From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 00:57:24 1994 To: lro@team.net Subject: N9Y or N12Y ? Date: Tue, 01 Nov 1994 06:54:16 +0000 From: John Gardener Status: RO X-Status: My V8 currently has N9Y plugs fitted but the Land Rover Workshop Manual says that the engine/carb configuration should have N12Y. I know that its running rich but the N9Y core looks a nice colour (but the walls are sooty. The question ? Do N12Y's run cooler than N9Y's ? If this is the case then I'd expect that without re-setting the carb the N12Y's would get very sooty, yes ? Then it would be a case of turning the mixture down to get the correct core colour back, yes ? From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 01:42:40 1994 From: WB6AGE@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 02:39:25 -0500 Sender: WB6AGE@aol.com To: lro@team.net Subject: Frame Paint Status: RO X-Status: >Can anyone in the states suggest a good quality rush paint for painting my ^M SIII frame ?? I just painted my just sandblasted SII 88" frame with "Hammerite Smoothe gloss black" Use a brush/or spray but put on lot's of coats and be careful with the nooks and crannies. It's a glass loaded paint and has good abrasion resistance. Another option is powder paint. Typical Oregon prices are 75$us for the sandblast, $22 for a half gallon of paint, or $150 for powder paint. Good luck, Bob WB6AGE@aol,com From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 03:26:54 1994 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 04:20:04 -0500 (EST) From: "Hal A. Lightwood" Subject: Hello! To: lro X-Envelope-To: lro@team.net Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mime-Version: 1.0 Status: RO X-Status: I am a new owner of a 1972 SeriesIII 88" Land Rover. This is my first experience with this type of vehicle and I am very happy to have found this mailing list! Bye for now! Hal A. Lightwood From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 04:06:48 1994 Subject: Re: '95 Disco features. To: LRO list Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 09:50:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Richard Jones Organization: Apricot Computers Limited Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1625 Status: RO X-Status: DEBROWN@srp.gov writes: > > FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov > Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics > PAB204 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 > SUBJECT: '95 Disco features. > I've recently spoken to an owner of a '95 Disco, and thought I'd share > my findings with you as for the differences between a '94 and '95. > > o Side impact beams in rear doors added. > o More color choices (more blues added) > o Dis-arming the alarm activates the interior lights. > o Lumbar supports in the front seats. (I REALLY wish I had this!!) > o Wheels more silver color than grey. > > That's all I have found out. Anyone else know anything? o lots of stuff to meet US regulations o new front grille o new rear light arrangement (very poor in comparison to 94 vehicle but conforms to EEC regulations - shame you never see the break lights or indicators sitting in the bumper well below your line of sight :-( o new dashboard o 3.9 V-8 (thinking about it the 3.9 might just have sneeked into the last few 94 models) o improved Tdi o ABS available (option on some standard on others I believe) o electric tilting sunroof(s) -- _ __ Apricot Computer Limited Tel: (+44) 21 717 7171 ' ) ) / 3500 Parkside Fax: (+44) 21 717 0123 /--' o _. /_ Birmingham Business Park / \_<_(__/ <_ BIRMINGHAM B37 7YS Email: richardj@apricot.co.uk Richard Jones United Kingdom ..!uknet!apricot!richardj From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 04:43:10 1994 X-Authentication-Warning: tornadic.sw.stratus.com: Host localhost.stratus.com didn't use HELO protocol To: lro@team.net Cc: caloccia@lectroid.sw.stratus.com X-Copyright-1994: William Caloccia, All Rights Reserved. Subject: RR clutch master cylinder Date: Tue, 01 Nov 94 05:41:17 -0500 From: William Caloccia Status: RO X-Status: So I lost any pedal in my clutch, and found there was no fluid, and looked and found there was what seemed to be fluid from the clutch slave cylinder. Replaced that, bleed that, then bleed the top line from the master cylinder (which goes UP -- going over near the top of the bulkhead), and bleed the master cylinder, and it still doesn't 'hold' pressure. It isn't losing fluid any more. The pedal can be 'pumped up' Holding the pedal in (even a ten seconds) the clutch will engage. Makes getting it into revers a royal pain. So I figure the seals are gone within the master cylinder ... Does that sound reasonable ? Now for you UK folk - If I get parts from unipart can I get the same manufacturer (lockheed or girling, etc.) as from the LR parts ? I noticed the slave was lockheed, which is what I could have gotten for half that at the local parts store (which I can walk to from work). If I don't ask for a lockheed or girling one, will I get some naff part ? -Bill From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 06:32:20 1994 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 1994 08:24:14 -0500 From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) Phone: 201-564-2073 Subject: New ABP Catalog & SI Frame To: LRO@stratus.com Content-Type: Text Status: RO X-Status: The new ABP catalog just arrived. It isn't quite up to RN standards but it is light years ahead of the old one, and MUCH better organized. The new flyer is out too. No surprises on prices in either. If you don't get a catalog delivered (Haven't placed an order recently), they are $5 with a $10 parts certificate. For the person who just bought the Series I that needed frame work, there is an ad in their classified section for a Series I 80" frame, "rust free" (if it wasn't in Arizona I would be sceptical) and bulkhead (doesn't say if the bulkhead is rust free also). No price listed, Dave @ 602-432-2473. Bill Wayne, NJ USA 88IIA & 109 Wagon maloney@wings.attmail.com From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 08:21:57 1994 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 09:15:07 -0500 (EST) From: Jon Humphrey To: lro@team.net Subject: 65/88-4 Sale Cc: lro@stratus.com Status: RO X-Status: I don't know if anyone would be interested but I will post this to see. Here in Pittsburgh there is a 65 IIA 88 wagon with a safari roof for sale. I looked at it and I can't use it cause mines a 109 PU. And I have nowhere to put it if I did get it. Paint is rough but the frame looks pretty good and the body is straight. Interior is good. The down side is that the engine is apart. And the owner sez the pistons are frozen because he had it in a garage where someone was venting a clothes dryer. It's all there though, it might be good for some one to have for parts or restoration. >From what he told me, some one offered him between $500.00 and $1,000.00 and at the time he thought it was worth more. I think now he would go for anything cause Ithink he has to move it. I would think $500.00 is the right range, maybe $750.00. If your interested his name is: David H. Ertman 539 South Graham St. Pittsburgh, Pa. 15232 Phone 412-683-1902 or you can email me and I'll give him the message. Thanks for your time Jon From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 07:46:23 1994 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 94 09:26:59 EST From: "Lapa, Hank" Encoding: 29 Text To: LRO@team.net Subject: Splitfire & Over-the Road Status: RO X-Status: All, I've had Splitfire plugs in my 2 1/4 petrol for 2-3 years with no complaints. Just returned from my second "long" trip -- long weekend to Jamestown/Newport, Rhode Island. About 8 1/2 hours each way with various distractions, but spent most of the highway time with the speedo needle off the scale, passing almost as many cars as passed me. (I have overdrive, FWHs, 8:1 head, and Weber 2-barrel with otherwise original 34-year old drive train, engine bored out to .040 over.) Driving up Manhattan's west side, the uniform in the NYPD car kinda stared, but the cabbies seemed not to notice anything unusual. My other long trip, again from the DC area, was to Hartford, CT, to transport paintings from one museum to another in the Baltimore area. One really big item wouldn't quite fit in the 109, ever though the rear athwartships bench had been removed. Solution: unfasten the bar supporting the front seatbacks on the passenger side so that it hangs from the driver side only -- item then slid forward all the way to the seat box. My odometer recently stopped working. Does that affect the accuracy of the speedometer? Is this most likely a problem with the instrument or with the cable ends' engagement? Cheers, Hank From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 08:41:28 1994 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 1994 10:30:47 -0500 From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) Phone: 201-564-2073 Subject: Speedo Repairs To: LRO@stratus.com Content-Type: Text Status: RO X-Status: Hank asks: >> My odometer recently stopped working. Does that affect the accuracy of the speedometer? Is this most likely a problem with the instrument or with the cable ends' engagement? >> Hank, The problem is internal to the speedometer. If you want to repair it a good source for repair of any Smiths or Jaeger instruments is: Nisonger 570 Mamaroneck Ave, Mamaroneck, NY 10543 914-381-1952 I remember someone a while back who had them rebuild their speedo. It was either $90 or $110, I've forgotten which. I understand they can recalibrate your speedo to suit non-standard tire/wheel/differential combinations as well. (Sorry I couldn't respond direct. My mail package didn't give me a usable return address). Bill maloney@wings.attmail.com From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 10:10:39 1994 From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: Splitfire & Over-the Road To: hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com (Lapa Hank) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 94 16:05:02 GMT Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9410017837.AA783712100@Zeus.signalcorp.com>; from "Lapa, Hank" at Nov 1, 94 9:26 am Status: RO X-Status: Hank, Reckon we'll start a lineshoot book.For stories like"There I was upside down,and nothing on but the radio":-) You're in it *unless* you confess to the Pratt&Whitney you have bolted to the roof rack, and the fact you hgot booked for low flying. The probability is the speedo just gave up at that speed,hid its head in its hands and said "I darent look". The odometer is driven via a worm and wheel arrangement inside the speedo head,I think.Chances are that either the worm or wheel have stripped.Shouldnt affect the accuracy though. If its any consolation,mine hasnt worked for the last three years. Cheers Mike Rooth From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 10:33:29 1994 From: "Bryan White" Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 08:29:43 -0800 To: land-rover-owner@stratus.com Subject: subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Status: RO X-Status: subscribe From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 10:54:39 1994 From: BwanaE@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:51:43 -0500 Sender: BwanaE@aol.com To: vance@xnet.ssl.berkeley.edu Cc: lro@team.net Subject: mojave road Status: RO X-Status: Vance: Pres. Clinton yesterday signed the desert conservation bill into law. I don't know how soon this will affect the Mojave Road.... I'll be writing to " Friends of the Mojave" to purchase Dennis Casebier's guidebooks, and will ask them about the road's status.I'll post the answer on the net . Regards, Eric. From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 12:18:05 1994 To: lro@stratus.com From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: First oil change Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 18:13:59 UNDEFINED Status: RO X-Status: /Okay, enough rejoicing. My question: / Being the loving owner that I am, I intend to change the oil after the /first 1000 miles (which will be momentarily). I have been persuaded by /the rec.autos.tech crowd to go with synthetic. What's the best weight to /use? The dealer suggested 10W40 or 15W40, but the only synthetic I can /find is either 5W30, 10W30, or 15W50! The manual implies you can use /most, provided the temperature doesn't hit the extremes ( I live in /Maryland). Rec.motorcycles has this discussion in extreme depth every few hours........and motorcycle engines are far more choosy than lorry engines. Also motorcyclists are generally much more technically aware than car drivers - certainly, I get FAR more useful tech tips for teh lorry from rec.motorcycles than from rec.auto.tech (which I dont even bother to read any more......)!!!!!. The concensus is that synthetic should NOT be used for the first few thousand miles or teh breaking process will not complete properly. Furthermore, the benefit of synthetic is not proven even then. Better to simply use a normal dead-dinosaur-tea adn change it twice as often as teh manula states, changeing teh fiter at teh stated intervals. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 12:22:27 1994 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 10:17:50 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: lro@team.net From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool) Subject: Re: Water storage Status: RO X-Status: TeriAnn Wakeman writes: >There is an expidition equiped 110 2 door living in the Pacific Northwest that >has a pair of 20+ gallon stainless water tanks sitting in the space between the >front seats and the rear wheels. This is where the inside mounted spare tyres >go on 109 pickups. Lots of space there and keeps the center of gravity low. > >If those of you who have 88s or four door LRs look underneath your body, you >may find some wasted space that you can stick a water tank in. Another point to consider, which reinforces the efficacy of TeriAnn's suggestions, is polar moment of inertia. When you place weight near the ends of a vehicle, every time you change directions, that weight has to be swung around from side to side, making the vehicle more unstable, harder to control, more so if you are on any sort of side slope. By keeping the weight concentrated toward the center, you minimize this problem and make the vehicle handle much better. This is why Land-Rovers (at least the old ones) are "mid-engined," that is, have the engine mounted completely behind the front axle centerline. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ] [ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ] From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 12:24:56 1994 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 10:18:36 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: lro@team.net From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool) Subject: LRs are the best British cars (forward) Status: RO X-Status: I found this posting on the British Cars list and thought all you fellow Net-Rovers would enjoy it, so I copied it to this list: >Date: Sun, 30 Oct 94 13:56:16 EST >From: Brian Willoughby >Subject: Why Land-Rovers are the best British cars ever made > >I have read with a great deal of interest all of the currently trendy >Land-Rover bashing that has been littering these paperless pages of writ. I >have noted that the one thing that so many LBC owners pride themselves on is >the manner in which their cars leak oil. I have even heard of MG owners >arguing over whose car leaks the most. Somebody (perhaps here) once said that, >like a dog, this is the way in which British cars mark their territory. Well, >most LBC's only leak oil from three sites: the crankcase, the gearbox and the >rear differential. That is fine. Though most Land-Rovers leak from not only >these three areas, though also from their transfer cases, their front >differentials and both swivel pin housings. And that is why they are the best >British cars ever made. LBC's leave their mark like a toy poodle, though > >Land-Rovers leave theirs like a bull elephant. Yes, this is one-up-manship at >its most elemental. Remember, all British cars leak oil, though Land-Rovers >leak their oil with distinction. Why do you think the Queen owns a fleet of >them? > >Brian Willoughby, owner of a 1960 Land-Rover Series II Station Wagon (88"). > >As friend once warned me, "Never take up bank-robbing in that thing. You may >get away, though the trail it leaves behind will lead right to you." Hope that >all of this is taken in the tongue-in-cheek manner in which it was intended. >bawill01@ukcc.uky.edu > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ] [ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ] From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 12:54:50 1994 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 94 11:47:22 MST From: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL ) To: lro@stratus.com Subject: The Engine is In! Status: RO X-Status: Hey Gang! THE ENGINE IS IN! :~) Will rebuild the Weber tonight after work. She should be running tonight. Had trouble getting a carb rebuild kit. Have not found a cross-ref number so I can get the kit from a local source. Nor a cross-ref no. for the K-N airfilter element. Bummer stuff. When she is running under her own power I will try and post a full report on my rebuild adventure. Roy - Rovers in the Rockies - From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 13:15:00 1994 To: lro@team.net From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Yuppie scum Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 19:08:57 UNDEFINED Status: RO X-Status: / I'm sure there are plenty of yuppie D90 owners whose /trucks /will never see dirt under the tires, but I would venture that none who are on /this /list fall into that catagory. Sounds exactly like me...........I try never to take mine off teh road nowadays in case I break it.. I got it cos it's teh only thing on teh market I can leave to someone in my will...... But, since I have been living in it up in teh mountains for a couple of months, am I forgiven? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 13:21:09 1994 To: lro@team.net From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Cheapo 90 chassis Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 19:16:20 UNDEFINED Status: RO X-Status: /because there is no demand.And Dixon is right,I'm afraid.Given his /conditions,and ours,the modern chassis just dont last as long.There /is some *very* funny steel about.There are already articles on putting /new rear ends on young 90 and 110 models.Not for nothing was the phrase /"British Racing Rust"coined!If there are two things our climate is /famous for its the ability to rust,and the incidence of arthritis. A freind of mine who was a Warden for Newborough Desert nature reserve took his 90 on teh beach regularly as part of his job. The chassis fell in two in teh middle inside a year!!!!!!!!! Not impressed. Having said that, My 90 is 10 years old, gets Waxoyled all over the outside of teh chassis every year (takes about 15 minutes) adn all over the inside every 5 (no idea how long cos I get it done by someone with e HIGH pressure injector...). There is NO rust on it other than a few superficial flakes - even on teh outriggers. If you see some, you just spray a bit on from a plant sprayer carried round for the purpose, adn bingo - no further problem. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 13:34:41 1994 To: lro@team.net From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: 90s and Real Use(tm) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 19:24:23 UNDEFINED Status: RO X-Status: > The fact that some (most) can't af one is irrelevant. As for myself and the > other two D90 owners I know here in Portland, we use ours as God intended, > in the muck. I didn't buy the thing to look at it in the garage and wipe it > with a diaper, I use it. / / You are one of the first that I have heard that does. All the power / to you, it is nice to hear this. My limited experience has been the / opposite. However, I would ask, unlike most on the list, and just Round here they are all used by hill farmers. What creases me up is teh way that one of teh most fragile bits of em are teh steering bars - all nice and exposed in front of teh axle. The Poser^H^H^H^H^HCounty Staion Wagons come with bashbars in front of these. Pity none ever go off teh road. The commercials, that are heavily used by farmers who habitually run them into rocks, trees, sheep etc dont come with bashbars. Landrover market research wins another goldfish. Guess what accessories are selling like hotcakes to local farmers? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 13:35:57 1994 To: lro@team.net From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Babes that like Land Rovers? Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 19:31:19 UNDEFINED Status: RO X-Status: /hear any more disparaging remarks. I forgot to mention that she didn't /like the idea of more leaves on the inside than the outside. I had /parked topless under a tree for a week, during the transition from /soft top to hard top. Just got the top on that morning. And NO /SEATBELTS! I like freaking teh yuppies out at pressure washes. You pulll up behind them, adn watch their eyes go alll big when you open the doors adn hose it down inside, completely ignoring all teh muck on teh outside. You can hear the shorting our noises echoing round their heads......... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 13:55:25 1994 To: lro@team.net From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: To Lead or Unlead Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 19:41:19 UNDEFINED Status: RO X-Status: /The latest from the English (and I chose the name carefully) government is /that a *3 year* study by an appointed committee has found that "the rise in /cars is detrimental to the environment" (Mr Rooth! Stop that laughter!) / /The committee proposes (broadly): / /1) The price of petrol should be doubled /2) The investment in new roads should be stopped /3) Public transport should be made cheaper, better and more frequent / /The government has taken the report and "will respond after a thoughtful /and carefull revue". When asked how soon this response would be, the /minister said that it would be a "considered and thoughtful response, /thus not immediately" I think we all know how they will decide. In favour of 1) adn against 2) adn 3). /Don't you just love 'em....... Not much. No. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 15:33:59 1994 From: mtalbot@interserv.com Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:46:34 -0800 To: LRO@team.net Subject: RR reversing lights, and Brake lights.. etc Status: RO X-Status: <---- Begin Included Message ----> Subject: RR reversing lights, and Brake lights.. etc To: lro, LRO@TEAM.NET I read the thread about dim RR reversing lights. Just wanted to relay a problem I had on my 88 RR. I changed both brake lights and side lamps for inspection, after that I had problems with the engine cutting out under heavy braking. After calling Rovers North, they told me of problems with fitting non-standard brake lamps, with different voltage. If you fit a higher voltage the computer senses it and shuts down as it thinks there is a short somewhere. I changed to 12w 4v and all is fine. Hey, I can't explain it either but it cured my RR. Makes me wonder just what we will do when the New RR gets here, LRO found electronic problems with it on a test drive (LRO NOV). Whilst I'm here, I called LRO and gave them @#$% for the late arrival of LRO-OCT. They are going to try and get the mag here by 5th of each month. I'm on a role so I will keep going. For those of you who remeber, my Land Rover rental biz is picking up steam, few renatls for next year. I have just bought two more SIII's. One has completly nackered. The frame split in half when I went to collect it !! anyway that is now in bits behind the shed. Anyone looking for SIII parts, let me know, I have a spare SIII gearbox if any wants one, $175.00. Good rear body for $200.00. That's my lot for now.. <---- End Included Message ----> From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 14:04:41 1994 To: lro@team.net From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Picking on Land Rovers Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 19:57:06 UNDEFINED Status: RO X-Status: > The original question is how usable is a Land Rover on the road and is it > suited for taking long trips. SO far I'm the only one saying they are usable > on long trips, and even usable on the road. Make that two. Much to my surprise (comfort was not on my list of priorities when buying teh Lorry) I found that it was more comfortable than any other car I had ever driven on all day trips! I have a 90 with teh original minimalist square foam block seats. These, ,combined with teh superb suspension, give no aches at all after 16 hours in teh saddle. Unlike anything else I've driven. The suspension? Put it this way. When I moved into Sheffield, I took teh spare wheel off teh rear door adn put it in the back to prevent having to buy new one every day. I forgot to put teh nuts back n teh muonting. I then drove 12 miles over some really crap roads (south Yorkshire roads must be the worse 'surfaced' roads in teh world!!) to look at a house. Then I drove back. Getting out, I noticed the nuts were missing. Oh SHIT! Then I just about fell over - they were still sitting there ON THE REVERSING LIGHT HOUSING!!!!!!!!!!!! I'll not hear a bad word for 90 suspension........ With a deisel, I'm not going anywhere fast, but I get there eventually no matter what the road can throw at me, adn I get there relaxed. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 14:30:19 1994 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 94 15:21:41 EST From: Brian Willoughby Subject: NBC's Tom & Roseanne Arnold Biography To: land-rover-owner@TEAM.NET Status: RO X-Status: Did everyone with access to NBC watch the made-for-TV movie about Roseanne and Tom Arnold? If not, there was a great shot of a Defender 90 (yellow) and a Range Rover in what was apparently an L-R dealership. After Tom and Roseanne buy their Range Rover, it plays a prominent roll throughout the remainder of the film. If they re-air it, be sure to watch for the Rover(s). See you guys, Brian Willoughby bawill@ukcc.uky.edu From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 16:10:14 1994 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 1994 16:28:18 EST From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE) To: land-rover-owner@team.net Subject: New member Status: RO X-Status: We've got a new member on-line (I think)...Robert Davis, ROAV's resident guru on six cylinder engines, both the 2.6 as well as the 3.0 litre P-5's. If you got this Robert, welcome aboard. *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----* | | | Sandy Grice, Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com FAX: 804-622-7056 | | Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days) 804-423-4898 (Evenings) | | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA | *------------------------------------------------------* From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 17:05:03 1994 Date: 01 Nov 94 17:43:42 EST From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> To: land-rover-owner-list Subject: Re: Jon's Steering Relay Status: RO X-Status: Jory Bell (jory@MIT.EDU) was wondering: >I had to buy a new steering relay (whose oil level I should now check). How >often should I have to replenish a new relay's oil (it's been 2 years now). Basically, if the thing doesn't leak and the the top seals are ok you don't have to touch it ever. It doesn't actually *use* oil, it's just in there to preserve the polished shaft surface, and to keep the bushes soaked and running in oil. It might make sense, after the initial filling, to have a look after a few months (or 2 years in this case), as new bushes soak up a certain (minimal) amount of oil, and there might have been the odd air bubble trapped inside when sealing it up that has by now worked its way up and is waiting to be released. It is more important to keep the top and bottom of the relay always thickly covered with fresh grease and to clear away any muck and dirt, because water, dust and grit ingress is the one big relay killer. The relay itself is designed practically wear-free and, once oiled and properly sealed up, will last to all eternity - theoretically. Another netter referred to friends of his who drill a hole through the lenght and horizontally thru the centre of the shaft to facilitate oil filling... I would strongly disadvise this. The steering relay shaft is subjected to incredible torque and material strain and needs all the material and structural strength it can get. And your life depends on it. Imagine the shaft snapping when going around a sharp downhill bend in the Rockies... (and it _can_ break, I've seen one!) Just leave it as it is and take your time with oil filling. Stefan From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 17:03:56 1994 Date: 01 Nov 94 17:43:48 EST From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> To: land-rover-owner-list Subject: Re: Disco skid plates available? Needed? Status: RO X-Status: David Brown (debrown@srp.gov) was wondering: > the engine bay, but what affect would removing the air intake horn have > on the vehicle's computerized air flow system? Well, on an EFi engine I wouldn't touch the air intake system at all. A while ago we - temporarily - fitted a RR EFi with a "high" waterproof air intake out through the bonnet and up at the roof, with an additional cyclon filter. We had trouble getting the beast started, the exaust smoked, and consumption was way up. Still, better than sucking in water or ingesting dust (our fixup was for an offroad-rally). Maybe it would have been possible to correct this by readjusting a few gauges and transistors here or there, but we weren't proficient for that, and couldn't have been bothered anyway. But it does show that tampering with the air intake of an EFi impairs engine performance. Just thought I'd let you know. Stefan From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 17:02:05 1994 Date: 01 Nov 94 17:43:56 EST From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> To: land-rover-owner-list Subject: Rover: Jobs, investment, model strategy Status: RO X-Status: Here's another extract from a news clipping of the british daily 'The Guardian' of Oct. 20, 1994: ================================================================= ... ... Rover ... announced plans to take on 1,450 new staff as part of a five-year #1.5 billion investment drive. Up to 4,500 more jobs could be created as a result, with suppliers and dealers benefitting from increased output. ... Some 300 production workers are to be hired at the Solihull Land Rover plant where total staff has already been increased by 1,300 in the past 18 months. ... ... Rover's total workforce will rise to just under 35,000. The company has produced 50,000 more cars in the first nine months of the year than in the same period of 1993. John Towers, Rover's chief executive, said that he expected production to reach 490,000 this year and exceed 500,000 in 1995 ... The planned increase in production also reflects Rover's improving export performance ... ... The success of the Land Rover Discovery in the US has seen export sales rise 127 per cent this year. ... However, uncertainty remains over the long-term model range following the #800 million BMW takeover in February. Bernd Pischetsrieder, BMW chairman, said that the company was still developing a strategy for Rover Models. ... ================================================================= Enjoy, Stefan From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 17:02:44 1994 Date: 01 Nov 94 17:44:06 EST From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> To: land-rover-owner-list Subject: Re: Picking on Land Rovers Status: RO X-Status: ...I'll make it as short as possible, just the raw data should be enough to impress any Land Rover critic: Two years ago we (one 110, one 83'RR and my 73' S.III 109 Station) set off on a 5-week trip through the Near-East. My vehicle preparations: None. Just the regular as-is no-frills S.III 2.25 petrol that I had been driving daily and to work for the past couple of years. I threw a field bed, sleeping bag and a few plastic water canisters in the back (oh yes, and I did have one of those canvas water bags!), got in, turned the key, and then we drove through Austria, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, across Turkey, through Syria and Jordania, took the ferry in Aqaba over to the Sinai, had a look around Sinai, drove up past Suez, crossed the canal and continued to Cairo, rovered round the Pyramids, then down the Nile valley past Luxor and Assuan, through the desert all along the Assuan (formerly Nasser) Lake to Abu Simbel and Wadi Halfa (border to Sudan), no dice for entering Sudan, so back again through the desert to Assuan, then across the eastern desert highland to the Red Sea, up along the Red Sea to Suez; liked Sinai, so again over to Sinai and down to Sharm-el Sheikh, then back via Cairo through the desert to El-Alamein, had a look around (still plenty of war trash lying around), along the mediterranean coast to Alexandria, short on time, so we took the ferry back to Venice/Italy, with short stopovers on Crete and in Athens. From Venice back over the Alps (already snowing) to Germany. Well over 7,000 miles in just 5 weeks, under occasionally punishing conditions. My regular original factory-built plain vanilla 20-year old S.III 109 without any add-ons or 'expedition gear' whatsoever, fitted with near-bald old Avon Range Master tires, went through that trip without coughing, sputtering or stalling even once, and never got stuck either. Just a normal, interesting, totally trouble-free journey. So much for long distance travel in an old Land Rover. Now lets hear it from the Broncos and Blazers... Stefan From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 2 06:30:48 1994 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 94 17:56:03 EST From: "Lapa, Hank" Encoding: 23 Text To: m.j.rooth@lut.ac.uk Cc: LRO@team.net Subject: Speed and speedo Status: RO X-Status: Mike, Having seen the letters in the LRO mag about how motorists in the mother country seem to resent a fast Land-Rover going down the highway, skepticism is entirely justified. All I know is that my needle doesn't wobble at all from zero to well over 75. There was very much a time when the thing couldn't get out of its own way, on slopes, cold days, days of the week ending in "y" and so on. Seem that wires being routed to plugs in the wrong order had something to do with it. Also, when I finally got around to adjusting the distributor angle (clear to the stop!) to get the best idle, a big improvement was noted. When the wifey comes home from Okinawa for a few days, I'll have her pace me moving along the big slab; I may even fix a level in the car to ensure there's no gravitational assist. If the radiator panel does indeed glow from atmospheric friction, all pilgrims coming to see her (the Rover, not the wife) owe me a pint of Sam Adams. If it lies significantly, visitors are still welcome and I'll buy the Guiness. Til then, "That wasn't a German Starfighter; that was an American Rover!" Best Regards, Hank ;-) From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 17:55:31 1994 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 17:47:44 -0600 (CST) From: David John Place Subject: Re: First oil change To: Andy Woodward Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A friend of mine who participated in early tests of synthetic oils which prompted the Canadian Government to specify it for northern vehicles says for low temps there is nothing like it. He watched tests in Alert at the North Pole with the stuff. Vehicles left out overnight started with it but real stuff was like candy cane mix after a night out. He said they determined it was a good lubricant. My mechanic friend says don't use it till the rings are seated but after that use it always. You want to let the pan drain right out and change the filter because some brands don't like to mix together. Dave VE4PN From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 18:20:01 1994 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 16:16:01 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: lro@team.net From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool) Subject: The Last Ibex?? Status: RO X-Status: Hail, fellow Net-Rovers, and greetings! I wish to pass along to you, my fellow netters, the warm greetings of John Foers. Who? John is the founder and president of Foers Engineering, on the parental side of the pond. And Foers Engineering is (or was...) the maker of the rare and wonderful Foers Ibex. A what? For those who did not already know and whom I have not already bored with my lust for the Ibex, it is a simpler, more rugged, *no nonsense* kit-built, Land-Rover-based special, with a full spaceframe with rollcage to replace the Land-Rover's ladder frame. Available in 90" (actually 92.9", of course), 100", and 110", in open, pick-up, and full hard-top versions, even a four-door station wagon version of the 110". The spaceframe is hot-dip galvanized after construction, then fabricated aluminum body panels are bolted and/or riveted onto the spaceframe. Easily repaired and pretty much all body panels can be replicated at any capable sheetmetal shop. I had seen scant reference to the Ibex in LRO and, in the July issue (I think) one for sale (with a photo, under "something different"), but no articles. So I asked the net for more information. John Brabyn responded. He happened to have an issue of another mag with an article on the Ibex. He sent me a copy. I wrote to Foers for more information because, if the article was to be believed, here was something really awsome and reasonably priced. I specifically asked about using Range Rover components, as I figure that is the only way I can reasonably manage to do one in the U.S. (to acquire a wrecked U.S. spec. Range Rover, with good title, and keep it registered as a Range Rover). Besides, I want the 3.9l EFI V-8, 4-speed auto, and viscous coupling, along with, hopefully, the ABS, self-leveling, power-steering, and air-conditioning. Yeah, gnarly, but civilized. Travel in comfort to the trails, then kick ass. *YES* c|:{o> Well, John Foers wrote me back a very nice letter, making clear that he enjoyed getting my letter. He said he really got a good chuckle over picturing an international network of Land-Rover experts [his words, more or less, indicating this list] discussing his "elusive machine." Charming, I thought. He also informed me that the very last Ibex, as currently configured, is currently being built. The last one? Am I too late? No. He will be switching over to start production of a new creation, basically the same, starting in January 1995. He said that I was the very first on the American continent to know about the new one, and you, fellow netters, are next. He said that, inflationary forces notwithstanding, the prices should be about the same and that performance will not be compromised. And that is saying something: He asked if I had ever gotten a stock Defender 90 cross-axle (I wish!) and then tried to open and close the back door. He says, with the Ibex, that is no problem. We're talking rigid here! Hear, hear! I *do* plan to have one, in the next couple of years... and, no, I don't work for Foers, although I'd like to! Cheers, Granville From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 19:02:17 1994 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 1994 19:56:03 -0500 From: Andrew Steele Subject: "Last Gasp Ralley" Details To: lro@stratus.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO X-Status: Hello, I called one of the sponsers of the Ralley, Cherly Ritchie, this evening ans she so go ahead and post the details so here goes: (summarizing from the six page mailing) BLUE RIDGE LAND ROVER CLUB The Mooore's and the Ritchie's invite you to attend a "Last Gasp Rally" in Parkersburg, WV, 11-13 November 1994. Please meet us at the offices of Parkersburg Distributing Co., U.S. Rt 50 East at Dry Ridge Road (2 miles east of I-77/US Rt 50 intersection) for a 9:00am departure on Saturday, 12 November. Bring your Rover, your appetite for food and your appetite/aptitude/attitude for off road adventure. We intend to drive on numbered and un-numbered county roads, that may or may not be passable. Adventure begins on concrete to get to the excellent adventures. They state that they do intend to get dirty. Spoiler removal is recommended for Range Rovers. Please include working fire ext, first aid kit, CB radio if possible. They will have a couple of shovels and saws, but any other equ is appreciated. (winches etc.) Cost will be $5.00 per vehicle - that will cover the dash plaques and dinner. (Obviously they under estimate how much I eat, so in good faith, should I register a shadow?) Hosts will provide lunch except for drinks. Friday evening get-together at the Parkersburg Distributing Co - liquid refreshments, "finger-food", gossip and Rover videos, shown on big screen TV. Distribution Co will be working, so please use caution around the forklifts and trucks (I wonder if they sanction betting for fork-lift races?) Breakfest is on your own at a number of restaurants at the I-77/US Rt 50 interchange. Shoneys, BobEvans, McDonalds, Burger King, Omelet Shop and Mountaineer Family restaurants. _--------------_-------------_---------------_--------------------_ Please mail registration, including: Name Address Phone # in party Rover Model plus $5 payable at time of the Rally to: David or Cherly Ritchie (304) 422-0531 office (304) 428-3068 home or P.O. Box 507 Parkersburg, WV 26102-0507 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I forgot to note above that they may develop an off-road track through 30 acres of Dave Ritchie's hillsides and woods. Accomidations: Stables Motor Lodge (recommended by hosts) - wv (800) 255-1682 usa (800) 782-2536 $31.95 to $44 for a two person "executive" suite Econo Lodge (304) 422-5401 $31.95 to 39.95 Best Western (800) 528-1234 $32 to 45. Red Roof (800) 843-7663 $34.99 to 48.99 Holiday Inn (304) 485-6200 $70 for one person $76 for two all of the above at, or close to the I-77 & Rt 50 interchange. The hosts are promising enough trees, rocks, hill, valleys, dirt and mud to keep winter withdrawl symptoms to a minimum. **** I am posting this summary with permission of the Rally Host's. To the best of my knowledge, none of them have E-mail capabilities. **** Hope to see everyone I met at Virgina, and those who didn't show (Dixon). Andrew 87 RR and Lum. Dayton, Ohio From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 2 02:41:44 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Wed, 02 Nov 1994 03:36:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: New ABP Catalog & SI Frame To: maloney@wings.attmail.com, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"maloney@wings.attmail.com" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO X-Status: Bill just got new reading material for the privy... > > The new ABP catalog just arrived. It isn't quite up to RN standards but it is> > > light years ahead of the old one, and MUCH better organized. The new flyer is> > The *have* included a new section, just before the price list. Very clever, these guys... The new section is a LR part# to ABP part# cross-ref. It seems to me that they realized probably most all of thier customers have either factory shop manuals *or* Rovers North catalogs, both which have detailed drawings with Land Rover part numbers. The new ABP catalog has real small drawings which are practically useless. So they (ABP) saved money by NOT including drawings, figuring everyone could use something else for reference... Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 2 02:43:29 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Wed, 02 Nov 1994 03:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Splitfire & Over-the Road To: hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO X-Status: Hank Lapa sez.... > > My odometer recently stopped working. Does that affect the accuracy > of the speedometer? Is this most likely a problem with the >instrument > or with the cable ends' engagement? > If the Speedo still works but the odometer quit, then chances are it's a problem with the odometer mechanism itself. The cable drives a shaft in the speedometer. Said shaft has a gear which meshes with a gear on the odometer. The shaft also spins a magnet arangement on the end which makes the speedometer needle move. In theory, the odometer could sieze up and cause the gears to strip and your needle could still operate. I would think that if the odometer froze, the cable would twist and break. You sure the speedometer actually works?? With enough vibration, the needle will move around the dial by itself. Really! Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 2 04:13:18 1994 From: Steve Methley Subject: RR clutch and visiting San Francisco..... To: lro@team.net (landy list) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 94 10:10:59 GMT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: RO X-Status: Bill wrote: >Subject: RR clutch master cylinder >Date: Tue, 01 Nov 94 05:41:17 -0500 >From: William Caloccia > >So I lost any pedal in my clutch, and found there was no fluid, and >.......(replaced slave).... >So I figure the seals are gone within the master cylinder ... >Does that sound reasonable ? Beyond a doubt. BTW, did you get my mail, you live just down the road from me? >Now for you UK folk - If I get parts from unipart can I get the same >manufacturer (lockheed or girling, etc.) as from the LR parts ? Yes, but these items are quite reasonable from the LR parts dept, at least for my '79 - they have slashed the prices of some parts for older vehicles and you may be pleasantly surprised. San Francisco: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I'm going to be out there 13, 14 and 15 this month. Do we have any members? I met Dixon the last time I went to Canada and really appreciated him showing me around for an evening. Some of you may recognise me from the list from a year or two back (Hi!), maybe I'll get round to posting a summary for others to read. Cheers, Steve. (ex V8 lightweight, presently '79RR) From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 2 09:42:18 1994 To: lro From: John Hong/C/HQ/3Com Date: 2 Nov 94 7:49:14 EDT Subject: IBEX is sharp!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Status: RO X-Status: I saw one at the Derbyshire rally last year - I'd coin the word "pragmaTECH" to describe it. Space age looking yet very accessible. Fit and finish were superb. Minimal overhangs with a very clean exterior - nothing unnecessary poking out where it could get torn off scrubbing through brush. No joke about new panels from any sheet metal shop - the balance between ease of fabrication and esthetics was brilliant IMHO. On the home front, my beastie is running good again - sigh! Life is good. I really would like to do the frame up thing soon though - I'd be interested in hearing from any folks who have rented "self storage" space (or other rental space) for this task. John From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 2 06:31:14 1994 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 07:22:54 -0500 (EST) From: "Hal A. Lightwood" Subject: Washing a LR? To: lro X-Envelope-To: lro@team.net Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mime-Version: 1.0 Status: RO X-Status: Is it out of the question to try and make my LR a litle cleaner looking? Or is this against some sort of code? Every LR I have seen seems to look like it was never washed, painted or cleaned whatsoever. The guy that my father bought his LR from said he had never washed it, and had never been washed before to his knowledge. My father never washed it for the 15 years he had it, and now that he has given it to me, I feel as though I shouldn't break this tradition. Is this a common? Do Land Rovers every get washed? Hal A. Lightwood From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 2 06:37:39 1994 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 07:28:22 -0500 (EST) From: "Hal A. Lightwood" Subject: Clutch/Gear Problem To: lro X-Envelope-To: lro@team.net Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mime-Version: 1.0 Status: RO X-Status: I have a problem with my Clutch and/or gearbox. I cannot put it in reverse unless I first put it in 3rd or 4th first. If I don't do this it will make a terrible grind before it grudgingly slips in. This is also starting to happen occasionally when I put it in 2nd. I don't use first, due to the fact there is a tooth missing (or two). Could this occur due to the clutch plate being worn down? Or possibly the slave fluid leaking? It does leak and I have to keep it topped up all the time. Also, does anybody have a spare SeriesIII gearbox or misc gears for one? I need to replace that gear with the broken tooth. Hal A. Lightwood From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 2 08:18:17 1994 From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: Re: Washing a LR? To: halightw@FLASH.LakeheadU.CA (Hal A. Lightwood) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 09:11:10 -0500 (EST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: from "Hal A. Lightwood" at Nov 2, 94 07:22:54 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1526 Status: RO X-Status: > Is it out of the question to try and make my LR a litle cleaner looking? > Or is this against some sort of code? Every LR I have seen seems to look > like it was never washed, painted or cleaned whatsoever. The guy that my > father bought his LR from said he had never washed it, and had never been > washed before to his knowledge. My father never washed it for the 15 > years he had it, and now that he has given it to me, I feel as though I > shouldn't break this tradition. Is this a common? Do Land Rovers every > get washed? While some might regard those that wash a Land Rover as a Philistine, there are parts of a Land Rover that you should wash with great diligence. Happily for all of us, the areas that should be washed are not easily visible to the great unwashed masses, because as we all know, our Land Rovers look far better covered in mud than they do all prettied up. So where to clean... Clean the frame thoroughly after every mud run. Use a pressure washer on the frame if you have one. Leaving mud and dirt on the frame will just create nice pockets of moisture to attract rust, and later holes, in the frame. While you are at it, wash off the wiring loom where it appears in the fenders, above the rear cross member etc. The older looms have a woven covering on them. Keeping it wet only reduces life expectancy. Basically there is a need to wash the Land Rover, but only in the areas that matter and were it doesn't affect the look of the vehicle. Rgds, Dixon From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 2 08:36:17 1994 From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: Clutch/Gear Problem To: halightw@FLASH.LakeheadU.CA (Hal A. Lightwood) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 94 14:33:15 GMT Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: ; from "Hal A. Lightwood" at Nov 2, 94 7:28 am Status: RO X-Status: Hal, On the basis of "cheapest first" I'd replace the slave cylinder.It certainly IMO would produce the effect you describe.Mine did,but then mines a 11A with the halfsynchro box,and I cant remember off hand whether the 111 box has synchro on reverse as well. As for washing,as Andy Woodward remarked puzzle the Yuppies at the high pressure hose wash......get out and get it clean underneath, bugger the top,it wont rust(but *they* dont know). Cheers Mike Rooth From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 04:33:25 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Tue, 01 Nov 1994 02:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Tom Coren... coming to the Last Gasp To: PREID@csi.compuserve.com, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"PREID@csi.compuserve.com" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO X-Status: Last Gasp Rally???? R.P. Reid asks Tom... > > Tom: > > I saw by your sig that you were in VA. You coming to the Last Gasp Rally in W> > . > Va on the 11-12 November? > > Is anyone from the list going? > Where is it??? Inquiring minds want to know.... Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 1 01:15:14 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Tue, 01 Nov 1994 02:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: High-wattage reverse lights, gea To: dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO X-Status: Russell is suddenly concerned about what is behind him...... > > > > As an alternative, you could check out your local Central Tractor (or > > whatever similar agricultural store) and pick up a tractor flood light. > > Mount the bugger up high on the back somewhere. Tons of light! > > > Hmm....sounds like just what Nigel needs......along with a toggle > switch, of course (since I don't *think* I have a built in reverse > light switch I'll have to go "manual"). When did LR's come through > with reverse lights, I wonder? Gheeze, I don't even think I have > a license plate illumination device on daNige......life was just so > easy in those days....... > I'm not sure of the year but I suspect the late Ser IIa's probably had to have reverse lights for the US market. No plate lamp?? How old *is* Nigel anyway?? > .....and a horn, too, mounted on the column (but the switch is busted > and I have to connect two wires together to warn oncomers) > And here I thought you had some guy with a red flag walking 20 feet in front of you.... :) Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 2 10:23:52 1994 From: ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Subject: digests of past LRO dialog... To: lro@transfer.stratus.com (Land-Rover-Owners FORUM) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:14:25 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1315 Status: RO X-Status: I have posted this offer here before, but there are several new people on the LRO list. If you have FTP capability, old LRO "digests" are available for aquisition and late-nite browsing: Ray Harder *********************************************************************** ** anonymous ftp notes -- note this works, other methods should too. ** *********************************************************************** NOTE: Digests 92.8 thru 93.10 were collected by Mark Grieshaber and shared with me. Digests 93.10 (late) thru current were collected by Ray Harder. Obtaining LRO digests procedure: -- change to the proper directory on the receiving machine. -- issue the ftp command -- "ftp lulu.cc.missouri.edu". -- at the prompt, the user is anonymous and the password is anything, but the convention is the sender's user/node. -- have ftp cd to the LRO subdirectory -- "cd pub/lro" -- change to the proper directory on the receiving machine (if you didn't do it above -- "lcd Mail" (for example). -- issue the "mget *" ftp command to transfer the files. -- issue the "quit" ftp subcommand. -- Use your mailer to browse the files or print them for late night enjoyment. -- enjoy. *********************************************************************** From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 2 11:00:01 1994 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:46:22 -0600 To: lro@transfer.stratus.com From: hiner@mail.utexas.edu (Greg Hiner) Subject: Re: Clutch/Gear Problem Status: RO X-Status: >I have a problem with my Clutch and/or gearbox. I cannot put it in >reverse unless I first put it in 3rd or 4th first. If I don't do this >it will make a terrible grind before it grudgingly slips in. This is also >starting to happen occasionally when I put it in 2nd. I don't use first, >due to the fact there is a tooth missing (or two). Could this occur due to >the clutch plate being worn down? Or possibly the slave fluid leaking? It >does leak and I have to keep it topped up all the time. > I have a question that might pertain to this and pardon if I show some ignorance here. Is there a possibilty for movement to be transfered from the engine to the gearbox even if the clutch is working properly? Does the tip of the shaft coming out of the front of the gearbox turn in a pilot bush at the center of the flywheel? I seem to remember something like that from when I had the engine out. And if something got screwed with that bush could there be some torque transfered even though the clutch was working properly? I have the same problem as above but not all the time. I have a new clutch master and a good slave. Any thought on the above . . .? Greg From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 2 10:54:32 1994 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:46:24 -0600 To: lro@transfer.stratus.com From: hiner@mail.utexas.edu (Greg Hiner) Subject: New Range Rover Status: RO X-Status: I was looking at a picture of the new Range Rover and much to my surprise I realized that one of my favorite oil leaking/seal eating areas is gone - no swivel pin housings. The new Range Rover has the same axle set up one sees on the American 4x4s or at least that is how it appears. (I believe that Rovers used to have fully floating axles and now they are just semi-floating - is that a correct technical term?) Also the diff pumpkins are no longer off set to the right but are now off set to the left. I guess this marks the end of some of the parts swaping that can go on between Rovers (that is if my assumption that the 90/110/RR shared some of the same axles is correct). Greg From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 2 11:01:13 1994 To: lro@team.net From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Uniprat bits Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 16:54:51 UNDEFINED Status: RO X-Status: /Now for you UK folk - If I get parts from unipart can I get the same /manufacturer (lockheed or girling, etc.) as from the LR parts ? I noticed the /slave was lockheed, which is what I could have gotten for half that at /the local parts store (which I can walk to from work). Cant say explicitly about brake parts, but I needed a headlight unit, adn went to the local Landrover place, which also dealt with Rover adn hence Uniprat. After teh traditional 1/2 hour wait while all teh staff wandered around pretending to be busy, the bloke at teh counter tells me that teh LR unit is exactly the same part as teh Uniprat bit for a Mini - you just pay 3 times teh price to get it wrapped up in a Landrover box. Guess what I bought. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 2 11:33:01 1994 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 94 09:25:10 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Reply-To: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: halightw@FLASH.LakeheadU.CA, lro@apple.com, lro@team.net Subject: Re: Washing a LR? Status: RO X-Status: In message "Hal A. Lightwood" writes: > > Is it out of the question to try and make my LR a litle cleaner looking? > Or is this against some sort of code? Every LR I have seen seems to look > like it was never washed, painted or cleaned whatsoever. The guy that my > father bought his LR from said he had never washed it, and had never been > washed before to his knowledge. My father never washed it for the 15 > years he had it, and now that he has given it to me, I feel as though I > shouldn't break this tradition. Is this a common? Do Land Rovers every > get washed? > Mine gets washed. Anytime it gets into salty water or beach sand, I take it to a car wash and spray the frame & underside of the car. Whenever the Land Rover is filled with manure, garbage, or livestock, it gets parked facing uphill afterwards. The tail gate gets dropped and the bed hosed out. Just before I go to a British car field meet in the Land Rover, she gets a complete cleaning inside & out. She likes to present herself as best as possible to the British car public. It gives me a chance to get up on the roof and scrape off the moss and lichens growing up there, and to evict the spiders from inside the car. So she normally gets a complete scrubbing down just before the Portland All British Field meet and a quick hose down just before the Palo Alto all British field meet the following Sunday. I don't see the point in keeping a car dirty just for the sake of it being dirty. TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards LINK: TWAKEMAN 408-974-2344 TR3A - TS75519L, MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 2 11:51:03 1994 From: "Mugele, Gerry" To: LRO Subject: Can I join in? Date: Wed, 02 Nov 94 09:44:00 PST Encoding: 8 TEXT Status: RO X-Status: Hey! I'm one of the Land Rover afflicted; owned a total of 3 of the beasts for the last 25 years. Got a new 88 in '69 and sold it to another British Hardware fan in '77...he still has it. Had a 67 88 pickup for a couple years but it was too much of maintenance hog. Bought my current '72 88 in '77....and love it dearly. Gerry Mugele From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 2 12:18:36 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Wed, 02 Nov 1994 13:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Washing a LR? To: halightw@FLASH.LakeheadU.CA, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"halightw@FLASH.LakeheadU.CA" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO X-Status: Hal ponders the age old question.... > Is it out of the question to try and make my LR a litle cleaner looking? - snip - > washed before to his knowledge. My father never washed it for the 15 > years he had it, and now that he has given it to me, I feel as though I > shouldn't break this tradition. Is this a common? Do Land Rovers every > get washed? > Well Hal, the truth of the matter is... We only wash the part that matters... What is underneath the beast! Maybe, occasionally a sprinkling of water on the windscreen.. just so you can see out of the encrusted grime. To paraphrase a saying "A clean Land Rover is the sign of a sick mind!" Now Maloney... no comments on how I apply this philosophy to the critters in my beard!!! Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 2 12:16:17 1994 To: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Cc: lro@team.net Subject: Re: Cheapo 90 chassis In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 01 Nov 1994 19:16:20 -0400." Date: Wed, 02 Nov 1994 09:36:04 -0800 From: Mike Fredette Status: RO X-Status: Andy and others write: //because there is no demand.And Dixon is right,I'm afraid.Given his //conditions,and ours,the modern chassis just dont last as long.There //is some *very* funny steel about.There are already articles on putting //new rear ends on young 90 and 110 models.Not for nothing was the phrase //"British Racing Rust"coined!If there are two things our climate is //famous for its the ability to rust,and the incidence of arthritis. / /A freind of mine who was a Warden for Newborough Desert nature reserve took /his 90 on teh beach regularly as part of his job. The chassis fell in two in /teh middle inside a year!!!!!!!!! Not impressed. / /Having said that, My 90 is 10 years old, gets Waxoyled all over the outside of /teh chassis every year (takes about 15 minutes) adn all over the inside every /5 (no idea how long cos I get it done by someone with e HIGH pressure /injector...). There is NO rust on it other than a few superficial flakes - /even on teh outriggers. If you see some, you just spray a bit on from a plant /sprayer carried round for the purpose, adn bingo - no further problem. My questions are these. First, is there anyone across the pond who KNOWS for a fact, that the steel currently used in Land Rover frames is inferior to that used in the older Series vehicles. And in what way is it inferior, ie what exactly is it that makes it supposedly rust faster than the older stuff. It's still the same gauge, ie just as thick, and with the wax injection now used, "should" I say SHOULD last even longer than the old rigs. At this point, all I've heard is just rumour and heresay that the British steel is not what it used to be. Perhaps someone has a connection with a bloke at one of the steel mills who could tell us that, "yes we have changed the alloy of the steel to an inferior grade that will rust faster but what the hell, it costs us less to make." OK, next question. Did the friend who regularly drove his Defender on the beach ever take the time to clean it afterwards. I would venture to say that no vehicle, old Land Rover, or new, can stand constant exposure to that kind of environment without some corrosion problems. And if no preventive measures were taken, washing to remove the salt, oiling to prevent further corrosion, then of course his frame would rust through. No rocket science required. Last question is regarding the Defender suspension. In the US, in order to evade an import tarrif on import SUV's, Land Rover I HEARD had put heavier rear springs on the D90 to raise the gross vehicle weight above the cutoff margin of 6000 pounds. I asked a few folks at the dealer and Rover's North and they tentatively confirmed this saying this was the reason for the stiffness and slight loss of articulation, and that the anti-sway bar had a negligable effect. Ie; removing it would not improve the articulation much. I was told that if I put on some "standard" rear coils, presto, a nice supple suspension would be mine. Well, I ordered a set of "standard" springs, and started in, removing the left rear first. You can see where this is going right? It was the same as the "standard" one I had standing by to replace it with. And the funny thing is, Rover's North has a set of "heavy duty" coils listed below these "standard" models. So, are the "standard" rear coils in the UK and elsewhere of a lighter spring rate than those used in the US? If so, what is the proper Land Rover part number to look for. The ones listed here are NRC9448 and NRC9449 for "standard", NRC9462 and NRC9463 for "heavy duty". The reason for all this blabbering is that on some trails, I'm lifting an axle where I previously did not in my Series lll. Comments please. Rgds Mike Fredette 94 Defender 90 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 2 12:00:23 1994 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 94 09:47:35 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Reply-To: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: halightw@FLASH.LakeheadU.CA, lro@apple.com, lro@team.net Subject: Re: Clutch/Gear Problem Status: RO X-Status: In message "Hal A. Lightwood" writes: > > I have a problem with my Clutch and/or gearbox. I cannot put it in > reverse unless I first put it in 3rd or 4th first. If I don't do this > it will make a terrible grind before it grudgingly slips in. This is also > starting to happen occasionally when I put it in 2nd. I don't use first, > due to the fact there is a tooth missing (or two). Could this occur due to > the clutch plate being worn down? Or possibly the slave fluid leaking? It > does leak and I have to keep it topped up all the time. > > Also, does anybody have a spare SeriesIII gearbox or misc gears for one? I > need to replace that gear with the broken tooth. > > Hal A. Lightwood > > Your clutch is not completely releasing. Most likely cause is air in your clutch hydrolic system. Its a bear to bleed unless you do a power bleed. Air normally gets into the system because the fluid is leaking past the seal in your slave cylinder. You might consider this an oppertunity to look over the system and check out the mechanicals as well. The rod needs to be properly adjusted, as well as the pedal part up top. The lower mechanical linkage pins can wear & holes can elongate. The lower mechanical clutch linkage on my LR was so badly worn than it took up almost 1-1/2 inches of pedal travel. If yours are badly worn, parts are cheapish & will restore that area to new. There is a collar with a pin at each end that transmits the rotation to the clutch plate. If one of those pins is starting to shear, it would add a lot of slop. Generally a good pressure plate and hydrolics can make up for badly worn mechanicals. But badly work mechanicals will make weak hydrolics noticable very quickly. I would look at the slave cylinder for any signs of leakage before bleeding. If you see it, pick up a new Gurling unit or have the old one resleaved. They never seem to be long term reliable after rebuilding. Be careful not to over tighten the threaded connections. The cylinder will strip easily & use new copper seals. gravity bleeding never seems to get all the air out of the system. TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards LINK: TWAKEMAN 408-974-2344 TR3A - TS75519L, MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 2 13:01:49 1994 From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: November LRO To: lro@stratus.com Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 13:52:43 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 175 Status: RO X-Status: Amazing, an LRO the month before the cover date. Got the November LRO on Monday. A first! Now to see what is contained in this issue that will be of interest. Rgds, From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 2 13:16:48 1994 To: lro@team.net From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Cheapo 90 chassis Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 19:13:06 UNDEFINED Status: RO X-Status: >OK, next question. Did the friend who regularly drove his Defender on the beach >ever >take the time to clean it afterwards. I would venture to say that no vehicle, >old Land >Rover, or new, can stand constant exposure to that kind of environment without >some >corrosion problems. And if no preventive measures were taken, washing to remove >the salt, >oiling to prevent further corrosion, then of course his frame would rust >through. No rocket >science required. No, course not. It was a company vehicle...... But even so, that's a lot quicker Hara-kiri than you would expect from a Landrover in those conditions. Lots of Series 3s have been abused much worse for much longer (e.g. coastguard vehicles). +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 2 15:43:27 1994 From: /G=Hui/S=Ben/OU2=IL02M/OU=ILBH/P=MOT/A=MOT/C=US/@email.mot.com Date: 2 Nov 94 15:36:54 -0600 To: land-rover-owner@stratus.com Subject: HEADLINES "ROVER PLUNGES OVER CLIFF" Status: RO X-Status: Over the weekend a group of youths were up in the whisler area(north of vancouver b.c., canada) having fun in snow on one of the thousands of logging roads in b.c. nothing really particular with the exception that they were driving a lwb landrover. as the story goes they were turning around on this single lane logging road and the driver accidentally went over the cliff!!!. 100meters straight down, 300 feet. 5 people in the truck flipping all over. when they landed in the bushes below one girl walked away with only scratches, the driver had a broken leg and arm. and well the other three didnt make it. call it a miracle that anyone survived, maybe its because of the rover?? i really wonder how well they may of faired if they were in jeep. From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 2 16:42:22 1994 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:35:03 +1100 From: lloyd@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au (Lloyd Allison) To: lro@team.net Subject: new subscriber, let's see if this works Status: RO X-Status: speedo's - I had one seize many years ago at 80K miles. the little shaft carrying the finger that pokes the numbers round seized and the drive cable twisted itself to pieces. It was relatively easy to dismantle, clean, lubricate and reassemble. synthetic oil - I have heard (so this is at least 3rd hand) that once using synthetic oil, you should not revert to non-synthetic oil. I have also read that the Army Perentie 110's use Castrol FMX in the transfer case (original RR transfer case with some mod's). lastly, I am looking for images of Land-Rovers for a world wide web page, esp' series 2 and 2A, and anything "special" or rare such as Fwd Control, light-weight, conversions, ... I have a scanner but please don't send photographs without discussing it via email first! From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 2 17:53:50 1994 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:50:19 -0500 (EST) From: Gregory Brown To: caloccia@sw.stratus.com Cc: Land Rover Messages to Digest Subject: RR Clutch Master Cylinder Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: Bill, one of two things maybe wrong. Either you still have air in the system, hydraulic clutches are a pain in the a.. (is this digest sensored?), or your seal to the reservoir is bad. I am not familiar with the design of the RR clutch master but the series master has an end seal that keeps fluid from going back into the reservoir. In the RR case, if it is designed like a brake master cylinder, the seal crosses a port that leads to the reservoir and thus seals off the reservoir so pressure can build. In this design a second seal is used to keep reservoir fluid from leaking out by the pushrod. Anyway try bleeding the unit again, if it still creeps in to engagment rebuild of replace. Greg Brown 71 Series IIA 88 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 2 18:48:36 1994 From: Russell Burns Subject: Re: November LRO To: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 94 16:43:01 PST Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9411021852.AA06135@emr1.emr.ca>; from "Dixon Kenner" at Nov 2, 94 1:52 pm Status: RO X-Status: I think they ship two months issues at the same time. Any thing to make a buck. Russ > > > Amazing, an LRO the month before the cover date. Got the November > LRO on Monday. A first! Now to see what is contained in this issue > that will be of interest. > > Rgds, > > From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 07:44:44 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Thu, 03 Nov 1994 01:45:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Clutch/Gear Problem To: halightw@FLASH.LakeheadU.CA, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"halightw@FLASH.LakeheadU.CA" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO X-Status: Hal writes... > I have a problem with my Clutch and/or gearbox. I cannot put it in > reverse unless I first put it in 3rd or 4th first. If I don't do this > it will make a terrible grind before it grudgingly slips in. This is also > starting to happen occasionally when I put it in 2nd. I don't use first, > due to the fact there is a tooth missing (or two). Could this occur due to > the clutch plate being worn down? Or possibly the slave fluid leaking? It > does leak and I have to keep it topped up all the time. > OK.. You say you do have a leak in the hydraulics.. So chances are very good that you are not getting enough travel out of your slave cylinder to disengage the clutch - and grind-grind-grind you go. At the very least, you need to rebuild the master and/or the slave cylinder. For a bit more money (and a better chance of long-term success) go for a new master & slave. Order them from someplace in England. Even with air shipment, they will be cheaper than buying just a slave cylinder from somewhere in the US. A word of caution.. Use Castrol brake fluid ONLY!! Everyone has horror stories about using the wrong kind of fluid and screwing up the seals. Adjustments.. With a Ser III the only adjustments you have are on the master cylinder. The important one is for the pushrod clearance. With the clutch pedal all the way up you should have about 1/16" clearance between the pushrod and the cylinder piston. There are two nuts on the pushrod, one on either side of the top end of the clutch pedal. If you pull off the master to rebuild or replace it, you'll be removing one of the nuts. Take note of it's relative position and start from there for the adjustment when you re-assemble it all. Oh yeah, the adjustment allows a secondary valve in the cylinder to close properly - otherwise you would never be able to pump fluid properly. Worn parts - I think TeriAnne covered that well enough although I believe she was referring to a IIa and not a III. The principals the same, either way. When you pull your tranny to replace it or rebuild it take a good look at the throwout lever and it's pivot points. I've heard the pushrod from the slave can wear down (shorten) but I don't know how long it's supposed to be. > Also, does anybody have a spare SeriesIII gearbox or misc gears for one? I > need to replace that gear with the broken tooth. A couple of days ago, someone posted a message and said they had a Ser III tranny for sale - $175 I think. But, of course I deleted the message so I can't tell you who. Anyone know?? Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 3 02:23:58 1994 Via: uk.ac.edinburgh.castle; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 08:21:52 +0000 From: Mr Ian Stuart Organization: Vet-lab,The Univ of Edinburgh To: lro@team.net Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 08:21:14 +0000 Subject: *December* LRW Priority: normal Status: RO X-Status: Wow! December LRW was waiting for me when I got home! This is 3 days before it hits the shelves here in the UK. ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 31 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. WWW sites: Work -- Play -- #======================================================================# I'm not a computing nerd, I'm a computing geek. |Land Rover owners do Geeks are much higher up the evolutionary chain. | it in the mud. From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 2 17:22:41 1994 From: "Jurgen Klus" Organization: Flinders University of S.Aust. To: LRO@TEAM.NET Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 09:42:06 GMT-0930 Subject: EFI Snorkels Priority: normal Status: RO X-Status: Introducing an air intake, or snorkel, to an EFI RR or Discovery is not a real problem, but it needs to be tackled with some thought as to how the system works. The EFI electronics is expecting an air intake system of a specific length. Now, it doesn't measure it itself, does it? What the system is interested in is the apparent length of the intake, that is, its apparent wavelength. Therefore, the snorkel, as opposed to a bit of exhaust pipe cut and bent to fit, must achieve the same wavelength as the electronics is expecting. Any deviation from that will result in the electronics throwing up. TJM in Austalia has a snorkel for the Discovery 3.5 ltr V8i engine. I assume that a retailer or manufacturer where you live sells them to. Of course, if you have a diesel, it doesn't give a damn what length anything is, just so long as it gets plenty of air. (Reminds me of some women I know, oops, I shouldn't have said that, sorry!) That's my thoughts, anyway. Jurgen Klus Tel 618 201 2413 Fax 618 201 3877 When the going gets tough..the tough get Land Rover! From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 3 08:54:26 1994 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 14:47:34 GMT From: kjartan@ejs.is (Kjartan) To: land-rover-owner@stratus.com Subject: Foers Ibex Status: RO X-Status: There was a discussion a couple of days ago regarding the Foers IBEX and I just remembered what a hardtop IBEX looks like and want one, at least at the moment B^). Does anyone have information on: prices for the 110 in.four door hardtop, implications of using Range Rover parts, whats included like electrics, darhboard, seats etc. . fax number at Foers. etc... Thanks. Kjartan Bergsson Iceland (85' RR, 2door, auto, 33x12.5x15 tires.) kjartan@ejs.is From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 3 09:10:40 1994 From: Russell Burns Subject: New Defender 90 To: lro@stratus.com Date: Thu, 3 Nov 94 7:02:55 PST Status: RO X-Status: Well I have a new commuter vehicle. It is going to take a some work to get the noise level down to usable levels. I have already raised the seat 1.5" for more leg room, and even my wife who is only 5' thinks this is a great improvment. To reduce the noise I am hoping the following will help. 1: Hardtop. If LRNA can ever deliver it. 2: Less aggresive tires maybe AT instead of the BF Goodrich MT that are installed. 