of the box like the old military roll bars, or does it go > into and through the box to the frame area? If mounted on top > of the box, removal would be as easy as you say. In fact if > you really wanted to keep a rool bar, find a military one that > fits under the 88 hard top and put it on. The rollbar is bolted on in front near the windscreen and behind the front seats to provide a roll cage. I assume they strengthened the areas that they bolted to (not just bolted to aluminum panels). The military roll bars that I have seen were just a and upsidedown U that was fitted just behind the front seats. -Benjamin Smith ---------------- Science Applications Internation Corporation China Lake Naval Air Weapons Center bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil 1972 Land Rover Series III 88 From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 17:30:07 1994 From: rmodica@east.pima.edu Date: Tue, 06 Dec 1994 16:02:49 MST To: Land-Rover-Owner@Team.Net Subject: RE: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Status: O X-Status: > From: MX%"Land-Rover-Owner@Team.Net" 6-DEC-1994 01:19:10.16 > To: MX%"LRO-Digest@uk.stratus.com" > CC: > Subj: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest > > > Land-Rover-Owner List & Land Rover Owner Daily Digest List > > [See end of digest for administrative contact information.] > > Contents: > 1 100042.254@compuserve.com Mon Dec 5 11:31 100/4393 Landy bits > 2 hgreensp@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu Mon Dec 5 14:49 26/1316 Diff. Oil Change > 3 burns@cisco.com Mon Dec 5 15:06 30/1404 Re: Diff. Oil Change > 4 100043.2400@compuserve.com Mon Dec 5 15:19 47/2711 Selling my 109 ? > 5 Chrisste@cerf.net Mon Dec 5 16:00 38/1747 NOW A LAND ROVER OWNER > 6 maloney@wings.attmail.com Mon Dec 5 16:06 42/1880 Harry's Plugged > 7 twakeman@apple.com Mon Dec 5 16:22 54/2467 Re: REDLINE FOR A 2/14 PE > 8 robdav@sunshine.vab.paramax.com Mon Dec 5 16:25 41/2371 Re: The Land Rover Owner > 9 mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net Mon Dec 5 17:39 41/2464 Re: Wide wheels and tyres > 10 mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net Mon Dec 5 17:39 41/2457 Thor hubs > 11 twakeman@apple.com Mon Dec 5 18:00 41/1805 Re: Common parts > 12 twakeman@apple.com Mon Dec 5 18:11 28/1350 Re: equipment > 13 costales@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU Mon Dec 5 18:16 39/2104 Sought: Tilley heater/lam > 14 YVES1@delphi.com Mon Dec 5 18:31 37/1728 The Land Rover Owner Dail > 15 brabyn@skivs.ski.org Mon Dec 5 18:47 18/920 Re: Diff. Oil Change > 16 bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil Mon Dec 5 18:51 40/2138 Re: Harry's Plugged > 17 dkenner@emr.ca Mon Dec 5 19:18 31/1443 Re: Harry's Plugged > 18 brabyn@skivs.ski.org Mon Dec 5 19:18 40/1728 New Range Rover and Range > 19 bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil Mon Dec 5 20:30 47/2541 Re: Harry's Plugged > 20 morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU Mon Dec 5 22:09 25/1054 LPS ingredient > 21 DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Mon Dec 5 23:16 36/1902 CD player for Discovery. > 22 dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com Mon Dec 5 23:51 40/1755 Re: LPS ingredient > 23 halightw@FLASH.LakeheadU.CA Tue Dec 6 00:44 31/1528 starter again > 24 Brian_Foster_at_ASTISHR@ccmailsmtp.ast.com Tue Dec 6 01:15 56/2584 VIRUS ALERT (fwd) > 25 velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk Tue Dec 6 02:03 58/2795 Re: starter again > 26 jpappa01@interserv.com Tue Dec 6 02:23 24/1200 DEFENDER 90 HARDTOP > 27 sinasohn@crl.com Tue Dec 6 03:21 48/2454 Re: RE: Ascii Rovers > 28 sinasohn@crl.com Tue Dec 6 03:21 38/1894 Re: Rita, Rita, (Kilo)Met > 29 sinasohn@crl.com Tue Dec 6 03:21 275/11743 Ascii Rovers - Old & New > 30 sinasohn@crl.com Tue Dec 6 03:22 34/1658 Re: Electric Land-Rovers > 31 sinasohn@crl.com Tue Dec 6 03:27 30/1777 Re: REDLINE FOR A 2/14 PE > 32 dkenner@emr.ca Tue Dec 6 03:55 30/1501 Re: starter again > 33 dkenner@emr.ca Tue Dec 6 04:04 35/1946 Re: VIRUS ALERT (fwd) > 34 lloyd@indy14.cs.monash.edu.au Tue Dec 6 05:53 33/1499 > 35 LANDROVER@delphi.com Tue Dec 6 06:51 41/2092 Re: The Land Rover Owner > 36 LANDROVER@delphi.com Tue Dec 6 06:51 57/2641 Re: Selling my 109 ? > > ------------------------------ > > Date: 05 Dec 94 06:29:05 EST > From: Leslie from Florida & Liverpool <100042.254@compuserve.com> > Subject: Landy bits > > TeriAnne- > > I have talked with a few people about the cabinets and everyone says the > same - you will have to have them made. Unfortunately very few dormobiles (if > any) get junked and the people that have them hang onto them! I can get > someone to make them out here, but I thik once they are > shipped it isn't worthwhile. I can get the dimensions if that is at all > helpful. > > I saw your interest in the fire trucks. Here is some info on two: > > 109 IIa FORWARD CONTROL Conversion Fire Truck > - Less than 17,000 miles. Red. 2 seats in front for > officer & driver and 3 seats in the back for crew. > Panels straight and frame excellent. Bell, Siren, Horn, > Hose reel - all the goodies. 250 gallon/minute pump. 3 intakes > - Hydrant / Suction(from pond) for 454 litre onboard tank. > The third intake will draw 250 gallons/minute and > shoot it back out again. Searchlight, Suction hoses, > Delivery hoses, nossles, tools, standpipe, even original > uniforms and black helmets can be sourced.\ > > 1961 Austin Gypsy Fire Tender. (rare!) Chassis # 5944! > All service history, original log book, just released > from indoor factory service with 1000 original miles > on the clock. Main unit includes water tank, hose reel, > spotlight, siren, light. Body, frame, and interior all in > excellent condition. INCLUDES TRAILER with uniforms, helmets, > hoses etc. > > If your interested, send an email and I'll get you more info. > > Anything else you might want me to check out? > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Pierce > > Pintle trailers don't exist for less than 250 pounds and a excellent one > seems to be closer to 400. Even at the auctions. Most things Land roverish > are significantly cheaper in England, but trailers doesn't seem to be one. I > guess it is because they are very utilitarian, and there is a lot of need for > that out here. Oh well. Hope you have fun with the SI > fire tender anyhow. It should be arriving mid December. > __________________________________________________________________ > > Dixon (and everyone else who asked) > > Getting back to you on Hydraulic winches. I have a genuine Landrover > hydraulic winch rated at 15,000 lb with everything, including the pipes, pump, > mounting plate, instructions for installation, etc. > > I also have a genuine Landrover 110 winch. It includes everything - the > bumper includes a bull bar mounting plate that surrounds the winch. > > Email for more info. > _____________________________________________________________________ > J Pappas > > Welcome to the list. How is Mass right now. Pretty cold I imagine. (Of > course it is not exactly wam here in Liverpool) Anyway just wanted to say hi > and where is my newsletter?! > _______________________________________________________________________ > Steve > > The IIa 88 - "Guinness" should be in Florida just after Xmas if you want to > view it. Just leave me an email as to what day. > _______________________________________________________________________ > > *********************************************************************** > If anyone is interested in recieving a current availability parts and > vehicles list please email: > > 1) name and email address > 2) snail mail address > 3) fax/ph # > 4) interests - ie 109, 88, SI-II-III, winch, cylinder head, etc > > I will try to help anyone on the net to find difficult things to find!! > *********************************************************************** > > Hope you all had a good turkey day. Hard to believe Xmas is only 3 weeks > away! > > Cheers > > Leslie > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 09:50:23 -0500 (EST) > From: Harry Greenspun > Subject: Diff. Oil Change > > I'm gearing up to change the oil in the diffs, but have run into an > obstacle. Does anyone know where to get the mysterious 13 mm square drive > wrench? Whatever happened to the "stripped down with a screw driver and > crescent wrench?" > > Harry > 94 Discovery > > ------------------------------ > > From: Russell Burns > Subject: Re: Diff. Oil Change > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 7:05:55 PST > > I find the .5 in drive on my socket wrench does the job. > It works on the Defender, and the Range Rover. > > Russ > > I'm gearing up to change the oil in the diffs, but have run into an > > obstacle. Does anyone know where to get the mysterious 13 mm square drive > [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)] > > Harry > > 94 Discovery > > ------------------------------ > > Date: 05 Dec 94 10:03:10 EST > From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> > Subject: Selling my 109 ? > > > Stefan: still haven't sold that LHD SIII eh ? > > ...well, no. And now, after the first 'V8-euphoria' has settled, I don't > think I will. Ok, a S.III 109 4-cyl. and a '87 RR EFi are two different > worlds, and, needless to say, the Range is a luxurious and powerful piece of > machinery, and very able off-road as I've found out myself. But now that > I've got to know "both worlds" and own both of these beasts, I can say this > much: The Range, with all its perfection, comfort and power, doesn't have > nearly the charm, charisma and spirit of the 109. The Range doesn't have... > a soul! Like with the 109, I would sometimes talk to it, either angry if it > did some monkey business, or then again even patting it on the bonnet after > it got me through a very tight spot or a difficult situation, delivering > incredible power and performance after all these years... Now with the > Range, I would feel *silly* talking to it; after all, it's just a ... > machine! Say what you like, a Range (or Disco, for that matter) simply > doesn't have, and never will have, the 'personality' of a Series. This has > nothing to do with performance, or durability, or corrosion or whatever, it's > totally futile to embark on such discussions. It has to do with emotions or, > as TeriAnn once coined, 'being strange' and therefore cannot be grasped by > reason or logic. > So, for the time being I've laid up the 109 in a barn nearby to give it a > dry, salt-free rest for the winter (yes, I have changed all the liquids > and covered the springs with grease), and next year, who knows, I might > treat it to a new galvanized frame (perhaps coil-sprung??). No, I don't > think I'll sell it after all. Unless, of course, someone comes along and > makes me the proverbial * offer I can't refuse *. And what would I do > with all that money? Buy a Series, naturally... > > Raving mad, > > Stefan > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:58:07 -0500 > From: Chrisste@cerf.net (Chris Stevens) > Subject: NOW A LAND ROVER OWNER > > As many of you may have noticed, I am now the proud owner of Bill's 69 SIIA > 88. This is my first LR so I'm bound to have a lot of questions. First, > though, I have to learn how to get in second gear. > > As I told Bill, it took us (the LR and me) about 10 hours to make the trek > from Troy, NY to Baltimore last Friday. We arrived about 1 am Saturday > after an uneventful trip. That is if you call cruising at 50 mph on I-88, > I-81, and I-83 uneventful. I did get my share of honks and strange hand > signals. > > Just wanted to the introduction. > > Chris Stevens > BCG Corporate Communications > (410) 583-1722 > (410) 583-1935 (FAX) > Chrisste@cerf.net > > R 1 3 2 H "Land Rover's first, becuase > +--|--| | | Land Rovers last." > 2 4 4 L '69 S.IIa 88" > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 05 Dec 1994 11:57:53 -0500 > From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) > Subject: Harry's Plugged > > Harry asks: > > none > I'm gearing up to change the oil in the diffs, but have run into an > obstacle. Does anyone know where to get the mysterious 13 mm square drive > wrench? Whatever happened to the "stripped down with a screw driver and > crescent wrench?" > none > > Harry, Harry, Harry... (sigh) :-) > > Take your 1/2" ratchet (a short extension might be helpful), stick the end in > the hole and turn counter clockwise. Actually, I'm glad you brought this up. > I know a lot of other SERIES LAND ROVER owners who DON'T change their diff > oil. EVER. Even after years of repeated wading. Gads! Those HOOLIGANS > could LEARN something from you :-). > > (Don't feel that you're the only one who overlooks the obvious. I spent 3 > hours last week trying to track down 3/8" male spade connectors all over > Passaic county to make a 3 way junction to finish off my alternator > conversion without splicing wires. No luck. Then I wound up splicing and > soldering the 3 wires together anyway in a matter of minutes. Duh). > > Bill > > I wave at Bim... Oh, never mind! > > maloney@wings.attmail.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 08:22:26 -0800 > From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" > Subject: Re: REDLINE FOR A 2/14 PETROL IN A 1971 88 IIA > > In message <9s2kwc5w165w@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca> writes: > > My first message on this thing so I guess I'm no longer a virgin (Ha Ha) > > does any one know what the red line setting should be at on a 2 1/4 > [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)] > > Nepean, Ontario, Canada | 1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean > > (OVLR's InterNet site) | Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4 > > The 2-1/4 pertol in my 109 never really liked to rev much over 4K RPM It seems > to run out of steam. So I usually make my shift point somewhere between 3.6 & > 4K RPM. On long trips, I like to cruise at about 3200 RPM The car feels like > it is working too hard for me to want cruise above 3500 RPM for any extended > time. > > I have replaced my big triple guage with a MGB tach and some small guages. > 1967 & earlier MGBs are positive earth. 1968 & later are negative earth. The > MGB tach is electrical & fits very nicely in the opening for a large Land Rover > guage (Series II, don't know about the later cars). > > > > > TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world > twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 11:25:17 EST > From: robdav@sunshine.vab.paramax.com (Robert Davis) > Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest > > In search of Series III V8 components... > Well after making the Atlanta trip with a 2.25 powered 109 towing a > heavy trailer, I have decided to put together something with more > power. This weekend I dragged out a 109 2 door and took it down > to the body shop. I have decided to putin a Chevy six. I have > not found the engine yet, but will use the 250 or 292 six cylinder. > Since the vehicle was a four cylinder a little extra space will be > required. I've seen the conversion John Door did and was impressed > with the power. The thing I did not like about John's conversion > (also originally a 4 cyl) was the fact that he cut most of the front > radiator support away to make room for the longer engine. He used > a Series III front radiator support that had been cut away (really > a lot cut away) with Series III front fender panels. I would like > to use the stage I Series III front rad support as at the top of > page 42 of November, 1994 LRO. Does anyone know where I could > buy a reasonably priced Stage I Series III panel & bonnet like > the one pictured on page 42? > > I have a friend in Suffolk Va that wants to put his 109 six cyl > back on the road, Wiley Browning. Wiley has a 109 that he > wants to put the Santana six cylinder in his NADA. Does anyone > know of any speciality shops in Spain or elsewhere that could > be contacted to purchase an engine or I might try an obtain > the santana front radiator support as pictured on page 149 > of the same Nov. issue. > Last question - we both want to use 3.54 Salisbury axles from > stage I Series III V8s. > Thanks, > R&D > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 09:34:17 -0800 > From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool) > Subject: Re: Wide wheels and tyres > > Mark asks: > >I wnat to put 16 X 7 white spokes on my Land Rover, anyone recommend any good > >wheels and possibly tyres (TIRES) to fit on them. I was thinking BF Goodrich > >all terrain. Any used those ? Anyone have an idealy of the widest tyre that > >will fit on a 7" rim ? I was thinking 265x70 > none > > Yes, this is the size used on the U.S.-spec Defender 90. Also, 235/85 and > 255/85 will fit just fine. Or, you could get really crazy and fit 9.00x16 > Michelin XCLs, truly the mud tyres from hell. Note also that the stock > five-slot steel Land-Rover Discovery wheels (stock, that is, on older > euro-spec Discoveries) will work, can be bought used semi-reasonably from > England, and look much more "Roverly" than the American-type white-spoke > wheels. There are suppliers in the U.S. from which you can get white spoke > and probably white "modular"-style wheels but I don't know who they are. > Jackman used to make these wheels for Rovers but I don't know who handles > that line anymore, if anyone. Check with some of the big wheel suppliers > who advertise in the American four-wheel drive magazines. From some of > these, you can get package deals with the tires already mounted for a pretty > good price. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > [ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ] > [ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ] > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 09:34:02 -0800 > From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool) > Subject: Thor hubs > > Fellow Netters: > > A Land-Rover that I purchased recently is equipped with some strange-looking > hubs, with no "obvious" (that is, on the face) mechanism to allow you to > engage or disengage them. So I cleaned one up for a closer look. On the > face, spaced through the six attachment bolts, are the following words: > THOR Automotive Products, Colorado Springs, Colorado. The face is flat, > except for a slight bulge in the center. The body, including the face > plate, is about 2" deep. The sides are smooth but a careful look shows a > large, flush, slotted screw-head with a dimple on one side. Stamped into > the hub are the words "In" and, 180 degrees away, "Out." So it appears that > turning the "screw" will engage or disengage the hub. Until I found that > little "screw," I thought that they must be automatic hubs. > > I have never seen such hubs before, has anyone else out there? Does anyone > know if they are indeed automatic? Is there a special tool for operating > that "screw" on the side (appears that it would be pretty hard to get at it > with a screwdriver, especially if you had wide wheels). > > I wonder how many kinds of hubs there have been to fit the series > Land-Rovers? Quite a few, apparently! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > [ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ] > [ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ] > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 09:59:04 -0800 > From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" > Subject: Re: Common parts > > In message <199412041556.AA08052@interserv.com> writes: > > All, > > Land Rover reversing lights are the same as MGB's. Also, the lamp assemblies > [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)] > > Rovers > > Mark > > Also, the Luca panel switches available for the TR3, is a better quality look > alike to the push - pull switches on the earlier series IIa. The license plate > lamp on my IIa is the same as is on my TR3 and many other British cars. Then of > course there are the solder on bullit connectors & thier barrel connectors. > The fuse block is the same on my Land Rover, MGBGT and TR3. I suspect the > solinoid is the same accross generator equipped cars. > > TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world > twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 10:07:56 -0800 > From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" > Subject: Re: equipment > > so do I have the only Land Rover on the list that has a Vancouver winch made in > Vancouver B.C.??? > > It was on the LR when I purchased it, and I suspect was put on when she still > lived in Canada. I don't know what the rating of this winch is, but I have > never seen it stall. > > TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world > twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards > > > > > ------------------------------ > > From: costales@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (Bryan Costales) > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:16:35 -0800 > Subject: Sought: Tilley heater/lamp > > I am trying to locate a Tilley kerosene heater/lamp. It is a pump-up > base, with interchangable heads. One for the heater, one for the lamp. > A reflector is also available. > > I believe they are manufactured in either England or Canada. They definitely > do not appear to be available here in the U.S.A. Any suggestions > will help. The manufactur's phone or fax number would be ideal. I > am even willing to buy a used one. > > I no longer subscribe to this list (preparing for vacation), so please > reply directly to me at: > > costales@icsi.berkeley.edu > > -- > Bryan Costales -- Systems Manager, International Computer Science Institute > Internet: bcx@icsi.berkeley.edu BITNET: bcx@ucbicsi > 37 degrees 52.193 minutes north by 122 degrees 16.277 minutes west > URL: http://www.icsi.berkeley.edu/~costales/ > > ------------------------------ > > From: YVES1@delphi.com > Date: Mon, 05 Dec 1994 13:31:38 -0500 (EST) > Subject: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest > > > > I'm *drooling*! From the article, it sounds like they've sorta made the > > Rover a stock conversion. Anyone know what they want for it? (he says > [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)] > > >is also a friend of the guy I was just doing EV work for). Roger has his > > >contract info, etc... > > Hmmmmm..... wonder if Joseph V. Lucas is doing the wiring on this? > > Yves Albert (Al {"Al"}) Feder > Yves1@Delphi.com > At the Big Red House On Top of the Hill > Radio W1EOX AM/FM/SSB/CW/TCP-IP > Home of Tiny Radio Theatre, KA1RJS, AND > Eric, the Mad Megalomaniac Bull Cavy > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 10:49:28 PST > From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn) > Subject: Re: Diff. Oil Change > > If it's the same as an RR, you can use a 1/2 inch socket drive (which > is so close to 13 mm it doesn't matter). > > John Brabyn > 89RR > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Harry's Plugged > Date: Mon, 05 Dec 1994 10:49:29 -0800 > From: Benjamin Allan Smith > > Bill Maloney wrote: > > > Take your 1/2" ratchet (a short extension might be helpful), stick the end in > > the hole and turn counter clockwise. Actually, I'm glad you brought this up. > > I know a lot of other SERIES LAND ROVER owners who DON'T change their diff > > oil. EVER. Even after years of repeated wading. Gads! Those HOOLIGANS > > could LEARN something from you :-). > > Wow, for once I can take the moral high ground. I was a good boy. > On Friday my 88 got 7 new quarts of 10w-30, a new Fram Ph-8A oil filter > and about a gallon and a half of new 90w. I drained and refilled the both > diffs, both swivel balls, gearbox, transfer case and overdrive. Now it > will be alot easier for everyone to track me because there is more oil to > leak out. > > Now lets see if I can remember to drain and refill all the gear oil > in 9000 miles... > > -Benjamin Smith > ---------------- > Science Applications Internation Corporation > China Lake Naval Air Weapons Center > bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil > 1972 Land Rover Series III 88 > > ------------------------------ > > From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) > Subject: Re: Harry's Plugged > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 14:17:20 -0500 (EST) > > > Now lets see if I can remember to drain and refill all the gear oil > > in 9000 miles... > > There is incentive to get the water out before winter here. If > you don't, you need another 4x4 to tow you about while you > try to break the ice up in the diff. There are a number of > diffs about here with dent marks on the backing plate pushing > *out*. > > Rgds, > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 11:20:27 PST > From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn) > Subject: New Range Rover and Range Rover Classic > > I have just read the reports on the new RR in Four Wheeler and 4WD & Off-Road > magazines (which were a month later than Car & Driver to have a report!!). A > couple of bits of info were added to previous reports; > > 1. LRNA will continue to import the old RR in the 100 inch wheelbase version > as the "Range Rover Classic". This model will have the new interior recently > introduced on the County LWB, and the air suspension & traction control. > > (It will have the 3.9 engine) > > 2. The US version of the new RR will only have the 4.0 litre engine, not > the top-of-the-line 4.5. The 4.0 is 190 bhp and 236 lb-ft. > > 3. The four wheeler editors think the off road capoability of the new RR > is "not much" compromised. The under chassis ground clearance is less, > dep[arture angle less, and expected suspension flex (ramp travel index) > less than the "Classic" style. The approach angle with spoiler is slightly > better. > > FYI > > Cheers > > John Brabyn > Mill Valley, Ca > 89RR > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Harry's Plugged > Date: Mon, 05 Dec 1994 12:27:07 -0800 > From: Benjamin Allan Smith > > I wrote: > > > Now lets see if I can remember to drain and refill all the gear oil > > > in 9000 miles... > > Dixon wrote: > > There is incentive to get the water out before winter here. If > > you don't, you need another 4x4 to tow you about while you > > try to break the ice up in the diff. There are a number of > > diffs about here with dent marks on the backing plate pushing > > *out*. > > The possibility of getting water in the diffs from wading (not that > I'm currently in any danger of this--being that I live in the desert) has > cause me to think that I might be a good idea to replace the axle breather > with a piece of tubing that goes up at least as high as the hardtop/load > bead boundary. That way the breather won't rust shut or let water in. > > Having water freeze in your diff would really suck. It ranks up > there with a story related to me by a friend. My friend grew up in > Anchorage, Alaska and related to me that you had to be careful where > you parked your car. He mention that at school one day a kid parked > his pickup with the front tyres in puddles of water. The puddles froze > overnight. The next day the kid jumped in the truck (and after stating it) > slammed it into gear and gave it a lot of wellie. The tyres shattered/ripped. > > -Benjamin Smith > ---------------- > Science Applications Internation Corporation > China Lake Naval Air Weapons Center > bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil > 1972 Land Rover Series III 88 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 14:09:13 -0800 (PST) > From: Morgan Hannaford > Subject: LPS ingredient > > I got out my chem. text and unabridged dictionary and found the > following: > > aliphatic hydrocarbons = fancy name for parrafin/wax type stuff > > Ciao, > Morgan > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 05 Dec 94 15:07:54 MST > From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV > Subject: CD player for Discovery. :( > > FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov > Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics > PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 > SUBJECT: CD player for Discovery. :( > Thanks for all your input! The bottom line is Land Rover changes the > "standard" interface so that none but their own systems will integrate > with the head stereo unit. Thanks Jeff Layton for the tip on > Crutchfields, they ARE very helpful (especially Sharon ;) ) Sharon > checked with their R/D department on this before she called me back to > give me the bad news. > > Now, the choices are: $580 for a "factory" unit from Atlantic British or > LRNA. or $400-$500 for a FM modulated unit. > > Does anyone have an FM modulated unit? How good are they??? Any > recommendations? > > #=====# Never doubt that a small group of individuals > |___|__\___ can change the world... indeed, it's the only > | _ | |_ | thing that ever has. > "(_)""""(_)" -Margaret Mead > > ------------------------------ > > From: "Russell G. Dushin" > Subject: Re: LPS ingredient > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 18:52:59 EST > > > I got out my chem. text and unabridged dictionary and found the > > following: > [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)] > > Ciao, > > Morgan > > Yeah, ok, we'll take that too. The term is about as vague as you > can get, and encompasses everything from methane to parrafin. > Typically (ie to a chemist), an aliphatic hydrocarbon refers to > so-called "lower alkanes" like the solvents I stated earlier, but > you are certainly right-it could also mean "higher alkanes" like > parrafin as well. Sorry, I should have had a more "open mind". > (Maybe I'm just subconsciously trying to convince myself that it > was ok to dump sixty bucks worth of british goop on nigel's > tummy.) > > So maybe it does have wax in it.....perhaps we can get you to do > a taste test?? (Hint: have the Scotch close at hand). > > yum, > rd/nigel > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 19:39:07 -0500 (EST) > From: "Hal A. Lightwood" > Subject: starter again > > Well I put new lock washers on, and made sure everything was nice and > tight, and yet again, my starter has jarred loose and jammed in the > flywheel. Except this time, the starter casing has cracked. I don't > understand why this would happen, and I am afraid to put a new starter in > if this is going to continue for fear of wrecking it as well. > > Does anybody have any idea why this is happening? I am SURE it wasn't the > lock washers, I put brand new ones on. > > Hal A. Lightwood > > ------------------------------ > > From: Brian_Foster_at_ASTISHR@ccmailsmtp.ast.com > Date: Mon, 05 Dec 94 17:14:19 PST > Subject: VIRUS ALERT (fwd) > > Thought you'd appreciate knowing about this... seems to be true. > ===================================================================== > best wishes, drive well, be fast, & tread lightly (boy am I confused!)... > Brian > 88 Land Rover Range Rover > 74 BMW 2002Tii > 64 Porsche 356SC > 61 BMW 600 (<= Still for sale) > Editor, "Fahren Affairs" (newsletter of the San Diego BMW CCA) > Rancho Santa Margarita, CA > 714/727-8036 : 8A-5P PST > 714/455-3560 : Personal E-mail, leave message anytime > brian.foster@ast.com : Internet > > Nothing I say reflects the views or opinions of AST Research, Inc. > ===================================================================== > ______________________________ Forward Header > __________________________________ > Subject: VIRUS ALERT (fwd) > Author: Janice Hecksel at ASTISHR > Date: 12/5/94 5:02 PM > > Nicole M. Roseberry > nicmrose@wam.umd.edu > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 04 Dec 1994 10:12:55 > -0500 > From: Germaine Warkentin > > A virus is circulating on the Internet. If you receive a message with > the header "xxx-1" DO NOT READ IT. Delete immediately or your disk will > require treatment by a virus-scanner. I have had two copies of this > message this morning (Sunday) already, but was warned by an early > morning phone call from a friend who got hit. > > ****************************************************************************** > Germaine Warkentin warkent@epas.utoronto.ca English, Victoria College, > University of Toronto > ********************************************************************** > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 03:03:33 +0200 (METDST) > From: S|ren Vels Christensen > Subject: Re: starter again > > On Mon, 5 Dec 1994, Hal A. Lightwood wrote: > > > Well I put new lock washers on, and made sure everything was nice and > > tight, and yet again, my starter has jarred loose and jammed in the > [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)] > > lock washers, I put brand new ones on. > > Hal A. Lightwood > > Hal, > > OK, i'm not much of a starter wiz so i haven't been following the thread. > Anyway you might appreciate a layman's 2c worth. > > Did you dismantle the starter earlier? Did everything look symmetric? With > all that copperwire and magnets inside and with the rotation speed of a > starter, even a little lopside will make the starter want to get out of the > casing, like a maniac in a loonysuit. Does the axle fit the bearings? If > not, a tooth on the starter pinion might land on a tooth on the starter ring. > Perhaps it might also happen if pinion and ring are badly worn. > And the silly question: Does the ignition key return immediately when you > start? > > Perhaps some experienced expert will comment (out) the above. At least to > limit the possibilities. > > Good luck > > +----------------------------+--------------------------------+ > | Soren Vels | 1976 sIII 109" 2.25 petrol | > | velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk | "Lawrence of Arabia" | ((|||)) > | Royal Danish Air Force | Dansk Land-Rover Klub no. 3564 | ((|||)) > | Communications Specialist | DL-RK: Approx. 1000 members. | ((|||)) > +----------------------------+--------------------------------+__((|||))______ > > ------------------------------ > > From: jpappa01@interserv.com > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 18:21:24 -0800 > Subject: DEFENDER 90 HARDTOP > > DEFENDER 90 HARDTOPS NOW IN STOCK... ALLOCATION IS ONLY 5 TOPS/DEALER/MONTH > FOR THE SHORT TERM! PART # LRNA90HTOP (can -u- figger dat one out?) at a > counter price of $2090.00! > FIRST FIVE TOPS ALREADY SPOKEN FOR AND CURRENTLY HAVE (yes, another one to go > along with DISCOVERY and RANGE ROVER 4.0 SE) A WAITING LIST! > > regards - > JIMBO > jpappa01@interserv.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 19:23:25 -0800 > From: Roger Sinasohn > Subject: Re: RE: Ascii Rovers > > Granville made some nice mods to my ascii attempts and wrote... > >And, I gotta say, I admire and applaud your work! Improving or enhancing it > >was a lot harder than it looked! > > You did some nice work on it! (I've got it saved.) > > >Do you really have three door hinges? Mrs. Gord'n Perrott, dba Stephanie > >Cshing, had that set-up and used the two bottom ones with a normal > [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > >and out of the used parts bin. Do you take your top off and use a tailgate > >similarly? > > Well, actually, I only have two for now. I *do* plan on getting a third, > however. That and diamond plate for the back, and move the tire holder up a > bit. A standard Scotty-mod. That strengthens the door so you can hang a > tire on it without warping it, and gets it out of the way of the tow ball. > > I've not done the tailgate bit, but I have seen it (I think Dan Dachel of > Wellington Rovers had one) and it is really nice. I would like to do that > with my 88" if I can convince my brother/girlfriend to let me put a pickup > top on it. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad > sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." > Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates > San Francisco, California > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 19:23:39 -0800 > From: Roger Sinasohn > Subject: Re: Rita, Rita, (Kilo)Metre Maid > > Michael Loiodice pointed out the familial navigational problems... > >So Roger... this east-west mixed up thing runs in the family, eh? > >Roger sez... > [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)] > >> pointed in the right direction? > >If she's heading EAST on 80 we'll be sure to get her turned around!! > > But really, I have an excellent sense of direction! Honest! I knew exactly > where I was that 4th of July weekend... > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad > sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." > Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates > San Francisco, California > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 19:23:36 -0800 > From: Roger Sinasohn > Subject: Ascii Rovers - Old & New (Long) > > Here's what I have so far... If someone knows how to send this to the web, > I'd appreciate it... There's a couple of new ones I worked up this weekend > at the end. > > /==============\ > | | | > [|______|_______|] > /___/^^^^^^\___\ > |(@) [####] (@)| > | o [####] o | > ======%%%%====== > {*}={&&}====={*} > {*} {*} > > =====__ > |[__]|_\_==_ > | | ] > (@)-----(@) > > #=====# > |___|__\___ > | | | | > " "`O'""""`O'" > > # # # # # # # # # # # # # >> ================\ > "YOU MUsT REMEMBER THIS" |----------||@ \\ ___ > *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* |____|_____|||_/_\\_|___|_ > It ain't nezezzarily so! <| ___\ || | ____ | --->>Elysium > ++++++++++ <| / |___||_____|/ | | > = = = = = = = = = = = = = >> ||/ O |__________/ O |_|| > jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu \___/ LAND ROVER \___/ > > /~~~~~~//~~~~~~~/ @ > / // / _/~\/ 67-RED 109" > []]]]]]]]]]]------/ _| ROADSTER PICKUP > []]]]]]]]]]]=======|_____========((==| WITH A GUMMY MAN > ____=========_____------| | | IN THE BACK > | |/|@) (@| | | | | > | ** |/| || | * * | ___ | | __ | > | |/||||||| |{ \____|_____/ \ | > |____|/|_____|_____|[ }\_________} ]\_|| > |___________________|[ } |[ ] > \ / \ \ / \\ } > ~~~~ ~ ~~~ ~~~ > > .________________._____ > /~~~~~~~//~~~~~~~~//~~~~~| > / // // | > /_\.___ //__ \.___//_______| > O [%%%%%%%%%] O=====] |[_______] > __\__ ===========___/_ --------}========================== > |** |/|(@ ## (@| **| | []| |) > | |/| ###### | | _____ | | ___ | > |_____|/|_######_|____ |/_ _ \}_______|________/_ _\ |. > |________________________| \ \_______________// \\ / > |%{ @ } |%{ @ } |%{ @ } > \%\ / \%\ / \%\ / > ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ > > 1966 Land Rover Series IIA 109" > > ================\ > |----------||@ \\ ___ > |____|_____|||_/_\\_|___|_ > <| ___\ || | ____ | > <| / |___||_____|/ | | > ||/ O |__________/ O |_|| > \___/ LAND ROVER \___/ > > ______ > |______\_____ > *--- [|_/-\____/-\_|} > *--- (O) (O) > > (For those who's Rover only runs half the time...) > ___________________ > ___________ \ > _________ \________|, > \ | .---. | > |'%,| | | > | | | | | > | | | | | ,---, > ----------' | `---' |/'---' > |-------`, > '%, | > | (o) | > ---. | (o) | > O | | | > O | | | > ---' '%, | > ____________|________| > _____,-----------'~~~~ > | \~/ | > |_____| > > .---------------------------------. > / ___________________ \ > ,|________/ _______________ \________|, > | .---. | / \ | .---. | > | | | | | |'%,| | | > | | | | | | | | | | > ,---, | | | | | | | | | | ,---, > `---'\| `---' | `-----------------' | `---' |/'---' > ,'-------| ___ |-------`, > | | /__,| '%, | > | (o) | `---' | (o) | > | (o) | .-----. | (o) | > |.------.| | O | | | > ||INDY 1|| | O O | | | > |`------'| `-----' '%, | > |________|_____________________|________| > ~~~~'----------,_________,----------'~~~~ > | \~/ | | \~/ | > |_____| |_____| > > .---------------------------------. > / ___________________ \ > ,|________/ _______________ \________|, > | .---. | / \ | .---. | > | | | | | |'%,| | | > | | | | | | | | | | > ,---, | | | | | | | | | | ,---, > `---'\| `---' | `-----------------' | `---' |/'---' > ,'-------| ___ |-------`, > | | /__,| '%, | > | (o) | `---' | (o) | > | (o) | .-----. | (o) | > |.------.| | O | | | > ||INDY 1|| | O O | | | > |`------'| `-----' '%, | > |________|_____________________|________| > ~~~~'----------,_________,----------'~~~~ > | \~/ |~~~~~~~~~~~~~\_____/~~~~~| \~/ | > | \~/ | ~ | \~/ | > | \~/ | | \~/ | > \_____/ \_____/ > > .---------------------------------. > / ___________________ \ > ,|________/ _______________ \________|, > | .---. | / \ | .---. | > | | | | | |'%,| | | > | | | | | | | | | | > ,---, | | | | | | | | | | ,---, > `---'\| `---' | `-----------------' | `---' |/'---' > ,'=======| ___ |=======`, > |(o) | /__,| '%, (o)| > |(o) | `---' _____ | (o)| > |.------.| | O | | || > ||INDY 1|| | O O | | (GB) || > |`------'| `-----' '%, || > ||_______|_____________________|_______|| > \ ( ) | _ | / > \~~~~'----------,|'-'|----,------'~~~~/ > |\\~//|_~~~~~~~~~'~~~.___/~~~~~_|\\~//| > |\\~//| |\\~//| > |_\_/_| |_\_/_| > > Some 109" side views... > > o > .----------------------------------......._____ | > |______________________________________________`_, | > | .--------------..--------------. |.----------,\ | > | | || | || \\ | > | | || | || \\ | > | | || | || \\|_ > | `--------------''--------------' || \\/ .---------. > |____________________________________||_______________\\_(_________)_ > | .---. .---. | `%,------------~-. > | |(O)| |(O)| | __ | | > (| `---' `---' | (- \ | |) > (| | ~~ | | > | | | | > | __,---,__ | `%, __,---,__ |_ > =|______// \\___________________|_________________|__// \\__|_] > | .-. | | .-. | > | `-' | | `-' | > \_ _/ \_ _/ > `---' `---' > > o-----------o-----------o-----------o------------o > |___________|___________|___________|____________| o > |-----------|-----------|----------.|....._____ | | > |___________|___________|___________|__________`_| | > | .--------------..--------------. |.----------,\ | > | | || | || \\ | > | | || | || \\ | > | | || | || \\|_ > | `--------------''--------------' || \\/ .---------. > |____________________________________||_______________\\_(_________)_ > | .---. .---. | `%,------------~-. > | |(O)| |(O)| | __ | | > (| `---' `---' | (- \ | |) > (| | ~~ | | > | | | | > | __,---,__ | `%, __,---,__ |_ > =|______// \\___________________|_________________|__// \\__|_] > | .-. | | .-. | > | `-' | | `-' | > \_ _/ \_ _/ > `---' `---' > > o > _.-------._ | > /___________\ | > :.----------,\ | > || \\ | > || \\ | > || \\|_ > || \\/ .---------. > .____________________________________||_______________\\_(_________)_ > | .---. .---. | `%,------------~-. > | |(O)| |(O)| | __ | | > (| `---' `---' | (- \ | |) > (| | ~~ | | > | | | | > | __,---,__ | `%, __,---,__ |_ > =|______// \\___________________|_________________|__// \\__|_] > | .-. | | .-. | > | `-' | | `-' | > \_ _/ \_ _/ > `---' `---' > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad > sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." > Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates > San Francisco, California > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 19:24:00 -0800 > From: Roger Sinasohn > Subject: Re: Electric Land-Rovers > > I wrote... > >I found two copies of _Electric_Car_ magazine at the magazine *kiosk* (near > >the food court) in Serramonte Shopping Center. One is mine, the other is > >available for whoever wants it for cover cost + shipping. > > If you don't want the whole magazine, with colour photo, I can fax a copy to > whoever wants one. > > Lemme know... > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad > sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." > Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates > San Francisco, California > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 19:23:41 -0800 > From: Roger Sinasohn > Subject: Re: REDLINE FOR A 2/14 PETROL IN A 1971 > > The Tach on my 109" was set with the redline at about 3000. Scotty said it > could run a lot higher than that, so I keep it around there. Around 3100 = > 70mph so I'm happy. Usually on the freeway, I go between 2800 - 3100 (except > going uphill) in 4th/OD. I've gotten it up to 3700-3800 by accident a few > times (enjoying the scenery and not paying attention to my speed) and it > doesn't sound terrible, but it worries me. (Probably more than the rover.) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad > sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." > Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates > San Francisco, California > > ------------------------------ > > From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) > Subject: Re: starter again > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 22:55:39 -0500 (EST) > > > Does anybody have any idea why this is happening? I am SURE it wasn't the > > lock washers, I put brand new ones on. > > You changed the washers and now after running the engine the casing > has cracked? This is the right starter right? The only way that > the case could be cracked is if it was not on flush thus not > disengaging properly. You have the right flywheel and bellhousing? > This should not be happening. > > > > ------------------------------ > > From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) > Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT (fwd) > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 23:05:17 -0500 (EST) > > > Thought you'd appreciate knowing about this... seems to be true. > > > A virus is circulating on the Internet. If you receive a message with > > the header "xxx-1" DO NOT READ IT. Delete immediately or your disk will > > require treatment by a virus-scanner. I have had two copies of this > > message this morning (Sunday) already, but was warned by an early > > morning phone call from a friend who got hit. > > Being no UNIX expert, but rather familiar with DOS having a message > with a virus string contained within it is not going to infect > your system. All a mail reader will do is read text and display > it on the screen. You are not executing this series of assembler > commands. (Besides, how will this string fuck up my DOS based > machine at home, my UNIX box at work, my Micro-Vax VMS system at > my friends house all at once? It can't) > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 16:54:14 +1100 > From: lloyd@indy14.cs.monash.edu.au (Lloyd Allison) > > Someone was asking about L-R seatbelts a little while back. > This is related - > > ... > A little over a year later [ie 1949 ish] the first Land-Rover arrived > [on] the Snowy Mountains Hydro ELectric Scheme. > ... > Also this was the 1st time that Australian engineers started to influence > the design of 4WD products from Solihull. In fact by 1961 the entire > fleet had been fitted with seatbelts - a world first. > ... > > from `In the Beginning' by B. Woodward > National Four Wheeler 6(2) p21 Winter 1994 > > Lloyd > Dept. of Computer Science, Monash University, Clayton, Victoria 3168, AUSTRALIA > tel: 61 3 905 5205 fax: 61 3 905 5146 email: lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au > > ------------------------------ > > From: LANDROVER@delphi.com > Date: Tue, 06 Dec 1994 01:52:25 -0500 (EST) > Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Dige > > Robert sez... > > > In search of Series III V8 components... > > Well after making the Atlanta trip with a 2.25 powered 109 towing a > [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)] > > Since the vehicle was a four cylinder a little extra space will be > > required. I've seen the conversion John Door did and was impressed > > Robert.. > Did you consider using a GM V-6??? I think it's the same bolt pattern and > it's a much shorter engine.. Pretty smooth motor, to boot. > > Cheers > Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com > 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 > Gloversville > NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) > 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol > #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol > > ------------------------------ > > From: LANDROVER@delphi.com > Date: Tue, 06 Dec 1994 01:52:14 -0500 (EST) > Subject: Re: Selling my 109 ? > > Another one bites the dust... > > Stefan sez... > > > > Stefan: still haven't sold that LHD SIII eh ? > > ...well, no. And now, after the first 'V8-euphoria' has settled, I don't > > think I will. Ok, a S.III 109 4-cyl. and a '87 RR EFi are two different > none > --snip-- > > much: The Range, with all its perfection, comfort and power, doesn't have > > nearly the charm, charisma and spirit of the 109. The Range doesn't > > have... > > a soul! Like with the 109, I would sometimes talk to it, either angry if > --snip-- > > machine! Say what you like, a Range (or Disco, for that matter) simply > > doesn't have, and never will have, the 'personality' of a Series. This > > has > > nothing to do with performance, or durability, or corrosion or whatever, > --snip-- > > Aye, laddie... it's a sickness.. it burrows deep into yer brain, yer soul > and yer pocketbook.. This love of old, leaky, rattling machines.. You dream > of them at night... In the dead of winter when the snow is deep you'll be > bringing pieces of it into the house to be disassembled on the kitchen table. > Soon, you'll be hoarding spare parts under your bed... Then you'll find > another Series truck for sale and you'll do everything but sell the children > to get it... And another... and another... > > Ain't it great?? > > Cheers > Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com > 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 > Gloversville > NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) > 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol > #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol > > ------------------------------ > > END OF LAND ROVER OWNER DIGEST > > Subscription Information: > > To find out more about the list, send a message to > > majordomo@chunnel.uk.stratus.com > > with the text: > info lro-digest > > If you want to know more about what majordomo can do for you, send > the text 'help'. (text is in the message not the Subject line) > > Other basic operations are: > help > subscribe lro-digest > subscribe lro-digest user@host.domain > unsubscribe lro-digest > unsubscribe lro-digest user@host.domain > > * All new subscription requests are being handled by the digest. * > > In addition so subscribing and unsubscribing, the Frequently Asked > Questions (FAQ) file and the last month of daily digests may be retrieved > (by mail) from majordomo@chunnel.uk.stratus.com > > Useful commands for this are 'index lro-digest' which returns a list of > files available, as well as 'get lro-digest ', etc. > > World Wide Web Sites: > http://whitman.gar.utexas.edu/roverweb/roverweb.html > http://www.cs.monash.edu.au/~lloyd/tildeLand-Rover/ > > If majordomo barfs at something, and you're convinced he should have > understood what you sent him, contact majordomo-owner@chunnel.uk.stratus.com > -B > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Return-Path: > Received: from transfer.stratus.com by East.Pima.EDU (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; > Tue, 06 Dec 1994 01:19:04 MST > Received: from chunnel.uk.stratus.com (chunnel.uk.stratus.com [198.115.7.11]) > by transfer.stratus.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA02021; Tue, 6 > Dec 1994 03:16:10 -0500 > Received: (from root@localhost) by chunnel.uk.stratus.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) id > HAA04885 for lro-digest-outgoing; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 07:55:31 GMT > Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 07:55:31 GMT > From: owner-lro-digest@uk.stratus.com > Message-ID: <199412060755.HAA04885@chunnel.uk.stratus.com> > To: LRO-Digest@uk.stratus.com > Subject: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest > Reply-To: Land-Rover-Owner@Team.Net > Errors-To: Owner-Land-Rover-Owner@Team.Net > X-List-Admin-to: Land-Rover-Owner-Request@Team.Net > X-Digest-Admin-to: MajorDomo@Chunnel.UK.Stratus.Com > X-Comment: Not affiliated with the magazine of similar name. > Organization: Team.Net > Distribution: world > Precedence: bulk get lro-digest From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 17:30:41 1994 From: Craig Murray Subject: Sound deadening To: lro@team.net Date: Wed, 7 Dec 94 10:04:56 EDT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: O X-Status: Hi all, Does any one know what sort of material I should use for sound deadening (Spelling?) as you can really tell that there are second hand gears in my gearbox, its so loud that you can only just hear the diesel! The material would preferably not rot, as I wish to put it on the underneath of the transmission tunnel, and maybe the seat box, so it does not look like I have any sound deadening, any thoughts or ideas, not matter how stupid or erelevant(spelling?) will be welcomed, as once I get rid of the gearbox whine, I will only probably hear the whir from the tires, which can be solved by putting a floor mat in the load space in the back, I hope! And since I can't hear my motor for the gear box, I have one for members of the oily wad club, how noisey is the 2.25 diesel when sitting on about 50MPH with out an overdrive, as I can't hear it! -- ============================================================================== Craig Murray 1955 Series 1 86" LROC of Victoria Australia 2.25 diesel LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia I slow on hills! email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au but not of my own will From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 17:31:03 1994 Posted-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 15:17:26 -0800 To: lro@team.net Subject: Re: Sound deadening In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 07 Dec 1994 10:04:56 EDT." <9412062304.AA28517@emu.ocs.cpsg.com.au> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 1994 15:17:20 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Status: O X-Status: Craig Murry wrote: > Does any one know what sort of material I should use for sound > deadening (Spelling?) as you can really tell that there are second hand > gears in my gearbox, its so loud that you can only just hear the diesel! What I did for my 88 petrol was cut some pieces of old carpet to fit on the floor boards of the front and over the transmission hump. I also cut the carpet to fit in back. This carpet is not tacked down, it just has holes for things like gearshift levers and gravity to holds it in place. Now, my Rover is not quiet, but it is much quieter. Now I can hold decent conversations up to ~40 mph with the hardtop on. I've had this in for about 2.5 years, and the carpet has gotten soaked repeatedly and not rotted yet. You could buy the rubber floor mats, but that would cost $$$ -Benjamin Smith ---------------- Science Applications Internation Corporation China Lake Naval Air Weapons Center bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil 1972 Land Rover Series III 88 From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 18:09:22 1994 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 94 10:51:12 +1100 From: lloyd@indy14.cs.monash.edu.au (Lloyd Allison) To: lro@team.net Status: O X-Status: Ascii-Art and the WWW: I have saved it for www-posterity in the directory LRO Together with a few other things from the mailing list that I think have "lasting value" - I hope nobody minds? I do not want to set up a full archive site particularly. [As I recall, 110s and presumably 90s have 3 hinges on the SW-style rear door. It is not a trivial matter to add a 3rd hinge to an earlier model as the frame should be strengthened to prevent the bolts from crushing it, no?] L-R Fire-Engines: Does anyone have a `gif' (or a photo that they would loan me) of a L-R fire-engine - without copyright problems - please? Lloyd Dept. of Computer Science, Monash University, Clayton, Victoria 3168, AUSTRALIA tel: 61 3 905 5205 fax: 61 3 905 5146 email: lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au Land-Rover From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 18:29:30 1994 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 16:06:03 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Reply-To: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: dkenner@emr.ca, Brad_Krohn@ccm2.hf.intel.com, Brad@apple.com, Krohn@apple.com, lro@stratus.com Subject: Re: Lug wrench Status: O X-Status: In message <9412062131.AA10390@emr1.emr.ca> Dixon Kenner writes: > > I know this is silly, but I'm having absolutely no luck finding a plain > > ol' lug wrench that's big enough for those monster LR nuts. My only > > options seem to be over-priced: mail order or the hardware store's > > much-too-fancy 1/2" drive with a 1 1/16" socket. > > Hmmm, I have never actually looked for a lug wrench for the > wheel nuts. I would have thought they were available. Myself, > I have a 3/4" drive & socket for them. Generally nasty little > things that don't like to co-operate. This approach solved > that (and a piece of pipe sometimes...) > > The X type lug wrenches that fit the large Land Rover nuts must be available.. I have one in my 109. I purchased it soon after I got the car in '78. Try a place that caters to the pickup & 4X4 crowd. They might have a bigger size. TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 19:02:12 1994 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 16:36:21 -0800 To: lro@team.net From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell) Subject: Re: Lug wrench Status: O X-Status: >In message <9412062131.AA10390@emr1.emr.ca> Dixon Kenner writes: >> > I know this is silly, but I'm having absolutely no luck finding a plain >> > ol' lug wrench that's big enough for those monster LR nuts. My only >> > options seem to be over-priced: mail order or the hardware store's >> > much-too-fancy 1/2" drive with a 1 1/16" socket. >> >> Hmmm, I have never actually looked for a lug wrench for the >> wheel nuts. I would have thought they were available. Myself, >> I have a 3/4" drive & socket for them. Generally nasty little >> things that don't like to co-operate. This approach solved >> that (and a piece of pipe sometimes...) >> >> > >The X type lug wrenches that fit the large Land Rover nuts must be >available.. I >have one in my 109. I purchased it soon after I got the car in '78. Try a >place that caters to the pickup & 4X4 crowd. They might have a bigger size. I bought an X type lug wrench for my rover last year at a good autoparts store in Rocester, NY, USA. It was the first place I tried... jory From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 19:02:31 1994 From: Russell Burns Subject: Re: question for 90 owners To: bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil (Benjamin Allan Smith) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 16:41:19 PST Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <199412062157.NAA23863@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>; from "Benjamin Allan Smith" at Dec 6, 94 1:57 pm Status: O X-Status: > > In message <9412062135.AA10855@emr1.emr.ca>you write: > > > When the US 90s first got the US, I compared it to my SIII. Assuming > > > Never really looked at the roll bar closely. Is it mounted on > > top of the box like the old military roll bars, or does it go > > into and through the box to the frame area? If mounted on top > > of the box, removal would be as easy as you say. In fact if > > you really wanted to keep a rool bar, find a military one that > > fits under the 88 hard top and put it on. > > The rollbar is bolted on in front near the windscreen and behind the > front seats to provide a roll cage. I assume they strengthened the areas > that they bolted to (not just bolted to aluminum panels). The military > roll bars that I have seen were just a and upsidedown U that was fitted just > behind the front seats. > The front mount point is to the front bulkhead. The center hoop is quite impressive, as it is a square design which is bolted to the top of the frame. It actually continues under the scuttle to form a continues loop. the rear hoop is mounted to the rear cross member. I suppose if the body became disconnected from the Frame the center roll bar would still provide some protection. Russ From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Dec 6 19:02:41 1994 From: "Rostykus, John" To: LRO List Subject: Re: Lug wrench Date: Tue, 06 Dec 94 16:42:00 PST Encoding: 11 TEXT Status: O X-Status: >The X type lug wrenches that fit the large Land Rover nuts must be >available.. I too found one at our local 'B&B Auto parts'. It fits the lug nuts on both the 109 & RR - quite handy. I think this was the first 'tool' I acquired after my first LR purchase. Rosty john@data-io.com From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Wed Dec 7 08:06:07 1994 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 18:57:03 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: lro@stratus.com Subject: New Rangie in BritCar Mag Status: O X-Status: FYI... The new Range Rover will be featured in the next (Jan '95) issue of British Car magazine. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Wed Dec 7 08:06:57 1994 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 22:11:05 -0600 (CST) From: David John Place To: Mike Fredette Cc: Dixon Kenner , Mike Fredette , lro@stratus.com, mfredett@ichips.intel.com Subject: Re: question for 90 owners In-Reply-To: <9412061847.AA21954@pdx242.intel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I was at an unveiling of the new dealership for Land Rover in Manitoba and I ran across Mr Manesey (sp?) fro Land Rover Canada. I asked about the roll bar on the Defender and he told me it was because the U.S. is litigation crazy and even though the vehicle met the standards without it they wanted to make sure they had a safe vehicle. I think he or the service manager told me that the 88 hardtop will fit the Defender with the roll bar off. By the way, Land Rover Canada provided a very nice keepsake to the invited guests at this opening. They were candy dishes with tops. The dish says Land Rover on one side and Birchwood Motors on the other. There is a tight fitting lid and it is filled with candy. Maybe your dealer has something similar for you collectors out there. If not try getting in touch with Land Rover Canada. There were hundreds at this opening and lots were left over. I only took one because I didn't see the logo till I got home! Dave VE4PN From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Wed Dec 7 08:07:54 1994 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 22:16:55 -0600 (CST) From: David John Place To: Benjamin Allan Smith Cc: lro@stratus.com Subject: Re: question for 90 owners In-Reply-To: <199412062006.MAA23248@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Did you happen to notice the very nice rubber mats in the back area. They go right up on the seat box area and they have a big Land Rover logo on the floor part. The seats look like they would be a nice addition to the 88 as well as the pipe unit behind the drivers seat could replace the bulk head so the seats could be moved back about two inches. This would solve the old problem of no leg room in the 88. I like the high stop light bar. I think I might buy one and put it on my Ser IIA. Lots of parts in this vehicle could find their way into mine over the next few years. Dave VE4PN On Tue, 6 Dec 1994, Benjamin Allan Smith wrote: > TeriAnn wrote: > > > I still don't know why someone with a US spec 90 couldn't remove the > > > roll bar & pop on a European spec 90 hard top. Can anyone with a 90 tell > > > me why this can not be done? It just strikes me as a possibly easy > > > cheaper way to get a hard top. > > Dixon wrote: > > I still don't know why I can't take an 88" hard top, a hacksaw, > > some pop rivets, etc and put it on a 90. (Ditching the roll > > bar of course). yeah, yeah, I know, I'm a philistine... > > When the US 90s first got the US, I compared it to my SIII. Assuming > you take the roll bar off (which looks like 1/2 an hour's work with the > special, many point, star head bolts) the only modification that > would need to be done to a Series hardtop is to make cuts to allow for the > windshield being ~2 inches taller. > > Regarding roll bars, all of the recent jeeps that I've seen (not > all that many) that had soft tops also had padded rollbars. > > > -Benjamin Smith > ---------------- > Science Applications Internation Corporation > China Lake Naval Air Weapons Center > bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil > 1972 Land Rover Series III 88 > From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Wed Dec 7 08:07:59 1994 From: Trinitee@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 23:18:02 -0500 To: lro@team.net Subject: Subscribe Status: O X-Status: Please add my to the Land Rover mailing list. My info is: P. de Gourville, 5769 Beltline Rd, Apt 922, Dallas,TX, 75240. THANKS!!!! From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Wed Dec 7 08:09:36 1994 From: Trinitee@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 23:18:02 -0500 To: lro@team.net Subject: Subscribe Status: O X-Status: Please add my to the Land Rover mailing list. My info is: P. de Gourville, 5769 Beltline Rd, Apt 922, Dallas,TX, 75240. THANKS!!!! From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Wed Dec 7 08:10:17 1994 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 22:28:01 -0600 (CST) From: David John Place To: Craig Murray Cc: lro@team.net Subject: Re: Sound deadening In-Reply-To: <9412062304.AA28517@emu.ocs.cpsg.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: There is a rubber material sold just for this purpose. It comes in 12" square pieces and it has a very good adhesion glue on it that is paper peal and stick. The material is about 1/4 inch thick and comes in boxes of 12 tiles. It is available from autobody shops or specialty shops like racing speed shops. I have it in mine and it works great. On the rear floor I have loading dock rubber. This material is about 1/2" thick and is the material they make conveyer belting from. It is a great sound deadening material and it can be hosed out when dirty. It makes a good traction mat if you get stuck because it is indestructible. I took the black carpet from a Pinto hatchback with the felt backing and covered the front mats as well. All this makes a very nice quiet vehicle. By the way I also covered the seat box with the black carpet. I was allowed to take all I could carry from a wrecker for $5.00. Not a bad way to make a Saloon Car from a truck! Dave VE4PN From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Wed Dec 7 08:10:51 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Wed, 07 Dec 1994 00:08:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Lug wrench To: Brad_Krohn@ccm2.hf.intel.com, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"Brad_Krohn@ccm2.hf.intel.com" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: Brad sez... > I know this is silly, but I'm having absolutely no luck finding a plain > ol' lug wrench that's big enough for those monster LR nuts. My only > options seem to be over-priced: mail order or the hardware store's > much-too-fancy 1/2" drive with a 1 1/16" socket. And from Jon... > Brad, I believe the lug nuts are 15/16", you probably won't find a > standard lug wrench "X"bar to fit. Go to the auto parts store and get a > 15/16" deepwell 1/2" drive impact socket, and a 1/2" breaker bar. The > longer the better. > Then just for kickers get a three foot long piece of pipe that will just > fit over the handle of the breaker bar. This is for extra leverage to > break them loose, not for tightening. Yep, folks.. Two sizes, no waiting.. I think that the 15/16" nuts were on the earlier vehicles and the 1 1/16 on the Ser III.. I'm probably wrong.. I've used a 1/2" drive breaker bar with 1 1/16" nut for years for my SerIII. John's right about the pipe.. Sometimes the buggers just rust up to the wheel and it's hell getting them loose. Here's a solution.. Put Never-sieze on the beveled edge of the nut.. it helps. As to a "X" bar lug wrench for the big nuts.. You may have to check out a truck center or farm supply for that one.. 15/16 lug wrench is easier to find. Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Wed Dec 7 08:11:33 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Wed, 07 Dec 1994 00:08:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Sound deadening To: bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: Ben lays some carpet... > > Craig Murry wrote: > > > Does any one know what sort of material I should use for sound > > deadening (Spelling?) as you can really tell that there are second hand > > gears in my gearbox, its so loud that you can only just hear the diesel! > Ben's reply started... > What I did for my 88 petrol was cut some pieces of old carpet to > fit on the floor boards of the front and over the transmission hump. I Ben... Craig needs some industrial strength sound proofing material... He says he can't hear his DIESEL over the sound the tranny makes... Yow!! That must be one heck of LOUD transmission... I've ridden in Steve Denis' 109 when it had the diesel engine... In Steve's words "louder than a Siberian boiler factory".. he used to wear ear protectors.. you know those things that look like big headphones... Craig.. a while back there was a message thread about an accoustic material some people were using.. Can't remember the name of the stuff but I remember it was expensive.. If you go the "old carpet" route.. find some nice thick pile stuff.. :) I don't know about putting it under the hump/floor/seatbox.. That's in the "automatic oiler" zone down there.. Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Wed Dec 7 08:12:42 1994 To: LAND-ROVER-OWNER@TEAM.NET From: "Barry Dudley" Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 11:22:56 +200 Subject: Report back on THUMP, THUMP X-Gateway: iGate, (WP Office) vers 2.01a - 1008 Status: O X-Status: Hi All, Thanx for all the info, hints and advice. This is a great LIST to belong to! A brief report back. A while ago i asked about regular thumping from inside the engine (V6, 3L Ford). Opened up the engine and found - not much! Two of the piston tops appeared to be scratched/gouged (only after i removed the carbon) while the rest were fine. I put the cylinder heads back in my engine during the weekend and went for a drive last night. After an initial high temperature scare and loss of oil pressure all was fine. No knocking or thumping. After two/three weeks without a Land Rover it was wonderful to have the noise, the heat and vibration back! What have i learnt: 1 - Do not allow anything to drop down the Carb! Put a rag in there to prevent that. 2 - If you suspect something has dropped down into the engine do not "hope" it will disappear. Open up the engine and sort out the problem ASAP. There are no short cuts! 3 - Get a couple of opinions and take your time over the job. A rushed job generally turns out bad and has to be redone. 4 - Having taken apart and put an engine back together I feel more confident about fixing it if (when) something goes wrong. 5 - No more touching of the engine again (well at least for a long time). It is great to have JOY back! Cheers Barry Dudley S111, LWB, 1983, Station Wagon Pietermartizburg Ford 3L, V6 South Africa From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Wed Dec 7 08:15:17 1994 From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: Sound deadening To: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au (Craig Murray) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 94 12:34:18 GMT Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9412062304.AA28517@emu.ocs.cpsg.com.au>; from "Craig Murray" at Dec 7, 94 10:04 am Status: O X-Status: Craig, One may generally tell fellow members of the Oily Wad Club by their ability to lipread,which gives you *some* idea of the whispering silence of the 2.25 diesel.The necessity of lipreading also tends to develop members' periperal vision to a remarkable degree,enabling some amongst our number to drive,talk,*and* spot a good pair of legs at half a mile.All at the same time.Since they dont *go* very fast,OWC members vehicles are ideal for leg-spotting(or whatever catches ones fancy),but a little less than ideal for any subsequent moves, since doesnt have to be *very* fit to outdistance an OWC Rover.A brisk walk is all that is necessary.Whilst vastly entertaining when viewed from the rear,it doesnt do an awful lot to cement(or even begin)relationships,and if the object of desire happens to be *downwind* of the vehicle,even a good view is impeded by the vast quantities of smoke emitted. On the plus side,however,should the target be *in front* of the OWC member,he can,by the simple expedient of lifting his right foot from the accelerator pedal,use the colossal power of his engine braking to draw gracefully to a standstill in order to effect an introduction.This effects a considerable saving on trifles such as tyres and brake linings(a saving that our petrol brethren will not be able to make due to their greater velocity),enabling members to have that little extra disposable income with which to get the relationship off to a solid start. The necessity to teach lipreading also has entertaining possibilities which should be considered,perhaps at length. For those members in the married state,the lipreading is generally not admitted to,and OWC vehicles are found ideal to cover the incessant prattle of the lady wife(and possibly,on a bad day,her mother as well,)relieving the fortunate member of any possibility of hearing what is said to him. It is,for the reasons given,generally considered imprudent for the OWC member to soundproof his vehicle *at all*. As to the amount of noise emitted at 50MPH,the technology does not yet exist to do any research on this(although Virtual Reality looks promising)since it has been,so far, impossible for any club member to attain this velocity for long enough to assess the effect,*and* retain his sanity. Since this latter is something which OWC members have a tenuous hold on at the best of times,prudence dictates (along with Mary,Marigold et al)that *much* thought be given before any attempt is made in this direction. You are to be congratulated in having not only a Heavy Oil Engine,but also a noisy transmission *and* knobbly tyres. I feel that the only improvement you could possibly make to your vehicle would be a teasponnful or so of Vim or some other proprietary cleaning compound,added to the differential oil. This woudl ensure that the back axle would,after a short time, add *its* voice to the proceedings,virtually guaranteeing your success in any endeavour you may feel inclined to undertake. It would also drown out yapping dogs in the back. I remain,sir,your Obedient Servant, Cheers Mike Rooth (Founder Member,OWC) From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Wed Dec 7 08:16:04 1994 From: jpappa01@interserv.com Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 06:00:32 -0800 To: lro@team.net Subject: defender 90 minutae Status: O X-Status: been reading all of the hardtop feedback. There seems to be a bunch advocating removal of the roll cage. DON'T remove this! Its a warranty wrecker. Its also dumb. Why? `Cause it destroys the chassis integrity that was added in. If you've not driven a US spec 90 then try it. The structural integrity is amazing. Drive it over a series of potholes and it leterally sucks `em up! I would never remove them if I owned one. The hardtop is a great looking piece (please don't accuse me of being a salesman) w/the original look preserved w/alpine windows, small quarter lights and lift up upper lid... The nicest part is that the new top fits over the roll cage without removing it! To me, this is the best of possible worlds. I love the hardtop look, but would feel that something was missing if I had to give up the cage to get it. Now, you can have both. Getting a standard 90 metal hardtop over from UK isn't exactly cheap, either when you factor in shipping, duty, etc. Don't forget the difference between series landies windscreen headers. The opening is totally different. But, that's why we love landies - they're all unique and all desirable. cheers. Jimbo jpappa01@interserv.com From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Wed Dec 7 09:49:09 1994 From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: Re: Report back on THUMP, THUMP To: DUDLEY@gate2.cc.unp.ac.za (Barry Dudley) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:30:52 -0500 (EST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9412071123.4ee57efb.CSP@gate2.cc.unp.ac.za> from "Barry Dudley" at Dec 7, 94 05:03:36 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 543 Status: O X-Status: > 1 - Do not allow anything to drop down the Carb! Put a rag in > there to prevent that. > 2 - If you suspect something has dropped down into the engine do > not "hope" it will disappear. Open up the engine and sort out > the problem ASAP. There are no short cuts! An old owners manual for a British motorcycle (pre-war) suggested dropping a wee ball bearing into each cylinder. Helps keeping the coaking problems to a minimum. (granted the had cast iron pistons...Hmmmm... make be a copper BB would work... :-)) Sorry... From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Wed Dec 7 09:50:15 1994 To: lro@team.net Subject: D90 Hardtops,here at last Date: Wed, 07 Dec 1994 07:35:03 -0800 From: Mike Fredette Status: O X-Status: Hooray, Well, it's finally here. I was told that the hardtops had been sent from the parts warehouse on Tuesday last, so I casually called the local dealer to see and lo and behold the truck had dropped off two of em mere minutes ago. I left work immediately and went to claim my prize before some other clown tried to. Upon arrival, there was a little bobble while they made sure I was on the top of their little waiting list, but I finally got it loaded on to the top of my wife's Range Rover and drove home. A HUGE box to be sure, I spent the rest of the afternoon opening it up and gloating. It looks really nice, a dark grey textured outer surface, a light grey inner. The upper tail gate lid is different in that it is held closed by the lower one. ie. you can't open the top without opening the bottom, though on reflection, this would be impossible with the spare tire in the way anyway so no loss. The top is made to fit the 95 models and a kit is being made to retro fit it to the 94's. The kit consists of nothing more than a bunch of rivnuts that need to be installed in the body capping of the rear bed, 14 in all. I guess the 95's will come with them pre-installed. This little "installation kit" naturally won't be available till late NEXT week, so a quick call to Rovers North took care of that. The top really was worth the wait, I just wish the wait hadn't been so damn long. Be glad to answer any questions, Rgds Mike Fredette Portland, Oregon From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Wed Dec 7 09:51:25 1994 From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: Re: defender 90 minutae To: jpappa01@interserv.com Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:41:15 -0500 (EST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <199412071400.AA27804@interserv.com> from "jpappa01@interserv.com" at Dec 7, 94 06:00:32 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1557 Status: O X-Status: > been reading all of the hardtop feedback. There seems to be a bunch advocating > removal of the roll cage. DON'T remove this! Its a warranty wrecker. Its also > dumb. Why? `Cause it destroys the chassis integrity that was added in. What chassis integrity? While I am still not clear whether the roll bar extends down to the frame, or just mounts on top of the aluminium & painted steel box, either way, the added integrity will be minimal. If anything you wouldn't do it because of the warranty & even there I'd like to see the fine print. If I had a 90, the roll bar would be the first thing to come off. IMHO it looks tacky & is unnecessary. > you've not driven a US spec 90 then try it. The structural integrity is > amazing. Drive it over a series of potholes and it leterally sucks `em up! I > would never remove them if I owned one. From driving around leaf sprung Land Rovers for years and suddenly driving a 90, those coils will certainly suck up the potholes. Anyone on the list driven a 90 with & without the rollbar? (ie a US spec and everywhere else spec). I just can't believe the roll bar plays that big a roll . In fact, if the roll bar adds that much structural integrity, it is akin to adding plating to the frame frome the back forward to about the middle. Looking at Land Rovers that have been plated and thus have rather increased structural integrity, the reduction in frame flex will cause more problem in the future through increased stress ad the mounting points. (cracking etc.) Rgds, From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Wed Dec 7 11:57:37 1994 From: Russell Burns Subject: Re: defender 90 minutae To: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 94 8:48:32 PST Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9412071541.AA25742@emr1.emr.ca>; from "Dixon Kenner" at Dec 7, 94 10:41 am Status: O X-Status: > What chassis integrity? While I am still not clear whether the > roll bar extends down to the frame, or just mounts on top > of the aluminium & painted steel box, either way, the added > integrity will be minimal. If anything you wouldn't do it > because of the warranty & even there I'd like to see the fine > print. If I had a 90, the roll bar would be the first thing > to come off. IMHO it looks tacky & is unnecessary. > > I spent some time undet my D-90 checking out the roll cage. it is connected as follow's The front hoop is tied to the front bulkhead under the front fender. The middle hoop actually continues continues under the floor of the body and forms a square loop. with the bottom being tied to the upper part of the frame with brackets. The diagional braces inside the truck are bolted to the floor of the body. The rear hoop is bolted to the rear cross member. The Front, and Rear hoops are tied together at the top, and the bottem, with a bar running just over the rear wheel box. >From what I have seen I would rather roll down a hill in a D-90 with a full cage, rather than a removable aluminium top. Russ From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Wed Dec 7 11:58:32 1994 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 12:24:09 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: defender 90 minutae To: Russell Burns Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <199412071648.IAA01887@lint.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: > I spent some time undet my D-90 checking out the roll cage. > it is connected as follow's Interesting, thanks. Is the rear bits optional, or does this whole thing come with the vehicle? > >From what I have seen I would rather roll down a hill in a D-90 with a > >full cage, rather than a removable aluminium top. Ahhh, but the idea is not to roll down... :-) Rgds, From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Wed Dec 7 11:58:42 1994 From: Russell Burns Subject: Re: defender 90 minutae To: dkenner@emr1.emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 94 9:29:31 PST Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: ; from "Dixon Kenner" at Dec 7, 94 12:24 pm Status: O X-Status: I believe the rear part is an option. I hope it remains with the hardtop. Russ > > > > > I spent some time undet my D-90 checking out the roll cage. > > it is connected as follow's > > Interesting, thanks. Is the rear bits optional, or does this > whole thing come with the vehicle? > > > >From what I have seen I would rather roll down a hill in a D-90 with a > > >full cage, rather than a removable aluminium top. > > Ahhh, but the idea is not to roll down... :-) > > Rgds, > From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Wed Dec 7 12:24:56 1994 Date: Wed, 07 Dec 94 11:14:51 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV To: lro@team.net Subject: "Old man EMU" Need address. Status: O X-Status: FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: "Old man EMU" Need address. Could someone please give me the address for "Old man Emu" in Australia? I hear that they have a lot of offroad specialty parts for Land Rovers. Thanks, P.S. Notice the larger "tyres" on the signiture. Thanks to ?? for the tip. #=====# Never doubt that a small group of individuals |___|__\___ can change the world... indeed, it's the only | _ | |_ | thing that ever has. "(_)""""(_)" -Margaret Mead From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Wed Dec 7 12:58:58 1994 From: "Mugele, Gerry" To: "'LRO-Digest'" Subject: He's right Date: Wed, 07 Dec 94 10:39:00 PST Encoding: 20 TEXT Status: O X-Status: Michael Loiodice wrote: > I think that the 15/16" nuts were on >the earlier vehicles and the 1 1/16 on the Ser III.. I'm probably wrong.. >I've used a 1/2" drive breaker bar with 1 1/16" nut for years for my SerIII. That is exactly my experience. My 67 IIa and my 69 IIa both had the 11/16" nuts. It was a surprise to me when I tried my old wrench on my 72 Series III. It has 1 1/16" nuts. I too use a socket with a 20" breaker bar. My original equipment lug wrenches (all of 'em) chose to bend (rather then break) when I really needed 'em. The socket and breaker bar stow easily, have all the strength needed and from a price over time perspective and very economical, especially because both can be used in other applications. And if you get Craftsman and you do somehow manage to bend or break it; Sears will give you a new one free. Gerry Mugele From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Wed Dec 7 13:18:01 1994 Date: 07 Dec 94 13:59:25 EST From: "BENJAMIN G. NEWMAN" <71773.3457@compuserve.com> To: Leslie Subject: Conversion Fire truck 10911a Status: O X-Status: I would love more info about this truck and where could I see it. Benjamin G.Newman Orlando Fl. From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Wed Dec 7 14:53:46 1994 Date: Wed, 07 Dec 94 11:42:43 PST From: "Neil E. Villacorta" Subject: Discovery To: Status: O X-Status: Is there a Discovery listserv and/or ftp/www/html site? I'm interested in puchasing one and with the comments on the recycled Spanish steel used I really don't know what to think now. :-) Neil Villacorta Network Manager & H.R. Technology Analyst U.C. Santa Barbara / Facilities Management From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Wed Dec 7 14:54:31 1994 From: "Mugele, Gerry" To: "'LRO-Digest'" , Granville Subject: Thor Hubs Date: Wed, 07 Dec 94 12:05:00 PST Encoding: 21 TEXT Status: O X-Status: Hi Granville, re <> What a lucky guy you are. I had those on my '67...the one that Scotty bought and converted to a tow truck. The truck was bought new in Colorado Springs and equipped with those hubs at the dealer according to the original owner. They gave me nothing but grief and I suggest you replace them as soon as you have made the thing driveable, with a nice set of Warn FWHs. If I recall correctly there is a lever/bar (or a pair of 'em, can't remember for sure) embedded in the face of the hub. To operate it you must pry the lever(s) out and flip it (them) back (180 degrees) and then turn the lever, with its attachment point as the axis, until the lever(s) can be returned to the hub face. This action engages and disengages the hubs. The levers are made from a rather brittle aluminum and if forced it chooses to break rather than bend....see the story coming here? Get rid of 'em! Gerry From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Wed Dec 7 14:55:09 1994 To: "Neil E. Villacorta" Cc: lro@team.net Subject: Re: Discovery In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 07 Dec 1994 11:42:43 PST." <199412071944.OAA00460@transfer.stratus.com> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 1994 12:38:02 -0800 From: Mike Fredette Status: O X-Status: Neil, The report of spanish recycled steel being used in Discoveries is a bunch of crap! This Andy Woodward guy over in the UK loves to spread these rumours about supposedly inferior steel being used in Land Rover products without a shread of credible evidence to back his claims. Just heresay from supposedly "reliable" sources, ie his local yocal mechanic who wouldn't know recycled Spanish steel from Spanish peanuts! Land Rover does not now, nor have they ever used anything of the sort in their cars. Rest assured that a Discovery bought now will be around a LONG time to come. If this Knucklehead would confirm his info before spouting, we'd all be spared this nonsense. Rgds Mike Fredette Portland, Oregon P.S. I used to live in Goleta, worked at Delco there, loved it just too expensive to afford a home. From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Wed Dec 7 15:21:02 1994 To: lro From: John Hong/C/HQ/3Com Date: 7 Dec 94 12:13:44 EDT Subject: re:sound deadening and other stuff Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Status: O X-Status: Hi All, First post in a while for me. California is nice - still no roof on the 88 - getting lots of stares - I will admit to the mornings being a bit brisk. The first car I ever bought, a Mazda B2000 pickup, died on my attempt to drive it to CA from Mass - valves go snap crakle pop and not worth the expense and trouble to fix - sigh! The plus side of this is I can get a 2nd ROVER! Anybody know of any 109s on the west US coast for sale? I called the IBEX folks but it will be at least 5 months till the first new style kit is available - old style kits are no longer available. They are available in 90, 100 and 110 WBs and are intended for coil sprung suspension. Fitting a TDi is no problem. (TDi! TDi!! TDi!!!) Re: sound damping - the loading dock mat sounds like the best idea yet. I currently use rubber door mats (yes they say WELCOME on one side) I got fairly large ones from Kmart for about $6 each - 1 in each foot well and 2 cover the back of my 88 just right. I also lay them on the ground (when it is particularly dusty/muddy/cold) when I get underneath the "one I love" . Re: the 1 1/16 lug wrenches Call Northern Hydraulic for their catalog (800 533 5545 or 612 894 8310) - great stuff at good prices - I bought a "lug" bar 1 1/16 one end - I forget what was on the other end - large hex openings at each end for you to slip in a lever/handle. The thing is really beefy (kinda heavy) - the lever would probably bend first. NH also has winches, cable (1/4 aircraft 7000 lb rating ??? - 3/8ths also) portable generators, 2 inch pipe bending sets for $200 - make your own roll bar!, and a host of other neat and useful stuff, tools, fittings - I would call it an Agricultural Catalog going mainstream. I wear ear plugs on long trips when the roof is off - the wind noise gets to me after a while - the Rover "whines" a fair amount - it seems to drive some of my passengers nuts! but it is music to my ears. Chow! John From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 8 08:17:43 1994 From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Hess update To: lro@team.net Date: Wed, 7 Dec 94 18:43:32 EST Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.36.1.1] Status: O X-Status: For those of you following the Hess family...... So far so good. They've made it down to Texas and are currently trekking across that vast open state. John called from a Mcdubious in Waco (where I'm sure he sampled the fries) and mentioned that he lost his gascap somewhere along the way. He presumed he'd left it at the petrol station, but two calls to that station failed to locate it. Most likely (as this is his first rover) he forgot to triple check that it was secure upon fillup, and it managed to grow wings and find its way to the roadside. I'm not so sure whether or not he's got the screened tube as well, but if he does he'd be right smart to fasten his new one (shipped to a bro-in-laws place in Austin) to it so next time it just bangs against the side of his rig like mine always does..... A second message (left today, I think, or maybe last night) mentioned that they'd made it beyond Austin and all was well with the rover. He does have *one* oil leak, but it is apparently minor and methinks he's learning to live with it. more as it comes in..... rd/nigel for J. Hess and the nameless (?) Hessmobile From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 8 08:18:46 1994 From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: 2 quickies To: lro@team.net Date: Wed, 7 Dec 94 19:01:03 EST Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.36.1.1] Status: O X-Status: Kind souls- I've two questions, one is a repeat (sorry for the wasted bandwidth). #1: Dave VE4PN: Was your reccomended main jet size for the rochester on a 2.25 a #48?? I think that was what you once said and I'm in the process (once again) of trying to track one down, but need to make sure first. #2: What is an acceptable half life of hub seals under normal operating conditions? I've new seals (and the "seal races") all around on Nigel. They're probably about a year old, maybe a year and a half, maybe even a little older than that (but not much). Nigel has never seen mud to his knees OVLR style (not since these seals were put in, anyway), and has maybe 6000 +/- 2500 miles of road and light off road use on him since the new seals/races were put in. The left rear is now leaking (as of about two weeks ago when the temps dropped), but not enough (yet) to goop up the shoes. Miraculously, it is leaking out of the brake backing plate through the teensey weensey crevases in between the backing plate and the lower pivot "bolt" that the shoes ride on. Any day now it'll hit the shoes, I'm sure. The other three show minimal signs (like there is some discoloration at the bottom of the brake drums/backing plate that indicate some light oil seepage) of leakage. and yes, my axle breathers are clear. thanks in advance, rd/nigel (NYS inspection is due this month, naturally) From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 8 08:19:04 1994 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:21:07 -0800 To: "Russell G. Dushin" From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell) Subject: Re: 2 quickies Cc: lro@team.net Status: O X-Status: >#2: >What is an acceptable half life of hub seals under normal operating >conditions? I've new seals (and the "seal races") all around on >Nigel. They're probably about a year old, maybe a year and a half, >maybe even a little older than that (but not much). Nigel has >never seen mud to his knees OVLR style (not since these seals were >put in, anyway), and has maybe 6000 +/- 2500 miles of road and light >off road use on him since the new seals/races were put in. The >left rear is now leaking (as of about two weeks ago when the temps >dropped), but not enough (yet) to goop up the shoes. Miraculously, >it is leaking out of the brake backing plate through the teensey >weensey crevases in between the backing plate and the lower pivot >"bolt" that the shoes ride on. Any day now it'll hit the shoes, >I'm sure. The other three show minimal signs (like there is some >discoloration at the bottom of the brake drums/backing plate >that indicate some light oil seepage) of leakage. > >and yes, my axle breathers are clear. Where did you get your hub seals? Maybe 1-1.5 years ago, I replaced my rear hub seals with ones from RN. After a few months, one of them was leaking, and was replaced under warranty. I think the other one is now leaking as well. I am going to be doing some work on it soon, and will check it out... jory bell jory@mit.edu From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 8 08:21:13 1994 From: "FS Jan Beckwith" Organization: Idaho State University To: land-rover-owner@team.net Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 18:33:32 MDT Subject: INTERNET MAIL "VIRUS" A HOAX - OFFICIAL WORD Reply-To: beckjan@ux1.isu.edu Cc: ASTISHR@ccmailsmtp.ast.com Priority: normal Status: O X-Status: I am really sorry to see a problem with subjects like this. I for one do not know enough to understand the hidden workings and inner mechanisms of my computer OR the internet. But when something like this happens I learn a lot-one way or another. So here is something for the poor people like me who are now afraid to ask more about it for fear of getting flamed. Be patient guys, we can't all be experts! Thanks....Jan B. ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Hi kids: I know that I have been stuffing your mailbox with a whole bunch of mail recently, but I thought that the following may be of some interest to you -- I know it gave me a good laugh :) It seems that the latest Urban Legend floating around the Internet is that there is a virus called "Good Times" that is transmitted via e-mail and eats hard drives. <> Anyway, here is the *TRUTH* about the Good Times virus in case one of your friends tries to spam you with warnings about it: ------------------- A - T - T - E - N - T - I - O - N ------------------- THE "Good Times" VIRUS IS AN URBAN LEGEND In the early part of December, CIAC started to receive information requests about a supposed "virus" which could be contracted via America OnLine, simply by reading a message. The following is the message that CIAC received: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Here is some important information. Beware of a file called Goodtimes. | | | | Happy Chanukah everyone, and be careful out there. There is a virus on | | America Online being sent by E-Mail. If you get anything called "Good | | Times", DON'T read it or download it. It is a virus that will erase your | | hard drive. Forward this to all your friends. It may help them a lot. | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS IS A HOAX. Upon investigation, CIAC has determined that this message originated from both a user of America Online and a student at a university at approximately the same time, and it was meant to be a hoax. CIAC has also seen other variations of this hoax, the main one is that any electronic mail message with the subject line of "xxx-1" will infect your computer. This rumor has been spreading very widely. This spread is due mainly to the fact that many people have seen a message with "Good Times" in the header. They delete the message without reading it, thus believing that they have saved themselves from being attacked. These first-hand reports give a false sense of credibility to the alert message. There has been one confirmation of a person who received a message with "xxx-1" in the header, but an empty message body. Then, (in a panic, because he had heard the alert), he checked his PC for viruses (the first time he checked his machine in months) and found a pre-existing virus on his machine. He incorrectly came to the conclusion that the E-mail message gave him the virus (this particular virus could NOT POSSIBLY have spread via an E-mail message). This person then spread his alert. As of this date, there are no known viruses which can infect merely through reading a mail message. For a virus to spread some program must be executed. Reading a mail message does not execute the mail message. Yes, Trojans have been found as executable attachments to mail messages, the most notorious being the IBM VM Christmas Card Trojan of 1987, also the TERM MODULE Worm (reference CIAC Bulletin B-7) and the GAME2 MODULE Worm (CIAC Bulletin B-12). But this is not the case for this particular "virus" alert. If you encounter this message being distributed on any mailing lists, simply ignore it or send a follow-up message stating that this is a false rumor. Karyn Pichnarczyk CIAC Team ciac@llnl.gov *********** ************ Jan Beckwith, Pharm.D. beckjan@isu.edu Idaho Drug Information Service Phone: (208) 236-4689 Campus Box 8092 or:(208) 236-3785 Pocatello, ID 83209 FAX: (208) 236-4687 ************ ************ From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 8 08:21:21 1994 From: sohearn@interserv.com Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 18:04:16 -0800 To: land-rover-owner@team.net Subject: U.S. spec Defender 90 Roll Cage Status: O X-Status: As mentioned by Russ the U.S. 90's have a cage tied into the frame front, center, and rear. In addition there is additional cross bracing at the front under the windshield and at the center behind the seats. It's only potential drawback is that it is bolted together instead of welded, something which could probably be done down the road with no difficulty. Stephen O'Hearn '94 Defender 90 From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 8 08:22:40 1994 From: jpappa01@interserv.com Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 18:48:59 -0800 To: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: Re: defender 90 minutae Cc: lro@team.net Status: O X-Status: Dixon: Good to hear from you. I sent you the latest BSROA newsletter a couple of days ago. Hope you got/get it. I'm not trying to stir the soup on the defender 90 roll cage! Yes the front and middle hoops DO tie directly to the chassis rails, and additionally, if the rear extension is fitted, then the rear hoop does as well. I stand corrected in that I should have referred to the car as a NA-spec 90 rather than just US-spec. Clearly the chassis integrity is very good on series landies due to the reinforced alum/steel perimeter gutter aluminum hardtop. however, removal of same does (at least in my experience) introduce additional "cowl flex" for lack of a better term. The NA def 90, which until now has only been a soft top, absolutely benefits from the cage in terms of tie-in strength and its "box" effect. The earlier `94 builds even had the rear bed internal bars tying in the box at just above chassis level. This was omitted during the model year as it was total overkill. The cage will continue to benefit the structure even with the grp top installed as the new hardtop is not as strong as the original type aluminum top. This is quite obvious since the limited series of 40 aluminum NA def 90s which are being shipped now have the majority of the front cage removed to fit the top. As before, the aluminum top is basically strong enough to enable the vehicle to pass the crash tests! Look forward to receiving your newsletter. From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 8 08:23:04 1994 From: WB6AGE@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 22:47:09 -0500 To: Land-Rover-Owner@team.net Subject: Survey Results Status: O X-Status: As reported in the Wednesday, December 7th issue of USA Today, Men's Journal asked the following question of it's readers; "If given the choice of dining with Cindy Crawford or the supermodel of their choice or a Land Rover four wheel drive, which would you want?" Results.......86% chose the Land Rover It's nice to be in the mainstream in at least one area Bob Cosentino WB6AGE@AOL.COM 1960 SII 88 Perkins conversion From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 8 08:23:15 1994 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 22:00:47 -0600 (CST) From: David John Place To: "Russell G. Dushin" Cc: lro@team.net Subject: Re: 2 quickies In-Reply-To: <199412072359.SAA18377@transfer.stratus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Yes, the jet is the #48. If you can't find one, use solder to plug the hole and use a #48 pin drill. Not as good but acceptable. Dave VE4PN From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 8 08:23:37 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Thu, 08 Dec 1994 00:04:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: re:sound deadening and other stuff To: John_Hong@3mail.3Com.COM, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"John_Hong@3mail.3Com.COM" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: John Hong sez... > First post in a while for me. California is nice - still no roof on the > 88 - > > getting lots of stares - I will admit to the mornings being a bit brisk. Hmmm... no roof on his 88..... OK.. so I was looking through this PC magazine and there is a MobiLink ad.. The one with the guy talking on a cell phone while standing up in and 88, and the 88 is out in a swamp somewhere, not quite hub deep in the water.. An 88 with no roof... I took a real close look and this guy is tall.. and looks sorta oriental... OK John.. fess up.. Is that you?? Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 8 08:23:47 1994 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 21:52:46 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: dkenner@emr.ca, Brad_Krohn@ccm2.hf.intel.com Subject: Re: Lug wrench Cc: lro@stratus.com Status: O X-Status: I got my + shaped lug wrench at Grand Auto and one of the ends seems to fit just fine. Note that it's the larger one for trucks, not the smaller, car one. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 8 08:25:11 1994 From: Steve Methley Subject: lug nuts To: lro@team.net (landy list) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 94 10:46:53 GMT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: O X-Status: Lug nuts: Later LR and all RR lug nuts are 17/16 inch _or 27mm_. Break out the calcuators (slide rules for you Series types) to verify this. 27mm sockets are common in metric half inch drive sets are are much easier to find than 17/16. Note that 15/16 is not nearly as well substituted by 24mm, but it might help in an emergency on nuts that didn't require breaker bars etc. Drain Plugs For those with raised half inch drain plugs - use half inch spanner or adjustable (US = wrench or crescent?), no problem. MOT test I took my 79RR in for the annual UK MOT vehicle inspection. As expected it failed emissions and brake pipes. Next day it passed after balancing the carbs and fitting new caliper pipes which I already had. Cost = precisely nothing. Not bad. The tester thought it was 'bl**dy tidy for a T-plater'. He should see it after a w/e's laning ;-). Cheers, Steve. From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 8 08:26:12 1994 From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: lug nuts To: sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Steve Methley) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 94 12:06:22 GMT Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9412081046.AA06077@methley2.hpl.hp.com>; from "Steve Methley" at Dec 8, 94 10:46 am Status: O X-Status: Hang about Steve.... My wheel nuts are 1 1/16".Very late 11A SWB,all LWB (I think), all S111 are this size.Dont know about coilers or RR,though. Looks like there's *three* sizes about...... Slide rule?Had to take me damned *boots* off to do that conversion. Ran out of fingers... Hang on to that MOT bloke,mate.At least he knows the breed.Most of 'em throw a wobbly when they see anything with big wheels and more than one diff.They seem to think that if its a Range Rover you've got money to burn(possibly true),or if its a Land Rover its *bound* to have something hee can fail it on(undoubtedly true).That's why I take mine to a village garage where the local farmers go.That way he's used to people doing the absolute minimum to get it past.You just try getting money out of a farmer! Cheers Mike Rooth From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 8 08:27:43 1994 From: Piers E Montague Subject: Greeyings To: lro@team.net (Land Rover) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 12:22:07 +0000 (GMT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1997 Status: O X-Status: Greetings to all you poor adicted people out there! I have just herd of the list from a friend of mine in Germny and thought I had better join up and see what's on. My name is Piers Montague (or "Perc"),and I be vrum Zumerzet (oops sorry slipping back into my native tounge there!), I come from Somerset (South West England for all you foreigners), althouth I am at present stuck up in the smoke at Brunel Uni, West London (sadly doing a Mechanical Engineering degree). That's enough about me, lets talk Land-Rovers!! I learned to drive at the tender age of 11 (11 years ago) in my Fathers SWB S2 petrol (his work vehicle he was a landscape gardner) across the range of hills ibn Som called the Quantocks, not bad hay, first ever driving experience is off road on a L-R. 3 years later the S2 was sold as the gearbox was knackered and the chasis was fast vanishing, sorry to say it went for 200 quid, aaaah, if only I had been a few years older! Now we have an ex-forestry commision S3 SWB petrol Full tilt (lovely in the summer but chily in winter months), that, although isnt mine I drive whenever I am at home and spend loadsa money and time keeping on the road. I think it is true to say that, although I am not actually a Land-Rover Owner, I am a true Fanatic, just look at my sig. file (I will try and shrink it a bit when I can work out how the hell to do so!), and when I can afford it.... :) Cheerz 'en anon, PPPPP EEEEE RRRRR CCCC PP P EE RR R CC C PP PP EEEE RR RR CC PP EE RR RR CC C PP EEEEE RR RR CCCC ----------------------------------------------------- Drink zcrump, Smoke bunnies, Eat lard, Live forever. ----------------------------------------------------- Don't be a stick in the mud, be a LAND- -ROVER owner. From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 8 08:30:28 1994 From: Piers E Montague Subject: Story with a moral To: lro@team.net (Land Rover) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 12:53:35 +0000 (GMT) Cc: me92pem@brunel.ac.uk (Piers E Montague) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2389 Status: O X-Status: Are you sitting comfortably, then we shall begin. The story involves a SIII petrol that smoked a bit. Well, when I say a bit I actually mean a bloody lot. This thing would create a smoke screen at junctions big enough to loose my overdraft in! She went throuhgh 1 gal of oil for about 4 gals of prtrol! At about 14 mpg!! Clearly something had to be done, the chap at the place where we had an outrigger replaced (I was stuck up in London for a few months) and the MOT done said he didn't know what was wrong, but it was probably something terminal! When at last I was able to do anything about it, it was decided by some of us "have a guess merchants" that the Head Gasket might have gone, worse still it might need a rebore. The head was duely removed and the gasket was perfect, the pistons then came out and the ring gaps were measured. Instead of 15-20 thou they were abouy 1/4 inch! Great I thought the problem had been found. New rings went in (gap 25 thou, close enough!), and the whole lot went back together. It still smoked!! The next guess was the valve seals. The head came off again and the valves were removed, cleaned up, reground and the oil seals replaced (the head had already been skimmed). The whole lot was reassembeled and, you've guessed it, she STILL smoked. By this time I was getting a bit fed up to say the least, I had spent hours working on the damn thing and about 200 quid, and it still looked like a rebore was in order, which I decided was beyond me, I havent got a covered area to work in. I went to a chap near me who does everything Land-Rover in a shed out behind his house (Colin Feltham in Kilve, if anyone knows him). I told him what had been done and what was still happening. He looked in the engine bay, listened to the noise and then, using his penknife, he removed the cover from that flat circular thing next to the carb (I still don't know what it's for, anyne help?) takes out the little diaphrama and says "theres your problem, its got a hole in it". So there we have it, the problem was fixed in about 5 mins, the only tool used was a penknife and it cost me a fiver!! The moral of this story, dear readers, as realised by my darling brother is "Before screwing around, always check your Diaphram!" Cheerz 'en anon, Perc. "So that's why they call 'em bangers!"