3: Sound deading materials on the bed, and doors. About 90 frames. Does any one know what this factory wax junk injected into the frame feels like. The inside of both the RR, and the 90 frames feel like bare metal to me... And onto transmissions.. Since this was a demo model it came with the older transmission, the LT77s(?), and not the RS380(?). after brousing through the owners manual I noticed the Transmission fluid was ATF fluid. Is this the proper fluid for older LT77s(?) transmissions? Also in the manual it states "after washing the vehicle, inspect the paint for damage" ( I told you washing ruins the paint). Well hopefuly with a hardtop, and a little work I will be able to survive my 100 mile a day commute.. Russ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 3 09:10:55 1994 From: Russell Burns Subject: large tires To: kjartan@ejs.is (Kjartan) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 94 7:06:14 PST Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <199411031447.OAA01614@soho.ejs.is>; from "Kjartan" at Nov 3, 94 2:47 pm Status: RO X-Status: Kjartan, How do those 33x12.5x15 tires work? Did You have to make any modifications to your RR for clearance? Russ 91 RR 94 90 > > There was a discussion a couple of days ago regarding the Foers IBEX and I just remembered what a hardtop IBEX looks like and want one, at least at > the moment B^). > Does anyone have information on: > prices for the 110 in.four door hardtop, > implications of using Range Rover parts, > whats included like electrics, darhboard, seats etc. . > fax number at Foers. > etc... > > Thanks. > Kjartan Bergsson > Iceland > (85' RR, 2door, auto, 33x12.5x15 tires.) > kjartan@ejs.is > From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 3 09:58:52 1994 From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: Flames for Ian Stuart & assorted BS To: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 94 15:54:32 GMT Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: ; from "maloney" at Nov 3, 94 10:59 am Status: RO X-Status: Okay,Maloney(sigh) let's begin....A,B,C........You,know,its called the ALPHABET.And all the little shapes are a *sound*.Now,"O" is for "Owner",and "W" is for "World".Go on,say it after me....Next lesson will be on the subject of proer joined-up writing..:-) So Ian got his Dec Land Rover WORLD.There is absolutely zilch chance of anyone getting the Land Rover Owner early.No way. Just to make your day,though,I got Land Rover World early too.From my newsagent.Delivered.Which was *really* surprising,because I hadnt ordered it.Are they trying to tell me something?I usually go round and buy it off the shelf.Looks like a bit of creative marketing to me. Worth having though,the best issue so far.Lots of Series Ones,article on the Brockhouse trailer,*another* new Editor that makes three so far,and an example of fast track promotion inasmuch as the staff writer taken on about five months ago is now Assistant Editor.So,William my boy, there's hope for you yet.Let the muse take hold(I should have a bath first) burst into purple prose,take the odd piccy,shove it in the post,and bingo, LRW's North American Asst Ed!The New World's answer to Pete Wilford. Or Marge Proops(look it up).Who's doing what to Who in the back of What. Brings a whole new dimension to approach and departure angles! Cheers Mike Rooth (Well,you cant be allowed a monopoly on Pampas Grass Fertiliser) From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 3 09:11:58 1994 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 1994 10:59:14 -0500 From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) Phone: 201-564-2073 Subject: Flames for Ian Stuart & assorted BS To: LRO@stratus.com Cc: denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU Content-Type: Text Status: RO X-Status: Ian writes: >> ...bla bla bla bla I just go my December LRO bla bla bla... >> You really are annoying. :-) I just got my October issue last Friday :-(. I called Craddocks just after I got it to order that really cool Land Rover watch with the white face and they were all sold out. The fellow on the phone said they have no plans to produce any others (could this have anything with LR getting their panties in a bunch about other vendors using the LR name/logo?). Boy, it sure has been quiet lately. Waterbag, beer, babe, flames, or even "Disco, Defender, RR S#!+" messages would be welcome. Did anyone learn the name of that x-rated movie where the driver runs his Rover into a cliff and, as those British workshop manuals so quaintly put re waterpump replacement, "offers himself up" to his female passengers? Normally I would NEVER buy a disgusting piece of trash as this, but in this case I could make an exception (Was it in english? Subtitles?). While we're at it, does anyone know the issue of Playboy where the center "spread" was shot in the back of a soft top 88? I'd like to see if I could locate a back issue for my, er, Land Rover Library. A "whole lotta nothin" from Baloney Wayne, NJ USA maloney@wings.attmail.com From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 3 10:11:58 1994 From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: New Defender 90 To: burns@cisco.com (Russell Burns) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 94 16:05:58 GMT Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <199411031502.HAA29304@lint.cisco.com>; from "Russell Burns" at Nov 3, 94 7:02 am Status: RO X-Status: Russ, How did this factory wax thing start?I've never seen any reference to it outside this list.I'm not saying they *dont* do it,but I've never seen anywhere state they *do* either.Over here,its the first thing a caring owner does,bung the chassis full of Waxoyl,and give it a good going over outside,too,but I dodnt realise it was a factory process.Just curious Mike Rooth From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 3 10:22:01 1994 To: lro@team.net From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Washing a LR? Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:15:49 UNDEFINED Status: RO X-Status: /Is it out of the question to try and make my LR a litle cleaner looking? /Or is this against some sort of code? Every LR I have seen seems to look /like it was never washed, painted or cleaned whatsoever. The guy that my /father bought his LR from said he had never washed it, and had never been /washed before to his knowledge. My father never washed it for the 15 /years he had it, and now that he has given it to me, I feel as though I /shouldn't break this tradition. Is this a common? Do Land Rovers every /get washed? ON NO ACCOUNT WASH A LANDROVER!!!!!!!! They use a special detergent-soluble aluminium. The only way to make em last is to build up a protective layer of mud. Do not flout teh wisdom of generations. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 3 10:22:05 1994 To: lro@team.net From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Washing a LR? Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:18:57 UNDEFINED Status: RO X-Status: / Clean the frame thoroughly after every mud run. Use a / pressure washer on the frame if you have one. Leaving mud and dirt Be very careful where you aim pressure washers. They can blast water past seals into places it really shouldnt be........... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 3 10:31:39 1994 To: lro@team.net From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Washing lorries Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:24:46 UNDEFINED Status: RO X-Status: I suppose I should put teh flamethrower away for a few moments. I pressure wash mine ONCE A YEAR ONLY (in Autumn - before the salt season) to minimise possible damage to bearings due to water blast past seals. I do this on a dry day, so that nothing is kicked up from the road on teh way home. It is then parked till COMPLETLEY dry and then Waxoyled. It is then left untouched till next Autumn - except that whenever I am doing anything to the lorry - even checking the tyres, if I see any rust, I give it a squirt from a little plant sprayer filled with Waxoyl diluted with deisel to spray smoothly. Works for me. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 3 10:33:32 1994 To: lro@team.net From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Washing lorries again (sorry) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:31:07 UNDEFINED Status: RO X-Status: /possible to the British car public. It gives me a chance to get up on the /roof and scrape off the moss and lichens growing up there, and to evict the /spiders from inside the car. So she normally gets a complete scrubbing down I cant beleive you said that!!!! Scraping teh roof of lichens? WHre's your environmental awareness? Mine has a good garden going. The helps teh CO2 balance of teh atmosphere, adn aslo helps it blend with teh background better than teh base white when I'm bivouacing somewhere I shouldnt. The spiders are part of a balanced ecosystem. I love my spiders. I dont have problems with mosquitos when I'm sleeping in it. /I don't see the point in keeping a car dirty just for the sake of it being /dirty. No, you misunderstand, it should be dirty for the sake of laziness. Any time you get goes on teh mechanicals. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 3 10:40:16 1994 To: lro@team.net From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: HEADLINES "ROVER PLUNGES OVER CLIFF" Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:37:44 UNDEFINED Status: RO X-Status: /100meters straight down, 300 feet. 5 people in the truck flipping all over. /whenthey landed in the bushes below one girl walked away with only scratches, /the driver had a broken leg and arm. and well the other three didnt make it. /call ita miracle that anyone survived, maybe its because of the rover?? i How much use are roll cages? I've seen an number of hartop SWBs on their roofs. They seem to sit there with their little wheels in teh air, looking all crestfallen till someone takes pity and pushes them back over.......... Always been in soft mud tho (we have a lot of that here.....) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 3 11:09:49 1994 From: Mike Rooth Subject: Fuel Thoughts To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Thu, 3 Nov 94 17:04:17 GMT Status: RO X-Status: The recent thread on fuel prices worldwide prompted the following. A couple of weeks ago,on the weekly trog out to the supermarket, my wife (ever on the lookout for a bargain)pointed out that we had just passed(yeah,well,we all have 'em)a filling station with diesel at 47.9p per litre.So the next week I got filled up there. Its ELF fuel,French firm I think,and was adverised as reduced odour (SMELL,Maloney,means it dont pong),reduced emissions,more MPG etc. Well,the diesel smokes a littl;e less when hot,more when cold,seems to be a bit more economical,and the fuel certainly doesnt smell much at all.But.But.Its started spark throwing.Imagine a LNWR G7 0-8-0 doing thirty MPH with 500 tons trailing,transatlantic try a NYC Mowhawk with four times the load,uphill and you've got the picture. Much though I love the steam locomotive,I'm not sure I want the Land Rover to do a passable imitation of a badly drafted example. I think what is happening is that the fuel is decoking the bloody thing out of the exhaust pipe.Since I'm a firm beleiver in leaving a quarter inch of carbon round the piston periphery when decoking, to keep the seal,I dont think I'll continue with this brand,cheap or not.I dont think science has yet come forth with an additive that *will* leave me this carbon ring.And further,if a valve shuts(or trys to) on one of these lumps of carbon,that's my engine gone. Hasa anyone else had any odd experiences with modern so called hi-tech fuels? Cheers Mike Rooth From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 3 11:17:32 1994 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 11:04:51 -0600 To: lro@transfer.stratus.com From: hiner@mail.utexas.edu (Greg Hiner) Subject: Grade 8 hardware? Try Cat! Status: RO X-Status: I saw this note on the Brit list and I thought it might be of interest. Greg >From: TVRVixen@aol.com >Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 10:59:17 -0500 >Sender: TVRVixen@aol.com >To: british-cars@autox.team.net, M.I.N.I@supernet.ab.ca >Subject: Grade 8 hardware? Try Cat! > >Someone on the Brit-cars list stated that Grade 8 hardware quality is not >very consistant. > >>manufactured to a much higher standard than SAE grade 8 bolts. >>One can never be too sure about any SAE bolts >>(the standards are good, but adherance to them is poor). > >If you are interested, a great source of high quality nut, bolts and lock >washers at reasonable prices is you local Caterpillar dealer. They have a >catalog which list the sizes, threads, grip length, etc. and they should have >them all in stock. The lock washers are really great. Cat uses a minimum >Grade 8 bolt for everything, including holding on license plates. > >I also really like their "Liquid Gasket Material". It is a redish brown >color. Try a can while you are there. > >Maybe I am biased, or just experienced? I worked as a mechanic for a Cat >dealer for 7 years. > >Don From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 3 14:53:21 1994 Via: uk.ac.edinburgh.castle; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 17:06:34 +0000 From: "Ian Stuart, Faculty" Organization: Vet-lab,The Univ of Edinburgh To: lro@team.net Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 17:06:15 +0000 Subject: "The sheer size and ..... look like toys" Priority: normal Status: RO X-Status: For those of you who get copies of LRW, T.F. Mills' article is published. Starts on page 58/59 and is very good. No picture of his 109, but check out the picture of the "caves" on page 63. An excellent article and some beautifull pictures! (Do you fancy comming over to do some of the SLROC events?) ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 31 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. WWW sites: Work -- http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/ Play -- http://tardis.ed.ac.uk/~ian/ #======================================================================# I'm not a computing nerd, I'm a computing geek. |Land Rover owners do Geeks are much higher up the evolutionary chain. | it in the mud. From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 3 19:43:51 1994 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:39:25 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Reply-To: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: lro@stratus.com Subject: Tip from Scotty Status: RO X-Status: I was chatting with Scotty over the phone yesterday evening and he passed me a tip and asked that I forward it to the group. Back in the days when he ran a Land Rover authorized warrenty repair shop, he recieved a bulliton from Land Rover saying not to park Land Rovers facing down a steep hill. The primary input shaft on the front of the transmission does not have a regular oil seal. It instead has scrolling that activly pushes the oil back into the gear box when the Land Rover is tilted downward enough that the transmission oil level reaches the input shaft. This works well when the Land Rover is moving but does not work when the car is parked. Transmission oil will flow down along the shaft and go onto the clutch disk. Left facing a steep downhill long enough, the clutch can start slipping. The heat of the clutch will dry the oil and create a glaze that causes clutch jidder. He mentioned that a few clutch disks were replaced on warrentee because people parked regularly facing down hill on some of the San Francisco hills. I believe he said that the problem occures when the slope gets to be about 25 or 30 degrees. so a slight downhill slope is OK. If you park on a steep slope always aim the nose of your Land Rover uphill. TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards LINK: TWAKEMAN 408-974-2344 TR3A - TS75519L, MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 3 11:57:48 1994 From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: Fuel Thoughts To: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 94 12:47:14 EST Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: <9411031704.AA03169@hpc.lut.ac.uk>; from "Mike Rooth" at Nov 3, 94 5:04 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.36.1.1] Status: RO X-Status: Mike Rooth asks: > Hasa anyone else had any odd experiences with modern so called > hi-tech fuels? I've seen them beat the piss outa the seals on a two stroke....and if you recall, dem's neccessary, else you suck air and tranny oil into the combustion chamber, thence sieze up good. My two stroke is more or less parked these days (it's in "appreciation mode") but a bro of mine runs a dozen or so (all on the road) on a regular basis (even in winter-and you thought *you* had a cold ride). He goes north for gasoline, just outa the "NY-metro area", where pollution control isn't a fad yet, to buy the good-'ol (but unleaded) stuff that just ain't available down here no more. rd/nige/'79 RD400F (the bro owns a fleet of late sixties/early seventies yamaha twins) From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 3 12:14:13 1994 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 94 11:04:47 MST From: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL ) To: lro@stratus.com Subject: Engine not running! Status: RO X-Status: Well here is the story. My new engine won't run. This is the situation. Electrically things are fine, the plugs spark the points are set and open and close, the timing mark is correct with the 1 and 2 valves closed, fuel to the carb and the starter cranking. Yes the distributer drive dog is pointing at the no. 1 cylinder at TDC. When I try to start it, it for all the world sounds like it is trying to fire back through the carb. That would indicate that the time chain and cam are off. That has been checked several times. When I go to TDC the 1 and 2 valves are closed the distributer rotor is pointing dead at no. 1. What have I done wrong? There must be something! Help, help, please?? Roy - Rovers in the Rockies - Not under power yet, Damm! From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 3 12:15:53 1994 To: Mike Rooth Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: New Defender 90 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 03 Nov 1994 16:05:58 GMT." <9411031605.AA20580@hpc.lut.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 1994 10:10:05 -0800 From: Mike Fredette Status: RO X-Status: Mike Rooth asks, Russ, How did this factory wax thing start?I've never seen any reference to it outside this list.I'm not saying they *dont* do it,but I've never seen anywhere state they *do* either.Over here,its the first thing a caring owner does,bung the chassis full of Waxoyl,and give it a good going over outside,too,but I dodnt realise it was a factory process.Just curious Well I've got a video from 1990 put out by Land Rover North America that details how to sell a Range Rover to a prospective sucker and in the video they have several shots of the factory. One of these shows and describes how the factory injects a hot paraffin wax solution into the frames for corrosion protection. So it's been going on at least since 1989 when the video was made, how long before that, if at all, is open to speculation. RGDS Mike Fredette 90 Range Rover 94 Defender prospective sucker From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 03:05:03 1994 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 94 10:28:15 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Reply-To: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: azw@aber.ac.uk, lro@team.net Subject: Re: Washing lorries again (sorry) Status: RO X-Status: Andy, You build a solid case for maintaining the ecosystem...BUT I don't see any pride in going around looking as dirty and as unkept as you can. I let my 109 go as long as I do between washings because her paint is so bad that you would hardly notice, and there is no pavement where I live. If you let the dirt build up, your clothes would get dirty just coming in contact with the car. I like to be able to climb in & out without having to change clothes thank you. I am actually near to doing another unspeakable thang to my beloved 109..paint her. After my TR3 gets her new paint it will be the Land Rover's turn. I'm thinking of a nice bronze green with limestone top and wheels. Once she gets painted, she will recieve more regular washings and ....GASP waxings!! I don't use my car like Dixon and the other people who want to see if their car will survive drowning and being bashed against obsticals. Some times I have felt that I do not fit into this group because I am not constantly trying to find ways to see if I can break my Land Rover. My Land Rover has served faithfully as my farm lorrie for 14 years. Carying feed, livestock, manure, helping to string fence and other chores. She is now a semi-retired pensioner. She gets used to carry the dog about, and on Land Rover camping/photography trips. I try not to abuse her because I can't afford to have her broken at 14 thousand feet in the White montain country, or in the desert, or on a lonely strech of the coast. I want her to be able to bring me home. I take less chances with her because she worked hard for me over the years and I don't want to hurt her. She enjoys wading and climbing over hills, but we do it carefully. I don't see anything wrong with not wanting my Land Rover to look like a slob. She has shown up to a number of meets over the years being the car with the worst paint there. AT least she was clean. Hopefully a year from now she will be clean and have nice paint. My seat covers may be mostly duct tape over split nagrahyde, but at least I keep it reasonably clean. I guess I'm paying her back for all the work she has done for me over the years. I'm going to get around to installing a rear petrol tank and reinstalling the winch on the new bumper as thanks for getting me home from Portland with a broken layshaft and a nonfunctional chain tensioner caused by someone pouring dirt down her oil filler tube. There has been a number of threads about Land Rovers as a possible "Babe" magnet. Sorry guys, I don't know any women who would want to come into contact with a really dirty Land ROver unless she is dessed for the occasion and in a mood to get dirty. Just one woman's view, TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards LINK: TWAKEMAN 408-974-2344 TR3A - TS75519L, MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 3 12:15:19 1994 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 1994 13:30:19 -0500 From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) Phone: 201-564-2073 Subject: Flames For Ian & Other BS To: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk, LRO@stratus.com, denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU Content-Type: Text Status: RO X-Status: Mike writes: >> Okay,Maloney(sigh) let's begin....A,B,C........You,know,its called the ALPHABET.And all the little shapes are a *sound*.Now,"O" is for "Owner",and "W" is for "World".Go on,say it after me....Next lesson will be on the subject of proer joined-up writing..:-) >> Mike, Thanks for the clarification. I feel much better now. Ben Smith and I had a conversation about you before he left for CA. We have a question. In all of the British shows we see on Public Television here, when the Brits go out in the yard or whatever, they are always wearing a jacket and tie (and usually a vest or sweater underneath). Even the farmers. It doesn't matter whether they are plowing fields, shovelling poop, or catching bull semen (Yup, I caught that episode of All Creatures. Very, Very funny). So our question is, do YOU put on your best duds to putter in the barnyard, deliver newborn cattle, or better yet, for changing the canister oil filter on your IIA? Inquiring netters want to know. Bill maloney@wings.attmail.com From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 3 12:45:37 1994 To: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL ) Cc: lro@stratus.com, mfredett@ichips.intel.com Subject: Re: Engine not running! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 03 Nov 1994 11:04:47 MST." <9411031804.AA04228@mtnoca.helena_noc> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 1994 10:30:55 -0800 From: Mike Fredette Status: RO X-Status: roy Check first that your plug wires are routed to the proper cylinders. It sounds like they are not. Rgds Mike Fredette From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 3 12:54:14 1994 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 13:48:45 -0500 (EST) From: Steven M Denis Subject: Re: Flames for Ian Stuart & assorted BS To: maloney Cc: LRO@stratus.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: Umm Bill? *I* happen to have a pristine copy of that ummmm "periodical" with the 88 soft top...(looks quite firm,actually..... 