........Blue Bottle (Goon show) From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 8 13:14:05 1994 Date: Thu, 08 Dec 1994 09:33:07 EST From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE) To: land-rover-owner@team.net Subject: Internet virus Status: O X-Status: There *was* a virus circulating through the 'net last weekend. It was a trojan created by the "Internet Liberation Force", thought to be a subset of the "Masters of Deception" a confederation of hackers. The apparent or intended target was another hacker group and their arch-rivals, the "Legion of Doom". The virus was delivered via E-mail. Has anyone seen or know of a code string so that I can append it to my anti-viral program? *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----* | | | Sandy Grice, Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com FAX: 804-622-7056 | | Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days) 804-423-4898 (Evenings) | | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA | *------------------------------------------------------* From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 8 13:15:09 1994 Date: Thu, 08 Dec 1994 09:32:52 EST From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE) To: land-rover-owner@team.net Subject: Third hinge Status: O X-Status: Putting on a third hinge is easy and ensures that the door doesn't get sprung, especially if you carry a tire or jerry cans there. On the body box, the hinge hole will be drilled through the "chain plate" where the fixings for a tailgate would normally go, while on the door, the holes go through the raised (structural) edge. Here's a tip to get perfect hinge alignment: remove the bolts from the top and botton hinges, but leave the door on with the little brass bushes in place. Fit the new hinge onto a 1/4" rod 3-4' long. Thread the rod through the top and bottom hinges so that the new hinge will be in the exact same plane. Mark the holes, drill and secure with stainless hardware. BTW, a 27mm socket is a better fit for for very late IIa and Series III lug nuts than the 1 1/16"...and always carry a "cheater" bar. "Feminist? I'm more of a Fennemanist. I subscribe to the principle set forth by George Fenneman, Groucho Marx's announcer on 'You Bet Your Life.' I believe that if I say the secret word, the duck will come down and give me a hundred dollars." *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----* | | | Sandy Grice, Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com FAX: 804-622-7056 | | Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days) 804-423-4898 (Evenings) | | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA | *------------------------------------------------------* From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 8 13:15:20 1994 To: lro@team.net From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Diff. Oil Change Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 15:20:33 UNDEFINED Status: O X-Status: . I'm gearing up to change the oil in the diffs, but have run into an .obstacle. Does anyone know where to get the mysterious 13 mm square drive .wrench? Whatever happened to the "stripped down with a screw driver and .crescent wrench?" If it sticks out, use teh crescent wrench. If it sticks in, use teh 1/2inch drive handle from your socket set. From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 8 13:15:31 1994 To: lro@team.net From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Harry's Plugged Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 15:24:54 UNDEFINED Status: O X-Status: . The possibility of getting water in the diffs from wading (not that .I'm currently in any danger of this--being that I live in the desert) has .cause me to think that I might be a good idea to replace the axle breather .with a piece of tubing that goes up at least as high as the hardtop/load .bead boundary. That way the breather won't rust shut or let water in. This is the way it is done on my 90. Doesnt jam like teh little ball valve axle thingies. From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 8 13:15:45 1994 To: lro@team.net From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: question for 90 owners Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 15:32:06 UNDEFINED Status: O X-Status: I still don't know why I can't take an 88" hard top, a hacksaw, some pop rivets, etc and put it on a 90. (Ditching the roll bar of course). yeah, yeah, I know, I'm a philistine... I seem to remember from teh spec sheets when I bought mine, that teh 90 load bed is a couple of inches bigger in both horizontal dimensions. Big gain!! From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 8 13:16:14 1994 Date: Thu, 08 Dec 1994 10:17:20 EST From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE) To: land-rover-owner@team.net Subject: Oil seals Status: O X-Status: WRT the thread on oil seals, the best one to use is the Federal Mogul/ National #410694. It is *double lipped* and neither of these rides on the same portion of the race/distance piece as the single lipped ones. Furthermore, there is a red sealing compound already applied to the outer diameter. For some reason, these seals always seem to drive in true, wheras some of the OEM seals have a nasty tendancy to start crooked despite one's best efforts otherwise. I checked the maintenance log...several of them are leak-free after almost five years. *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----* | | | Sandy Grice, Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com FAX: 804-622-7056 | | Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days) 804-423-4898 (Evenings) | | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA | *------------------------------------------------------* From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 8 13:16:48 1994 To: lro@team.net From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Discovery Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 15:41:23 UNDEFINED Status: O X-Status: . The report of spanish recycled steel being used in Discoveries .is a bunch of crap! This Andy Woodward guy over in the UK loves to spread .these rumours about supposedly inferior steel being used in Land Rover .products without a shread of credible evidence to back his claims. Just ..heresay from supposedly "reliable" sources, ie his local yocal mechanic .who wouldn't know recycled Spanish steel from Spanish peanuts! Land Rover Whatever they made teh panel that I saw out of wsnt very impressive........ In fact it was total crap! Ive never seen corrosion like it. And thi was not a vehicle that had ever been near a beach! .does not now, nor have they ever used anything of the sort in their cars. .Rest assured that a Discovery bought now will be around a LONG time to come. .If this Knucklehead would confirm his info before spouting, we'd all be spared .this nonsense. You seen these panels, then, tosser? Have a nice day. From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 8 13:18:22 1994 Date: 08 Dec 94 10:13:03 EST From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> To: lro Subject: Re: defender 90 minutae Status: O X-Status: Dixon wanted to know: > Anyone on the list driven a 90 with & without the rollbar? (ie > a US spec and everywhere else spec). I just can't believe the > roll bar plays that big a roll . In fact, if the roll bar Here's another one for the "guess-what-happened-to-a-friend-of-a- friend-of-mine" collection... First of all, no-one over here (Europe) has a roll cage on his 90 (except for competition purposes), and it doesn't seem to be taking any significant toll of the lives of Land Rover drivers to my knowledge. I do know of one incident, however, which might give you an idea of the 'chassis integrity' of the regular (british) aluminum 90 hardtop. About a year ago we picked up a wrecked 90 from Austria to pull out the engine + tranny. The PO told us about what had happened: He had been to a midsummer night binge at some cabin up in the mountains, and next morning, still pretty much drunk, he slowly made his way down the winding mountain road when at some stage the call of nature forced him to pull up and disappear behind some rocks... Hardly had he 'settled' when the quiet mountain morning air was split by a horrible crashing, shattering noise. He looked back to the road, and his 90 was gone! You guessed it, he had forgotten to apply the handbrake :-O He stood as he helplessly watched his Landy rolling and summersaulting down the slope and into a ravine where it landed with a big *crash* in a brook - on its wheels! It took almost a minute until the vehicle had reached the bottom, and it overturned ump-teen times in the process. The car, when we finally picked it up, was of course in a very sad state - a total loss, the frame badly distorted - *but* : The hardtop, though bent and battered and with a distinct 'slant' to one side, was still on and in one piece and had not been crushed or ripped open. The car's interior was totally undamaged, dash and seats were all reusable. I would *presume* that had any person been sitting in there well strapped down with his seat belts, he probably whould have walked (or wobbled, more likely) away, maybe shocked and a bit bruised, but otherwise unhurt. IOW, even without the famous 'american cage' the regular hardtop on its own gives a reasonable amount of protection. Still, it's always advisable to apply the handbrakes. Being sober also helps... Presently sober, Stefan <100043.2400@CompuServe.com> From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 8 13:28:05 1994 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 08 Dec 1994 10:56:35 -0600 To: lro@team.net From: hgreensp@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (Harry Greenspun) Subject: Plug's out, now what? Content-Length: 636 Status: O X-Status: Okay, thanks to you guys (and my 1/2" socket wrench), I can drain my diffs. Now the hard part... What's the best stuff to replace it? I'm looking for longevity and noise suppression. At my local auto supply store (Washington, D.C. area) I can choose the following: 90W - tried and true 75W90 Synthetic - Mobil 1 ($7 /Qt. !!) 85W140 - sounds intriguing or should I order something else? Pros/cons appreciated. Ever thankful, Harry ____________________________________________________________________ Harry Greenspun 94 Discovery (5-spd) (looking for a IIA/III) From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 8 13:28:19 1994 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 11:21:45 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: Plug's out, now what? To: Harry Greenspun Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: <9412081558.AA24404@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 8 Dec 1994, Harry Greenspun wrote: > What's the best stuff to replace it? I'm looking for longevity and noise > suppression. > If the stuff gets wet inside there, or is leaking out you might as well drop 90wt in. If you have a deep freeze in the winter (ie about -30 or worse) consider the synthetic stuff. 90wt turns to glue in the cold. Rgds, From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 8 13:28:58 1994 From: Mike Rooth Subject: Roll Bars or Not To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Thu, 8 Dec 94 16:49:12 GMT Status: O X-Status: I was going to stay out of this.....but.. To add to Stefan's gory tale,there is the example of a Welsh Water employee,who rolled a 110 arse over breackfast half a mile down a Welsh hillside.Thats radiator over towbar.Finished up on its wheels with a dented lid.The driver got out complaining of a cricked neck,and walked away.As far as I know,Welsh Water dont fit their vehicles with roll bars. Cheers Mike Rooth From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 8 13:29:30 1994 From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: Story with a moral To: me92pem@brunel.ac.uk (Piers E Montague) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 94 16:58:08 GMT Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <721.9412081253@monge.brunel.ac.uk>; from "Piers E Montague" at Dec 8, 94 12:53 pm Status: O X-Status: Happened to you,too eh?I had a similar experience many years ago,when a guys Riley RMF 1 1/2 litre wouldnt start after work.We had five of us mucking around with the lovely old beast for over a week.No luck.Finally some smart alec who was fresh to the problem wandered up,got in,switched on, switched off,got out,and said "Its out of petrol". Sickening innit? Cheers Mike Rooth From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Thu Dec 8 13:30:40 1994 Date: Thu, 08 Dec 1994 08:10:35 -0500 From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) Phone: 201-564-2073 Subject: Russ's Stub Dribbles To: LRO@stratus.com Content-Type: Text Status: O X-Status: Russ asks: >> #2: What is an acceptable half life of hub seals under normal operating conditions? I've new seals (and the "seal races") all around on Nigel. They're probably about a year old, maybe a year and a half, maybe even a little older than that (but not much). Nigel has never seen mud to his knees OVLR style (not since these seals were put in, anyway), and has maybe 6000 +/- 2500 miles of road and light off road use on him since the new seals/races were put in. The left rear is now leaking (as of about two weeks ago when the temps dropped), but not enough (yet) to goop up the shoes. Miraculously, it is leaking out of the brake backing plate through the teensey weensey crevases in between the backing plate and the lower pivot "bolt" that the shoes ride on. Any day now it'll hit the shoes, I'm sure. The other three show minimal signs (like there is some discoloration at the bottom of the brake drums/backing plate that indicate some light oil seepage) of leakage. >> Russ, I could be wrong but from the way you describe the location of the leak on the backing plate, I would guess that the gasket between the axle casing and stub is leaking. You might try tightening the backing plate securing bolts (if they aren't already) as a check/temp fix. I had this trouble on my 109 at one point. At first I thought it was hub seals. Then as it got worse (the bolts loosened further), it began to leak between the backing plate and the swivel pin housing. Very messy. The brake backing plate is sandwiched between the swivel pin housing and the axle stub. A new gasket on either side with a light film of Permatex Hi-Temp gasket sealer, and the leak was gone. Oh, you asked about hub seal life. Any grit/dirt that finds it's way onto the seal surface will degrade both the seal and the race. I find I change seals (not all of them) every year. And races if they are not perfect (and they usually aren't). Bill maloney@wings.attmail.com From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 9 08:25:42 1994 From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: Oil seals To: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE) (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 94 18:19:19 EST Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: <013.02163030.CXKS46A@prodigy.com>; from "MR ALEXANDER P GRICE" at Dec 08, 94 10:17 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.36.1.1] Status: O X-Status: > > WRT the thread on oil seals, the best one to use is the Federal Mogul/ > National #410694. It is *double lipped* and neither of these rides on the > same portion of the race/distance piece as the single lipped ones. > Furthermore, there is a red sealing compound already applied to the outer > diameter. For some reason, these seals always seem to drive in true, > wheras some of the OEM seals have a nasty tendancy to start crooked despite > one's best efforts otherwise. > > I checked the maintenance log...several of them are leak-free after almost > five years. and where might I find one of these, pray tell?? Special order from my local specialty auto shop? Jory asked where my seals came from....I got them from RN. They are the *second* set I put on Nigel. The first time I neglected to replace the races, which looked just fine and passed the fingernail test (ie no grooves) with flying colors. They leaked almost immediately. I ordered new (too damned honest to request replacement under warranty) all around and replaced the races as well. They held up to now. I *think* these new "genuine" seals are also double lipped (like the above that Sandy mentioned), but yes, they are not easy to drive in perfectly straight. Do the Federal types have a metallic backside (like the original, but unlike the genuine replacements)? And Maloney suggests I gotta leak at my stub axle/backing plate/axle housing junction....an outside possibility, but I think you'd be hard pressed to tell by looking at where the leak is coming from (without removing the hub, at least). Both leaks would drain with gravity. Only the leak coming from the hub seal would wet the backing plate and stub axle up high right beside the seal race (and you just can't see that area without removing the hub). I'll give it a maybe, but......those bits are held in by bolts that have lock tabs on them so I don't expect it has loosened up at all (gasket shot, maybe...). thanks all, rd/nigel From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 9 08:26:05 1994 To: lro From: John Hong/C/HQ/3Com Date: 8 Dec 94 17:49:30 EDT Subject: OOOO YEAH - I'm just a GQ GUY! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Status: O X-Status: Loidodice-san writes... >An 88 with no roof... >I took a real close look and this guy is tall.. and looks sorta oriental... >OK John.. fess up.. Is that you?? >Cheers How did you know I was tall??? If we've met before when? I love to associate faces with names. No, I have not done any modeling work. I have been driving around in my roofless rover while wearing a bright elf hat though! Problem du jour is zippo clutch pressure - if I bleed the thing, I'm fine again ... until the next time a few weeks later - guess rebuild kits for slave and master cylinder are in/on order! John From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 9 08:26:42 1994 From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Subject: Old Man Emu... To: lro@stratus.com (Land Rover Owners Group) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:54:09 +1030 (CST) Cc: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Content-Type: text Content-Length: 693 Status: O X-Status: David Brown asks about Old Man Emu products. As Far as i know OLD MAN EMU stuff is distributed exclusively by ARB. They certainly dont have much specific series rover stuff, maybe you are looking for Disco and RR gear. (OME shockers for 109 front = FJ40 LandCruiser with bush kit, rear = Range rover + decrease bump stop travel. Coil springs are certainly available but I dont know how good they are, most people I know used to get their coils from Rangie Spares (East coast Oz ??) who at one stage listed 27 different coils for Rangies. I'm sure Lloyd or Craig can provide the address from memory if not contact me and I'll find it. -- Daryl Webb (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au) From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 9 08:27:24 1994 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 22:37:00 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: Oil seals To: "Russell G. Dushin" Cc: MR ALEXANDER P GRICE , lro@team.net In-Reply-To: <199412082318.SAA04685@transfer.stratus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 8 Dec 1994, Russell G. Dushin wrote: > and where might I find one of these, pray tell?? Special order from my > local specialty auto shop? Your local National Bearing distributor. Bob and I ordered up a dozen (cheaper that way) at about nine dollars each. Just let the fingers do the walking and phoned them up. Took about three days for them to arrive. > Jory asked where my seals came from....I got them from RN. They are the > *second* set I put on Nigel. LR doesn't make the seals, they just buy them from someone else (someone like National). You might as well get them from the manufacturer. > I *think* these new "genuine" seals are also double lipped You can actually get triple lipped, but you don't want to use them. You need a wee bit of seepage on the outside lip to keep it lubricated and not self destructing through friction. (yeah someone tried these once) Rgds, From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 9 08:28:07 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Fri, 09 Dec 1994 02:31:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Story with a moral To: me92pem@brunel.ac.uk, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"me92pem@brunel.ac.uk" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: Perc sez... > The story involves a SIII petrol that smoked a bit. Well, when I say a > bit > I actually mean a bloody lot. This thing would create a smoke screen at ----snip---- > to the noise and then, using his penknife, he removed the cover from that > flat > circular thing next to the carb (I still don't know what it's for, anyne > help?) The Land Rover Secret Weapon... designed by the blokes at the Special Projects and Funny Business Dept. This device was included on all late SerIIa and after petrol vehicles for the express purpose of producing the smokescreen effect you witnessed. It should be noted that Land Rovers powered by the Heavy Oil engine did not need this device as they smoked well enough of thier own accord. (Hey.. makes sense to me!) Actually.. that is the British version of the PVC valve and if working properly should suck up the oily crankcase vapors directly into the intake manifold after which they will be drawn into the cylinders to be burnt, producing.... SMOKE! HaHa!! :) > The moral of this story, dear readers, as realised by my darling brother > is > "Before screwing around, always check your Diaphram!" Truer words have never been spoken!! Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 9 08:28:32 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Fri, 09 Dec 1994 02:32:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Oil seals To: dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: Nigel leaks! (This is news??) Russell is looking at seal replacement.. Sandy recomends... > > > > WRT the thread on oil seals, the best one to use is the Federal Mogul/ > > National #410694. It is *double lipped* and neither of these rides on And Russell scratches his head... > and where might I find one of these, pray tell?? Special order from my > local specialty auto shop? Russell... Check the yellow pages for a bearing supply place in your area.. They usually carry seals as well.. Federal Mogul/National shouldn't be too hard to find. *ALSO* ... when you need to replace things like wheel bearings, etc.. Try the bearing supply place before ordering from RN.. A good place can match up most of the roller bearings easily, and quite a bit less expensive than mail order.. Hey.. I even found what I needed right here in Gloversville (which is just down the road from East Podunk!!) Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 9 08:30:52 1994 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 09:18:05 -0500 To: land-rover-owner@team.net From: Chrisste@cerf.net (Chris Stevens) Subject: LRs for Sale Status: O X-Status: This morning's Baltimore Sun has the following for sale in case anyone is interested: LANDROVERS '56 LWB, runs great, $5750, '57 SWB Safari Wgn, $5000; '51 80" Trials winner, $6600. Phone: 301-261-5675. Chris Stevens BCG Corporate Communications (410) 583-1722 (410) 583-1935 (FAX) Chrisste@cerf.net R 1 3 2 H "Land Rover's first, becuase +--|--| | | Land Rovers last." 2 4 4 L '69 S.IIa 88" From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 9 09:51:02 1994 From: Craig Murray Subject: Re Sound deadening To: lro@team.net Date: Thu, 8 Dec 94 9:17:42 EDT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: O X-Status: Michael Loiodice wrote > Ben... Craig needs some industrial strength sound proofing material... He > says he can't hear his DIESEL over the sound the tranny makes... Yow!! That > must be one heck of LOUD transmission... I've ridden in Steve Denis' 109 > when it had the diesel engine... In Steve's words "louder than a Siberian > boiler factory".. he used to wear ear protectors.. you know those things > that look like big headphones... > Craig.. a while back there was a message thread about an accoustic material > some people were using.. Can't remember the name of the stuff but I > remember it was expensive.. > If you go the "old carpet" route.. find some nice thick pile stuff.. :) > I don't know about putting it under the hump/floor/seatbox.. That's in the > "automatic oiler" zone down there.. You can hear the motor when driving, but I think the sound is coming from the exhaust, as it exits between the fuel tank and the rear wheel on the drivers side, so it is just behind me. The reason that I want to put it under the transmission tunnel, is so that it looks like I don't have any, and I have been told that carpet rots after a while, and it will if a go through a bog at foster, the locals call the "glue pot", again, the mud came half way up my head lights, and stank of decay, thinkest mud I have ever seen, the locals reakon that you can get through it with road tyres on! But would the carpet being the automatic oiler zone, stop the carpet rotting? -- ============================================================================== Craig Murray 1955 Series 1 86" LROC of Victoria Australia 2.25 diesel LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia I slow for hills! email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au but not of my own will From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Fri Dec 9 11:21:59 1994 Date: Fri, 09 Dec 1994 12:11:48 -0500 From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) Phone: 201-564-2073 Subject: Re: LRs for Sale To: LRO@stratus.com Content-Type: Text Status: O X-Status: Chris shared: >> This morning's Baltimore Sun has the following for sale in case anyone is interested: LANDROVERS '56 LWB, runs great, $5750, '57 SWB Safari Wgn, $5000; '51 80" Trials winner, $6600. Phone: 301-261-5675. >> I believe that the '51 is the same 80" that won the Mid Atlantic trials course. It appears to be mechanically sound (runs well, goes well, doesn't get stuck), but is cosmetically rough. The canvas was pretty tatty. I don't know if this is a fair price or not (a couple of people at the meet said it was, but no one made an offer). I believe the owner imports them on a regular basis, explaining why he now has 3. I talked to him for a bit at the rally. Pretty interesting fellow. Buys & sells all sorts of things. I've forgotten his name though. Mike Lokodice (LANDROVER@delphi.com) could give you more info. If you decide to go with these or any other Series Is and do not reside in the UK, be prepared to order most of your parts direct from the UK. Bill maloney@wings.attmail.com From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 10:31:18 1994 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:43:06 -0500 (EST) From: Steven M Denis Subject: Re: question for 90 owners To: Andy Woodward Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 731 Status: O X-Status: The rear bed on the 90 is longer, true..... but...the real problem is at the windscreen mounting..the series vehicles and the 90/110's are totally incompatable...(they *both* still leak here tho..) so you could cobble the top and sides but that front edge would stop most of us....shortening a roof from a 110 might be the best idea and use the sides from a 110/109 and shrink them to size also.. good luck!!!! steve.... "HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..." "NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon Steven M. Denis " "-1957 107 Station Wagon PO Box 61 " "-1964 109 Pickup Erieville,New York USA " "_1967 109 NADA SW 13061 From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 10:38:02 1994 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 11:14:42 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "TeriAnn Wakeman" From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool) Subject: RE: question for 90 owners Cc: lro@team.net Status: O X-Status: TerriAnn writes: >In message <199412060221.AA19995@interserv.com> writes: >> DEFENDER 90 HARDTOPS NOW IN STOCK... ALLOCATION IS ONLY 5 TOPS/DEALER/MONTH >> FOR THE SHORT TERM! PART # LRNA90HTOP (can -u- figger dat one out?) at a > [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)] >> JIMBO >> jpappa01@interserv.com > >QUESTION for 90 owners > >I still don't know why someone with a US spec 90 couldn't remove the roll bar & >pop on a European spec 90 hard top. Can anyone with a 90 tell me why this can >not be done? It just strikes me as a possibly easy cheaper way to get a hard >top. > I have seen this suggestion before and, although horrified, have kept quiet ['til now]. Do you think the roll cage is just for show? You can't imagine why anyone would NOT remove the cage; I cannot imagine why anyone WOULD! There is another solution and those who read the British Land-Rover magazines must have noticed it, as it is quite common. Cut the bars where they pass trough the roof and weld in sandwich plates. To put on the roof, then, it is necessary to remove part of the cage and then reinstall it after installation of the top, bolting the sandwich plates through the roof. Some trouble and expense but worth it, IMHO, to preserve the safety of the cage. One of the serios flaws of the Land-Rover, to my way of thinking, has always been lack of proper roll-over protection and I DO plan to add it to mine, if I can ever afford it. If you have never been in eminent danger of roll-over, you have not yet used your Land-Rover hard enough.... Go figure. Mumble, mumble, mumble...... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ] [ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ] From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 10:38:19 1994 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 11:17:05 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: lro@team.net From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool) Subject: lug nut sizes Status: O X-Status: FYI: I have watched the recent and non-recent discussion about the lug nuts and there sizes on various ages of Land-Rovers and want to add a tid-bit. A few years back, I parted out a '68 bug-eyed 88 (or maybe it was one of my '67 or '68 109s) which had 1" lug nuts! They were, I'm pretty sure, the same thread as the 15/16" ones but one-sided, like the newer 1-1/16" ones. Far out, huh? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ] [ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ] From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 10:38:59 1994 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 11:17:39 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: lro@team.net From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool) Subject: Road & Track Discovery test Status: O X-Status: Fellow rovers of the net: I got my new (January) issue of Road & Track magazine the other day and it includes a "road test" of the Discovery. The article is also sort of a travel story and philosophical commentary, by Dennis Simanaitus, almost in the good ol' Henry N. Manney III vein. D.S. used the Discovery to tow his trailer'd Morgan four-seater all over creation, from So. Cal. to a rallye in Portland, OR. The Hon. Mr. S. had some really nice things to say. He commented that the Discovery was sort of the Morgan of 4x4 SUVs. As he said, high praise indeed. He said that, in a sea of Explorers, Blazers, Japanese clones, etc. the Discovery stands out in character, appearance, feel, class, and [as over- optioned for the test] price. He said that it really has no competitors. He said that a Land-Rover, of any flavor, is rather like a Morgan in that, if you want one, nothing else will do. I agree whole-heartedly. In fact, I would rather like to have an old flat-nosed Morgan as stable-mate for my Land-Rover(s). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ] [ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ] From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 10:39:44 1994 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:53:09 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: List trivia To: lro@stratus.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: While dtd'ng on my system at home, undertaking some *much* needed software maintenance, overhaul, reconfiguration, archiving of old stuff the following statistics were generated: Land Rover Mailing-List (lro@stratus.com) Month messages size (bytes) January 104 236,011 February 210 329,750 March 283 474,080 April 385 649,056 May 351 683,119 June 452 770,071 July 309 481,891 August 615 949,585 September 453 860,867 October 504 905,790 November 575 842,940 Totals after December... :-) From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 10:40:03 1994 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:45:41 -0800 (PST) From: Morgan Hannaford To: lro@team.net Subject: GATT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: O.K. all, let's talk politics!!!!! When I read about the new GATT proposal being embraced by the Demos and GOP alike, there was only one thing I could think of: What does it mean for new Land Rover and spares prices here in the U.S.? In particular, this huge tariff on 2-door SUVs (e.g. 90s). Let's go! Someone call Rush, quick! Morgan From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 10:40:24 1994 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 16:11:10 -0500 (EST) From: Jon Humphrey To: lro@team.net, Morgan Hannaford Subject: Re: GATT In-Reply-To: Status: O X-Status: Morgan, I thought the same thing. If this is true, what they said, then the tariff should virtually disappear. But does this apply to the UK. Or am I politicly immature? Lets hope it applies to spare parts and RN and others would reflect that. Maybe Ross Perrot could give us all some answers. ie; "yazee, it all goes like this, the big boys is playin with the little boys and my chart on the wall sez we ain't agettin nowhere. Now I propose we let ME handle all of it and we all come out OK. OK?" Let's hear it for Ross, or from Ross... OK? Later Jon From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 10:40:38 1994 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 15:06:35 -0800 (PST) From: Morgan Hannaford To: Jon Humphrey Cc: lro@team.net Subject: Re: GATT In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: > > Maybe Ross Perrot could give us all some answers. ie; > "yazee, it all goes like this, the big boys is playin with the little > boys and my chart on the wall sez we ain't agettin nowhere. Now I > propose we let ME handle all of it and we all come out OK. OK?" > Let's hear it for Ross, or from Ross... OK? > > Is it me, or is Ross Perot sounding more and more like Hunter S. Thompson? Well, at least Ross owns Land Rovers! Morgan From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 10:40:54 1994 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 18:57:37 -0500 From: Trinitee@aol.com To: ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Cc: lro@team.net Subject: Re: Subscribe Status: O X-Status: Ooops! It's a 1995 Discovery, automatic,sun roofs, jump seats,leather, et al. Since I'm on line, I'll ask a couple of questions that maybe you could help me on. Is there an aftermarket product that I can purchase to cover the sunroofs temporarily (like a shade, sliding or otherwise)? The flimsy sunshades that come from the factory are hopeless in the Texas summers. I put limo tint on to help. Is that ok? I've heard that some sunroofs can crack if tint is put on it. From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 10:40:59 1994 From: Trinitee@aol.com Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 18:57:37 -0500 To: ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Cc: lro@team.net Subject: Re: Subscribe Status: O X-Status: Ooops! It's a 1995 Discovery, automatic,sun roofs, jump seats,leather, et al. Since I'm on line, I'll ask a couple of questions that maybe you could help me on. Is there an aftermarket product that I can purchase to cover the sunroofs temporarily (like a shade, sliding or otherwise)? The flimsy sunshades that come from the factory are hopeless in the Texas summers. I put limo tint on to help. Is that ok? I've heard that some sunroofs can crack if tint is put on it. From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 10:41:30 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Fri, 09 Dec 1994 19:11:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: OOOO YEAH - I'm just a GQ GUY! To: John_Hong@3mail.3Com.COM, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"John_Hong@3mail.3Com.COM" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: John hears his name and looks up... > >An 88 with no roof... > >I took a real close look and this guy is tall.. and looks sorta oriental... > >OK John.. fess up.. Is that you?? > How did you know I was tall??? If we've met before when? I love to > associate faces with names. > No, I have not done any modeling work. I have been driving around in my > roofless rover while wearing a bright elf hat though! You went to the ARC Nationals, right?? I think you left a message on the 'Net to the effect that if anyone there saw a tall Korean, it would probably be you.. No... we've never met.. but I think Steve Denis said he met you and I know Steve... No.. we've never met... Watch that "bright elf hat" bit... On second thought, your on the west coast.. no-one will even notice... ;-) > Problem du jour is zippo clutch pressure - if I bleed the thing, I'm fine > again > ... until the next time a few weeks later - guess rebuild kits for slave Hopefully, your master and slave are still re-buildable.. Mine wasn't.. But, I did order a new master and slave from England.. Even with shipping by Air, the cost was less than buying just the slave from Rovers North. :) Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 10:41:49 1994 Posted-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 17:14:08 -0800 To: lro@team.net Subject: Re: LRs for Sale In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 09 Dec 1994 20:03:30 EST." <01HKGA3DQNHE92188T@delphi.com> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 1994 17:14:04 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Status: O X-Status: Someone wrote: > > This morning's Baltimore Sun has the following for sale in case anyone is > > interested: LANDROVERS '56 LWB, runs great, $5750, '57 SWB Safari Wgn, > > $5000; '51 80" Trials winner, $6600. Phone: 301-261-5675. Mike Loiodice wrote: > I recognized the phone number as belonging to Quintin Aspin. Some of us met > Quint at the ROAV Mid-Atlantic Rallye this year.. Quint and his step-son > Mike had the impressive Series I there... Ben will remember, I'm sure :) Remember what? I don't remember anything. It was just a nice drive in the woods with a slight drizzle. It's not like anyone has any pictures that can *prove* anything. Nope, nothing happened. I sure didn't get stuck. :) -Benjamin Smith ---------------- Science Applications Internation Corporation China Lake Naval Air Warfare Center bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil 1972 Land Rover Series III 88 From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 10:42:00 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Fri, 09 Dec 1994 20:03:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: LRs for Sale To: Chrisste@cerf.net, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"Chrisste@cerf.net" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: Chris Stevens found this while wrapping fish.... > This morning's Baltimore Sun has the following for sale in case anyone is > interested: LANDROVERS '56 LWB, runs great, $5750, '57 SWB Safari Wgn, > $5000; '51 80" Trials winner, $6600. Phone: 301-261-5675. I recognized the phone number as belonging to Quintin Aspin. Some of us met Quint at the ROAV Mid-Atlantic Rallye this year.. Quint and his step-son Mike had the impressive Series I there... Ben will remember, I'm sure :) Bill Maloney was correct. Quint does import Landys from time to time. Has quite a collection of other cars as well.. And he *is* quite a character. If anyone is interested in his address, E-Mail me direct. Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 10:42:34 1994 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 22:19:46 -0700 (MST) From: James Spyker Subject: Installing Block Heater To: roverweb Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I managed to get a new block heater for the Rover, it is a 1" national pipe thread unit used on Jags and various other vehicles. The only problem is removing the frost plugs from the engine. These are the aluminum disks on the left side of the engine behind the exhaust manifold. If anyone has a special method of getting these things out your input would be appreciated. BTW when it was minus 27 celsius the Rover would not go, the battery I use is too small. What is a good size in terms of cold cranking amps. It gets damn cold in Edmonton in the winter. BTW Dixon is right, EP90 in the cold is like glue, could barely move the gearshift in the morning. JSpyker 196? SIIA 88 (I wave for the hell of it) From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 10:42:47 1994 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 00:54:10 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: GATT To: Morgan Hannaford Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 9 Dec 1994, Morgan Hannaford wrote: > O.K. all, let's talk politics!!!!! Please! > What does it mean for new Land Rover and spares prices here in > the U.S.? In particular, this huge tariff on 2-door SUVs (e.g. 90s). Nada for Canada... > Let's go! Someone call Rush, quick! Spare us Flush please... From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 10:52:04 1994 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 01:09:50 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: Installing Block Heater To: James Spyker Cc: roverweb In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 9 Dec 1994, James Spyker wrote: > I managed to get a new block heater for the Rover, it is a 1" national > pipe thread unit used on Jags and various other vehicles. The only > problem is removing the frost plugs from the engine. These are the > aluminum disks on the left side of the engine behind the exhaust manifold. > If anyone has a special method of getting these things out your input > would be appreciated. Why pull a frost plug? Hit Cajan Tire and ask for a block heater (Tremro?) part number 2200015. The Cdn Tire number has a different starting sequence, but the ending bit is the same. It goes in just under the exhaust outlet for #4. There will be a plug in there. A real pain to get out, but it can be done. I have one of those and an inline heater in the lower hose for the 109. For real boiling efforts I am waiting for Dale to get the JC Whitless propane powered wonder with mega output and see how that gets his long suffering diesel to go, (It generally will not start afer September) > BTW Dixon is right, EP90 in the cold is like glue, could barely move the > gearshift in the morning. Time for some synthetic before you break the gearshift... :-) From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 10:53:57 1994 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 09:13:38 -0500 (EST) From: Steven M Denis Subject: Re: Installing Block Heater To: James Spyker Cc: roverweb In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1118 Status: O X-Status: If you have the one inch *threaded* unit, you'd best not take out the "freeze plugs" in the block....they are 2 1/8th (methinks) *pressed* in plugs....BTW...these plugs are more correctly called "Core clean out plugs".their only purpose is to allow the foundry to get (*most* of) the sand out of the cooling passages after casting..... The safest way to remove them is to take the manifolds off, take a *sharp* chisel (OK..a *screwdriver*..golly gosh..) POP a hole in the offending plug..and *pry* the silly thing loose.....(if this type of mechanical mayhem alarms your sensibilities you are driving the *wrong* vehicle!! 8-) ) I suppose that one could get the bloody thing out w/o removing manifolds..but it's like swimming the channel because the queue for the chunnel is too long...... steve...... "HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..." "NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon Steven M. Denis " "-1957 107 Station Wagon PO Box 61 " "-1964 109 Pickup Erieville,New York USA " "_1967 109 NADA SW 13061 From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 10:54:19 1994 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 09:23:29 -0500 (EST) From: Steven M Denis Sender: Steven M Denis Reply-To: Steven M Denis Subject: Re: Installing Block Heater To: Dixon Kenner Cc: James Spyker , roverweb In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Length: 697 Status: O X-Status: Ummm Dixon?....can you clue us on *price*...seems R$N sells the same unit but It may be a *wee* bit higher from them (Tincan Tire seems to be reasonable on some things..) Can't find the blasted thing anywhere else.... On the Synthetic Oils in a rover check with gerryob@delphi.com....has been running Amsoil in a (tottally shot) diesel 88 for *years* steve.... (I wave extradition) "HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..." "NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon Steven M. Denis " "-1957 107 Station Wagon PO Box 61 " "-1964 109 Pickup Erieville,New York USA " "_1967 109 NADA SW 13061 From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 10:54:53 1994 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 16:59:18 -0500 To: Land-Rover-Owner@Team.Net From: rwegner@fimage.synapse.net (Richard Wegner) Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Status: O X-Status: > BTW Dixon is right, EP90 in the cold is like glue, could barely move the > gearshift in the morning. Just thought I would pass on my experience with synthetic. I flushed out the heavy goop in both diffs, transfer case, and transmission this summer before our trip across Canada and replaced it with synthetic. Our 74 SIII now actually moves easily on colder winter mornings, although we haven't had the -30 stuff yet, and I can shift gears efortlessly. The LR is used regularly in the winter time in our woodlot so I really appreciate the difference synthetic has made. I have also changed over to synthetic oil in the engine after it was rebuilt, and have noticed that the engine starts easier and runs smoother. Gone too, is the tapping noise that the engine used to make waiting for the oil to start moving around and start lubricating. The changeover is a bit expensive, but well worth it! Cheers :-> From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 10:55:22 1994 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 17:35:02 EST From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE) To: land-rover-owner@team.net Subject: Camel Trophy Memorabilia Status: O X-Status: Okay, sportsfans...here's the deal. I have *one* Camel Trophy Zippo lighter left over after the Mid-Atlantic Rally. I was going to use it as the grand prize for next year's event...but then I figured it'll be outdated by that time. It's a standard brass-plated Zippo, engraved with the Camel Trophy logo and the location and year of *all* of the events, including this year's in South America. I'm putting it up for auction, with the proceeds to go to the club treasury. This will be a sealed bid auction...you have *one* chance to send in a bid to the below e-mail address. The bidding will be open through next Friday (12/16), so I can mail it out in time for Christmas, though it may take a little longer an overseas winner. Bids in US dollars, please; I don't want to have to make the conversion from dinars or drachmas. I'm not making any money on this...it was donated by RJR/Worldwide Brands and the club will get all the proceeds. *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----* | | | Sandy Grice, Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com FAX: 804-622-7056 | | Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days) 804-423-4898 (Evenings) | | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA | *------------------------------------------------------* From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 10:55:52 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 02:52:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: LRs for Sale To: bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: The desert air hasn't done Ben's memory any good... > Mike Loiodice wrote: > > I recognized the phone number as belonging to Quintin Aspin. Some of us met > > Quint at the ROAV Mid-Atlantic Rallye this year.. Quint and his step-son > > Mike had the impressive Series I there... Ben will remember, I'm sure :) > So then Ben starts hemmin' and hawin' > Remember what? I don't remember anything. It was just a nice > drive > in the woods with a slight drizzle. It's not like anyone has any pictures > that can *prove* anything. Nope, nothing happened. I sure didn't get > stuck. > > :) Pictures?? Pictures?? Oh yeah, that's right. I've got to get them processed yet.. :) Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 10:56:36 1994 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 13:19:19 +0100 To: lro@stratus.com From: tmot0030@cdc8g5.cdc.polimi.it (Ludovico) Subject: Ascii Rovers (late) Status: O X-Status: I'm a little late on this, here's my contribution... _________________________________________________________ __________________________ |--------------------------| 1984 /____________________________\ Series III || || || 88 || || || Land Rover || || || Station Wagon ||______ ______||______ ______|| |______ / ______ \ ______| | __ | ___|______|___ | __ | |O / \ ||___|______|___|| / \ O| |O \__/ ||___|______|___|| \__/ O| | ||___|______|___|| | | | \__|______|__/ | | |_______|_____\____/_____|_______| |__________________________________| | | | | | | | | ____|____|______________________|____|___________________ For William Grouell - Sorry for the delay, I'll send you a message with all the details you need next week Ludo tmot0030@cdc8g5.cdc.polimi.it From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 10:56:41 1994 Via: uk.ac.edinburgh.castle; Sun, 11 Dec 1994 16:42:13 +0000 From: Mr Ian Stuart Organization: Vet-lab,The Univ of Edinburgh To: lro@stratus.com Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 16:41:51 +0000 Subject: Re: List trivia Reply-To: Ian.Stuart@edinburgh.ac.uk Priority: normal Status: O X-Status: > Land Rover Mailing-List (lro@stratus.com) > > Month messages size (bytes) > January 104 236,011 > February 210 329,750 > March 283 474,080 > April 385 649,056 > May 351 683,119 > June 452 770,071 > July 309 481,891 > August 615 949,585 > September 453 860,867 > October 504 905,790 > November 575 842,940 And what happened in July/August? ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 31 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. WWW sites: Work -- Play -- #======================================================================# Pessimists are often pleasently suprised by life, |Land Rover owners do optimists find it full of disappointments. | it in the mud. From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 10:57:10 1994 From: BwanaE@aol.com Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 12:14:37 -0500 To: land-rover-owner@team.net Subject: 2.6 litre stuff Status: O X-Status: For any other brave souls out there who are still running the original 2.6 litre NADA 6-cylinder in their LWB SW ( the way God and Solihul intended), here's a brief note and a question: To convert from the C-42 generator to an alternator, you need the following: #587433 Adjusting bracket - alternator $ 21.50 ERC2363 Mounting bracket 7.50 ERC2364 Mounting bracket 7.25 4444 Lucas 70 amp alternator 249.85 *Note: prices and part numbers are from British Rovers @ 800-327-6837. Here's the question part: Has anybody out there experience with converting from the stock pulley driven fan over to a thermostatically-controlled, electric fan? This is my next project and unless I hear contrary advice, I was going to order an extra-heavy duty unit from Whitney and give it a go. Any thoughts? BwanaE (Eric Cope) 67 LWB SW, 2.6l NADA 64 SWB, "beater" From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 10:58:36 1994 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 12:48:37 -0500 From: William Caloccia To: lro@team.net Subject: forwarded message Status: O X-Status: Date: 10 Dec 94 17:45:14 EST From: "WILLIAM L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com> Subject: Wheel nuts Once more to the breach dear friends, where can I buy a gun, this is driving me crazy trying to send a message.Got some of the mail. Re: wheel nuts. Ser 1, 2 an d 2a wheel studs are 9/16 in British Standard Fine ( BSF ) the spanner size is a Whitworth size, not 15/16 in. Late 2a's were fitted with 9/16 in studs and special nuts hich are 27 mm accross flats. Near enough 1 1/16 in for our colonial associates. Ser 3 are fitted with 16 mm dia wheel studs. ( colonials note metric not inch. ) and the nut is 27 mm. The larger a/f wheel nuts can of course be retrofitted to older vehicles but I rec that the fitting of the 16 mm pull thro studs to the earlier vehicles is a major benefit to safety and security of wheel mounting. Incidentally whilst on the subject "DO NOT" repeat "DO NOT" be tempted to weld the small to the back of the wheel hub. This is extremely dangerous and can result in the loss of the roadwheel. The welding process alters the structure of the steel an d makes it brittle and thus very likely to shear easily. Hope this is worth the typing effort Rgds. Bill From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 10:59:01 1994 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 13:16:36 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: List trivia To: Ian.Stuart@edinburgh.ac.uk Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <124FBE211D@lab0.vet.ed.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 11 Dec 1994, Mr Ian Stuart wrote: > > July 309 481,891 > > August 615 949,585 > And what happened in July/August? The counts were done based on the date stamp of the individual message files in the aliases newsgroup (fourfold.lro). Several times this past year, the IP link to ocunix.on.ca dropped at uunet.ca. When this happens, mail piles up and is released into this domain all at once. A drop could have occurred at the end of July. If so, you could move some 50-60 messages from August to July. Otherwise, the bulk of us were out having fun in the summer months (the few that we get here...:-)) Rgds, From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 10:59:18 1994 From: Julianbak@aol.com Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 14:40:49 -0500 To: LRO-Digest@uk.stratus.com Subject: Land Rover Cold Starts Status: O X-Status: HI, My 1966 Series 11A with Solex Carb starts and idles great once warmed-up, but starting the engine from cold requires 5-10 re-starts and much coxing the throttle. Does anyone know if the Zenith carb is better with cold starts. I am thinking of switching to the Zenith, but only if it improves the situation. Julian, Portland Oregon From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 11:00:00 1994 From: WB6AGE@aol.com Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 16:49:42 -0500 To: Land-rover-owner@team.net Subject: Re. synthetics Status: O X-Status: Have used synthetics (Mobil products) in all my rolling stock for years with excellent experience. Typically I have found that it maintains it's viscosity at low low temperatures making sub zero shifts and starts easy. Also excellent anitfriction qualities, gearbox inspection after 150,000 plus miles of synthetic gear lube operation found all parts, except synchros, to be within spec. I use all synthetic lubes in my 60 SII 88 with the exception of engine oil, The diesel has a large enough pan capacity and a frequent enough change interval that my bank account can't afford it. However I have used 15W-50 synthetic in our 82 Nissan wagon. At 132,000 miles the engine uses no oil and an inspection of the valve area shows no varnish or sludge deposits, and that is with a full oil change every 20,000 miles and a filter and top off every 5,000. Also use all synthetic gear and auto trans fluid in my 77 Mercedes 300D. Again, 185,000 miles with zero problems. Go figure. Bob Cosentino, WB6AGE@AOL.COM 1960 SII 88 Perkins conversion From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 11:01:12 1994 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 16:21:46 -0800 (PST) From: John Hess To: lro@stratus.com Subject: I'm home! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hello everyone!, The formerly wannbe land rover owner is now at home and IS a Land Rover owner! Call it trial by fire (or stupidity or cheapness??) but we bought the Dormobile in MAINE and drove it home (central valley of northern California). I will be posting multiple messages later but I am modeming now and my PPP connection actually makes typing too slow! Final tally: maine to california, 1 broken wheel (yes wheel) 1 broken speedo cable (keeps the original miles low!) and one oil leak from the engine way in back where I can't see it yet. Used 6 quarts of oil. No 90 wt. No coolant lost. Russell id a great host and went above and beyond to help me out by phone. I think he is right now traveling but hope someday he can get out to visit me. That goes for the rest of you too. I put Ben Smith up on our lumpy (too small for him, but so is his 88) futon, and welcome anyone else who is in the neighborhood to stop bye. Thanks, will be posting other stuff with appropriate subject lines, John Katherine and Alex (he's 8) Hess. From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 11:01:19 1994 From: WB6AGE@aol.com Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 19:46:21 -0500 To: Land-rover-owner@team.net Subject: synthetics Status: O X-Status: Have used synthetics (Mobil products) in all my rolling stock for years with excellent experience. Typically I have found that it maintains it's viscosity at low low temperatures making sub zero shifts and starts easy. Also excellent anitfriction qualities, gearbox inspection after 150,000 plus miles of synthetic gear lube operation found all parts, except synchros, to be within spec. I use all synthetic lubes in my 60 SII 88 with the exception of engine oil, The diesel has a large enough pan capacity and a frequent enough change interval that my bank account can't afford it. However I have used 15W-50 synthetic in our 82 Nissan wagon. At 132,000 miles the engine uses no oil and an inspection of the valve area shows no varnish or sludge deposits, and that is with a full oil change every 20,000 miles and a filter and top off every 5,000. Also use all synthetic gear and auto trans fluid in my 77 Mercedes 300D. Again, 185,000 miles with zero problems. Go figure. Bob Cosentino, WB6AGE@AOL.COM 1960 SII 88 Perkins conversion From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 11:01:46 1994 From: Craig Murray Subject: Loads of 2.25 diesel stuff!! To: lro@team.net Date: Mon, 12 Dec 94 13:07:22 EDT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: O X-Status: Hi all, I tried re-timing the motor so that it blew less smoke, so I tried to move the distributor pump while the motor was running, and I could not get the pump to budge at all!, so I tried the spill method, it worked! it blew less smoke, but I managed the impossible, I reduced the power out put, (I hear you ask, how can he reduce the power when there is none to start with!), but it would only slugishly accelerate(If thats the right word!) down hills!!!! so I moved it back to its smokey old position. I'm just about to give up, and paying some-one to get it right! -- ============================================================================== Craig Murray 1955 Series 1 86" LROC of Victoria Australia 2.25 diesel LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia I slow for hills! email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au but not of my own will From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 11:03:23 1994 From: Craig Murray Subject: It's off the road at last!! To: lro@team.net Date: Mon, 12 Dec 94 13:35:47 EDT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: O X-Status: Hi all, This sunday I finally took my little series 1 four wheelin'. The first decent mud hole I came to, I got stuck in, have to get used to using the load pedal (Very load in fact) and that thing they call momentum. Then along some tracks until we came across a tree down across the track, and being the wise packers that we are, we said, ho, we don't have a chain saw, or an axe, so we got out to see if there was a way round, this is were disaster struck, my normally good hand break decided it was not going to work, so my vehicle rolled into the tree, noramlly this would not be so bad, but the tree was in the air, and bent the top of my snorkle, (Spenny do you want me to take new photos so that they have a snorkle that looks not so new or just the ones I've already got?) So we eventually turn around and take another track that by passes the tree, and take a wrong turn, down this really over grown track, and being a hot day, I had decided to take the door tops off, ouch! what a mistake! my brother, ended up sitting in the back of the shortie to stop all the branches from scratching him! This scrub also broke my mirror! Eventually we got back on track, and while we were having a break for lunch, I noticed that one of the windows in the rear quater panel, was falling out! I think the window seals are little passed their used by date! After lunch we drove a few more tracks, through a particularly shallow (Unfortunately) river, and then on to an interesting hill, not long, but steep, and it looks like a creek bed going up hill! I managed to pick my way up it though, and I did not even need my diff lock! After that I drove through some more mud holes. Later after crawling down a hill into a crowded picnic ground, I just got out of sight of the campers when my front prop shaft fell off! talk about timing, so I high tailed it home after that. But I really like the diesel for driving in the bush, a lot more that my holden boatanchor, I mean motor. By for Now. P.S. next week the 1000 Mile service!!!!! -- ============================================================================== Craig Murray 1955 Series 1 86" LROC of Victoria Australia 2.25 diesel LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia I slow for hills! email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au but not of my own will From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 11:03:40 1994 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 23:07:34 -0600 (CST) From: David John Place To: William Caloccia Cc: lro@team.net Subject: Re: forwarded message In-Reply-To: <199412111748.MAA01433@tornadic.sw.stratus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I have a question about these wheel nuts. I have 8 Land Rovers with both the double beveled nuts and the single beveled nuts and in almost all of them the thread did not come through the top of the nut. In fact I would say the studs on all of them are too short for the nuts Land Rover supplies. Has anyone ever checked to see why this is so? Dave VE4PN From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 11:03:54 1994 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 23:11:17 -0600 (CST) From: David John Place To: Julianbak@aol.com Cc: LRO-Digest@uk.stratus.com Subject: Re: Land Rover Cold Starts In-Reply-To: <941211144048_3302502@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Don't change carbs yet. See the last copy of Alum. Workhors and make a heat oven for your carb. It should solve the problem. If it doesn't, try checking the choke plate to make sure it is closing properly. It sounds like you need a richer mixture for a minute or two till you get heat. Dave VE4PN On Sun, 11 Dec 1994 Julianbak@aol.com wrote: > HI, > > My 1966 Series 11A with Solex Carb starts and idles great once warmed-up, but > starting the engine from cold requires 5-10 re-starts and much coxing the > throttle. Does anyone know if the Zenith carb is better with cold starts. I > am thinking of switching to the Zenith, but only if it improves the > situation. > > Julian, Portland Oregon > From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 11:04:13 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 01:27:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: It's off the road at last!! To: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: Craig has a really fun day at off-roading... > This sunday I finally took my little series 1 four wheelin'. The Oh, yes.. the *first* time off-road.. sorta like your first kiss... ....And then the fun started!! > first decent mud hole I came to, I got stuck in, have to get used to ....slurp > is were disaster struck, my normally good hand break decided it was not > going to work, so my vehicle rolled into the tree, noramlly this would > not be so bad, but the tree was in the air, and bent the top of my > snorkle, ....bang > and take a wrong turn, down this really over grown track, and being a hot ...sweat > branches from scratching him! This scrub also broke my mirror! ...crunch > lunch, I noticed that one of the windows in the rear quater panel, was > falling out! I think the window seals are little passed their used by ...crash > a crowded picnic ground, I just got out of sight of the campers when my > front prop shaft fell off! talk about timing, so I high tailed it home > after that. ...clunk Obviously, the smile never left your face!! :) Aw Gee, Craig.. that sounds like fun... And here we are.. the start of the bloody winter... snow flying.. temperature below freezing and falling.. Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 11:05:53 1994 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 94 09:13:57 EST From: robdav@sunshine.vab.paramax.com (Robert Davis) To: Land-Rover-Owner@team.net Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Status: O X-Status: For those of you who think its fine to remove the 90 rool cage take time to read an article in the December LRO called "Disaster in the Desert". Nice couple traveling in Series III 109 with rool cage. 109 takes tumble leg is severed at knee. "before leaving UK we had an internal roll cage fitted at Ken Slavins'. Without this we would have not stood a chance." Take the gospel from the horses mouth... Vehicle totaled blah blah blah. I was hit in a 109 56 stiches to the forehead. I won't drive a canvas with out one of the military roll bars. Its not as safe as a cage, but its a lot better protection over the hoop set. For those of you with only a hoop for roll over protection, may got keep you from roll overs. Cheers R&D From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 11:07:00 1994 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 94 10:09:16 EST From: robdav@sunshine.vab.paramax.com (Robert Davis) To: Land-Rover-Owner@team.net Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Status: O X-Status: I'm doing an engine conversion and have talked to Scotty, thanks TerriAnn. He is out of adapters, but will have a new batch in a few months. Does anyone have or know of an extra. Steve Johnson had a repaired one for sale at the ROAV rally, but I have not been able to reach him. His had been broken at one time. Anyway please help. I'm going to try the marine version of the Iron Duke 151, which has a longer str(sorry overran) ,which has a longer stroke, alot more torque, and displacement to 181 (3.0 liter). Get this its rated @ 140 bhp. It bolts right in, need only Scotty's adapter. Also, I would like to have a chat with someone who is running this engine to find out what manifolds and water inlet pieces they used. Pleas help if possible. Looking up to not slowing down to 20 mph while towing with only 77bhp. R&D From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 11:07:41 1994 From: "Richard Lucking" Organization: Dept.Computation UMIST To: lro@team.net Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 15:47:53 GB/EIRE Subject: Sump plug stuck X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal Status: O X-Status: A quick introduction before my problem: I am Richard Lucking, a second year Computation undergraduate at UMIST, in Manchester (England for all you over the 'pond'). I have a '69 SIIA 88" Hard top with 2.25 petrol engine. I only bought it a week before the start of this semester, and have had to leave it at home :-( . My dad has been working on it while I am here, with me just ordering bits when he needs them! (Honest, I didn't ask him to!). My *current* problem is that the sump oil plug is stuck. All the bolts/plugs have been put on *very* tight (The wheel nuts needed a 5' long bar to get enough torque on them! The previous owned payed a garage to service it and I think they used a power tool to tighten them - any ideas?). In addition to this the sump plug has been rounded off, and *nothing* my dad has tried will undo it (Spanners, mole wrenches etc.) and I think it would be a good idea to change the oil before I drive it to much, as the previous owner (My parents friends son!) didn't think it had been changed since he got it (about 8 months!) Thanks in advance Richard Lucking (Tricky) ------------------------------------------------ From: Richard Lucking email: bu063@ist2.co.umist.ac.uk phone: (0161) 224 6641 (flat 48) ================================================ From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 11:08:04 1994 From: Mike Rooth Subject: More Defenders on Le Continong To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Mon, 12 Dec 94 16:18:21 GMT Status: O X-Status: Just seen on the Midlands TV news. Land Rover have won a sixteen million quid contract to supply Defenders to various Italian public services.delivery to commence in March next year.Forestry people among others. Didnt say which model of Defender.Anyone got any more details, since we are usually the *last* to find out! Cheers Mike Rooth From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 11:08:24 1994 Date: 12 Dec 94 10:33:14 EST From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> To: lro Subject: Re: Land Rover Cold Starts Status: O X-Status: Julian (Julianbak@aol.com) wondered: > (..snip..) Does anyone know if the Zenith carb is better with cold starts. I > am thinking of switching to the Zenith, but only if it improves the > situation. Frankly, I don't know any carb that's good with cold starts, at least not on the Land Rover. It's efi that has let me see the light (yeah!) *If* you're considering to switch carbs, then replace the Solex with a Weber, if anything. Changing from a Solex to a Zenith would be a bit like coming out of the rain and getting under the shower... sort of. Stefan From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Dec 12 11:08:36 1994 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:58:48 +0001 (EST) From: Randy Parker Subject: Re: GATT To: Morgan Hannaford Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 9 Dec 1994, Morgan Hannaford wrote: > When I read about the new GATT proposal being embraced by the > Demos and GOP alike, there was only one thing I could think of: > > What does it mean for new Land Rover and spares prices here in > the U.S.? In particular, this huge tariff on 2-door SUVs (e.g. 90s). FWIW, I asked the LRNA zone mgr about GATT & D90 pricing and he didn't think it had any impact. I don't quite understand that -- I mean, wasn't that the WHOLE point of GATT? Wonderful politicians.... Cheers, -- RP From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Dec 12 12:42:09 1994 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 94 10:28:02 PST From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn) To: lro@team.net Subject: RR fuel problem Status: RO X-Status: The other night I ran out of fuel and when I filled up the tank it only took 18.5 gallons instead of 20, in spite of my best topping up efforts. This seemed odd to me as I'm sure on previous occasions I have put in 18.5 gallons immediately after the warning light came on; this time the light had been on for a while. Does anybody have any ideas on this? When I ran out of fuel, I was parked and restarting after leaving the vehicle during dinner. It started, then conked out after reversing out of my parking spot. I would have thought 1.5 gallons remaining would be enough to whet its appetite. Cheers John Brabyn 89RR From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Dec 12 12:53:53 1994 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 94 10:44:37 PST From: labranch@sybase.com (Jason LaBranch) To: lro@team.net Subject: It's a baby! My First Rover Content-Length: 802 Status: RO X-Status: Hey Folks, Well, I have my first Rover, thanks to Granville Pool. Granville delivered it this saturday to my home. It may be a few weeks before I get it reliably on the road but I am patient. Also, Morgan Hannaford came over to see the beast delivered and we all went and had a beer at Carrera's in Emeryville. On Sunday I went out to look the Rover over (hey that rimes) and three older ladies came out of the woodwork with oohs and aahs. They were unsuspecting Land Rover buffs. One had been looking for a Land Rover to buy for a long time. The other had a friend who owned one and had not driven it for NINE YEARS and had finally just given to the lady. It was all quite amussing. It is a 1970 88" series IIa and I promise to you all that I will take very good care of it. Jason LaBranch From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Dec 12 14:07:49 1994 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:59:03 -0800 To: lro@team.net From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell) Subject: fuel pump query & IBEX note (or vice versa?) + misc rambling Status: RO X-Status: So, my rover (74, 88") is suddenly in need of some care (after driving cross country with all my belongings and commuting a few hundred miles a week for several months). 1. My fuel pump is leaking. It has been the caue of problewms before. I am inclined to replace it. I would rebuild it, but last time I tried to do that, I discovered that it was not "genuine" part, and could not be rebuilt (I can't identify the make). Anyway, when I spoke with RN about this a while back, they indicated that the original fuel pump w/sediment bowel was no longer available. Is there a source for these original fuel pumps. I like the idea and practice of the sediment bowel, and the ability to rebuild so easily. Otherwise, how do people feel about the newer sediment-bowel-less pumps? 2. My brakes suddenly got weird. I've been suspecting a hub seal leak for a while (familiar squealing noises invoking memories of a previous hub seal failure) but a few days ago, the brakes changed feel entirely. They don't seem to be leaking fluid (I redid the brakes entirely during the last 4 years... new shoes quite recently)... it just feels like the power assist has gone away altogether or that they suddenly went way out of adjustment. I haven't pulled the drums off yet (it's been raining nd I am too much of a weather-wimp... some sort of backlash after working in the boston snowdrifts last year ;) When I tried locking the brakes yesterday on wet pavement, the front right and rear left wheels locked reliably, but the other two just kept rolling. Hmmmm... 3. I am going to take a crack at my oil pump to cure that pesky drop in oil pressure. Somehow the choice of a green light for oil pressure loss seems a bit strange (makes me want to hit the gas pedal when I see it). Probably also replace my dead oil pressure gauge. 4. Gonna get my cracked windshield fixed (it's actually covered by my insurance with $0 deductible!). Anyone had their front glass replaced by a normal car glass place? Are they able to deal with a series rover? Guess I'll find out.. 5. I removed the rear seats. They were really space-inefficient. Anyways, I want to continue on my soundproofing efforts, and they were in the way. For short trips, I'll let the passengers suffer ;) I remember someone on the list mentioned buying some closed cell foam from a good rubber supply store in Berkeley (or SF?). I'd be interested in that reference if the original poster is still around (they were doing a seat-box installation I believe). 6. Gonna do a general tuneup (before going cross country, the engine was amazingly smooth... but the miles are starting to show) and possibly adjust the tappet arm clearences (is that the right word... I always describe that wrong and someone thinks I am ripping the whole engine apart!). Of course, new oil all round (it has been faithfully changed every 2-3K). 7. With respect to IBEX acquisition. Anyone have any idea what the "new" IBEX (or whatever it's gonne be called) will be like? Foers said he's send info when it was available, but I am over-eager... Also, Granville mentioned building an IBEX on a RR base (and John Foers supported this general tactic in his letter to me). Granville: I was wondering if you were using the wrecked RR as a starting point purely for title purposes, or because of the number of common parts involved? In some ways, it seems more reasonable (easier?) to get/start-with a hosed series vehicle, which looks more generally like the IBEX, than with the more modern RR whose end appearence will be at totally changed (thinking in terms of getting inpected, and of the relative ease of finding a dead series vehicle). Most of the parts will be replaced in either case. I realize you still need to use a lot of the RR/Defender components, but is that the main issue? Moreover, what are the rules/laws governing kit cars? Anyone know these and how they would apply to this situation? Finally, where is the best place to search for totalled RRs? It sounds like there are at least 3 people in NoCal USA interested in the IBEX... I am in favor of sourcing/fabrication collaboration. Anyone else game? jory bell jory@mit.edu From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Dec 12 14:07:50 1994 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 94 15:02:24 EST From: robdav@sunshine.vab.paramax.com (Robert Davis) To: Land-Rover-Owner@team.net Subject: Engine Conversion: adapter & tech info Status: RO X-Status: Well there may be a solution to towing at 20 mph (uphill). I talked to Scotty (thanks MaryAnn) and found that the marine version of the Iron Duke four cylinder would fit into the Land Rover with little modification. The engine will fit Scotty's adapter and produces 140 hp with more low end torque than the original 77hp 2.25 petrol. The longer stroke marine engine called the 181 (for displacement in inches) measures 3.0 liters. Questions: Does anyone have a Scottys adapter for sale... Scotty has none in stock and will not make a production for a while. Steve Johnson had one that had been repaired, but I have not been able to reach him. Does anyone know anyone that has sucessfully completed this conversion? Does anyone know which manifolds to use? The car version of the Iron Duke 151 has a different head and the manifolds are not interchangable. The early version of the Iron Duke 151 (2.5 liter) was used in jeeps and postal vehicles, but I do not know what year to ask for and what vehicle. You know the story we can't look up the part without first knowing what vehicle and associated year, I'm told. The low end torque and 140hp sounded soo good I already bought an engine. help R&D From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Dec 12 15:03:29 1994 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 16:25:48 -0500 From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) Phone: 201-564-2073 Subject: This 'N GATT To: LRO@stratus.com Content-Type: Text Status: RO X-Status: Richard asks: >> My *current* problem is that the sump oil plug is stuck. ... In addition to this the sump plug has been rounded off, and *nothing* my dad has tried will undo it (Spanners, mole wrenches etc.) and I think it would be a good idea to change the oil before I drive it to much, as the previous owner (My parents friends son!) didn't think it had been changed since he got it (about 8 months!) >> Looks like Uncle Mike isn't the only one who's been abusing those little moles :-). You could try several things (pull the sump 1st in all cases): 1. 1st pull the sump (yup, it'll be messy. REAL messy. Even Uncle Mike's thickest Wooly Pully won't be able to soak up the spill you're about to create). Then clean it thoroughly (and yourself - used motor oil contains some nasty carcinogens). Now, with a good vice grip wrench at the ready and pre adjusted to get the best grip (but not on the plug yet), heat the pan around the plug with a propane torch as hot as you can get it. Then (with the sump secured in a vice taking care not to warp it) clamp on the vice grips and try to turn it off. Hopefully it is not cross threaded as well. 2. Another avenue would be to cut/grind the head off all the way to the plug core. Hopefully the plug head/washer will have been the only cause of the binding and it will screw out using a pick or by hand. 3. Drill the plug and attempt to remove it with an easy-out (recommend doing #2 first). Keep in mind that if it were in there tight enough to round off the flats when faced with a proper wrench, to unscrew it will require more than enough torque to snap an easy-out (Just try drilling one of those things out). 4. Good lord! You're in the UK anyway, so just pick up a used sump for a couple of quid and save yourself a pile of aggravation 8-o (if you've buggered it up trying 1-3, you'll have to do this anyway). It's a good idea to pull the pan and clean it out with any vehicle you've just purchased. You'll get an idea of how much of your bearings are no longer in their shells and the oil will stay cleaner MUCH longer. Good Luck! Bob contemplates: >> I'm going to try the marine version of the Iron Duke 151, which has a longer str(sorry overran) ,which has a longer stroke, alot more torque, and displacement to 181 (3.0 liter). Get this its rated @ 140 bhp. It bolts right in, need only Scotty's adapter. >> Marine engines do as a rule put out greater HP and torque. This is due to differences in bore, stroke, and CAM. This is all fine as long as you are prepared to accept reduced low end and high end power/torque. The cam is the largest factor in this equasion. Marine cams are designed to produce maximum power in a relatively narrow rpm band (as compared to the wide rpm variations in automotive use). Automotive cams must provide good power at low rpms for accelleration (as you always have a direct link to the pavement), where in a marine cam all you do is push the throttle forward, suffer a little cavitation as the prop winds up, and you're on your way. If it's for your own use and the engine was cheap/free, go ahead. It would be fun to see how the combination works out (Hopefully the manifolds and head gaskets will be interchangeable, they're not always between marine & automotive versions of the same engine). If you plan to turn around and sell it, make sure the buyer is aware of and comfortable with what you have done. Randy Responded to Morgan: >> > What does it mean for new Land Rover and spares prices here in > the U.S.? In particular, this huge tariff on 2-door SUVs (e.g. 90s). FWIW, I asked the LRNA zone mgr about GATT & D90 pricing and he didn't think it had any impact. I don't quite understand that -- I mean, wasn't that the WHOLE point of GATT? >> The point is that they want to pocket the 25% they will save from the elimination of the truck/SUV (or whatever it's called) tax as a nice little windfall. Why pass on the savings to the American consumer when our friends (well SOME of them anyway, Dixon) to the north are happy to pay the same amount W/O the import tax? :-) It's too bad, really. If they could bring it down to about $20K US (OK, 33%), then some of us snobby (and economically challenged) series owners would be able to get a shot at one (HELLO JIMBO!!! - high volume @ moderate price > low volume sales @ high price - well maybe anyway). Bill I wave at tsunamis. maloney@wings.attmail.com From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Dec 12 15:10:29 1994 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 16:05:46 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: fuel pump query & IBEX note (or vice versa?) + misc rambling To: jory bell Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 12 Dec 1994, jory bell wrote: > 1. My fuel pump is leaking. It has been the caue of problewms before. I am > inclined to replace it. I would rebuild it, but last time I tried to do > that, I discovered that it was not "genuine" part, and could not be rebuilt > (I can't identify the make). AC. It is marginally more to replace the whole thing than to rebuilt the fuel pump. Assuming you have a petrol, the pumps are available from the UK. I picked one up a year ago. The only annoying aspect is the sedeiment bowls are now plastic. Happily I have a set of glass Scotch shot glasses already... :-) > rebuild so easily. Otherwise, how do people feel about the newer > sediment-bowel-less pumps? Didn't even know there were any around. Unless they are a lot cheaper... > 4. Gonna get my cracked windshield fixed (it's actually covered by my > insurance with $0 deductible!). Anyone had their front glass replaced by a > normal car glass place? Are they able to deal with a series rover? Guess > I'll find out.. They should have a sheet of flat glass kicking about to cut to shape. > It sounds like there are at least 3 people in NoCal USA interested in the > IBEX... I am in favor of sourcing/fabrication collaboration. Anyone else > game? Interest around here is more along the 101 FC lines... :-) Rgds From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Dec 12 15:18:46 1994 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 15:12:12 -0600 From: Marcus Tooze To: lro@stratus.com Subject: request address Status: RO X-Status: Hey there, I just bought a 1967 109 Safari Landrover and would like to join your list. What is the request address?? Marcus From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Dec 12 18:01:32 1994 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 94 15:57:13 PST From: mtalbot@InterServ.Com (Mark Talbot) To: LRO@TEAM.NET Subject: Gearbox Crossmember Status: RO X-Status: All, I have a spare (new) replacement SII/III gearbox crossmember. Any takers @ $35.00. First come, first serve. Mark From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Dec 12 18:45:24 1994 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 94 16:46:20 PST From: labranch@sybase.com (Jason LaBranch) To: lro@team.net Subject: Mixing Fuels Content-Length: 584 Status: RO X-Status: Now that I have my new (old) Rover I will have some questions for all you wise-old-people-who-have-come-before-me (yes that is one word). Qestion: I have read somewhere that the Land Rover engine, I beleive the 2.25 petrol engine, is capable of running with fuel mixtures such as, petrol and diesel, or petrol and karosene. Is this true? What are the advantages and disadvantages of this? I would imagine you have to tune the engine to do this. What kind of tunning is required? What are good mixtures to use? Thanks for your attention, Jason LaBranch 70' Series IIA 88" From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Dec 12 19:50:33 1994 Date: 12 Dec 94 20:48:57 EST From: "WILLIAM L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com> To: Lro Subject: Subsciption Status: RO X-Status: Please send me details of the method of subcribing to the Lro net. I am on Compuserve , user I/d 75473,3572 and situated in Buffalo ,Western NY. I have a LWB which is currently back home in the UK. I plan to import it to the Us in 95 Regards Bill Leacock. From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Dec 12 19:59:31 1994 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 20:59:05 -0500 (EST) From: Gregory Brown To: Land Rover Messages to Digest Subject: Overdrives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: Well the net is starting to get quiet so let me through out a question. Has any one had experience with rebuilding a Fairey overdrive? I have a chance to possibly pick up a couple of boxes of what was at least one OD. Now if I price the parts individually at R$N (someone used this abr. appropriatly) the price can clear $1000(US) and BP sells the new units for $660(US). This doesn't make sense. Well what does go bad with the OD and what may cause them to whine?? As for the Series I offroad congrates and send some warmth this way. Mike if you would be so kind as to keep the cold weather in NY and out of CT it would make room for the warmth. seeya Greg Brown '71 Series IIA needs OD and Warn M11 hubs and light guards and....oh I'm sorry this isn't the Santa hotline....... From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Dec 12 22:15:04 1994 From: WB6AGE@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:15:32 -0500 To: Land-rover-owner@team.net Subject: Wheel stud replacement Status: RO X-Status: Regarding wheel studs, I had a chronic problem of stripping out the screw in studs on my 60 SII. After the shocking discovery that RN wanted $129 each for replacement hubs, I decided to be a little creative. After pulling all the screw in studs, I checked out the assortment of replacement wheel studs at NAPA. It turns out that NAPA part 641-3137 is a press in stud that replaces the original quite nicely. Installation requires that the existing hole be opened up aprox. 0.030 to 0.590 to accept the new press in stud. A matching wheel nut is part number 641-2072 Total cost per hub was, $10 for machining, $6 for studs $6 for wheel nuts. Bob Cosentino, WB6AGE@AOL.COM 1960 SII 88 Perkins conversion From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Dec 12 22:38:13 1994 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 20:37:15 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: robdav@sunshine.vab.paramax.com, Land-Rover-Owner@team.net Subject: Who needs a roll bar... Status: RO X-Status: There was a story in the news a year or so ago hereabouts. Seems a bunch of teenagers were tooling along doing teenager-type things in a SUV-type thing with the top cut off. Well, they managed to flip it, of course. They're all dead now. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Dec 12 22:38:24 1994 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 20:37:02 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: lro@stratus.com Subject: Waving, revisited Status: RO X-Status: Been thinking about this a bit... There's been a fair bit of discussion about waving to Range Rovers and Disco's, Disco's waving to RR's, RR's waving to LR's, etc. Then someone said "I wave to everyone". Well, I kinda have to agree with this. Land Cruisers, Jeeps, Blazers, etc. aren't the *enemy*, they're just another marque. For whatever reason, they suit their owners better. Nothing wrong with that. As far as I'm concernced, if it's a non-standard vehicle, I'll wave. They may not be a Land Rover Owner, but they are a like minded individual. I also wave to truckers, RV's, and motorcycle gangs. Why? Well, partially because I'm a nice guy (at least I think so; there are plenty who would disagree), but mostly because Land Rovers are identifiable. Old Scouts look like old Broncos, Old Jeeps look like old Land Cruisers, but Land Rovers look only like Land Rovers. Sooner or later (mostly sooner, with my jinx), I'm going to be sitting by the side of the road broken down. When an RV or a Trucker, or even a Hell's angel drives by, I want them to think kindly of Land Rovers, and maybe even offer assistance. And maybe it won't be *me* sitting by the side of the road, but some other LRO, and a trucker will come by and remember that other LRO who was nice and waved, and the trucker will stop and help. Or maybe it *will* be me on the side of the road, and the Hell's Angels, or the Land Cruiser Owner will remember the time *you* waved and smiled, and they'll stop to help a fellow individualist. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Dec 12 22:38:26 1994 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 20:37:13 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: jfhess@ucdavis.edu, lro@stratus.com Subject: Re: I'm home! Status: RO X-Status: Welcome back, and congratulations! There's nothing like traveling in a Land Rover! I hope you saw some great sights; it sounds like you had a fantastic time! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Dec 13 01:24:43 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 02:18:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Overdrives To: brow7767@mstr.hgc.edu, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"brow7767@mstr.hgc.edu" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO X-Status: Well, Greg.. got yourself a Fairey 3-D jigsaw puzzel, eh? > Well the net is starting to get quiet so let me through out a question. > Has any one had experience with rebuilding a Fairey overdrive? I have a > chance to possibly pick up a couple of boxes of what was at least one *And*, we have a nice c-c-c-cold winter ahead to figure out how lever a is inserted in widget b which fits on sprocket d which rides in carrier f. I picked up a used OD a few years ago... Ran it for a year or two and then the fine teeth stripped out of the input end of the mainshaft.. :( I managed to pick up the needed parts for next to nothing (used stuff at an ABP rally - they were clearing out thier "barn"). Tearing down and re-assembling wasn't any big deal - certainly a lot easier than a transmission. As far as building one from a box of parts... depends on how well you can visualize a 3-D assembly from a 2-D exploded drawing. If you really want to tackle it, I have the "Fitting Instructions and Parts List" for the OD which I can copy and mail to you.. As to what goes wrong.. could be lots of things.. bearings, stripped teeth, you name it. Hey.. if the box(s) of parts are cheap enough, go for it! One can never have enough worn out Rover stuff lying about. > Mike if you would be so kind as to keep the cold weather in NY and out of > CT it would make room for the warmth. No, no.. we have more than enough cold to go around... We import it from Canada, right Dixon?? Shoot, I just *love* listening to the suspension creak in the cold.. and the engine go ruhh, ruhh, ruhh, ruhh, sputter, ruhh... and the axels crack.. Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Dec 13 04:13:44 1994 X-Authentication-Warning: tornadic.sw.stratus.com: Host localhost.stratus.com didn't use HELO protocol To: lro@team.net Subject: new member note Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 05:14:09 -0500 From: William Caloccia Status: RO X-Status: ------- Forwarded Message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 19:36:09 -0500 Message-Id: <941212193607_4355523@aol.com> Subject: new owner of old truck I would like to be added to the Land Rover Owner's group. I purchased a 1973 Series III 88 last night. It didn't look any better this morning, but I'm looking forward to resurrecting a vehicle that hasn't run in nine or ten years. I've been reading all I can about landies for a month or two while searching for one of my own, but hope to learn more through this electronic medium. My name is Erik van Dyck, I live in the Atlanta, Georgia area. Merry Christmas ------- End of Forwarded Message From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Dec 13 08:03:46 1994 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 07:00:56 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV To: lro@team.net Subject: Waving... Status: RO X-Status: FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: Waving... "Uncle Roger" is right on! It wouldn't hurt to build a reputation of LR owners as courteous and friendly people anyway. Hopefully this won't be TOO much of a change in character for most of us. After all, we already are united as a group here on the net, for the purpose of helping and sharing information with eachother. Let's just expand our horizons. Dave (I wave to everyone) Brown - '94 Discovery - Phoenix Arizona USA #=====# Never doubt that a small group of individuals |___|__\___ can change the world... indeed, it's the only | _ | |_ | thing that ever has. "(_)""""(_)" -Margaret Mead From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Dec 13 08:22:32 1994 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 09:18:38 -0500 To: land-rover-owner@team.net From: Chrisste@cerf.net (Chris Stevens) Subject: Footwell/Mudshield Replacement Status: RO X-Status: I will be spending the weekend in the garage installing two new galvanized door posts, footwells and mudshields to my SIIA. (For some reason the vehicle will not pass Maryland state inspection when you can watch the front wheels turning from inside) Does anyone have any advice to pass on from past experience in doing this repair? Are there any problems I should expect along the way? Chris Stevens (410) 583-1722 (410) 583-1935 (FAX) Chrisste@cerf.net R 1 3 2 H "Land Rover's first, becuase +--|--| | | Land Rovers last." 2 4 4 L '69 S.IIa 88" From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Dec 13 08:31:02 1994 From: Russell Burns Subject: Re: GATT To: rparker@world.std.com (Randy Parker) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 6:27:11 PST Cc: morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU, lro@team.net In-Reply-To: ; from "Randy Parker" at Dec 12, 94 11:58 am Status: RO X-Status: I think the D-90 was excluded from the 25% import tax due to ythe 6019 lbs gvw. Russ 1> > > On Fri, 9 Dec 1994, Morgan Hannaford wrote: > > > When I read about the new GATT proposal being embraced by the > > Demos and GOP alike, there was only one thing I could think of: > > > > What does it mean for new Land Rover and spares prices here in > > the U.S.? In particular, this huge tariff on 2-door SUVs (e.g. 90s). > > FWIW, I asked the LRNA zone mgr about GATT & D90 pricing and he didn't > think it had any impact. I don't quite understand that -- I mean, > wasn't that the WHOLE point of GATT? Wonderful politicians.... > > Cheers, > -- RP > > From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Dec 13 09:52:28 1994 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 10:31:27 EST From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE) To: land-rover-owner@team.net Subject: Various Status: RO X-Status: Jory writes about windscreen glass and fuel pumps. Just about any glass shop that does automotive work can cut a piece for you. When a duffer of a neighbor ricocheted a 9 iron shot off a sappling and into my passenger side windscreen, the local glass shop cut a new piece of tinted, DoT-approved glass for $37 using the old piece as a pattern. The shop will likely give you a coil/strip of butyl sealing compound (forget the 3M crap in a tube). Get the thinnest you can (1/8" or so). This is about the only Rover job best accomplished in the sun rather than under a convenient shade tree. Run the sealing compound around the perimeter of the glass (both sides, not the edge), but leave the release paper on. Use wooden shims (AKA, "the fourth tool") under the bottom to center the glass - the compound's extremely sticky and you have *one shot* at correct alignment. Strip the paper off the front side and press into place. Now strip the inside paper and secure with the four retainer pieces and #2 SS philips screws. Do not try to tighten all at once. Let it warm in the sun and come back two or three times and tighten the screws a little more each time. Then trim the excess sealant with a razor. As to fuel pumps, buy a used one (Bruce at British Rovers has some) and rebuild it. (*Plastic* sediment bowls!?! Arggh. Is *nothing* sacred???) When I got married, Robert Davis gave me a set of *my* "crystal" pattern: a set of glass sediment bowls...they're just the thing for Drambuie and single malts. Jason LaBranch writes about fuel substitutes. In a pinch, a lot of stuff *might* work, just don't make a habit of it. When Mike McCaig was stuck on a Iowa farm on a frozen Sunday morning, he used four gallons of kerosene livened up with a gallon of Coleman fuel. (Probably approximates 50 octane PMex gas!) The Rover ran fine until he could get to an open station 60 miles away. I've heard of diesels running on banana oil and there is a movement afoot in the UK to produce "bio-diesel" from rapeseed oil (used in margarine). Bon appetit. A lot of action on the Camel Trophy Zippo lighter auction. But Ben Hui, send in another bid, as yours got scrambled somehow. It was delivered ...but as "undeliverable" and missing the body of the text. (How that is possible is beyond me.) For those who came in late, this is an engraved brass Zippo with Camel Trophy logo and the location of every Camel Trophy event on it. Proccedes go to the club treasury. Send your bid to the below address; bids close Friday 4PM EST. *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----* | | | Sandy Grice, Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com FAX: 804-622-7056 | | Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days) 804-423-4898 (Evenings) | | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA | *------------------------------------------------------* From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Dec 13 10:30:55 1994 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:20:23 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: Mixing Fuels To: Jason LaBranch Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: <9412130046.AA02662@yeola.sybgate.sybase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 12 Dec 1994, Jason LaBranch wrote: > Qestion: I have read somewhere that the Land Rover engine, I beleive > the 2.25 petrol engine, is capable of running with fuel mixtures such > as, petrol and diesel, or petrol and karosene. Is this true? What are > the advantages and disadvantages of this? I would imagine you have > to tune the engine to do this. What kind of tunning is required? What > are good mixtures to use? The answer is yes, but... Only the much older engines could do this to any extent. The distrubutor had a wee lever/gear on it that allowed you to play about. Never could handle straight diesel though, but could handle some awful muck. BTW, the IIA 2.25l petrol is good down to 63 octane. Rgds, From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Dec 13 10:37:56 1994 From: "Rostykus, John" To: LRO List Subject: Re: Overdrives Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 08:32:00 PST Encoding: 11 TEXT Status: RO X-Status: Mike writes: >I picked up a used OD a few years ago... Ran it for a year or two and then >the fine teeth stripped out of the input end of the mainshaft.. :( A friend of mine had the same experience, but with a 1 year old *new* OD. It would have cost him ~$250 for a new mainshaft, at the time. He since opted for 3.54 diffs. Has anyone else had this problem with the Fairey OD? Rosty john@data-io.com From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Dec 13 10:40:02 1994 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:36:28 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: Overdrives To: LANDROVER@delphi.com Cc: brow7767@mstr.hgc.edu, lro@team.net In-Reply-To: <01HKKU1RXVVU93EWWZ@delphi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: On Tue, 13 Dec 1994 LANDROVER@delphi.com wrote: > No, no.. we have more than enough cold to go around... We import it from > Canada, right Dixon?? Shoot, I just *love* listening to the suspension creak > in the cold.. and the engine go ruhh, ruhh, ruhh, ruhh, sputter, ruhh... and > the axels crack.. We are very generous in Canada. We think it is only fair to send you down some nice cool weather in exchange for that humid muck, 80+ degree days you inflict on us in the summer... :-) Besides, we *know* your really love -20 days and lots of snow. Right? :-) Rgds, From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Dec 13 10:47:16 1994 From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: Various To: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 16:44:25 GMT Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <013.02250957.CXKS46A@prodigy.com>; from "MR ALEXANDER P GRICE" at Dec 13, 94 10:31 am Status: RO X-Status: Sandy, Although bio diesel isnt on sale here at present,despite pressure, (The Westminster Gang is trying,I suspect to work an angle to favour themselves,and to further rip off us "wallets on wheels),it is,I beleive,widely available on "Le Continong". I posted this tit bit yesterday but I think it got bumped. Land Rover have secured a 16million pound order for Defenders from the Italian Government,to supply gov utilities.Forestry was mentioned on the local TV item.Delivery to begin next March.Any further info Ludo? Cheers Mike Rooth From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Dec 13 12:15:35 1994 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 10:08:27 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: robdav@sunshine.vab.paramax.com (Robert Davis) From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool) Subject: RE: Scotty Conversions Cc: lro@team.net, jfhess@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (John Hess) Status: RO X-Status: Robert, you wrote (in part): >I'm doing an engine conversion and have talked to Scotty, thanks TerriAnn. >He is out of adapters, but will have a new batch in a few months. Does >anyone have or know of an extra. Steve Johnson had a repaired one for >sale at the ROAV rally, but I have not been able to reach him. His had >been broken at one time. Anyway please help. I talked to a woman named Carla at the Hayward meet in July who had a Scotty conversion with four-cylinder Chevy engine installed in a late-model 88 and needed to convert it back to stock because it was not smog legal. So she was interested in selling the conversion and Chevy engine or trading for stock set-up. I don't know if she still has it; I have not talked to her since the meet. I did not see the 88; the vehicle she had at the meet was an older 109 2-door. While I am at it, fellow netters and especially John Hess, She also had a set of military bolt-together wheels she was wanting to sell. If she mentioned prices for any of these items, I did not make a note of them. If interested, call: Carla Satra or Patricia Gibbons at 408-923-3618. Hope this helps. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ] [ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ] From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Dec 13 12:17:33 1994 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 10:09:11 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: jory@mit.edu (jory bell) From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool) Subject: RE: Ibex and other questions Cc: lro@team.net Status: RO X-Status: Jory, you wrote, in part: >4. Gonna get my cracked windshield fixed (it's actually covered by my >insurance with $0 deductible!). Anyone had their front glass replaced by a >normal car glass place? Are they able to deal with a series rover? Guess >I'll find out.. I had a piece of glass cut at a glass shop and put it in myself. Easy to do. The glass shop should be able to supply suitable seal strip material too, as that needs to be renewed. I got tinted glass which was a big improvement. If I were doing it now, I would take the center divider out of my windscreen frame and have a single piece of glass cut to fit. This is done in England a lot. But I would add a stiffener on the inside in place of the center divider. Would then look pretty stock, be essentially as strong as the divided screen but allow the three-wiper conversion. For the later IIAs and IIIs, that have the remote motor and cable drive for the wipers, you can reverse the position of the right-hand wiper drive (if above the cable move below or vice versa) to make both wipers go the same direction, then add a third wiper in the middle so you get a much larger wiped area. For someone tall in a Series Land-Rover, this can make it much better for winter driving. >5. I removed the rear seats. They were really space-inefficient. O.K. but make sure you hang on to them. If you ever sell, make sure the seats go with the Rover. Or sell them to another Rover owner whose seats have gone missing. It happens a lot. Several of the Land-Rovers I have bought have lost all their back seats. >7. With respect to IBEX acquisition. Anyone have any idea what the "new" >IBEX (or whatever it's gonne be called) will be like? Foers said he's send >info when it was available, but I am over-eager... > >Also, Granville mentioned building an IBEX on a RR base (and John Foers >supported this general tactic in his letter to me). Granville: I was >wondering if you were using the wrecked RR as a starting point purely for >title purposes, or because of the number of common parts involved? In some >ways, it seems more reasonable (easier?) to get/start-with a hosed series >vehicle, which looks more generally like the IBEX, than with the more >modern RR whose end appearence will be at totally changed (thinking in >terms of getting inpected, and of the relative ease of finding a dead >series vehicle). Most of the parts will be replaced in either case. I >realize you still need to use a lot of the RR/Defender components, but is >that the main issue? Moreover, what are the rules/laws governing kit cars? >Anyone know these and how they would apply to this situation? Finally, >where is the best place to search for totalled RRs? > >It sounds like there are at least 3 people in NoCal USA interested in the >IBEX... I am in favor of sourcing/fabrication collaboration. Anyone else >game? I'm game to discuss any strategies that we could put together for mutual benefit. Of late I have been vacillating. I really want an Ibex (or its successor) but, inasmuch as it would be somewhat more attainable, also considering doing a coil conversion with Rover V-8 in one of my existing Rovers (the East African Preditory Wildlife Survey Series II 88). So I need encouragement to hold out for the more expensive four by four by Foers route which I really want. It would be so much easier if I weren't so poor... :^{ The background for my thinking that I would use a wrecked Range Rover as the base is as follows: The ideal donor vehicle is the Defender 90 or 110, as there are certain parts which have to come from one such, namely, the fascia (dashboard), pedal box, and heater. The running gear and suspension can come from either a Defender or Range Rover (or for that matter, I suppose, a Discovery). My thinking is that if I got a U.S.-spec '90-'93 Range Rover roll-over, I could get all the necessary running gear, suspension, leather seats, air-conditioning, power steering, auto box (my preference for my bad-ass 4x4 as it gives better ultimate traction), ABS (definitely needed with an automatic), self-leveling, etc. I would want to eventually add Rancho suspension upgrades (11" front and 15" rear wheel-travel) and driver-lockable diffs, but the stock stuff would do for a start. I figure that I would register the Range Rover, get it smogged, etc., then canibalize it to build my Ibex. Where I live (Mendocino County) there is no annual vehicle inspection but, of course, that could change and is, indeed, in danger of changing in the near future, as we are borderline for being a non- attainment area air-quality-wise. I hadn't really thought about what happens if it has to be inspected after construction. Reckon we ought to, huh. I don't know the rules for kit-cars but had assumed that they just have to meet the requirements for the as-registered donor vehicle. We do need to know what California says about this... Maybe you are right to suggest an old series vehicle for title, the older the better. I have title from a 1958 Series II 88 which would serve nicely. But that's essentially the only "part" from a series Rover which would be usable. It would, perhaps be cheaper, having the title, to get a wrecked V-8 Defender 90 from England and use everything from it. Then, if I want certain RR components, they area always available from AAA Small Car World (or some such name), an auto wrecker in Texas. As to where to get totalled Range Rovers? I don't know, I hadn't figured that one out, yet. I have only ever seen two for sale, over the years. I don't reckon they are easy to come by and there are certain folks, such as that wrecker just mentioned, Roverworks, etc., already plugged into how to glom them. I figured I would have to call all the insurance adjusters and ask to get in line for bidding on them as they come up. Could take a long time to find one and I can't guess what sort of bid it would take to get one. So I am still open to suggestions, encouragement, and offers of financial support (buy one of my Land-Rovers?).... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ] [ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ] From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Dec 13 12:18:13 1994 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 13:07:57 -0500 (EST) From: Jon Humphrey To: lro@stratus.com Subject: FYI anyone Status: RO X-Status: I'm not even sure what this is, but if anyone is interested here goes. >From: simonc@bri.hp.com (Simon Chandler) >Subject: 1951 Rover 75 >Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 09:47:33 GMT > >Hello, > >My wife's grandfather just passed away. His family now need to clear >his farm of the many treasured possessions he hoarded. One of them is a >1951 Rover 75 that's been sitting in his barn covered by a tarpaulin >for years (about 30 I think). > >I am told that its bodywork is reasonable, because it is aluminum, >but it may need new wings. I also gather that the engine has been >turned over sometime in the last year. Goodness knows when it last >moved though. > >As you probably know, its seats are leather and the dash is walnut. >Looks pretty neat. > >First I'd like to know how much "Rover", as they call him, could be >worth. > >Secondly, the monetary value of "Rover" is actually less important to >my wife's family than knowing he'll go to a good home. Is there anyone >out there who would be interested in either restoring him, or using >his good parts to help out their own Rover 75 ? > >You should note that "Rover" is currently living in a barn in Suffolk, >England. > >I don't usually read this group, so if you reply please do so by >e-mail. > > >I look forward to hearing from you, > >Simon > >-----=----==---=-=--====-=---===--=--=-==-===-==--==-=-=-======--=-==--= > > Dr Simon Chandler > Hewlett-Packard Ltd Tel: 0272 228109 > Computer Peripherals Bristol Fax: 0272 236091 > Filton Road, Stoke Gifford > Bristol, BS12 6QZ email: simonc@bri.hp.com > United Kingdom > >---==----=-=---====--=---=-==--===-=-=--=====-=----===---=--=--==-==-=-= From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Dec 13 12:31:56 1994 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 12:25:52 -0600 From: Marcus Tooze To: lro@team.net Subject: new member questions Status: RO X-Status: Can't remember whether I introduced myself before or not. Anyhow, I'm Marcus Tooze, a brit living in IL, USA. I have a lot of experience with the MG marques (mostly A and B series engine) and the TR series (mainly Spits, 4s and any 6 cyl TR). I'm new to the Landrover, and mine is a '67 109 Safari....(in addition to my '72 TR6). On frst examination it seemed to be a fairly simple beast. Not too much electrical wise, a stump pulling drivetrain (is the 4 wheeler set up problematic eg, more transmission bits to worry about?) and room to sit under it while working...not like my friends stupid TVR 2500! Anyway, i have some questions... It has been sandblasted inside and out and it now rust/crud free. Here are the questions: 1) I have new floor pans waiting to be installed. The old ones were alreasy out when I got it. How are they fixed in? weld or pop rivet? I think they are replacemnet steel....but if they are ally, I guess I won't be welding them! 2) What prep does the aluminum need for paint? What type of primer should be used? 3) I will be doing a 'special' paint job. African Safari Zebra stripe. Just so I can pretend i got back from a 6 month expedition to the plains of the Serengeti. Obviously, it will be a variation of black and white stripes on the outside of the truck, but what about the inside?? All white?? Has anybody been in a zebra landrover in Africa before?? I need a photo!!! 3) Two of my door frames have 2-3 inch sections tinwormed out. I don't want to patch....are the frames available? Does anybody have two rear doors handy? 4) I have A LOT of brand new spares w/ it. Stuff I probably won't use. For example, door skins, light cages, rear frame cross member (the one on the car right now is fine, god knows why he bought it!!), just a whole bunch of stuff, are people on this list interested in trading parts? 5) There is a weber instead of the original carb/s. The original carb/s are/is in one of the parts boxes, but I haven't looked yet. What did the 1967 4 cyl. come with? SUs? If so, I think I may swap back...I don't trust webers! 6) Is the overdrive installation easy to a non-od drivetrain. Right now cruising at 55 is noisy. Thanks for all your help... Marcus From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Dec 13 13:07:53 1994 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 11:00:36 PST From: labranch@sybase.com (Jason LaBranch) To: lro@team.net Subject: More on Mixing Fuels Content-Length: 1309 Status: RO X-Status: After asking the question on mixing fuels I remembered a meeting with an unusual man. When I lived in Upstate New York (specifically South Fallsburg) I was in the corner store where I would frequent. There was a short bald old man with a nice beer belly making lots of noise. My friend started poking me a telling me that that was the man he saw on a half hour show on A&E the other night. It turns out the guy was a mechanical engineer in the Army during World War II. The Army was experimenting with different fuels to run the tanks and he was one of the members of the team. After the war the Army dropped the whole idea but this guy (I foget his name) continued to this day to develop alternative fuel modifications to engines in his back yard. He has been trying to sell his ideas to auto makers but none have bit. We talked to the guy a bit and he took us out to see his new Ford Taurus which he had modified to run on vegitable oil. The modifications seemed pretty simple -- there were a few canisters and tubes attached to the carb. When he gets low on fuel he heads over to the local McDonalds and they give him their old french fries oil. He filters out the chunks of french fries and drives off. I wish I remebered the name of this guy but I don't so I can't tell you. See Ya' Jason From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Dec 13 14:34:55 1994 From: Kelly Minnick Subject: Rover To: lro@team.net Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 12:29:03 PST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: RO X-Status: '73 sIII 88" safari Hello fellow LR lovers. I've been listening for quite some time, and decided to take the plunge and send in some mail. I have previously owned an '87 RR and a ex-logging camp '64 88" that looked like it was used to plow the road with it's body! (sack of potatoes). Every LR I've owned except the RR, I towed home and had to get running. In fact, the '73 I have now, the people stored for 12 years with just water in the cooling system... When I finally fixed the timing chain adjuster, it started weeping water into the oil. OK easy. Just a head gasket, right? Nope. As luck would have it, the head was cracked. After ordering a new head from Turner Eng. ($450 shipped to my door Vs $650-$800 for a rebuilt) I checked out the bores. With 39,000 miles, they were worn out. NEVER use a rochester carb off of a 250-6 chevy. The added fuel washes the oil off the rings and cylinders.. ie. lots of wear. I now have a Webber and I have also used the Ford carb from a 1962 Commet with a 144 ci 4 cylinder. Mounting is identical to the Zenith... I have a couple of questions for you experts out there: 1. I want to put the tropical windows into my safari top. Does anyone have a patern that needs cut into my top? 2. I would also like to add the vents, but I think I would have to buy the other roof skin so they could open. Is this correct? 3. Series III took away all the metal from the dash to save me... My defroster hose on the passenger side fits into a rubber boot (sleeve) that attaches to the metal plate in the dash/heater box. Is there a part # for this? This vehicle was stored with the top off and the goats ate all the rubber parts they could! 4. Where is the best place to mount my CB antenna? I was going to put it at the rear on the backside of the top... I hate cutting the aluminum, and don't know it the aluminum with withstand the trees hitting my antenna... 5. I've heard rummours of a 'kit' that allows the use of a LT77 5spd box with my transfer case. If this is true, it would be much better than an overdrive since there would be less back-lash... 6. Living out here in California, the EPA people seem to want me to have all the original smog equipment. Since the Zenith (IVE - E for emissions) was a real dog, most everyone threw them out as soon as they got home and bolted on these silly Rochester's. Where can I get an IVE Zenith? (with the dash pot and solenoid fuel cut-off). Mine even had an EGR valve which I thought was only on the Austrailian market! Well, enough for now. Kelly Minnick Ridgecrest, California (Mojave Desert) From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Dec 13 14:51:57 1994 From: Kelly Minnick Subject: LR To: lro@team.net Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 12:47:32 PST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: RO X-Status: Yes, it's me again. Just wanted to respond to a few messages: 1. Roll bars (even on the US 90) don't appreciable add to the stiffness of the frame. It can't. It is a bolted assembly that is mounted to the top of the frame on a perch. If you take this 'H' ladder (your frame) and twist it in your mind from side to side, the roll bar would have to completely attach around to the underside of the frame to be loaded in tension. Roll bars are made to be loaded in compression - i.e. that's why the perch is on the top of the frame member. I do agree that a roll bar is definately the safest with a hard top to keep out the rocks as you are tumbling. (roll bars can't keep the rocks or bushes from jabbing the cars' contents) My jeep and Land Cruiser buddies make fun of my poor man's jeep that can't afford a roll bar...Some- one should make an aftermarket kit (hint hint). 2. Why would the windshield height be any different on the 90 vs the sIII? If the doors are the same, wouldn't the shields have to be at the same height? Maybe I haven't spent enough time at the dealers. By the way, where do you guys get the money for these US spec 90's? At $33K, I say ouch! 3. LR sells the studs for the sIII wheel hubs. I have put these in my sIIA and would recommend it to all sIIA owners. No real reason to use the NAPA part. It might not be as strong?! 4. Fuel pumps are available. The newer ones have crimped in one-way valves. They can be modified so that they are replacable like the older units. 5. I found a source for METAL fan blades for all you sIII owners with the plastic sun/rotted blades... 6. I have and Excel database for a buch of sIIa/sIII LR part #'s. If you want it, ask... Kelly Minnick Ridgecrest, CA From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Dec 13 16:57:03 1994 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 14:42:57 -0800 To: lro@team.net From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell) Subject: Re: new member questions Status: RO X-Status: WTR paint: Someone else asked about painting the rover, and I have all the info from my paint job somewhere (receipts, note, etc). I tries to write the oher rquester, but their email repeatedly bounced. Anyway, I recently moved and my records are currently inaccessible. When they are unearthed, I'll post the details (but somone else probably knows as much as I do anyway...) >1) I have new floor pans waiting to be installed. The old ones were alreasy >out when I got it. How are they fixed in? weld or pop rivet? I think they >are replacemnet steel....but if they are ally, I guess I won't be welding them! they bolt in (a combination of bapritve nut tingies and regular nuts n' bolts. You seal it (well, som chose not to seal, but, if you do...) with ether some caulk-like string (name?) or with 3/4" wide, 1/4" thick adhesive backed closed cell foam (where are you located?). The latter is what LR uses in defenders, and it's worked great for me (I got it at a rubber supply store) >4) I have A LOT of brand new spares w/ it. Stuff I probably won't use. >For example, door skins, light cages, rear frame cross member (the one >on the car right now is fine, god knows why he bought it!!), just a whole >bunch of stuff, are people on this list interested in trading parts? I am intereted in the light cages... don't have that many parts to exchange (maybe I could BUY them.. gasp!) >6) Is the overdrive installation easy to a non-od drivetrain. Right now >cruising at 55 is noisy. The OD install is easy... jory bell jory@mit.edu (but I'm in SF!) From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Dec 13 18:57:40 1994 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 16:54:43 +0800 From: William.Grouell@Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell) To: umplace@CC.UManitoba.CA Subject: Re: forwarded message Cc: lro@team.net X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 546 Status: RO X-Status: > > I have a question about these wheel nuts. I have 8 Land Rovers with both > the double beveled nuts and the single beveled nuts and in almost all of > them the thread did not come through the top of the nut. In fact I would > say the studs on all of them are too short for the nuts Land Rover > supplies. Has anyone ever checked to see why this is so? Dave VE4PN > The nuts protect the thread on the end of the stud. If the stud stuck out it could easily get buggered on a rock, then you'd have a time getting the nut off. R, bg From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Dec 13 22:11:21 1994 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 23:10:39 -0500 From: Andrew Steele Subject: RR Fuel Capacity To: lro@stratus.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO X-Status: John Brabyn wrote a day or two ago that filling his RR petrol from empty took 18.8 gallons. I also had the privilege to run a little low, also after dinner, but I made it out of the parking lot and into the middle of a 4 lane road controlled intersection. Didn't realize an 87 automatic could be pushed by one person w/ leather bottomed loafers. To conclude the recollection, my log indicates that refill to full took only 18.4 gallons. Additionally, I had the insult of the pump nozzle not automatically shutting off while I held it. Any connection. Subsequent complaints to the station attendant and then owner assured me that the pump was functioning normally for other customers. Wait --- I just figured it out, I was filling with Imperial gallons while LR must be measuring the tank in US gallons. Per my almanac 1 gallon British Imperial = 1.201 U.S. Gallons. Amazing what you can think of after a Bass. Andrew & lum Dayton, OH 87 RR **** still looking for leads on an "inexpensive" 109 diesel **** From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Dec 13 22:13:01 1994 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 20:14:11 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Rickard To: lro@team.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: HELP From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Dec 13 22:25:05 1994 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 20:20:06 PST From: jpappa01@InterServ.Com (Jim Pappas) To: lro@team.net Subject: roverhead rantings Status: RO X-Status: the 1995 rangey 4.0 s.e. will be launched at nada dealers on 1/27/95. check local dealers for "party" schedules. Limited supply (!) for initial launch. Price $55-56K U.S. Car is totally redesigned and the good news is that the rangey "classic" 100-incher original bodystyle coming in at $45K - still lotsa bucks, but three thou less than same car two years ago! Been driving nada-def90 dealer hardtop for about a week now. as expected, a great improvement for winter driving in cold climes. Yes Martha, you *can* hear the radio at speed - and stay warm on the lower blower speed. not 2 beat a dead pony, but having the full cage installed gives peace of mind and really makes for a rattle-free landy. I would hate to roll one over with just the grp top alone... The new top seals well and it is a tribute to the design team to provide same whilst fitting over the cage still fits basically flush to tub sides and maintains classic series profile w/alpine lights and rear quarter lights. lift up tail gate hinges do have a somewhat "wrangleresque" look! Gas-assist struts and smooth operation though. its a nice piece but certainly a metal top it ain't. So if you are a 90 owner, keep the cage! Defender future? Nothing certain, but look for possible additional variations of 90 before DOT forces it to go away. One things for sure - value will be strong and it will take its place amongst the series cars as a cult classic. Used def 110's are fetching over original list price! one or two years left of opportunity to scoff def90. I agree w/Bill. lower $ = >volume. I of all wish that bloody 25% was gone. Don't forget, though - it is possible to price a jeep wrangler laredo at over twenty grand! this puts the 90 price even w/tariff in perhaps a more justifiable light - no? I think that the wrangler is the best sales tool that the defender 90 has! the jeep is a really not-so-wonderful piece. enjoy your land rovers -whatever model it is! revel in the exclusivity and cachet - it is what it is and that's why (whether you admit it or not) you love `em! there is a funk quotient that defies objectivity. and at no charge! see ya! Jimbo roverheadus infectidadus extremis jpappa01@interserv.com From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Dec 13 23:25:52 1994 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 00:25:43 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: roverhead rantings To: Jim Pappas Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: <9412140420.AA08640@ InterServ.Com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: On Tue, 13 Dec 1994, Jim Pappas wrote: > a dead pony, but having the full cage installed gives peace of mind and really > makes for a rattle-free landy. I would hate to roll one over with just the grp > top alone... Hard top of the Series works quite well too... :-) Granted the only two occassions where an 88 nearly rolled (both are on the list, but no names of course ) were when they were nearly stationary beside a paved road (damn those soft shoulders...:-)) > Gas-assist struts and smooth operation though. its a nice piece but certainly > a metal top it ain't. So if you are a 90 owner, keep the cage! No comment... > Defender future? Nothing certain, but look for possible additional variations > of 90 before DOT forces it to go away. One things for sure Bet you they are gone for one reason. The 300 TDi will be the only engine offered by LR. If its approved, then it will be here, if not... DOT isn't going to blow away the Defender in the USA, EPA will & only because LR isn't going to have the V8 about (unless by special order, but try and get one over in the USA) > value will be strong and it will take its place amongst the series cars > as a cult classic. The N.A. jury is still out on this one (not wanting to feed any flame wars) > Used def 110's are fetching over original list price! one or two years > left of opportunity to scoff def90. Make you a deal. I can get a few 110's at under list. I'll sell them to you at the original list, you sell at above list and we can both make quite a few bucks. > Don't forget, though - it is possible to price a jeep wrangler laredo at > over twenty grand! > the exclusivity and cachet - it is what it is and that's why (whether you > admit it or not) you love `em! there is a funk quotient that defies > objectivity. and at no charge! At big charge. LR should have brought over a stripper. They could have sold a lot more of them at a lot less. Remember who runs LR. Look at the name heritage. Before LR we had Rover. Before Rover it was Austin/Rover. Befor that Jaguar/Austin/Triumph. Before that British Leyland... And so on... This is the bunch that brought the Stirling to the USA, had no concept of management practices in the UK, destroyed Triumph, MG el al as marques... LR as a model has kept the company afloat despite the clueless wonders running the place (granted the Mini makes money, but they nearly killed that, but couldn't because they couldn't even afford to kill it at the time!). Read up on Edwards, Lord, and the rest that actually ran the show. The 90 a classic? Maybe, but why is the latest RN have an article on detering rust on the 90? Don't want to start anything here, but... Is LR that great? Well, lets discuss the history of the corporation, those that run it. The vehicle is very good, but what is behind it... OVLR asked LR a *YEAR* ago for permssion to use LR in our name. You would think that they could have come up with an answer, yes or no, in a *YEAR*. LR is about to drop support for a ton of Series parts. LR/BL left the Series owners in the dark in '74 when they pulled out. It took clubs like ROAV, OVLR, ALROC, etc. to group together and get parts, organise, and keep their LRs on the road. What is parts supply going to be like when the 90 hits the dust? Will BSROA, ROAV, OVLR have to start organising parts for the 90 owners too? I ramble. Too much Guinness with Dale... :-) > Jimbo > roverheadus infectidadus extremis Rgds, Dixon logicalus roverheadus historicalus infectiadus rationalus extremis From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 00:53:43 1994 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 94 23:47:31 MST From: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL ) To: lro@stratus.com Subject: U-Joints Status: RO X-Status: A Anybody out there come up with a non-Rover replacement for the u-joints? Need some sonn. But of course was wondering if they could be had kinda local. Roy - Rovers in the Rockies From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 04:30:31 1994 X-Authentication-Warning: tornadic.sw.stratus.com: Host localhost.stratus.com didn't use HELO protocol To: lro@team.net Subject: Over hauling: fuel pumps, Over Drives Date: Wed, 14 Dec 94 05:27:54 -0500 From: William Caloccia Status: RO X-Status: ------- Forwarded Message Date: 13 Dec 94 22:03:10 EST From: "WILLIAM L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <941214030309_75473.3572_FHQ145-1@CompuServe.COM> I followed your instructions and added the commands to the modem string and lo and behold IT WORKED, is this the start of something big Hang on whilst I retrieve my machine from the duckpond in which I threw it last night in disgust A couple of comments from todays list ( yesterdays for you !!) Fuel pumps, buy an overhaul kit, the bits in the pump part are the same as the ones with the glass bowl. Over drive overhaul, I have done several, it is uneconomical to attempt to replace the gears, the prices in the UK for these parts is more than the cost of a complete new one, if the problem is backlash and noise this can be reduced by fitting new bearings, do not order the bearings from LR, this will cost you an arm and two legs, go to an industrial bearing supplier and obtain a copy of a bearing catalogue from a company called INA BEARINGS, measure the sizes of the bearings you take from the overdrive, NB the bearings are all METRIC sizes, all the needle roller bearings and wear rings can be selected from this catologue, the two ball bearings can also be obtained from an industrial bearing manufacturer, the bearings will have a number on the inner race, something in the series 6200 or 6300, these numbers will be recognised by a brg dealer. Better still have you a friend who works for an engineering company who has an account at one of these places, then you may get some trade discount. If you have problems in obtaining a catologue give me a call before the 22 nd Dec and I will bring one back from the UK after Christmas. When I priced the bearings from LR Parts last year the price was in excess of $150 and I have a UK trade account. Also buy the oil seals from the same source, quote outside dia, inside dia and width. (metric!! ) RGDS Bill ------- End of Forwarded Message From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 04:57:48 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 05:55:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fern is dead... To: lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO X-Status: So, should I do the right thing and put a bullet through the block?? Tuesday morning... weather reports predicted below zero (F) overnight so I plugged in Fern's block heater Monday night. No problem starting it up.. pump the gas a few times and it fires right up, just like it always does. Let it warm up a few minutes and off to work.. I have a nice *large* hill to go over every day... So this morning, as usual I was coming down the hill in third, letting the engine do the braking when all of a sudden, there this crack-crunch-bang and the engine almost stalls! Throw in the clutch and I can't get the tranny out of gear. Dam! The transmission is locked up. Ok.. transfer box in neutral.. sloowwlly let out the clutch.. and I was rewarded with this crunchy-grindy sound from what used to be the transmission. I was *not* amused... So.. I walked the rest of the way to work.. only a couple of miles.. just about froze my butt off (which I would have done in the Rover anyway). Got a friend to tow Fern home after work... Well friends, this is the situation. Fern is a prime example of a well-worn (worn-out?) Land Rover. Origionally purchased in Maine, it was used as a plow truck. It went from Maine to Massachusettes to New York, losing it's front bumper and gaining a Kenig winch at some point. The person I bought it from used it to hunt with. He did the fern camo paint job but sorely neglected the mechanicals. When I purchased it in 1988 there was no plow, no brakes, a broken winch, worn out hub seals, worn out swivel balls, half the lights didn't work, the frame was *bad*, it would only run on full choke and the engine sounded like the rods would come out through the bottom of the oil pan at any moment. I fell in love with it, paid way too much and drove it home. Six years later and the frame is worse - to the point that any sane person would refuse to get near it (explains why I still drive it). The engine still sounds as bad. The transmission, which never stayed in reverse (too many years plowing snow) no longer stays in second, either. I traded the Koenig to Steve Denis - who fixed it and proved it is probably *the* winch to have if you need to do some serious winching - and replaced it with an 8000 lb Ramsey. I figured that I would keep Fern limping along this winter so I wouldn't have to worry about the deep January and February snows and work towards rebuilding something else for next year. So... I have a '71 IIa with a good frame but that truck needs extensive work. I have a second '71 IIa which is currently torn down to the frame, engine and running gear. The engine is supposedly good and is going into the '65 IIa station wagon. The '65 also needs a complete brake overhaul as well as some frame work. At this point I could put a IIa transmission in Fern -or- get the '65 running. Either choice means long hours laying in the snow under the truck. I'm leaning toward doing the '65, since I'm going to do it anyway and just giving Fern a decent burial. Decisions, decisions... Anyone need some (well) used SerIII bits?? Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) R.I.P. 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 04:57:59 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 05:55:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: More on Mixing Fuels To: labranch@sybase.com, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"labranch@sybase.com" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO X-Status: I just posted a reply and this pops up from Jason!! > After asking the question on mixing fuels I remembered a meeting > with an unusual man. > ---snip--- > We talked to the guy a bit and he took us out to see his new Ford > Taurus which he had modified to run on vegitable oil. The modifications > seemed pretty simple -- there were a few canisters and tubes attached > to the carb. When he gets low on fuel he heads over to the local > McDonalds and they give him their old french fries oil. He filters > out the chunks of french fries and drives off. Well.. there you go.. Probably not the same guy... the guy I heard on the radio was mixing the fry oil with diesel.. but the same sort of idea... Small world! Cheers Mike From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 04:58:10 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 05:55:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Various To: CXKS46A@prodigy.com, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"CXKS46A@prodigy.com" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO X-Status: Sandy comments on assorted topics... > Jory writes about windscreen glass and fuel pumps. Just about any glass ---snip--- > This is about the only Rover job best accomplished in the sun rather than I guess that means I would have to send my windscreen to *you* as we hardly ever see the sun... Even if we did, the temperature probably has to be somewhere above absolute zero, eh? :) > Jason LaBranch writes about fuel substitutes. In a pinch, a lot of stuff > miles away. I've heard of diesels running on banana oil and there is a > movement afoot in the UK to produce "bio-diesel" from rapeseed oil (used > in margarine). Bon appetit. There is some "alternate fuels" group here in the States that is running tests on all types of fuel. They have some traveling road show going around the country... (Heard this all on Public Radio a while back.) There *is* some bio-diesel interest here too.. one guy is using used cooking grease from fast-food restaurants (McD's, etc).. I guess he strains out the chunks and mixes whats left with diesel fuel.. He says it runs good... wonder how it smells?? Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 04:59:09 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 05:54:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: new member note To: caloccia@sw.stratus.com, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"caloccia@sw.stratus.com" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO X-Status: How *do* these things happen... > Subject: new owner of old truck > > I would like to be added to the Land Rover Owner's group. I purchased a > 1973 > Series III 88 last night. It didn't look any better this morning, but I'm Chances are, five or ten years down the road it *still* won't look any better... damm ugly, these Land Rovers... *but* if you still have it, you'll never get rid of it.. You may even have a few more.. > medium. My name is Erik van Dyck, I live in the Atlanta, Georgia area. > Merry Christmas Well Erik.. Merry Christmas to y'all too and best of luck with the Rover! Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) 7 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol #:-}> 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 05:49:47 1994 From: "Mr T.stevenson" Subject: Zebra rover To: @nsfnet-relay.ac.uk:tooze@vinny.cecer.army.mil Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:36:34 +0000 (GMT) Cc: @nsfnet-relay.ac.uk:land-rover-owner@team.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1454 Status: RO X-Status: Marcus Congratulations on your purchase. It was the striped Daktari Land Rover that started my interest in them when I was knee high to a 7.50x16. 1) If by 'floorpan' you mean the two flat bits between the seat box and the front bulkhead, then these should be thick aluminium and are fixed in with a combination of metal spring-clips and large screws, and ordinary nuts & bolts. 2) I think you can still get repair sections for the door frames; I got some a couple of years ago from K-Motors in Preston, so I assume that they are fairly easy to come by in the UK at least. All you do is drill out the rivets holding the skin onto the frame, ease back the crimped flange round the edge, remove the skin, and then chop out the rusty bits and weld in the new ones. Re-assembly is the reversal of this procedure (famous last words!) 3) I never bothered with Weber carbs; I heard they rob the top end power to achieve their economy. I never had any trouble from the Zenith on my old SIII. 4) The overdrive is easy to fit as long as you have all the bits. The hardest part is drilling the hole for the gearlever in the right position. 5) I did paint my first LWB with zebra stripes; I left it like this for a couple of months before I painted it green again. I just used Dulux gloss which seemed to work OK. Cheers! -- Tom Stevenson: gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk University Marine Biological Station, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland Tel:(0475) 530581 Fax:(0475) 530601 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 07:20:54 1994 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 08:09:35 -0500 (EST) From: Steven M Denis Subject: Re: Loads of 2.25 diesel stuff!! To: Craig Murray Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: <9412120207.AA15312@emu.ocs.cpsg.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 614 Status: RO X-Status: Ummm I forgot to tell you that to move the pump when running requires *FORCE*....the injector lines are very stiff and you can't be loosening them up while it's running w/o getting an eye full of diesel... sounds like cam timing ...It may be nessary to change the cam....Godawfull job *that* is! steve..... "HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..." "NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon Steven M. Denis " "-1957 107 Station Wagon PO Box 61 " "-1964 109 Pickup Erieville,New York USA " "_1967 109 NADA SW 13061 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 07:47:25 1994 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 07:45:18 -0600 From: Marcus Tooze To: lro@team.net Subject: thanks Status: RO X-Status: Hey all, Thanks for all the useful info... BTW I will be in the UK from the 29th Jan to 11th Dec. Anybody got some good meets to visit, or maybe a good used parts yard etc etc I should take a trip too.... Marcus From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 08:07:45 1994 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:04:02 -0500 (EST) From: Steven M Denis Subject: Re: Engine Conversion: adapter & tech info To: Robert Davis Cc: Land-Rover-Owner@team.net In-Reply-To: <9412122002.AA18572@sunshine.vab.paramax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 693 Status: RO X-Status: Robert, check under the hood (bonnet) of a Subject: Re: Sump plug stuck To: Richard Lucking Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: <6492113524@ist2.co.umist.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1178 Status: RO X-Status: Two ways to attack this one... 1. The nice way....change the sump...if you hurry,you might find one of the eleventy-million used sumps scattered about and install it and its good plug on your engine....(when you go to take the old sump of either drill a hole to drain the oil out or be *very* carefull when you lower the thing down..Safety Tip...don't wear you sunday best...) 2. The "I'm evil and always get my way and no Land Rover is going to stop *ME* by God!" technique.....If you take a sharp chisel and use this to cut a notch in one of the (former) flats of the plug and then using the side of the notch ,"chisel" the plug around...sort of a hammer it 'round deal...point a: It will end up looking like beavers have been knawing on it..point b: if you slip with the chisel...see oil draining method above.....(splash!) have FUN! steve..... "HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..." "NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon Steven M. Denis " "-1957 107 Station Wagon PO Box 61 " "-1964 109 Pickup Erieville,New York USA " "_1967 109 NADA SW 13061 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 08:17:45 1994 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:12:16 -0500 (EST) From: Steven M Denis Subject: Re: This 'N GATT To: maloney Cc: LRO@stratus.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 691 Status: RO X-Status: Oh yeah bill has the oil pan thing down...he *is* an oily charcter...but he remined me that the plug may be brass...if so...smack in on the head as if driving it into the sump them try the mole wrench....and if that fails. use a hacksaw to cut off the head and the threaded part will turn out...if you try to grind a brass plug,you will just load up the grinding wheel... steve.... "HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..." "NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon Steven M. Denis " "-1957 107 Station Wagon PO Box 61 " "-1964 109 Pickup Erieville,New York USA " "_1967 109 NADA SW 13061 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 08:27:02 1994 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:22:44 -0500 (EST) From: Steven M Denis Subject: Re: Mixing Fuels To: Jason LaBranch Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: <9412130046.AA02662@yeola.sybgate.sybase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1043 Status: RO X-Status: On my way home one day, I happened to run a wee bit short of petrol in the 109......problem...(I ain't *pushin'* no bloody stationwagon anywhere except off a cliff..) Ah *HA*!!!! a quick rush to the rear,grab the two five gallon cans (that had been the catalist for the trip) and glug ten gallons of K-1 kerosene into the tank.."Rurrrrr Rurrrr. ZOOM!" ...on the first steep hill it pinged a bit..so dash under the bonnet,turn the vernier adjustment on the distributor all the way in and *presto* a Kero powered landrover.....It then took a shot of gasoline in the morning to get it to start, but it ran very well on the low grade sruff....but it cost more so I stopped afer that 10 gallons......./ steve..... "HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..." "NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon Steven M. Denis " "-1957 107 Station Wagon PO Box 61 " "-1964 109 Pickup Erieville,New York USA " "_1967 109 NADA SW 13061 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 08:35:53 1994 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 08:27:22 -0600 From: Marcus Tooze To: tooze@vinny.cecer.army.mil, Ian.Stuart@edinburgh.ac.uk, lro@team.net Subject: Re: thanks Status: RO X-Status: > > BTW I will be in the UK from the 29th Jan to 11th Dec. Anybody got > > some good meets to visit, or maybe a good used parts yard etc etc I should > > take a trip too.... > If these dates are correct (ie nearly a whole year) there are enough meets > happening around the coutry to keep you busy almost every weekend! > > Where in the UK are you to be based? This will have an influence on the > nearest club to you. If you tell me where you'll be, I'll send you a few > contacts from the clubs list (also available via WWW :) > DUH! I meant 28 Dec to 11 Jan (it was 7am here when i wrote that). I wil be in both Worcester and London.... From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 08:38:32 1994 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:30:15 -0500 (EST) From: Steven M Denis Subject: Re: Footwell/Mudshield Replacement To: Chris Stevens Cc: land-rover-owner@team.net In-Reply-To: <199412131416.GAA24044@nic.cerf.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 534 Status: RO X-Status: DO NOT cut everything out at once...if you do the dementions are lost for the dooropening and *nothing* ever seems to fit correctly again..... Please....don't ask.....really....wana buy a *worthless* cowl...cheap??? steve...... "HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..." "NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon Steven M. Denis " "-1957 107 Station Wagon PO Box 61 " "-1964 109 Pickup Erieville,New York USA " "_1967 109 NADA SW 13061 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 09:03:23 1994 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:57:33 -0500 (EST) From: Steven M Denis Subject: Re: More on Mixing Fuels To: Jason LaBranch Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: <9412131900.AA03135@yeola.sybgate.sybase.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 597 Status: RO X-Status: The fella you are looking for is one Louis Wyshorsky (sp) who is converting all manner of diesels to veggie power...he lives in Liberty NY...youu might try to contact him by calling the Miss Montocello Diner in liberty..ask for Nate(owner)..this is where he gets old fry oil.... steve..... "HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..." "NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon Steven M. Denis " "-1957 107 Station Wagon PO Box 61 " "-1964 109 Pickup Erieville,New York USA " "_1967 109 NADA SW 13061 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 09:17:41 1994 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:08:30 -0500 (EST) From: Steven M Denis Subject: Re: You Mail To: Bob Rickard Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 112 Status: RO X-Status: On Tue, 13 Dec 1994, Bob Rickard wrote: > HELP > Ummmmmmm Bob? could you be a little more specific???????? From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 09:30:58 1994 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:23:05 -0600 (CST) From: Ray Harder To: ROY CALDWELL Cc: lro@stratus.com Subject: Re: U-Joints In-Reply-To: <9412140647.AA21525@mtnoca.helena_noc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: On Tue, 13 Dec 1994, ROY CALDWELL wrote: > Anybody out there come up with a non-Rover > replacement for the u-joints? Need some > sonn. But of course was wondering if they > could be had kinda local. > > Roy - Rovers in the Rockies > the way i remember it is that the larger one's are the same as a chevy truck. here is something to check out. take one out and compare 'em at the counter with calipers before taking it home... *source is steve johnson's list 15/16 length over bearing caps ... TRW 20023 (with grease fitting) 15/16 length over bearing caps ... NAPA 5-4X (no grease fitting) 7/32 length over bearing caps ... NAPA 5-153X 7/32 length over bearing caps ... PRECISION 369 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ray Harder Columbia, Missouri 314-882-2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 09:31:10 1994 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 10:20:24 -0500 (EST) From: Steven M Denis Subject: Re: U-Joints To: ROY CALDWELL Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9412140647.AA21525@mtnoca.helena_noc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 791 Status: RO X-Status: The drive shaft U-joints are standard spicer ....any driveshaft place/good parts house can match them up...BTW..there are 2 different sizes on the series rovers...*AND* I've seen both sizes on one vehicle..so check all of them...... steve...... "HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..." "NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon Steven M. Denis " "-1957 107 Station Wagon PO Box 61 " "-1964 109 Pickup Erieville,New York USA " "_1967 109 NADA SW 13061 On Tue, 13 Dec 1994, ROY CALDWELL wrote: > Anybody out there come up with a non-Rover > replacement for the u-joints? Need some > sonn. But of course was wondering if they > could be had kinda local. > > Roy - Rovers in the Rockies > From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 10:19:39 1994 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 11:13:27 -0500 (EST) From: Steven M Denis Sender: Steven M Denis Reply-To: Steven M Denis Subject: Re: Rover To: Kelly Minnick Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: <199412132032.PAA26136@transfer.stratus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Length: 604 Status: RO X-Status: Transfer box conversion through Ian Ashcroft.... Windows....scribe around the glass and add a bit for the gasket (1/2 inch?) The roof vents can be installed in the regular hard top....but I'll bet that they will leak like a screen door w/o the protection of the tropical panel..... steve..... "HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..." "NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon Steven M. Denis " "-1957 107 Station Wagon PO Box 61 " "-1964 109 Pickup Erieville,New York USA " "_1967 109 NADA SW 13061 From dkenner@emr.ca Wed Dec 14 11:03:07 1994 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:07:43 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: U-Joints To: Ray Harder In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A > *source is steve johnson's list > 15/16 length over bearing caps ... TRW 20023 (with grease fitting) > 15/16 length over bearing caps ... NAPA 5-4X (no grease fitting) > 7/32 length over bearing caps ... NAPA 5-153X > 7/32 length over bearing caps ... PRECISION 369 Can I get a copy of this list to merge with the big one I have here? I didn't have the TRW number but did have another Precision # for the earlier LR's (344) Thx, Dixon From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 11:09:11 1994 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:05:12 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: You Mail To: Steven M Denis Cc: Bob Rickard , lro@team.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 14 Dec 1994, Steven M Denis wrote: > On Tue, 13 Dec 1994, Bob Rickard wrote: > > > HELP > > > Ummmmmmm Bob? could you be a little more specific???????? Bob thought lro@team.net was the address for an automated mailing list server. Sent him off to lro-request@stratus.com From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 11:11:17 1994 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:02:43 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: This 'N GATT To: Steven M Denis Cc: maloney , LRO@stratus.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 14 Dec 1994, Steven M Denis wrote: > Oh yeah bill has the oil pan thing down...he *is* an oily charcter...but Bill doesn't change the oil anyway. Runs so fast out the back of the crank, past the doomed rings etc. there is never a need to pull the plug to recycle. He's adding a litre a day... From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 11:43:55 1994 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 18:39:39 +0200 (METDST) From: S|ren Vels Christensen Sender: S|ren Vels Christensen Reply-To: S|ren Vels Christensen Subject: Re: Waving, revisited To: Roger Sinasohn Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <199412130437.AA06451@crl9.crl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 12 Dec 1994, Roger Sinasohn wrote: > Been thinking about this a bit... There's been a fair bit of discussion > about waving to Range Rovers and Disco's, Disco's waving to RR's, RR's waving > to LR's, etc. Then someone said "I wave to everyone". > [snip] During the summer i wave to LR's. But during the winter "I wave to everyone". There is of course an explanation to this. Lawrence is a continental car with left hand steering. Despite the fact that it was built during the Leyland era, the pedals are located to the left as well. The defroster on a series landy is most efficient to the right, so i have to wipe the left windshield with my hand for the first 10 min. And sometimes people waves "back". I bet they think i'm a nice guy... ...well, most of the time i am...at least sometimes... +----------------------------+--------------------------------+ | Soren Vels | 1976 sIII 109" 2.25 petrol | | velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk | "Lawrence of Arabia" | ((|||)) | Royal Danish Air Force | Dansk Land-Rover Klub no. 3564 | ((|||)) | Communications Specialist | DL-RK: Approx. 1000 members. | ((|||)) +----------------------------+--------------------------------+__((|||))______ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 12:19:00 1994 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:08:27 -0500 (EST) From: Jon Humphrey To: lro@team.net, LANDROVER@delphi.com Subject: Re: Fern is dead... In-Reply-To: <01HKMFWV1OAI8YAJCK@delphi.com> Status: RO X-Status: Mike, my deepest sympathies go out to Fern, and to you, oh greiving master. It is so sad to hear of the passing of a brave and noble beast of burden. Those sexy photographs of her/him posing in the woods, barely detectible, just didn't reflect the pain and misery that must have been underlying that gay, devil may care, exterior. Alas Alas, Farewell sweet Prince/Princess. Most Humble Servant Rest In Peace. Regards Jon From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 12:33:09 1994 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:28:46 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner Subject: Re: Fern is dead... To: Jon Humphrey Cc: lro@team.net, LANDROVER@delphi.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 14 Dec 1994, Jon Humphrey wrote: > Mike, my deepest sympathies go out to Fern, and to you, oh greiving master. > It is so sad to hear of the passing of a brave and noble beast of burden. > Those sexy photographs of her/him posing in the woods, barely > detectible, just didn't reflect the pain and misery that must have been > underlying that gay, devil may care, exterior. > Alas Alas, Farewell sweet Prince/Princess. Most Humble Servant Rest In Peace. All is not lost. Quick, someone send the theme music to "the Six Million Dollar Man" to Mike. He can rebuild him! If Mike lets Fern rust in peace, Fern's soul would be in great danger of being swept up in the birth of a Suzuki, or something equally horrible. He must *save* Fern (or tow him up to my place... ) From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 13:03:49 1994 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:25:54 -0500 (EST) From: Jon Humphrey To: Richard Lucking , Steven M Denis Subject: Re: Sump plug stuck Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: Status: RO X-Status: One other thought might be to cut off the head that is rounded off, or leave it there, and if it is brass you could easily drill the correct size tap hole size and put in a 1/4, or 3/8 pipe thread plug. Just tap a new hole in the existing plug. Probably $4.00 for the bit and $10.00 for the tap. It might take an hour to drain the oil though. Might get your drill messy but what the heck. Creative maintenance Jon From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 13:08:46 1994 Subject: New Subscriber To: land-rover-owner@team.net Date: Wed, 14 Dec 94 11:00:25 PST From: Roger Peng Status: RO X-Status: Introduction: I've been an 4 X 4 enthusiast for a long time. I don't currently own a Landrover, in fact I drive a Toyota Landcruiser, but I really like the Defender 90, and hope to own one someday. I'm especially interested in what owners have to say about it. The defender 90 is a relatively new entry into the US market. I rarely see one on the road, perhaps because the price is high. If anyone on the list owns a late model Defender 90, I'm interested in knowing how you like it. Can this vehicle be used everyday? I've heard some reports saying that this vehicle is too uncomfortable to be used for long trips. How is the reliability? By that I mean can I treat it like a Japanese car and not have to worry about it too much? Or is it more like an up-market British car that requires a lot of expensive maintenance? I live in California, and currently own the three vehicles: 1988 Honda Accord (114,000 miles, never missed a beat) 1980 Toyota Landcruiser FJ40 (Looks like a Jeep, lots of fun) 1977 Jaguar XJ12L (Smooth machine, V12 motor, but needs to be nursed along) -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Peng (408)765-7863 Intel Corporation Design Technology, Physical CAD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 13:27:51 1994 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 94 11:16:09 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Reply-To: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com, lro@stratus.com Subject: Re: U-Joints Status: RO X-Status: In message <9412140647.AA21525@mtnoca.helena_noc> ROY CALDWELL writes: > Anybody out there come up with a non-Rover > replacement for the u-joints? Need some > sonn. But of course was wondering if they > could be had kinda local. > > Roy - Rovers in the Rockies Roy, there are two sizes that I'm aware of. I just took one of mine to the local auto parts store & they matched it up for me. They take a standard size. TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 14:55:13 1994 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:44:47 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Kelly Minnick From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool) Subject: Re: Land-Rover conversions Cc: lro@team.net Status: RO X-Status: A Kelly, you said: >Not sure exactly what an Ibex is. Maybe I'm missing something. I thought that >it was this new planned 'uni-bodied' frame vehicle that LR is developing. >The approach and departure angles sound great. The Ibex was a kit vehicle made by Foers Engineering in Yorkshire. (I say was because it has stopped production to make way for a new but similar model from Foers. It has a spaceframe which is made up of rectangular tubing, including a rollcage structure. Then all tubes are drilled to allow the galvanizing to get everywhere, then the whole monolithic structure is hot-dip galvanized. Then bodywork is all riveted or bolted in place, with inner panels of zinc-coated or galvanized steel, outer ones of aluminum alloy. The panels have no curves, all angles, so you can get replacement panels made at a sheet-metal shop, at least in theory. Despite the simplicity, this is a very hansome (and mean-looking) vehicle. The kit comes with the body structure complete, including door and window seals, with the doors hung and the windows installed, etc., ready to paint. The "90" (which Foers calls "240" which is the metric equivalent of 90) has, of course, the same 92.9" wheelbase as the Defender 90, and sells for about $5,500 complete with full-length hardtop, plus shipping and duty from England. We could save on the shipping costs if several of us were going to get them shipped at the same time and went together on a container. There are now three or four in California and one in Washington interested... A topless or pick-up topped version is even less money. I figured that I would have to spend somewhere around $5,000-7,000 for a suitable wrecked Range Rover (as donor vehicle to complete the Ibex kit) and the one you found makes it sound like I had it figured about right. Then, add the Defender parts you have to have (rear driveshaft, dash panel--fascia to the British, pedal box assembly, and heater), I figure a complete vehicle would run me somewhere around $15,000 (unassembled). Still quite a lot (and not possible for me at this time) but half the cost of a new Defender 90 for a much better (and *certainly* more distinctive) off-road vehicle. Another feature of the Ibex is huge fender wells and openings to allow any size tires you might want, such as big flotation jobbies for your desert terrain. It also has a down-sloping bonnet and wings for better off-road visibility. >I have stumbled across a '92 >RR that was hit on the front left, but no frame damage. The guy wanted $6500. >For a play thing, this is still beyond me. These guys are selling complete >3.9L engines with ECU box for $3500. Where do we go from here? It might be >easier to get the coil frame (I have all the data & prices) and build up the >vehicle, but the power and strength of the RR diffs, Transfer and Engine are >really tempting. You have the ideal vehicle since it is older that '65. I >sold my '64... hmm! I thought about turning my '73 into a '64 on paper only. >I could buy a '64 or older; register the thing, buy the coil suspension with >the RR diffs & brakes, and then wait for a RR engin/trans deal or buy one >from England when they jank them for desiel conversion... Could be done for >maybe about $4500. That may be doable. The front end of the vehicle would >have to look like a D90 for the V-8, but that's ok... >KTM > Actually, it is not really necessary to change to the 90-style front end. The V-8 is definitely a tight fit in the 88's engine compartment but can work. The engine-driven fan has to be elimintated and the shaft from the water pump cut off. The fan is replaced by an electric one, in front of the radiator. If I do a coiler/V-8 conversion, I will certainly do it this way, as I want that recessed area for my winch mounting. There actually owners who have put the V-8 in Series Is without (outward) bodywork modifications and they have a tighter engine compartment than the Series IIs and IIIs. TTYL. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ] [ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ] From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 15:41:33 1994 To: lro@team.net Subject: Re: roverhead rantings In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 14 Dec 1994 00:25:43 EST." Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:30:34 -0800 From: Mike Fredette Status: RO X-Status: Folks comment, > Defender future? Nothing certain, but look for possible additional variations > of 90 before DOT forces it to go away. One things for sure > Bet you they are gone for one reason. The 300 TDi will be the > only engine offered by LR. If its approved, then it will be here, > if not... DOT isn't going to blow away the Defender in the USA, > EPA will & only because LR isn't going to have the V8 about > (unless by special order, but try and get one over in the USA) As I understand it, the upcoming end to the D90 is a due to a combination of factors. The 300Tdi engine question as stated by Dixon is one, but I really think they could work that one through emmisions or use the BMW diesel which has already passed that hurdle. I've been told by some LR reps visiting here not long ago, that the main reason is due to the upcoming 1996 US regulations that force ALL non-commercial autos, trucks, vans, suvs etc., to be equipped with an airbag. They said the expense in retrofitting this technology to the Defender 90 is not justifiable given the sales volume of only a few thousand per year sold in the US. Don't know what the regs in Canada are about future airbag requirements, but here in the US, it's do or die by 96. So, 95 and a few left over into 96, but then thats it for the D90. Now to replace it, they have the four door , short wheel base project under developement. It is supposed to use many of the Defender parts such as axles and other running gear, I'm sure somebody in LRO will get the word out on the streets soon, it will surely have some stupid codename inside the halls of LR but that's hardly new for the auto industry. Rgds Mike Fredette Portland, Oregon D90 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 15:42:35 1994 From: rmodica@east.pima.edu Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:36:23 MST To: LRO@TEAM.NET Subject: Landroveritis Status: RO X-Status: This is my introduction to the LRO net. (Thanks, Mike.) I'm a novice on the Internet, but an old Land Rover owner. Bought my first LR in 1974 after a Spring Break in Mexico with a friend and his then new Land Crusier. Traded my car for a 1967 SIIA 88" in very great condition. That's when I contracted Landroveritis. It's nice to know there are others out there with the same affliction. As the family grew so did the length of the LR and in 1979 I traded the 88" for a 1960 SII 109". Then along came a great 1951 SI 80", and finally a 1994 Discovery 5-speed. There is also this nice 88" down the road, but my wife would probably shoot me. Anyhow that's part of who I am. The other part is a Humanities instructor named Rob Modica at Pima Community College in Tucson,Arizona (read a ZERO rust environment). Armrests? If you've got both hands on the wheel what use is an armrest? Third hinge: I've had a second,standard LR bottom hinge on the reardoor of my 109" for 12 years. It stabilizes the door and really supports a rear tire. Sandy's idea of alignment is elegant. I just used a 4 foot carpenter's level lined up on the originals and bolted it to the galvanized plate at the top of the body panel. Sandy: How does one submit a sealed bid on e-mail? Send it in code? I look forward to the Digest everyday. Would be especially interested in SI restoration ideas--parts, techniques, sources, etc. Also anyone in Arizona interested in getting together e-mail me at rmodica@east.pima.edu and we"ll try to meet. "Nice truck, mister." "It's not a truck, it's a LAND ROVER." "Who makes it?" "Land Rover." "Yeah, but who builds it?" "Land Rover." "Where is it made?" "Great Britain." "Who makes it?" "LAND ROVER!!!!" "Yeah, nice truck." "IT'S NOT A TRUCK, IT'S A LAND ..." Rather long for an intro. Rob. From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 16:52:08 1994 Date: 14 Dec 94 16:48:56 -0600 From: "Hui Ben " <@email.mot.com:Hui_Ben@il02m> To: land-rover-owner@stratus.com Subject: spin on adapters Status: RO X-Status: i need to know if there is a aftermarket spin on adapter to replace the canister oil filter units. my series 2a is leaking oil big time and its not the oring. i think the canister holder is bent any help is appreciated ben hui, vancouver b.c. canada From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 17:43:10 1994 From: "Mugele, Gerry" To: "'LRO-Digest'" Subject: The Zenith of Carbs? Date: Wed, 14 Dec 94 15:40:00 PST Encoding: 31 TEXT Status: RO X-Status: Kelly Minnick said >> NEVER use a rochester carb off of a 250-6 chevy. The added fuel washes the oil off the rings and cylinders.. ie. lots of wear. << and ..>>Living out here in California, the EPA people seem to want me to have all the original smog equipment. Since the Zenith (IVE - E for emissions) was a real dog, most everyone threw them out as soon as they got home and bolted on these silly Rochester's. Where can I get an IVE Zenith? (with the dash pot and solenoid fuel cut-off). Mine even had an EGR valve which I thought was only on the Austrailian market!<< Kelly, I ve had 2 LRs with the Zenith...both carbs died the same death. The zamac (pot metal) body of the thing rotted away at the anti-dieseling solenoid. Replaced one with a Rochester: cheap, easy to install, VERY reliable, more power, sucked fuel like a sieve. No other problems with wear or deterioration and it passed the Calif smog checks first try every time. Replaced the other with the single throat Weber. More expensive, more complicated, better power and response, slightly better mileage, requires more love and attention, passes Calif smog checks but usually gets the tester into a severe snit. The Zenith is NOT necessary to pass the test...(try another garage). The things are just an annoyance waiting for invocation by Murphy s Law. If you really want to have an automotive hair shirt like that , I recommend carrying a large store of gasket compound and various types of putty. Gerry * RM 1.6 B0280 * From the tracks, I'd say it was probably a porpoise. From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 17:47:44 1994 From: "Mugele, Gerry" To: "'LRO-Digest'" Cc: Granville Subject: Range Rover Salvage Date: Wed, 14 Dec 94 15:45:00 PST Encoding: 30 TEXT Status: RO X-Status: Granville said: >> As to where to get totaled Range Rovers? I don't know, I hadn't figured that one out, yet. I figured I would have to call all the insurance adjusters and ask to get in line for bidding on them as they come up<< Hey Gran, Ya gotta potential problem here, as I learned in an unfortunate encounter with a deer vs. RX7. The deer wandered off and the RX7 rolled. Insurance adjuster decided the car was totaled (that means it's cheaper to pay the owner 'blue book' for it than to pay for the repair. ==> (Repair Cost > Vehicle Value = Total the Vehicle)). Simple economics. Therefore, given the value, Range Rovers are going to be in pretty bad shape to be totaled. You can by a lot of body work for that kind of money. Worse: in California, when a vehicle has been totaled (at the sole discretion of the insurer) it has its title modified (by the DMV) to permanently reflect the new status. From that point on the title will always have a large red 'SALVAGED' stamped on the front. Note: this is regardless of the entent of the actual damage to the car! Were it me, which it ain t, I d pursue some very used/trashed but otherwise streetable Range Rover at the cheapest possible price. I d guess that in another year or two somebody's teenage hotshot kid will have destroyed their 1987 Ranger and they ll be ready to get rid of it for below blue book rather than deal with increased insurance premiums. Gerry * * CURVED UNIVERSE THEORY STATES: What goes around comes around! From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Dec 14 18:39:16 1994 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 16:36:01 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Mugele, Gerry" From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool) Subject: Re: RR salvage/Ibex kit Cc: lro@team.net Status: RO X-Status: Gerry sez (regarding my plan to use a late-model Range Rover total as donor vehicle for mechanicals and title for an Ibex kit): >Ya gotta potential problem here, as I learned in an unfortunate encounter >with a de