8-} ) I'll start the bidding at ummmmm a copy of Oct 90 Lro...the one with the picture of NOTAJEEP in it......Deal? (sorry Jan, sorry Jan, sorry TeriAnne....but it *is* a ummm "interresting use of a land rover.....) steve.......... "HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..." "NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon Steven M. Denis " "-1957 107 Station Wagon PO Box 61 " "-1964 109 Pickup Erieville,New York USA " "_1967 109 NADA SW 13061 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 3 13:03:13 1994 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 1994 14:36:39 -0500 From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) Phone: 201-564-2073 Subject: Mike "Sparky" Rooth To: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk, LRO@stratus.com, denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU Content-Type: Text Status: RO X-Status: Sparky gets food for his oilburner: >> Its ELF fuel,French firm I think,and was adverised as reduced odour (SMELL,Maloney,means it dont pong) >> HMMM... pong... sorry Mike, it wasn't in the American Heritage Dictionary and I don't speak or read English. No comprendo. Unless you meant "amore" instead of "odour", in which case "pong" could mean something entirely different. >> Well,the diesel smokes a littl;e less when hot,more when cold,seems to be a bit more economical,and the fuel certainly doesnt smell much at all.But.But.Its started spark throwing.Imagine a LNWR G7 0-8-0 doing thirty MPH with 500 tons trailing,transatlantic try a NYC Mowhawk with four times the load,uphill and you've got the picture. Much though I love the steam locomotive,I'm not sure I want the Land Rover to do a passable imitation of a badly drafted example. >> Oh, Oh, I think we've got a railhead here. Mike, folks pay good money on this side of the pond to make their vehicles spark. They put special hi-carbon skid plates underneath, lower the suspension, and shower loads of sparks going down the street. You got all the benefits without having to invest in any of the suspension mods. Seriously, it sounds like you may have major carbon build up in your combustion chambers and a little ELF in your tank might do your lump some good (must be quite a sight at night). Bored in Short Hills Bill maloney@wings.attmail.com From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 3 13:45:53 1994 From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: New LRs waxed? To: mfredett@ichips.intel.com (Mike Fredette) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 94 14:38:08 EST Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: <9411031810.AA31919@pdx242.intel.com>; from "Mike Fredette" at Nov 03, 94 10:10 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.36.1.1] Status: RO X-Status: Mike Fredette writes: > > Mike Rooth asks, > > Russ, > How did this factory wax thing start?I've never seen any reference > to it outside this list.I'm not saying they *dont* do it,but I've > never seen anywhere state they *do* either.Over here,its the first > thing a caring owner does,bung the chassis full of Waxoyl,and give > it a good going over outside,too,but I dodnt realise it was a factory > process.Just curious > > > Well I've got a video from 1990 put out by Land Rover North > America that details how to sell a Range Rover to a prospective sucker > and in the video they have several shots of the factory. One of these > shows and describes how the factory injects a hot paraffin wax solution > into the frames for corrosion protection. So it's been going on at least > since 1989 when the video was made, how long before that, if at all, is > open to speculation. My friend's 110 (#5 of the 500) appeared to only have cosmoline on the frame when it arrived, although we never did peek within it. rd/nigel From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 3 13:54:54 1994 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 14:45:21 -0500 (EST) From: Jan Hilborn To: Steven M Denis Cc: maloney , LRO@stratus.com Subject: Re: Flames for Ian Stuart & assorted BS In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 3 Nov 1994, Steven M Denis wrote: > > Umm Bill? *I* happen to have a pristine copy of that ummmm "periodical" > with the 88 soft top...(looks quite firm,actually..... 8-} ) > I'll start the bidding at ummmmm a copy of Oct 90 Lro...the one with the > picture of NOTAJEEP in it......Deal? > > (sorry Jan, sorry Jan, sorry TeriAnne....but it *is* a ummm "interresting > use of a land rover.....) don't apologize to me... I was editing the Rovers North newsletter when that particular ummm "periodical" got sent in for Land Rover sightings. And, no, i don't still have it (although it may still be around Rovers North) so don't start writing me silly poems to try and weasle it outa me. jan From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 3 13:35:37 1994 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 1994 15:15:39 -0500 From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) Phone: 201-564-2073 Subject: Re: Engine Not Running To: LRO@stratus.com Content-Type: Text Status: RO X-Status: Roy, First check the firing order - 1-3-4-2 counterclockwise. Next try switching your wires, to make it 180 degrees out from what it is now. I realize you have done the proper timing checks but the firing through the carb sounds exactly like it being out 180. Give it a try, just for kicks. Bill maloney@wings.attmail.com From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 3 18:34:47 1994 From: mtalbot@interserv.com Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:30:01 -0800 To: LRO@team.net Status: RO X-Status: All, Has anyone tackled the task of replacing the roof side window channels. Mine have so much #$%@ growing in then, its impossible to open the windows even a crack. I tried to remove one side and after bending and grinding out the old channels, destorying the retaining Alum side trim. I got the windows out alomg with the bottom retainer. Now to put them back, I know where to get the replacment channels, what about the aluminum lip that holds the lower retaining tray ???? Anyone offer any help. Rgds Mark From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 3 23:29:35 1994 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 21:28:08 -0800 (PST) From: Morgan Hannaford To: mtalbot@interserv.com Cc: LRO@team.net Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <199411040030.AA00265@interserv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: Yup, I messed with that about 3 months ago. I was tired of people saying I had a "chia-rover", regarding all the Bryophytes sprouting out of the channels. You got a bit pain in the rear on your hands. I had to redrill all the window channels to match the old screw holes. I too had to originally just tear out/break the old channels, the screws were either too corroded or I just couldn't find then in the microcosm of the channel. I'm sure you can dig up a derelict truck for the needed part or send Rovers North a small fortune and they'll find you one. Good luck, Morgan H. On Thu, 3 Nov 1994 mtalbot@interserv.com wrote: > All, > > Has anyone tackled the task of replacing the roof side window channels. Mine > have so much #$%@ growing in then, its impossible to open the windows even a > crack. I tried to remove one side and after bending and grinding out the old > channels, destorying the retaining Alum side trim. I got the windows out alomg > with the bottom retainer. > > Now to put them back, I know where to get the replacment channels, what about > the aluminum lip that holds the lower retaining tray ???? Anyone offer any > help. > > Rgds Mark > > From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 01:25:43 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Fri, 04 Nov 1994 02:21:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Flames for Ian Stuart & assorted BS To: maloney@wings.attmail.com, lro@team.net, denis@oswego.edu X-Vms-To: INTERNET"maloney@wings.attmail.com" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" INTERNET"denis@oswego.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO X-Status: Bill is bored... > While we're at it, does anyone know the issue of Playboy where the center > "spread" was shot in the back of a soft top 88? I'd like to see if I could > locate a back issue for my, er, Land Rover Library. > Bill... I believe that Steve Denis had that issue.. (Gasp! Not Steve!) or maybe it was just the centerfold... Cheers Mike From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 02:25:52 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Fri, 04 Nov 1994 02:21:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Engine not running! To: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO X-Status: Roy... I'll cast vote #3 for your plug wires reversed. You probably have #1 in the right place but you've got the rotation reversed. I did that on the Triumph about 20 years ago... Sat up all night trying to figure out why the bugger only ran on 2 cylinders... :) Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 02:15:45 1994 Via: uk.ac.edinburgh.castle; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 08:13:31 +0000 From: Mr Ian Stuart Organization: Vet-lab,The Univ of Edinburgh To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 08:12:57 +0000 Subject: Re: Sad man Ian Priority: normal Status: RO X-Status: > So Ian got his Dec Land Rover WORLD.There is absolutely zilch chance > of anyone getting the Land Rover Owner early.No way. I've subscribed to both, I'll let you know when LRO arrives. (I know, I'm a sad man with no real intrests in life -- all I seem to think about are LandRovers, Computers, Goblins (RPG, not vacuum cleaners), my Hi-Fi and my wife. Please have pity on me :-) ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 31 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. WWW sites: Work -- Play -- #======================================================================# I'm not a computing nerd, I'm a computing geek. |Land Rover owners do Geeks are much higher up the evolutionary chain. | it in the mud. From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 03:18:33 1994 To: lro@team.net From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Washing lorries again (sorry) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:17:11 UNDEFINED Status: RO X-Status: Terriann says:- >I am actually near to doing another unspeakable thang to my beloved 109..paint >her. After my TR3 gets her new paint it will be the Land Rover's turn. I'm >thinking of a nice bronze green with limestone top and wheels. Once she gets >painted, she will recieve more regular washings and ....GASP waxings!! You cruel adn heartless woman! How could you do such a thing to a Landrover that has served you so selflessly? I cant bear to read this. >My seat covers may be mostly duct tape over split narahyde, but at least I No wonder Naugas are extinct. I didnt see a single one when I was out your way a few years back. >There has been a number of threads about Land Rovers as a possible "Babe" >magnet. Sorry guys, I don't know any women who would want to come into contact >with a really dirty Land ROver unless she is dessed for the occasion and in a >mood to get dirty. I dont know any that want to come into contact with a cleean one :( Or maybe it's me, women have such strange tastes........... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 05:55:50 1994 From: Robert Meredith Subject: painting landrovers To: land-rover-owner@team.net Date: Fri, 4 Nov 94 11:53:32 GMT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85.2.1] Status: RO X-Status: Folks, Terri Anne mentioned repainting her landrover and I'm interested in doing this myself at some time in the next year. This is because it is presently green and I'm hoping to travel in it to some countries where I gather green landrovers might possibly be considered as being something military. So I'm thinking about repainting it white. Any ideas on the best way to do this so as not to replace a reasonable paint job with a crap one??!!! I look forward to your ideas, Cheers, Rob Meredith. From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 07:56:14 1994 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 08:51:19 -0500 (EST) From: Steven M Denis Subject: Re: Flames for Ian Stuart & assorted BS To: ROY CALDWELL Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9411032031.AA04402@mtnoca.helena_noc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1093 Status: RO X-Status: Actually,Roy,Bill M. must have 6 or 8 copies....those are the ones left over from when he wall papered his room...("Would you like to come up and see my etchings?.." Ok I'll check and see if I can find it...I may just have the photo in question and not the mag.It's ot l k ge a subscription... I *think* it was May of 1988....real sure it was may somthing...... I first saw this "artwork" at the ABP rally...A large group of guys were *carefully* examining the photo....several of the Rover widows came to peer over their sholders......they were really disgusted....the guys were ignoring the "neck-ed" lady and were checking out the ropes on the canvas roof....."So *that's* how they do that!" ...The ladies response? "You guys are really *SICK*!" steve...... "HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..." "NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon Steven M. Denis " "-1957 107 Station Wagon PO Box 61 " "-1964 109 Pickup Erieville,New York USA " "_1967 109 NADA SW 13061 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 08:20:19 1994 From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: painting landrovers To: robm@hpman010.uksr.hp.com (Robert Meredith) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 94 14:08:43 GMT Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9411041153.AA00470@hpman010.uksr.hp.com>; from "Robert Meredith" at Nov 4, 94 11:53 am Status: RO X-Status: Rob, If you dont want to spend a fortune,I've found its eminently possible to repaint a Land Rover with the common or garden paintbrush.When I did mine,I used ICI Autogloss synthethic. It would be untrue to say that the finish was as good as a good spray merchant could get(At a good spray merchant's price)but the finish is very acceptable,the paint is wonderfully glossy,and you get *much* more on the vehicle than you would spraying.Also,the brushes wash out in White Spirit.Masking is rudimentary(Door handles,indicator and side lights)and the rad grille and headlamp surrunds should be removed.But you *do* need a warm,dry day,without wind,or suitable similar conditions indoors. The danger comes from the female side who tend to use the argument"If you've got time to paint the Land Rover what about the bathroom/kitchen/perm any one out of five,that's needed painting for one/two/n years". TeriAnn, So your seats are tired?Recover 'em.All you need is some suitable vinyl,a sewing machine needle suitable for leather, and a staple gun to fasten the covers on to the seat bases,which are harder than Tank Armour and into which you just *cannot* drive a nail.Well,not mine,you couldnt.If I can do it,I'm sure you can. See OVLR for details:-) Cheers Mike Rooth From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 08:36:12 1994 From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: Re: Washing lorries again (sorry) To: twakeman@apple.com Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:32:16 -0500 (EST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9411031828.AA29040@apple.com> from "TeriAnn Wakeman" at Nov 3, 94 10:28:15 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2316 Status: RO X-Status: > I am actually near to doing another unspeakable thang to my beloved 109..paint > her. After my TR3 gets her new paint it will be the Land Rover's turn. I'm > thinking of a nice bronze green with limestone top and wheels. Once she gets > painted, she will recieve more regular washings and ....GASP waxings!! I don't know about the waxings, unless it is the frame, but the earth pig is going to undergo the brush treatment. Two cans of bronze green paint await it when everything else is all finished mechanically in the restoration (though not to factory spec. This one has a modified front end to hold both a Koenig and a log splitter, the log splitter mounted like a giant ram off the front) > I don't use my car like Dixon and the other people who want to see if their car > will survive drowning and being bashed against obsticals. Some times I have > felt that I do not fit into this group because I am not constantly trying to > find ways to see if I can break my Land Rover. Only one of them. When the 88 is all finished it will probably become the designated forest runner. The 109 will undergo some tlc and may even begin to resemble Bill's 109 as it slowly turns into the long range travelling vehicle that I would like to make out of it. > I don't see anything wrong with not wanting my Land Rover to look like a slob. > She has shown up to a number of meets over the years being the car with the > worst paint there. AT least she was clean. Hopefully a year from now she will > be clean and have nice paint. We may disagree slightly over the outward appearance, but the underside is always kept very clean. After you have been pricing frames for a while, you quickly see the advantages to keeping the one you have in good shape. > There has been a number of threads about Land Rovers as a possible "Babe" > magnet. Sorry guys, I don't know any women who would want to come into > contact with a really dirty Land ROver unless she is dessed for the > occasion and in a mood to get dirty. Oh! Oh! Another illusion going down the tubes! Dale, get out the rake. Time to empty the Rover of all the tamarac needles and maple leaves, other wise you may be heading for a repeat of that other adventure you have with a previous friend. Rgds, From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 08:59:32 1994 Date: Fri, 04 Nov 1994 09:35:35 EST From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE) To: land-rover-owner@team.net Subject: To wash or not to wash Status: RO X-Status: Got October's LRO on Saturday and got November's on Monday, the 31st! Anazing. WRT the wash question, I actually *waxed* my Rover - once (prior to a British car show). Then I made the mistake of following Diesel Bob on a mad dash up I-95. His modern, automatic chasis lubricator (actually an aging 2.25 diesel) spewed enough oil to coat my Rover and the following three vehicles! While oil spots on the rear door are nothing new, it is unusual to have them on the front bumper! BTW, Bob is now back at work (UPS delivery driver). He has been out of work seven months; when you're 45 and break a leg in four places, it takes a while to heal. *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----* | | | Sandy Grice, Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com FAX: 804-622-7056 | | Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days) 804-423-4898 (Evenings) | | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA | *------------------------------------------------------* From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 08:50:40 1994 From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: Re: Fuel Thoughts To: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:46:47 -0500 (EST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9411031704.AA03169@hpc.lut.ac.uk> from "Mike Rooth" at Nov 3, 94 05:04:17 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1797 Status: RO X-Status: > The recent thread on fuel prices worldwide prompted the following. > Its ELF fuel,French firm I think,and was adverised as reduced odour > (SMELL,Maloney,means it dont pong),reduced emissions,more MPG etc. You have to be careful with Bill Mike. You never know how those New Jersey types may have begun the slow destruction of the English language as we know it... :-) Of course, I always expected that French fuel would have a different smell to it. Probably dumping their perfume lake into it. > Hasa anyone else had any odd experiences with modern so called > hi-tech fuels? The Federal government over here has decided that tha lead replacement additive MMT is not very healthy for us. Thus the Deputy Prime Minister has asked the oil companies to consider removing it (adding if they didn't they would pass a regulation to the same affect). Those of us without hardened seats (The Series I's had harder seats for the rotten pool petrol you had over there) in teh IIA's et cetera may begin to have a problem in the long term if this nonesense goes through (of course, there are a lot of other additives in Canadian gasoline that the American EPA doesn't like for some reason. Rgds, Dixon PS. Not healthy you ask? It seems that not healthy applies to our wallets. The Automakers are behind this, claiming that MMT ruins their sensors for their computerised plastic pieces modern art that they wish to foist upon us, and causes higher than normal warrantee repairs. They have told the government that if MMT is not removed, they will increase the price of the average car by CDN$3,000 to cover the damage they claim MMT causes. The oil industry is not impressed with this as you could imagine. From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 08:59:11 1994 From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: Re: Washing a LR? To: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:50:31 -0500 (EST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: from "Andy Woodward" at Nov 3, 94 04:18:57 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 600 Status: RO X-Status: > > / Clean the frame thoroughly after every mud run. Use a > / pressure washer on the frame if you have one. Leaving mud and dirt > > Be very careful where you aim pressure washers. They can blast water past > seals into places it really shouldnt be........... The only vulnerable seals I can think of are inside the drums. The frame is the part that needs to be cleaned the most. The rest is almost secondary, unless it is post mud run and the drums are packed with the finest potting soil, quickly mixing with powdered brake shoe as they happily meet and mix. Rgds, From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 09:27:42 1994 X-Authentication-Warning: tornadic.sw.stratus.com: Host localhost.stratus.com didn't use HELO protocol To: lro@team.net X-Copyright-1994: William Caloccia, All Rights Reserved. Subject: wanted Range Rover bits (in UK) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 94 10:20:10 -0500 From: William Caloccia Status: RO X-Status: If you know of or run across the following let me know, (1) high back front seats (2) section of the rear aluminium floor (I've got a corroded strip across the center, so I need something like 8 to 12" to over lap that and rivit it together) - It doesn't need to be one piece the width of the floor, but I need to cover the width of the floor. Those are the priorities, of course, if I heard of a used bull-bar or other trimmings, I probably would be interested... [Nothing too pricy I don't want to spend more for what is _on_ the vehicle than I did _for_ the vehicle ! (I was sternly warned to watch my pennies by the Yorkshire lads when I bought it.)] -B From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 09:35:42 1994 From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: Washing lorries again (sorry) To: twakeman@apple.com ("TeriAnn Wakeman" ) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 94 10:30:03 EST Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: <9411031828.AA29040@apple.com>; from "TeriAnn Wakeman" at Nov 3, 94 10:28 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.36.1.1] Status: RO X-Status: TeriAnn writes: > Andy, > > You build a solid case for maintaining the ecosystem...BUT > > I don't see any pride in going around looking as dirty and as unkept as you can. > I let my 109 go as long as I do between washings because her paint is so bad > that you would hardly notice, and there is no pavement where I live. If you let > the dirt build up, your clothes would get dirty just coming in contact with the > car. I like to be able to climb in & out without having to change clothes thank > you. > > I am actually near to doing another unspeakable thang to my beloved 109..paint > her. snip etc. Are you sure it wasn't you that placed that personal ad in NZ?? And, is there any way we can get Nigel to meet with your lassie of a 109? She sure sounds like someone he'd like to meet. > There has been a number of threads about Land Rovers as a possible "Babe" > magnet. Sorry guys, I don't know any women who would want to come into contact > with a really dirty Land ROver unless she is dessed for the occasion and in a > mood to get dirty. I do. C'mon, even Brooke Shields was attracted to Nigel (or maybe it was his driver.....naw). (She was wearing spiffy duds at the time, and yes, she did not want to climb in.) On the flip side of this coin........is your 109 a "Hunk" magnet?? If not, then maybe you just keep it too clean! cheers, rd/nigel (he's getting waxoyled this weekend, but it rained last week so his upside-out is clean.) From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 11:02:20 1994 To: lro From: John Hong/C/HQ/3Com Date: 4 Nov 94 8:58:55 EDT Subject: Sure he has one, but pristine - NO WAY! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Status: RO X-Status: Steven M Denis Writes: >Umm Bill? *I* happen to have a pristine copy of that ummmm "periodical" >with the 88 soft top...(looks quite firm,actually..... 8-} ) assorted disclaimers/apologies snipped. >steve.......... Mr Denis, I do not question your ownership of the aforementioned periodical. I do find it very very difficult to believe that its condition could in anyway be described as pristine. Having properly buttered you up, would you at some point be willing to post/send me the date of issue so I might pop down to the local "research library" and browse for myself. On a more useful note, I've ordered a handful of items from British Pacific and been pretty happy with their service and prices. (800-554-4133 orders, 818 8418945 other, 818 841 3825 fax) I am in the market for a quarter cab and they're doing a good job looking for one for me. It is starting to get a little cold in the bay area - people are starting to stare at me cruising around roofless - especially early morning and at night. Well, this weekend's maintenance duties included new brakes all around, lubrication check, rear hub seal leak fix, and maybe a new seat base for the driver's seat, check out an errant fuel gauge sender and maybe a clutch bleed. This past week's postings on the subject were very helpful. john From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 10:44:13 1994 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 08:38:20 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU, lro@team.net Subject: Re: New Explorers aka 110-o-rama Status: RO X-Status: > >Last night (Sunday) on channel 9, 9p.m.(PST) the New Explorers show >that netters had been raving about was on. Following the adventures >of a University of Chicago Palaeontologist from London to Niger in >a convoy of about 5-6 110 diesel Land-Rovers; 1 station wagon and >the rest standards. Pretty cool show, about 1 hour long and there >is desert rovering-a-plenty. I got it on video if anyone missed it. > >Morgan Hannaford >Berkeley, CA >'69 88" IIA Can you uuencode it and post it to the list? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 10:44:41 1994 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 08:38:45 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: lro@stratus.com Subject: LRO Arrives Status: RO X-Status: My October LRO finally got here on Tuesday, 1 *Nov*. I wonder if the November issue will make it here this year... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 11:02:57 1994 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 94 08:50:36 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Reply-To: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk, robm@hpman010.uksr.hp.com, Robert@apple.com, Meredith@apple.com, lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: painting landrovers Status: RO X-Status: In message <9411041408.AA26363@hpc.lut.ac.uk> Mike Rooth writes: > TeriAnn, > So your seats are tired?Recover 'em.All you need is some > suitable vinyl,a sewing machine needle suitable for leather, > and a staple gun to fasten the covers on to the seat bases,which > are harder than Tank Armour and into which you just *cannot* drive > a nail.Well,not mine,you couldnt.If I can do it,I'm sure you can. > See OVLR for details:-) > Cheers > Mike Rooth > Mike I have considered that, along withredoing the inside door panels. However I have not yet found a source for the proper "rhino hyde" gray upholstry. Ive seen some done in gray pebbled nagrahyde but it doesn't look right. I have tried several companys that specialize in vintage cars, including British but have come up empty. I'm trying not to go to the later black but I may not have a choice. Got and sources of original gray material? TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards LINK: TWAKEMAN 408-974-2344 TR3A - TS75519L, MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 11:25:38 1994 From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: Re: Women Who Like to Get Dirty To: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 12:19:42 -0500 (EST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: from "maloney" at Nov 4, 94 12:46:57 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 790 Status: RO X-Status: > There are occasions when a woman in a mood to do something dirty can be a > rather attractive proposition. > > TerriAnn, where can we find such women??? Steve and Mike L. and Jon and Ben > S. and I want to know! (As for Dixon, Russel, and Sandy, their lives are > over. As for Mike Rooth, he's, well, er, English). Over eh... Like, who was the babe that has answered the phone a couple of times that I have rung you down there in LR-less land eh? Methinks Russell and I will have to attend to this affront at some unspecified time in the future. As for Mike, he shall be sending over perfumed fuel for your land rover collection so you too will smell like a poofter... Hurumph, dirty LR's should attract dirty women and that in itself sounds like a great idea... :-) From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 11:01:32 1994 Date: Fri, 04 Nov 1994 12:46:57 -0500 From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) Phone: 201-564-2073 Subject: Women Who Like to Get Dirty To: twakeman@apple.com, LRO@stratus.com, denis!oswego.Oswego.EDU@internet!.needs.domain Content-Type: Text Status: RO X-Status: TerriAnn Writes: > There has been a number of threads about Land Rovers as a possible "Babe" > magnet. Sorry guys, I don't know any women who would want to come into > contact with a really dirty Land ROver unless she is dessed for the > occasion... Hmmmm... what kind of attire do these women usually don? > ...and in a mood to get dirty. There are occasions when a woman in a mood to do something dirty can be a rather attractive proposition. TerriAnn, where can we find such women??? Steve and Mike L. and Jon and Ben S. and I want to know! (As for Dixon, Russel, and Sandy, their lives are over. As for Mike Rooth, he's, well, er, English). More baloney from Maloney maloney@wings.attmail.com From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 13:17:13 1994 From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: Re: Women WhoLike to Get Dirty To: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 14:07:09 -0500 (EST) Cc: lro@stratus.com, denis@oswego.oswego.edu In-Reply-To: from "maloney" at Nov 4, 94 02:20:08 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1350 Status: RO X-Status: > Careful Dixon, them's fightin' words. Sparky may ship his oil burner across > the pond, back it up to your abode, stomp on the accelerator, and huff and > puff and burn your house down! :-D (wouldn't THAT be a sight) Burn my little abode down and you would 1) be tried by the list for crimes against Land Rovers when the Series 1 engines, diffs, and gearbox goes up in flames, and 2) tried for burning toxic waste when the afore mentioned parts, plus the pile of IIA bits, gearboxes et cetera go up creating a plume you would see in New Jersey. > (Hmmm, Mike... a "poofter"... I'm still trying to picture it... unless you > mean the kind of poofing that went on in the tents outside of the lodge in > Stowe back in Sept. after multiple helpings of Bates' spaghetti. If his diet > consisted of bangers and mash I could picture it quite clearly) No, no, Mike isn't the poofter you wend challenged individual. All Mike will do is send over the French perfumed fuel for your Land Rovers. We seem to sense that you might like to run on the muck. I do recall you showed in Stowe with a very *nicely* painted 109 that was quite out of place at times. Rgds, PS. Fighting words eh... Where did you hide the fuzzy dice when you showed up at Stowe? :-) PPS. How are the dictionary searches coming along... ROFL From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 13:18:30 1994 From: Russell Burns Subject: Re: LRO Arrives To: sinasohn@crl.com (Roger Sinasohn) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 94 11:13:09 PST Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <199411041638.AA26533@crl9.crl.com>; from "Roger Sinasohn" at Nov 4, 94 8:38 am Status: RO X-Status: I got my Oct, and Nov LRO within 3 days of each other.. Does something smell here.... Russ > > My October LRO finally got here on Tuesday, 1 *Nov*. I wonder if the > November issue will make it here this year... > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad > sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." > Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates > San Francisco, California > > From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 13:31:22 1994 Date: Fri, 04 Nov 94 12:18:48 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV To: lro@team.net Subject: Disco chatter... for Moloney Status: RO X-Status: FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB204 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: Disco chatter... for Moloney Hello, Moloney seemed to be needing some company, so even though I'm not fortunate enough to own a "series" yet, he indicated that even "disco" chatter would suffice. Well, here goes another "tidbit" of info... 1995 Prices: (US $) Base: $29350 Auto trn: $1150 Lthr. jump sts: $925 Leather uphol: $1250 Dual A/C: $875 Dual sun roofs: $1650 Added features: Adjustable lumbar support in front seats (Hand crank above the reclining crank). Interior lights illuminate when deactivating the alarm More colors. (I've seen the new blue, more bright blue, not so grey-blue)) Supposedly more "silver" color to wheels (Didn't really notice much diff.) ... Oh dear... I think my mind is going... I can't remember anything more. BTW... I never heard any opinions on "nerf" bars. (Under doors to protect body side moldings. Opinions??? Please??? (Actually I heard one negative response, about changing the brake-over angle.) Also, skid plates. Oh! I DO have a friend that has a '64 (I think) series LR. in PERFECT condition. He COMPLETELY restored it! It looks like it should be in a dealer's showroom, in '64! He doesn't have an internet connection, but I printed a few digests for him, and he LOVED them! Rover-mania! Please respond on the "nerf bar" issue, and skid plates. (Your opinions.) Thanks a LOT!!! Dave Brown - Phoenix AZ (USA) - '94 Disco #=====# Never doubt that a small group of individuals |___|__\___ can change the world... indeed, it's the only | | | | thing that ever has. ""O""""""O"" -Margaret Mead From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 13:34:26 1994 Date: Fri, 04 Nov 94 12:25:32 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV To: lro@team.net Subject: Disco skid plates - needed? Status: RO X-Status: FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB204 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: Disco skid plates - needed? Hello, could someone please tell me if skid plates are recommended for a Disco? I have a '94 and plan to do a LOT of 4WD use, over a LONG period of time. I plan to leave this to my children/grand children when I pass on. I'm only 38 now, but you all KNOW how long LR's last... and who knows, maybe I'll feel like upgrading the beast sometime... like 20-30 years! ;) If anyone knows a source for skid plates, please let me know. Thanks, #=====# Never doubt that a small group of individuals |___|__\___ can change the world... indeed, it's the only | | | | thing that ever has. ""O""""""O"" -Margaret Mead From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 13:41:14 1994 From: Russell Burns Subject: Washing To: lro@stratus.com Date: Fri, 4 Nov 94 11:31:30 PST Status: RO X-Status: Last night my wife made me driver the R-rover to the car wash. While I don`t object to washing the underpinnings. I did object to washing the body, but one has to make concessions to please the mate. So sure enough after washing I inspected the truck paint for damage, and to my dismay I realized that I had washed off all the brown paint, and all that was left was the blue primer. (we do have a standing argument over the color of the truck) Sat. it the big day for the 90. I have a friend comming over and we are going to drive the 90 thru the pond... Russ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 13:50:38 1994 Date: Fri, 04 Nov 94 12:34:23 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV To: lro@team.net Subject: Land Rover names. Status: RO X-Status: FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB204 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: Land Rover names. Has anyone compiled a list of Land Rover names? I've had mine for one month (Tomorrow) and am beginning to want to call her something. Is this a LR thing? Am I losing it? - (What little I have left to lose, that is.) She's a black '94 Disco. with black rino bars, 2 Hella 9 inch round, and 2 Hella small square lights in front. IN SEARCH OF A NAME! Thanks all, for the bandwidth #=====# Never doubt that a small group of individuals |___|__\___ can change the world... indeed, it's the only | | | | thing that ever has. ""O""""""O"" -Margaret Mead From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 13:56:50 1994 Date: Fri, 04 Nov 94 12:52:15 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV To: lro@team.net Subject: Liscence plate "names" Status: RO X-Status: FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB204 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: Liscence plate "names" I'm thinking about getting a custom liscense plate, here are some ideas I've had. (Please let me know if you have, or plan to use any of them.) SAFARI NO JEEP 4WD FUN RX 4 FUN FUN 4WD FUN 4X4 LND RVR ROVER DSCVRY UXL (YOU EXCELL) GO 4 IT SO GR8 WAY 2 GO GR8 WRK GOOD 4 U XLNT THANK U THANKS ATITUD ATTI2D MOTIV8 GR8 4X4 OH JOY 2 COOL BLK BTY (Black Beauty) I am limited to 6 characters. Any more ideas??? Please? Thanks - Dave Brown - '94 Disco - Phoenix Arizona USA #=====# Never doubt that a small group of individuals |___|__\___ can change the world... indeed, it's the only | | | | thing that ever has. ""O""""""O"" -Margaret Mead From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 14:09:17 1994 Date: Fri, 04 Nov 1994 14:20:08 -0500 From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) Phone: 201-564-2073 Subject: Re: Women WhoLike to Get Dirty To: LRO@stratus.com, dkenner@emr.ca, denis@oswego.oswego.edu Content-Type: Text Status: RO X-Status: Dixon Scribe: > As for Mike, > he shall be sending over perfumed fuel for your land rover > collection so you too will smell like a poofter... Careful Dixon, them's fightin' words. Sparky may ship his oil burner across the pond, back it up to your abode, stomp on the accelerator, and huff and puff and burn your house down! :-D (wouldn't THAT be a sight) Another slice from baloney maloney@wings.attmail.com (Hmmm, Mike... a "poofter"... I'm still trying to picture it... unless you mean the kind of poofing that went on in the tents outside of the lodge in Stowe back in Sept. after multiple helpings of Bates' spaghetti. If his diet consisted of bangers and mash I could picture it quite clearly) From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 16:00:45 1994 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 94 14:52:29 MST From: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL ) To: lro@team.net Subject: 95 NLRR Status: RO X-Status: Anybody heard where the 95 National Rove rally will be? Probably won't have mine running until then. Thought I should plan ahead. Roy - Rovers in the Rockies - You mean it shouldn't fire through the carb? From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 16:18:27 1994 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 10:19:18 -0800 To: lro@team.net From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell) Subject: Re: painting landrovers Status: RO X-Status: >Terri Anne mentioned repainting her landrover and I'm interested in doing >this myself at some time in the next year. This is because it is presently >green and I'm hoping to travel in it to some countries where I gather green >landrovers might possibly be considered as being something military. So I'm >thinking about repainting it white. Any ideas on the best way to do this so >as not to replace a reasonable paint job with a crap one??!!! When I did my frame-yp, I redid the paint. At tisk of alienating myself from the brush-crowd, I'll describe some of my method (note: I had never painted a vehicle before, but had some advice from a friend who did bodybwork). 1. I took apart all the body panels... so as to get paint in all the nooks and crannies. So, for example, I unbolted the 3 parts of the wings, etc. 2. I sanded most everything down to bare metal. 3. spent several days taping-off things like galvanised trim (in the few places I had not disassembled stuff) 3. After cleaning with some chemical (and wiping down with a tack cloth), I primed everything 4. I then painted everything (I think I sanded all the primed surfaces again... with a very fine paper, and went over it with the tackstrip again) with a spray gun (which I had borrowed), using some standard PPG car paint (I had chosen a Volvo blue-green color I liked... This was too early for me to know I should have picked a BMW colour ;) I also suppose I'll have to stay out of " countries where I gather green landrovers might possibly be considered as being something military." Oops 5. Saw the paint bubble in a few places where I had not gone down to bare metal (some reaction with the one of the layers of the old paint). 6 went back to step 1 on the messed up pieces and really went down to bare metal this time. 5. Gave is a second coat note: I left the original limestone top paint. Also, my doortops were actually new, so I didn't have to sand/strip them. I also covered the undersides of every body piece with undercoating (one of the more plsaticky ones.. as opposed to the tar ones). Then did that again, then again (I went through a lot on undercoat). This was both for protection on the metal/underside, and also for (probably pointlessly) sound insulation. After doing the paint job, the rover looked nice (even I thought it was a bit too nice!) In the frst week, I got 3 actual unsolicited offers to buy it (one guy offered US$8K on the spot). YMMV. -jory From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 16:18:23 1994 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 10:19:40 -0800 To: lro@team.net From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell) Subject: Re: Women Who Like to Get Dirty Status: RO X-Status: >TerriAnn Writes: > >> There has been a number of threads about Land Rovers as a possible "Babe" >> magnet. Sorry guys, I don't know any women who would want to come into >> contact with a really dirty Land ROver unless she is dessed for the >> occasion... > >Hmmmm... what kind of attire do these women usually don? Excerpted from a recent discussion in which I was engaged on in a different forum [the topic was mostly butch vs. femme, gender constructions, etc] ===(was it butch of me to remove the exhaust manifold from my car's engine? or ===did I spoil the effect by doing it in high heels and stockings?) > >> ...and in a mood to get dirty. > >There are occasions when a woman in a mood to do something dirty can be a >rather attractive proposition. > >Maloney Writes: > >TerriAnn, where can we find such women??? Steve and Mike L. and Jon and Ben >S. and I want to know! (As for Dixon, Russel, and Sandy, their lives are >over. As for Mike Rooth, he's, well, er, English). I'd say that a lot of the sexism (and I mean this in the nicest way ;) displayed in some of the posts I've seen here is exactly the type of lug-headed behaviour which would repulse a woman who had managed to overcome the limited gender/sex constructions of our societies [and who might be the kind of woman to appreciate a rover... whether dressed in high heels/stockings or a mechanic's coveralls.] Again, YMMV -jory From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 16:20:06 1994 To: lro From: John Hong/C/HQ/3Com Date: 4 Nov 94 9:29:39 EDT Subject: Sure he has one, but pristine - NO WAY! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Status: RO X-Status: Steven M Denis Writes: >Umm Bill? *I* happen to have a pristine copy of that ummmm "periodical" >with the 88 soft top...(looks quite firm,actually..... 8-} ) assorted disclaimers/apologies snipped. >steve.......... Mr Denis, I do not question your ownership of the aforementioned periodical. I do find it very very difficult to believe that its condition could in anyway be described as pristine. Having properly buttered you up, would you at some point be willing to post/send me the date of issue so I might pop down to the local "research library" and browse for myself. On a more useful note, I've ordered a handful of items from British Pacific and been pretty happy with their service and prices. (800-554-4133 orders, 818 8418945 other, 818 841 3825 fax) I am in the market for a quarter cab and they're doing a good job looking for one for me. It is starting to get a little cold in the bay area - people are starting to stare at me cruising around roofless - especially early morning and at night. Well, this weekend's maintenance duties included new brakes all around, lubrication check, rear hub seal leak fix, and maybe a new seat base for the driver's seat, check out an errant fuel gauge sender and maybe a clutch bleed. This past week's postings on the subject were very helpful. john From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 16:19:44 1994 From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: painting the pig?? To: lro@team.net Date: Fri, 4 Nov 94 10:45:39 EST Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.36.1.1] Status: RO X-Status: Dixon admits: > I don't know about the waxings, unless it is the frame, but the > earth pig is going to undergo the brush treatment. Two cans of > bronze green paint await it when everything else is all finished > mechanically in the restoration (though not to factory spec. This MY GOD! The guy goes off and gets hooked on a woman, and the next thing you know he's *painting* "that little earth pig thing". What HAS gotten into you, Dixon??? Will you be buying a 90 next??? ugh, another one bites the dust, rd/nigel From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 16:16:59 1994 Via: uk.ac.edinburgh.castle; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 16:08:51 +0000 From: Mr Ian Stuart Organization: Vet-lab,The Univ of Edinburgh To: lro@team.net Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 16:08:06 +0000 Subject: SLROC event Priority: normal Status: RO X-Status: I guess this is of primary interest to the UK folk (unless anyones planning a holiday soon) On Sunday 13th (weekend after next), the SLROC is having an RTV trial just outside Edinburgh. If anyone is interested, contact Alex Lindsay on 0506 854827 (10am to 6pm GMT, Mon-Sat) You don't need to take part, just come and meet some more loonies :-) ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 31 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. WWW sites: Work -- Play -- #======================================================================# I'm not a computing nerd, I'm a computing geek. |Land Rover owners do Geeks are much higher up the evolutionary chain. | it in the mud. From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 16:20:03 1994 From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: Re: painting the pig?? To: dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com (Russell G. Dushin) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 12:11:17 -0500 (EST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <199411041543.KAA16497@transfer.stratus.com> from "Russell G. Dushin" at Nov 4, 94 10:45:39 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1011 Status: RO X-Status: > MY GOD! The guy goes off and gets hooked on a woman, and the next thing > you know he's *painting* "that little earth pig thing". I don't know about the United States, but up here if our friendly constable sees a five colour Land Rover, the quick trip to an immediate road-side safety check follows. The paint job is just to keep unnecessary hassles away. Besides, how long can it last when it hits the woods. > What HAS gotten into you, Dixon??? Nothing this time... :-) > Will you be buying a 90 next??? In about five to ten years when the price comes waaay down. Of course, I only want the bottom bits, frame, drive train, sprinsg et cetera to play with... :-) > ugh, another one bites the dust, Bite your tongue. Not a chance. Keep up such lies and Gretchen, the rotting BMW will be next years candidate for the SAAB pull, that is if you don't chicken out and leave poor neglected Nige at home. I may be beginning to think that you are an unfit parent to Nige... Rgds, From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 16:19:46 1994 Date: Fri, 04 Nov 1994 13:45:41 -0500 From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) Phone: 201-564-2073 Subject: Women Who Like to Get Dirty To: twakeman@apple.com, LRO@stratus.com, denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU Content-Type: Text Status: RO X-Status: TerriAnn Writes: > There has been a number of threads about Land Rovers as a possible "Babe" > magnet. Sorry guys, I don't know any women who would want to come into > contact with a really dirty Land ROver unless she is dessed for the > occasion... Hmmmm... what kind of attire do these women usually don? > ...and in a mood to get dirty. There are occasions when a woman in a mood to do something dirty can be a rather attractive proposition. TerriAnn, where can we find such women??? Steve and Mike L. and Jon and Ben S. and I want to know! (As for Dixon, Russel, and Sandy, their lives are over. As for Mike Rooth, he's, well, er, English). More baloney from Maloney maloney@wings.attmail.com From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 16:14:04 1994 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:28:46 -0500 (EST) From: Jon Humphrey To: lro@team.net, jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell) Subject: Re: Women Who Like to Get Dirty Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: Status: RO X-Status: Jory writes back at Bill: >> Bill sez: >>TerriAnn, where can we find such women??? Steve and Mike L. and Jon and Ben >>S. and I want to know! (As for Dixon, Russel, and Sandy, their lives are >>over. As for Mike Rooth, he's, well, er, English). > Jory sez: >I'd say that a lot of the sexism (and I mean this in the nicest way ;) >displayed in some of the posts I've seen here is exactly the type of >lug-headed behaviour which would repulse a woman who had managed to >overcome the limited gender/sex constructions of our societies [and who >might be the kind of woman to appreciate a rover... whether dressed in >high heels/stockings or a mechanic's coveralls.] Oh yea? Well Jory here in western Pa. The ladies that wear heels/stockings are of a single mind set. That being MONEY The ladies that wear mechanics coveralls or baggy sweaters are of a single mind set. That being MONEY. Since our scruffy unstreamlined square boxes with wheels on the sides AND on the hood and looking all the world like something pre nineties, this don't immediately bring to mind MONEY. SO if your look or demeanor is not "Favio" as you decend from your noble steed, you ain't gonna get instant rover appreciation. You better talk pretty fast and clever as she runs down the street towards the nearest camero, or singles bar where the real men hang out. I think Bill was asking for all of us in a last ditch wild fantasy if such a perfect "woman who likes to get dirty" actualy exists. Hell he's not sexist. Hell I'm not sexist-- And I hope when the "woman who likes to get dirty" of my dreams comes along, she is of the heels/stocking persuasion. letching in the foothills of western pa. Jon From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 16:48:29 1994 From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: Disco skid plates - needed? To: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Date: Fri, 4 Nov 94 17:37:52 EST Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: <199411041926.OAA00950@transfer.stratus.com>; from "DEBROWN@SRP.GOV" at Nov 04, 94 12:25 (noon) Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.36.1.1] Status: RO X-Status: David Brown asks: > Hello, could someone please tell me if skid plates are recommended for a > Disco? I have a '94 and plan to do a LOT of 4WD use, over a LONG period > of time. I plan to leave this to my children/grand children when I pass > on. I'm only 38 now, but you all KNOW how long LR's last... and who knows, > maybe I'll feel like upgrading the beast sometime... like 20-30 years! ;) > > If anyone knows a source for skid plates, please let me know. This may sound like (and be) a naieve question, but will a 90 skid plate fit a disco? Someone I know who has a 90 got a skidplate (ala D90 official accessories) but it wasn't sufficient (it didn't cover the diff) so he had another fabricated. Looks pretty nice, actually. rd/nigel From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 18:26:51 1994 From: "T.F. Mills" Subject: Re: 95 US national rally To: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com (ROY CALDWELL) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 17:23:29 -0700 (MST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9411042152.AA05759@mtnoca.helena_noc> from "ROY CALDWELL" at Nov 4, 94 02:52:29 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 891 Status: RO X-Status: Roy writes (and others have wanted to know): < Anybody heard where the 95 National Rove rally < will be? Probably won't have mine running until < then. Thought I should plan ahead. Rumor has it that it will be around Breckinridge, Colorado. If the past patterns are any indication, it will be mid-August. If the above rumor is correct, the organizer is Peter (how-embarrassing-I-forget-his-last-name--a-right-coast-Englishman- whose-Vermont-son-has-a-110-at-Colorado-College). Solihull Society (Colorado LR club) does not appear to be involved in the planning (yet). I'll keep y'all posted if and when I hear more. Maybe Ray or Russ can help me with Peter's name -- he was at the 94 national rally ('92 also -- maybe Roger remembers). T. F. Mills tomills@du.edu University of Denver Library 2150 E. Evans Ave. Denver CO 80208 USA From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 4 20:33:23 1994 From: JFisk1120@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 21:29:05 -0500 Sender: JFisk1120@aol.com To: LRO@team.net Subject: Land Rover Bride Status: RO X-Status: Speaking of that Playboy centerfold .........having been in the limousine/special occasion business for almost 18 years, our limousines have been photographed numerous times with brides. Our '64 Land Rover is also a part of our fleet....but not once has a bride asked to pose in that manner...much to the disappointment of my husband! And of course you know what I have to say about that..."over my dead body"....I guess I better watch out for a suspicious runaway Land Rover!! Jan Fisk "I brake for mud puddles" Springfield, Missouri From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sat Nov 5 00:07:10 1994 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 22:02:46 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: LRO@stratus.com Subject: Re: Flames for Ian Stuart & assorted BS Status: RO X-Status: Maloney writes: >Did anyone learn the name of that x-rated movie where the driver runs his >Rover into a cliff and, as those British workshop manuals so quaintly put re >waterpump replacement, "offers himself up" to his female passengers? >Normally I would NEVER buy a disgusting piece of trash as this, but in this >case I could make an exception (Was it in english? Subtitles?). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Does it really matter? >While we're at it, does anyone know the issue of Playboy where the center >"spread" was shot in the back of a soft top 88? I'd like to see if I could >locate a back issue for my, er, Land Rover Library. Hey! I gotta get a copy of that! If someone posts what issue it is, I'll see if I can get multiple copies. (I have access to a lot of magazine collectors.) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sat Nov 5 00:33:33 1994 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 22:02:49 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: jhilborn@moose.uvm.edu, denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU Subject: Re: Flames for Ian Stuart & assorted BS Cc: maloney@wings.attmail.com, LRO@stratus.com Status: RO X-Status: What was the date of Playboy, that featured my favourite toy, (Don't call me a churl, I don't mean the girl, But a Rover, my pride and joy.) There once was a man from Nantucket, Whose seats were of the type known as bucket. He drove with a smile, down each country mile, for 'twas in his Rover he'd stuck it. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sat Nov 5 01:29:53 1994 From: "T.F. Mills" Subject: Re: LRO/LRW arrives To: lro@stratus.com Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 00:28:51 -0700 (MST) In-Reply-To: <199411041638.AA26533@crl9.crl.com> from "Roger Sinasohn" at Nov 4, 94 08:38:45 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2123 Status: RO X-Status: Everytime LRO and LRW arrive we like to compare notes on the timeliness. While relative times of arrival around the globe may be an education about postal systems, I don't think much of the discussion is actually as instructive about publisher vagaries as we seem to assume. The LR magazines are not really news magazines; it doesn't matter what month an issue calls itself and when it arrives. Many publishers use the gimmick of publishing far in advance so that the publication sitting on your coffee table, office waiting room, or whatever, looks fresher for a longer time. LRW knows this gimmick; thus the Dec. issue arrives at the beginning of Nov. and looks far more on top of things than LRO which is behind publication schedule. But read the fine print in the Dec. LRW and you see that it is last summer's news, perhaps the same stuff that appears in the Oct. LRO. In the US, subscribers to popular magazines like Time and Playboy will find they receive issues before the cover date. It's just a silly gimmick that inspires confidence. Some times the gimmick goes too far and inspires suspicion. Years ago I was a newspaper librarian handling thousands of titles from around the globe. It took Canadian and Mexican papers days, if not over a week, to make it a few miles over the border into the US, but Soviet daily papers arrived on the cover date -- and occasionally the day before! The old adage that there was no truth (pravda) in the news (izvestiia), and no news in the truth was plain to see. The state-controlled press wrote the news, and then made sure it happened -- or at least nobody could be blamed for thinking that was the case. "The most important service rendered by the press and the magazines is that of educating people to approach printed matter with distrust." -- Samuel Butler "People everywhere confuse what they read in newspapers with news." -- A.J. Liebling T. F. Mills tomills@du.edu University of Denver Library 2150 E. Evans Ave. Denver CO 80208 USA (who gets his Brit stuff 6-8 weeks after the Canucks -- scandalous!) From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sat Nov 5 04:33:51 1994 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 02:29:05 -0800 (PST) From: Fred Heald Sender: Fred Heald Reply-To: Fred Heald Subject: Re: Rovers as a babe magnet To: Land-Rover-Owner@Team.net In-Reply-To: <199411050755.HAA03363@chunnel.uk.stratus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: "TeriAnn Wakeman" warns us: > There has been a number of threads about Land Rovers as a possible "Babe" > magnet. Sorry guys, I don't know any women who would want to come into > contact with a really dirty Land ROver unless she is dessed for the > occasion and in a mood to get dirty. But this is the sort of woman I'm looking for, one who would want to come in contact with a really dirty Land Rover, one who is always in a mood to get dirty. Some of the best times I had with my last girlfriend were in Death Valley, or Mexico, or on some dunes somewhere trying to find the rollover point of her Suzuki Samuri (slowly, treading lightly of course). But then, I'm the sort of person who thinks a woman can look sexier in 90-wt stained overalls than in lingere. Go figure. Fred Heald justfred@netcom.com WWW Home page: ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/justfred/fred.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Beaten paths are for beaten men" - _Unix Shell Programming_ "I don't worry about things. I do things. I get things done." -Donald Trump ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sat Nov 5 04:42:55 1994 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 02:42:31 -0800 (PST) From: Fred Heald Sender: Fred Heald Reply-To: Fred Heald Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest To: Land-Rover-Owner@Team.net In-Reply-To: <199411050755.HAA03363@chunnel.uk.stratus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: "Russell G. Dushin" goes on to say: > On the flip side of this coin........is your 109 a "Hunk" magnet?? If > not, then maybe you just keep it too clean! I heard that once on 'Car Talk' a woman was trying to meet a guy of a certain type (woodsy, hunk type) and wanted their advice and they suggested she look in the paper for guys advertising Land Rovers, and call them up under the guise of wanting to buy the car. They did not go on to suggest: -That they should go ahead and buy the LR. -That anyone selling a Land Rover is a fool (why would you want to get rid of one? -That anyone selling a Land Rover has probably already bought another Rover to replace it. -All the recently mentioned benefits of LRs for the environment (by not washing them we encourage floral diversity). ...and so forth. BTW if anyone is interested I'll be selling two nice Rovers to make room for a new, thrashed one which I now prefer. More on that later. Fred Heald justfred@netcom.com WWW Home page: ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/justfred/fred.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Beaten paths are for beaten men" - _Unix Shell Programming_ "I don't worry about things. I do things. I get things done." -Donald Trump ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sat Nov 5 04:49:16 1994 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 02:48:57 -0800 (PST) From: Fred Heald Subject: Re: Women WhoLike to Get Dirty To: Land-Rover-Owner@Team.net In-Reply-To: <199411050755.HAA03363@chunnel.uk.stratus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: By the way, I was talking to a friend the other day who's gay, and he had a boyfriend over - I was showing pictures of my 109", topless and in all it's flaking paint, dirt-covered, would-have-rusted-away-by-now-if -it-weren't-aluminium glory. His assessment: "It's _so_ butch!" Fred Heald justfred@netcom.com WWW Home page: ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/justfred/fred.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Beaten paths are for beaten men" - _Unix Shell Programming_ "I don't worry about things. I do things. I get things done." -Donald Trump ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sat Nov 5 04:59:33 1994 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 02:59:11 -0800 (PST) From: Fred Heald Subject: Re: Land Rover names To: Land-Rover-Owner@Team.net In-Reply-To: <199411050755.HAA03363@chunnel.uk.stratus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: David Brown, DEBROWN@SRP.GOV wonders: > Has anyone compiled a list of Land Rover names? I've had mine for one > month (Tomorrow) and am beginning to want to call her something. Is this > a LR thing? Am I losing it? - (What little I have left to lose, that > is.) I nominate you to compile the list, but I'll start out with my names: 70 88" soft top "RhinoTf" (Rhino Tough, from the tire ads) 84 Range Rover "Strange Over" (after I rolled it and put in a roll cage, before the engine dropped a piston in the middle of the Utah desert) 67 109" station wagon "!KUNGSAN" (What the bushman of the Kalahari call themselves, roughly 'the people'. The kalahari bushmen are said to be some of the most contented people on earth - they work about 2 hours of the day, and spend the rest of the time singing, dancing, and...well, that bushman wild thing.) Later "Rovergnugen" after I coined the word. 65 109" pickup I never bought, used in a commercial for a Japanese amusement park, green: "GOJIRA" Japanese for 'Godzilla'. 65 109" pickup, as yet unnamed, perhaps "UMKHOMBE" or "IJIJI", both african words for Rhinocerous. Fred Heald justfred@netcom.com WWW Home page: ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/justfred/fred.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Beaten paths are for beaten men" - _Unix Shell Programming_ "I don't worry about things. I do things. I get things done." -Donald Trump ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sat Nov 5 13:15:48 1994 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 11:08:34 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV, lro@team.net Subject: Re: Liscence plate "names" Status: RO X-Status: Someone has been maintaining a list of both names and license plates. My 109 is "INDY 1" (both plate and name) becuase I'm an "Indy" (independant consultant) and because of the indiana Jones sort of look. (Yes, I even have a whip to go with it.) My 88" hasn't got a name yet, but the plates are "SFARI 88". Check with your DMV -- they probably have a list of the plates already taken. (That's why the 88" isn't ON SFARI.) I take it you only get 6 characters in Arizona? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sat Nov 5 13:19:32 1994 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 11:08:36 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: lro@stratus.com Subject: looking for love in all the wrong rovers Status: RO X-Status: There are a fair number of LRO's who are ladies; some of them are even single. Maybe we should start a Land Rover Dating Service? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sat Nov 5 14:11:41 1994 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 11:08:38 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: tomills@du.edu, rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com Subject: Re: 95 US national rally Cc: lro@stratus.com Status: RO X-Status: >I'll keep y'all posted if and when I hear more. Maybe Ray or Russ can >help me with Peter's name -- he was at the 94 national rally ('92 also >-- maybe Roger remembers). > > >T. F. Mills tomills@du.edu >University of Denver Library 2150 E. Evans Ave. Denver CO 80208 USA Roger's lucky if he remembers his own name, let alone someone else's! Heck, I'm lucky I can remember where I live, most of the time. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sat Nov 5 22:11:47 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Sat, 05 Nov 1994 17:16:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: Things to do on a Saturday.... To: lro@team.net, denis@oswego.edu X-Vms-To: INTERNET"lro@team.net" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"denis@oswego.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO X-Status: Well.... Steve said "I bet this winds up on the net before I get home." Yup! Steve is smitten with diesel fever (and other things that I won't mention here) and bought a Rover Diesel engine from Atlantic British. What they didn't tell him was that there was still a 109 frame attached to it. So, he stopped by my house on Friday night with his VW Syncro and a borrowed trailer. Now, I've seen said trailer hauling a Citroen 2CV. It fits very nicely. Let's see, a 109 is the same size as a 2CV, right? YOu're all starting to get the picture.... Saturday morning, bright and early.. (OK, about 9AM) we took off for AB. Upon arrival we found the diesel engine. Also present were the wheels, axels, tranny/transfer case, firewall, front wings and frame.. all held together apparently by the drive shafts. (prop shafts for those across the pond). A couple of come-alongs and a Hi-Lift proved sufficient to coax the beast up onto the trailer, at which time we discovered it didn't quite fit. No kidding! Here it was, the left side wheels on the trailer bed, the right side wheels on the trailer side rails and most of the rear wheels hanging off in space... The local constabulary would have a field day with this!! We did get assistance from Bob (late of Atlantic British, currently building portable rock crushers - really!) who offered the use of his fork lift to get the whole mess properly on the trailer. Lifting the 109 with the forklift proved to be amusing. We still had the come-alongs attached at the front and with the frame so weak in the middle, the Rover just bent up in the middle for a bit (about 18 inches) before the wheels started lifting. Some alternative plans were suggested but after careful consideration we removed the wheels and set the remains down in-between the trailer rails. It fit, with the axels supported by the hubs so we re-positioned the come-alongs to keep it all on the trailer and continued to load up stuff.... Yes.. More stuff. Steve was getting back his old 109 6 cyl firewall and we still had to put the wheels from the diesel somewhere on the trailer. Needless to say, it all looked like a great rolling junkheap behind the VW and to complete the picture we left a trail of rust as we headed out! Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sat Nov 5 20:06:32 1994 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 03:04:24 +0200 (METDST) From: S|ren Vels Christensen Subject: Re: Washing a LR? To: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 3 Nov 1994, Andy Woodward wrote: > > /Is it out of the question to try and make my LR a litle cleaner looking? > /Or is this against some sort of code? Every LR I have seen seems to look > /like it was never washed, painted or cleaned whatsoever. The guy that my > /father bought his LR from said he had never washed it, and had never been > /washed before to his knowledge. My father never washed it for the 15 > /years he had it, and now that he has given it to me, I feel as though I > /shouldn't break this tradition. Is this a common? Do Land Rovers every > /get washed? > > ON NO ACCOUNT WASH A LANDROVER!!!!!!!! > > They use a special detergent-soluble aluminium. The only way to make em last > is to build up a protective layer of mud. > > Do not flout teh wisdom of generations. Also, if you get dents, the paint will flake. If you don't wash it the dirt will protect the metal. If you get deep dents and dive in mud, just take a metal ruler and scrabe the side and let it dry. No more dents. When i bought Lawrence in march, it was dirty. I didn't was it. In fact i also believe in an eco-balanced system. Until recently i used to park besides the house where i have my flat. But that became too expensive (parking gestapo's). I now park on a nearby side road with real trees. Come spring and summer, the trees will drip juice on the roof, which will hopefully nurish the microscopic seeds that are in the air. I can have a regular garden on the roof with green plants, flowers and perhaps a small tree. Problem is though that i have to remove the park bench every time i install the roof rack. Another great advantage is that if an eco-freak comes up from the front to comment the truck, i can alwasy direct his critical eyes to the roof. And if he notices the heavy smoke from behind coming over the roof, i can tell him that it is the morning mist you always see in fertile vegetated areas. If i let things grow on the window channels it will look like the flowerbeds you sometimes see on peoples balconys. I might even win a prize for making the town more beautiful. Wash my truck? NEVER!!! +----------------------------+--------------------------------+ | Soren Vels | 1976 sIII 109" 2.25 petrol | | velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk | "Lawrence of Arabia" | ((|||)) | Royal Danish Air Force | Dansk Land-Rover Klub no. 3564 | ((|||)) | Communications Specialist | DL-RK: Approx. 1000 members. | ((|||)) +----------------------------+--------------------------------+__((|||))______ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sat Nov 5 21:04:24 1994 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 04:01:20 +0200 (METDST) From: S|ren Vels Christensen Subject: Exhausted To: lro@team.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: Hi all, Lawrence is back on the road again. I finally found a cheap supplier. DL-RK members get 20% off parts that are already cheap. So i ordered a silencer. It shouln't take more than an hour to change the silencer. HA! The bolts were the most rusty ones i ever saw. I had to use both a drill and a hacksaw and a few other tools. And every time i touched the pipes, 2 pounds of gunk fell down on my face. Next time i change it will be the whole exhaust. The pipes will outlast at least one silencer so i will use stainless steel bolts and copperease at the silencer flange. And perhaps on the manifold flange. Stainless bolts and nuts can be 5 to 10 as expensive as regular ones, but i really find that it's a resonable investment. I will also use stainless when i change springs and shocks. Does any netters have experience with such bolts/nuts and did you save time? Yours +----------------------------+--------------------------------+ | Soren Vels | 1976 sIII 109" 2.25 petrol | | velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk | "Lawrence of Arabia" | ((|||)) | Royal Danish Air Force | Dansk Land-Rover Klub no. 3564 | ((|||)) | Communications Specialist | DL-RK: Approx. 1000 members. | ((|||)) +----------------------------+--------------------------------+__((|||))______ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sat Nov 5 22:33:04 1994 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 23:25:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Steven Swiger (LIS)" To: lro@team.net Subject: FAQ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: where do i find it? e-me direct so as not to waste bandwidth.. thanx steve From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sat Nov 5 23:37:02 1994 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 94 22:32:36 MST From: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL ) To: lro@stratus.com Subject: Rover Name List Status: RO X-Status: Dear people, For some time I have been interested in the names and stories of naming that you all have. I had a fairly good list going and then my terminal crashed and took the file with it. Since Fred has brought the issue up in his recent post, let me try a list again. But here is the deal. Send by e-mail your name and story, year and type of rover and I will start the list over. Also add if you have a personalized plate that relates to either the Rover, its name or you. Since there are now a host of new people on the list I guess it is time to give it a go. Thanks, Roy Rovers in the Rockies - Sharing time with Wicked Wanda a 58 Series I, 88 Coyote Sister a 62 Series IIA, 88 New lady, no name yet a 69 Series IIA, 88 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sun Nov 6 02:09:29 1994 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 02:58:05 -0500 (EST) From: "Hal A. Lightwood" Subject: Re: Clutch Prob Again To: lro X-Envelope-To: lro@team.net Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mime-Version: 1.0 Status: RO X-Status: Well it looks like those who contributed by clutch problem to a leak in the hydraulics win the prize for the correct answer. Today on my way to my friend Jody Willoughby's house (some of you may know him.. he is the resident LR expert in this area), I heard a hissing sound and my clutch pedal became extremely stiff. This was determined to be a leak in the hydraulics (most probably). And then, coincidently, my starter jiggled itself loose somehow and wouldn't engage properly, and the generator decided it would no longer output sufficient current to charge the battery. So I ended up with a clutchless, unstartable, dead batteried Land Rover today. As far as I can tell all these problems are independant. I guess it just wasn't my day! Well I think I'll just go pop in a new clutch now. I couldn't take that long... :) Hal A. Lightwood From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sun Nov 6 07:55:04 1994 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 08:49:37 -0500 (EST) From: Steven M Denis Subject: rust..... To: Mike Lodice Cc: lro@stratus.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1478 Status: RO X-Status: Lies! all LIES!.......well maybe a *litte* truth to this.... here is a safty tip that I had never thought of...when lifting or transporting a rover with a "Keebler" chassis,one should make sure that the fuel tank is removed or emptied...when we lifted the beast on the trailer, it bent enough to puncture the tank and we left a trail of diesel fuel across the state... Ummm what Mike didn't say was this was the first outing with "the lady"... Well fellas,if you want to impress the sweet young things,*don't* take them on a rover hunt....she *said* she had a great time...somehow I think I'll pay for it down the line.... *I* thought that all the weight would have been foward of the trailer axle..what with the firewall and engine being the only real mass here...Well,someho wE ! NICE misscalculated and this trailer would sway about 3 feet side to side .. If we had had an88 rover we would have ended up parked on the roof...I guess what I'm saying is be *very* carefull when trailering roversas as they can bite ! does anyone need some 109 axles and stuff...all*I* wanted was the silly oil burner....sigh.... well,off to off load...in the rain....drat.... steve.... JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..." "NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon Steven M. Denis " "-1957 107 Station Wagon PO Box 61 " "-1964 109 Pickup Erieville,New York USA " "_1967 109 NADA SW 13061 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sun Nov 6 11:09:06 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Sun, 06 Nov 1994 12:07:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Exhausted To: velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO X-Status: The demon Rust plagues Soren... > > The bolts were the most rusty ones i ever saw. I had to use both a drill > -snip- I see you've never been to New York :) > least one silencer so i will use stainless steel bolts and copperease at > the > silencer flange. And perhaps on the manifold flange. Stainless bolts and > nuts > can be 5 to 10 as expensive as regular ones, but i really find that it's a > resonable investment. > > I will also use stainless when i change springs and shocks. > > Does any netters have experience with such bolts/nuts and did you save > time? > Sure... Stainless bolts are definately the way to go on critical components, or at the very least a compound like "Never-sieze" on exhaust studs, manifold bolts, etc, etc. Someone once suggested using the cheapest bolts/nuts possible for things that don't need to be real strong, like the bolts holding the floor panels in. That way, if they rusted up you could just snap them off. I like to stay as "low bucks" as possible, so that works for me. As far as saving time?? It seems that no matter how simple the job is, lots of time seems to be spent cursing, bleeding, rinsing out the wounds, stopping for a beer or cup of tea and more cursing. Sure, the stainless bolts loosen up easier but I don't think they save much time. Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sun Nov 6 13:33:43 1994 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 12:32:14 -0700 From: "Peter C. Parsons" To: lro@team.net Subject: Disco Presonalities Status: RO X-Status: My new Disco arrived last week - 3 months Ahead of schedule!! I was called with a comment of "We have one in- it's white not black - you have 2 hours to decide if you want it." RE: SUBJECT: Land Rover names. >Has anyone compiled a list of Land Rover names? I've had mine for one >month (Tomorrow) and am beginning to want to call her something. Is this >a LR thing? Am I losing it? - (What little I have left to lose, that >is.) My 94' Disco just turned 1wk yesterday, but I too am starting to want to name her. I am going Rover after years of a love/hate relationship with a '69 Jeep Commando. My jeep was named 'Rodan' after the three headed monster from the Godzilla series. But the new Rover is not as beastly, so I search for a name...(I also have a dog named "Moosehead" so how knows what the Disco will be called). ALSO: RE: Subject: Liscence plate "names" >I'm thinking about getting a custom liscense plate, here are some ideas >I've had. (Please let me know if you have, or plan to use any of them.) Along with naming my new Disco, I have been toying with License plate names, also. My ideas currently run toward: RVRONOVR (too many chars, I know- but I had to start somewhere) RVR ON (too 'Waynes World' ish) GONROVN (gone Rov'n or Going Rovn) ROV4EVR RVRONUP ROVONUP I am interested in other entries also, and in ways they can be 'misread'. I once had a sports car with plates that said: FEARLS (fearless) but finally bagged them after 1000's of people said "what are fearls" (as in what are 'ferals'...) -Peter Parsons '94 white Disco 5sp, loaded and ROVing ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pinpoint Solutions, Inc phone: (303)444-7257 523 Arkansas Mtn Rd. fax: (303)444-4966 (fax Number) Boulder, CO 80302 email: pparsons@ppsol.com From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sun Nov 6 14:16:49 1994 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 94 14:12:48 CST From: jahoff@heartland.bradley.edu (Janice Hoffart) To: lro@stratus.com Subject: change of address Reply-To: jahoff@heartland.bradley.edu Status: RO X-Status: Hi, this is Benjamin Freeman known as LROVER@max.u.washington.edu this address is no longer being used please forward my mail temporarly to this address Jahoff@Heartland.bradley.edu this is my Fiancees' address I will be getting a new internet address very soon. Sincerely, Benjamin J. Freeman -- The Professional Wedding Consultant For information please send E-mail to jahoff@heartland.bradley.edu We will make your day what dreams are made of! From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sun Nov 6 17:05:09 1994 From: JFisk1120@aol.com Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 18:03:59 -0500 Sender: JFisk1120@aol.com To: LRO@team.net Subject: At our house.................... Status: RO X-Status: We have an expression at our house....the rhino bars, the racks, the so-called tough guy extras....are referred to as "butch jewelry" for your Rover! Jan Fisk Springfield, Missouri 1964 Land Rover Series IIA 1991 Range Rover (w/o butch jewelry) From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sun Nov 6 23:27:50 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Mon, 07 Nov 1994 00:22:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Clutch Prob Again To: halightw@FLASH.LakeheadU.CA, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"halightw@FLASH.LakeheadU.CA" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO X-Status: Wait a bit Hal.... > Well it looks like those who contributed by clutch problem to a leak in > the > hydraulics win the prize for the correct answer. Today on my way to my > friend Jody Willoughby's house (some of you may know him.. he is the > resident LR expert in this area), I heard a hissing sound and my clutch > pedal became extremely stiff. This was determined to be a leak in the > hydraulics (most probably). And then, coincidently, my starter jiggled - snip - OK.. I'm confused... How does a leak in the hydraulics give you a STIFF clutch pedal. If you have a leak, you should have a loss in pressure and the pedal should go right to the floor. You sure it's stiff?? (NO JOKES, MALONEY!) Now, a crimp in the clutch line or maybe the hose in the line collapsed internally... THOSE could cause a stiff pedal and clutch problems. > itself loose somehow and wouldn't engage properly, and the generator > decided it would no longer output sufficient current to charge the > battery. So I ended up with a clutchless, unstartable, dead batteried > Land Rover today. As far as I can tell all these problems are > independant. I guess it just wasn't my day! Well I think I'll just go Of course they are all related.. Those parts have a strong union.. One thing stops and they all got to stop... :) Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Nov 7 03:23:29 1994 From: "T.F. Mills" Subject: Re: looking for love in all the wrong rovers To: sinasohn@crl.com (Roger Sinasohn) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 02:20:36 -0700 (MST) Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: <199411051908.AA01145@crl5.crl.com> from "Roger Sinasohn" at Nov 5, 94 11:08:36 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 623 Status: RO X-Status: Uncle Roger writes: < There are a fair number of LRO's who are ladies; some of them are even < single. Maybe we should start a Land Rover Dating Service? What's this? Reverse discrimination? Is such a service only going to allow ladies to date Land Rovers? Some of the men could get pretty upset about this scheme. But maybe not: Steve Notajeep, Bill Baloney, and Jon Pouet are already married to their Rovers, so they wouldn't be eligible for the dating service. T. F. Mills tomills@du.edu University of Denver Library 2150 E. Evans Ave. Denver CO 80208 USA From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Nov 7 06:44:33 1994 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 1994 08:38:18 -0500 From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) Phone: 201-564-2073 Subject: Disco Skid Plates & Brit Marque To: LRO@stratus.com, denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU Content-Type: Text Status: RO X-Status: Russ & David asked about skidplates. A source that I believe supplies them for the Camel Trophy Vehicles is: Southdown 4X4 Products (UK) 011 44 363 83819 Voice 011 44 363 83472 Fax (This is dialing from the US - call before 7:00am your time to get economy rates if you use AT&T) Russ is right. They don't entirely cover the diff. A hole is left at the bottom so that the plate is flush with the bottom of the diff. This prevents a further loss of ground clearance due to the plate being beneath the diff. Russ, I'm no skid plate SME, but I believe that the diff and trans plates from a 90 would fit a Disco (same axles & drivetrain). I'm not sure about the steering rod skid plate. IMHO, the front steering plate is the most valuable. If you are treading thoughtfully, i.e. aware of your speed for the terrain and aware of where your diffs hang down and undercarriage clearance, those items should only get scraped from time to time. The front steering rods are less forgiving (another time they might prove valuable is when fording a stream crossing you are unfamiliar with-which should be checked out anyway). British Marque- Just came this weekend. There's a nice shot of Steve's "NOTAJEEP" with his learner's "L" on front, Jim Pappas' version of the British Invasion at Stowe, and a HILARIOUS account of the tug of war between the Rover Club and the Mini Club in the Mini section (OK, who went to the judges accusing the Mini team of hiding their cars in their pockets for added ballast against our ringers Clive and Chris Laws?) Enough stuff for now. Bill maloney@wings.attmail.com From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Nov 7 07:59:41 1994 Date: 07 Nov 94 08:49:44 EST From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com> To: Landy Subject: Land Rover Dating Service Status: RO X-Status: Uncle Roger Writes: >There are a fair number of LRO's who are ladies; some of them are even >single. Maybe we should start a Land Rover Dating Service? I can see the ad now "SIIa LWB owner seeks 88 military owner to round out collection... send photo (of the Land Rover) to..." R. P. Reid From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Nov 7 08:03:20 1994 Date: 07 Nov 94 08:57:43 EST From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com> To: Landy Subject: Stainless Status: RO X-Status: Soren Writes: >Does any netters have experience with such bolts/nuts and did you save time? I use nothing but stainless hardware when restoring anything. I helped a guy do a 109 this past spring (total down to the last nut restoration) and our bill for stainless hardware was in the hundreds of dollars (about 400, if I remember right), but we replaced every nut and bolt of every component we disassembled. The only times we did not use stainless were on things that were inside an oil bath or that were getting painted (ie differential housing) where the paint would protect the bolt. Similarly, I do the same any time I am working on my IIa (and have always used stainless on motorcycles, other cars, etc.) R. P. Reid From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Nov 7 08:10:09 1994 Date: 07 Nov 94 09:05:01 EST From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com> To: Landy Subject: Naming -- How? Status: RO X-Status: Roy Rovers writes: >For some time I have been interested in the names and stories >of naming that you all have. Roy: My Series IIa 88 Military is named the Sargeant Major... after the John Cleese Characterization of the Sgt. Major in the Monty Python sketch entitled "How to disarm an attacker armed with a Banana" It was a silly sketch. Very silly, as a matter of fact. Brought a whole new meaning to the term silly. Though not quite as silly as "Crunchy Frog" and far sillier than the "Upperclass Twit of the Year." Being that silly, it seemed a fitting name. As for the plate... I have just applied for the plate "FLACK" which is what I do... since I am a PR person. (My other car is getting the plate SPIN DR) Cheers, R. P. Reid From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sun Nov 6 20:15:52 1994 From: Craig Murray Subject: Re: Tip from scotty, and My series 1 To: lro@team.net Date: Mon, 7 Nov 94 13:09:47 EDT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: RO X-Status: TeriAnn writes: >>> I was chatting with Scotty over the phone yesterday evening and he passed me a tip and asked that I forward it to the group. Back in the days when he ran a Land Rover authorized warrenty repair shop, he recieved a bulliton from Land Rover saying not to park Land Rovers facing down a steep hill. The primary input shaft on the front of the transmission does not have a regular oil seal. It instead has scrolling that activly pushes the oil back into the gear box when the Land Rover is tilted downward enough that the transmission oil level reaches the input shaft. This works well when the Land Rover is moving but does not work when the car is parked. Transmission oil will flow down along the shaft and go onto the clutch disk. Left facing a steep downhill long enough, the clutch can start slipping. The heat of the clutch will dry the oil and create a glaze that causes clutch jidder. He mentioned that a few clutch disks were replaced on warrentee because people parked regularly facing down hill on some of the San Francisco hills. I believe he said that the problem occures when the slope gets to be about 25 or 30 degrees. so a slight downhill slope is OK. If you park on a steep slope always aim the nose of your Land Rover uphill. >>> This is correct, but only applies to pre D suffix IIA gear boxes I think, I know that my F suffix gear box does not suffer this problem, that is why I have put that in my series 1 instead of the original box, after I blew it up, but I will miss the dipstick. On another note, I finally drove my series 1 for the first time since February, even if it was only to back it out of the shed, and then drive it strait back in. But the really frustrating part of it all is the fact, that while I was putting the gear box back in, I noticed that the master cylinder was leaking a little, so I thought, might as well do that up while I'm at it, WHAT A MISTAKE!!!!!! I cannot get any brakes what so ever now, I am hoping, no make that preying that the brake place cocked up my master cylinder, so that I can fix the brakes during the week, and get an exhaust made up on the weekend, I spent all last week(after work) and this weekend bleeding my brakes, I think I primed/bleed the master cylinder about 8 times. I about ten years time, I might start drilling for brake fluid where my Series 1 is currently parked, as I think I put about 2 litres of brake fluid through the thing, and onto the floor of the shed over the past week! I know it has to be a problem with the master cylinder, as I clamped up all the flexible hoses, and still could not get a pedal, theoretically, I should not be able to move the brake pedal in such a situation! This is really annoying, as I really, really, really, REALLY, want to drive my series 1, I miss driving my Series 1, and I am sick of every one at work, and people I know, saying that it should be running by the year 2000. Thats all the ranting and raving and general stuff like that for now!!!!!!! ============================================================================== Craig Murray 1955 Series 1 86" LROC of Victoria Australia 2.25 diesel (Nearly!) LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia (Currently on Digest Mode) email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Nov 7 08:35:53 1994 To: lro@team.net From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Women Who Like to Get Dirty Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:31:29 UNDEFINED Status: RO X-Status: Women Who Like to Get Dirty > There has been a number of threads about Land Rovers as a possible "Babe" > magnet. Sorry guys, I don't know any women who would want to come into > contact with a really dirty Land ROver unless she is dessed for the > occasion... /Hmmmm... what kind of attire do these women usually don? > ...and in a mood to get dirty. /There are occasions when a woman in a mood to do something dirty can be a /rather attractive proposition. I remember an olg girl freind who's idea of a great time was to change the oil, get covered in it, adn then be well soaped down afterwards............ Wonder what happened to her? Skin cancer, probably. From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Nov 7 08:23:36 1994 To: lro@team.net From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: New Defender 90 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:19:18 UNDEFINED Status: RO X-Status: /About 90 frames. Does any one know what this factory wax junk injected /into the frame feels like. The inside of both the RR, and the 90 frames /feel like bare metal to me... NEVER trust teh factory! Inect it yourself, then you know it's been done right! From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Nov 7 08:48:46 1994 To: lro@team.net From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Washing a LR? Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:43:19 UNDEFINED Status: RO X-Status: /gestapo's). I now park on a nearby side road with real trees. Come spring and /summer, the trees will drip juice on the roof, which will hopefully /nurish the microscopic seeds that are in the air. I can have a regular /garden on the roof with green plants, flowers and perhaps a small tree. You can take ecology too far. When teh rubber floor liner in teh back of the lorry wears out, I plane on Astroturfing it. Thought I might do teh roof too. Lawning it would be too much trouble. From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Nov 7 08:58:47 1994 From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: stainless fixings To: lro@team.net Date: Mon, 7 Nov 94 9:53:02 EST Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.36.1.1] Status: RO X-Status: Soren asks: >>>>> Next time i change it will be the whole exhaust. The pipes will outlast at least one silencer so i will use stainless steel bolts and copperease at the silencer flange. And perhaps on the manifold flange. Stainless bolts and nuts can be 5 to 10 as expensive as regular ones, but i really find that it's a resonable investment. I will also use stainless when i change springs and shocks. Does any netters have experience with such bolts/nuts and did you save time? >>>>>> Nigel ('60 SII 88) has stainless fixings on his manifold-to-pipe connection and they are rustfree and clean as whistles. They turn so freely they come loose. A keen ear on the manifold tells me when its time to tighten them up. rd/nige From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Nov 7 10:08:32 1994 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 94 09:04:04 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV To: lro@team.net, Offroad@ai.gtri.gatech.edu Subject: Different priorities... Status: RO X-Status: FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB204 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: Different priorities... Steven writes: I first saw this "artwork" at the ABP rally...A large group of guys were *carefully* examining the photo....several of the Rover widows came to peer over their sholders......they were really disgusted....the guys were ignoring the "neck-ed" lady and were checking out the ropes on the canvas roof....."So *that's* how they do that!" ...The ladies response? "You guys are really *SICK*!" This reminds me of a time when a bunch of guys at work were checking out a "Snap On" tools calendar, with lots of beautiful women, when a gay guy happened by and said "WOW! What a HUGE wrench!" and ALL of the guys had to look again at the calendar to notice the three-foot (1 meter) wrench that the girl was holding! Sure enough... there WERE tools in that calendar! ;) Have fun! Dave Brown - "Tool watcher" NOT! #=====# Never doubt that a small group of individuals |___|__\___ can change the world... indeed, it's the only | | | | thing that ever has. ""O""""""O"" -Margaret Mead From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Nov 7 10:20:28 1994 From: Russell Burns Subject: Trip thru the pond To: lro@stratus.com Date: Mon, 7 Nov 94 8:14:52 PST Status: RO X-Status: Saturday a friend of mine Rick came over, and we attempted to drive the 90 thru the pond. The first attempted was unsuccessful as we became lodged in the mud. The second attempt in a different location was a little more successful. This time we did get to the middle of the pond before getting stuck. At least we were able to wash out that new car smell with some pond water. All in all it was a sucessful afternoon. The winch on the R-rover comes in handy for extracting the 90 from the pond. Russ Burns 91 Ranger Rover 94 Defender 90 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Nov 7 14:46:23 1994 From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: rust..... To: denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Steven M Denis) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 94 15:36:45 EST Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: ; from "Steven M Denis" at Nov 6, 94 8:49 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.36.1.1] Status: RO X-Status: > Lies! all LIES!.......well maybe a *litte* truth to this.... If I were tooling about in upstate NY along rt 20, rt 5, or the interstate, and I came across a VW towing some wretched 109 on a flatbed with sparks and diesel fuel spewing about, I'd of ONLY figured it had to be one of you two HOOLIGANS! Aren't there cops up thataway that are supposed to be keeping our highways and biways safe and secure for all?? safety first, rd/nigel From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Nov 7 15:58:05 1994 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 94 16:27:16 LCL From: Joseph Broach Subject: Radiator and Carb problems To: land-rover-owner@team.net Status: RO X-Status: While waiting for the oil to drain, I took a peek down the radiator and to my dismay found the ring securing the cap was corroded and beginning to crack. Can a radiator shop braze a new fitting on the top of an otherwise solid radiator?? I am only a Rover owner of three months, but I love the brute so much that I am selling my other car and plunging Sid into daily driverdom!! My dad has also taken a liking to him and is considering trading his old Benz for a 109 :~}. -Rgds, Joseph Broach '67 IIa 88"......'Sidney' From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Nov 7 16:39:13 1994 From: mtalbot@interserv.com Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:29:55 -0800 To: LRO@team.net Status: RO X-Status: All, After reading the thread on our beloved Land Rovers breaking in half, I would like to share my experience with you. I recently (Oct) picked up a SIII from VinalHaven ME. Vinalhaven is a small island off the Maine coastline. The LR had spent a long time working on the island mainly as a plow and a boat hauler. After years of running into the sea, cleaning up salt soaked snow, the chassis basically had enough. When I went to look at said LR in Sept, I was informed that the chassis was gone, just looking under confirmed that !! However, the rest was fine, in fact the engine has 23,000 genuine miles on it. Good body and a dash with no rips !! A good buy for $600. My father (over from England) and I went over to Vinalhaven to collect it with my Range Rover, we tried to get on the ferry with the trailer, but it was full. We quickly disconnected the trailer and drived onto the ferry, JUST. One hour and 15 mins later we were off the other side and looking face to face with the LR. Now, when I went over to see it in Sept, I never drove it because the clutch bearing was seized. We tied up the LR to the RR with the tow strap and eased off down the road, my Dad gingerly testing the brakes, not much pedal pressure and from what we could gather, only one rear brake was working. I forgot to mention that the only way into the LR was through the rear door, getting the picture here.... Anyway we got to the ferry station and stopped for coffe in preparation for the trip back to the mainland. My Dad, was peed that he had to climb in through the rear door, tried to pull the drivers door open, success, however, as soon that door opened, it dropped about a foot !!! and the passenger door jumped open. We realised what had happen, the doors were keeping the thing up. Anyway, more fun on the boat back, I pulled the LR onto the ferry and we sat there taking in the view. When we drove onto the ferry at Vinalhaven, some joker shouted, "Look, a Land Rover" then the reply "yes and it's on tow ...." came booming out. At least a Range Rover was pulling it. We arrived back in Rockland and started to disembark, I took the strain and eased the RR up the ramp, the LR limping along behind. Now it was low tide at the time and we had to go up the ramp and then down the other side. As we crested the top of the ramp, I heared a loud thud, crack and bang. As I looked in the rear view mirror, I could see my Dad killing himself laughing, the LR had snapped in half !! held up by the exhaust and tranny. Anyway, we got the LR on the trailer and took her home. Two days later we had stripped her down to parts. ..... Anyone want some ???? Rgds Mark From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Nov 7 19:30:16 1994 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:11:35 +0800 From: William.Grouell@Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell) To: land-rover-owner@team.net Subject: Re: Radiator and Carb problems X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 544 Status: RO X-Status: > From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Nov 7 13:59 PST 1994 > Subject: Radiator and Carb problems > To: land-rover-owner@team.net > While waiting for the oil to drain, I took a peek down the radiator and > to my dismay found the ring securing the cap was corroded and beginning > to crack. Can a radiator shop braze a new fitting on the top of an otherwise > solid radiator?? > -Rgds, > Joseph Broach '67 IIa 88"......'Sidney' > They can solder on a new one. From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Nov 7 17:00:05 1994 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 23:54:37 +0200 (METDST) From: S|ren Vels Christensen Subject: Re: painting landrovers To: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: <9411041153.AA00470@hpman010.uksr.hp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 4 Nov 1994, Robert Meredith wrote: > Folks, > > Terri Anne mentioned repainting her landrover and I'm interested in doing > this myself at some time in the next year. This is because it is presently > green and I'm hoping to travel in it to some countries where I gather green > landrovers might possibly be considered as being something military. So I'm > thinking about repainting it white. Any ideas on the best way to do this so > as not to replace a reasonable paint job with a crap one??!!! > > I look forward to your ideas, > > Cheers, > > Rob Meredith. Hi Rob. If you plan on going to ex-Yugoslavia DON'T PAINT IT WHITE!. The bosnian serbs will think it belongs to UN peacekeeping force and will let you taste a few one-o-fives. When you crawl out of the smoking wreck, the snipers will get the rest of you. I suggest yellow with neon-pink polka dots. Take care. +----------------------------+--------------------------------+ | Soren Vels | 1976 sIII 109" 2.25 petrol | | velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk | "Lawrence of Arabia" | ((|||)) | Royal Danish Air Force | Dansk Land-Rover Klub no. 3564 | ((|||)) | Communications Specialist | DL-RK: Approx. 1000 members. | ((|||)) +----------------------------+--------------------------------+__((|||))______ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Nov 7 16:57:37 1994 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:50:18 -0800 (PST) From: Morgan Hannaford To: Joseph Broach Cc: land-rover-owner@team.net Subject: Re: Radiator and Carb problems In-Reply-To: <199411072153.QAA13269@transfer.stratus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: On Mon, 7 Nov 1994, Joseph Broach wrote: > > While waiting for the oil to drain, I took a peek down the radiator and > to my dismay found the ring securing the cap was corroded and beginning > to crack. Can a radiator shop braze a new fitting on the top of an otherwise > solid radiator?? > I am only a Rover owner of three months, but I love the brute so much > that I am selling my other car and plunging Sid into daily driverdom!! My > dad has also taken a liking to him and is considering trading his old Benz > for a 109 :~}. > > -Rgds, > Joseph Broach '67 IIa 88"......'Sidney' > I've got two words for you: "JB Weld" A radiator shop can fix it up good, or you could DIY with a torch. But this plasti-weld crap will patch just about anything (e.g. my radiator after my fan plowed through it), and is really cheap. Morgan Hannaford Berkeley, CA '69 88" From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Nov 7 20:27:01 1994 From: Brian_Foster_at_ASTISHR@ccmailsmtp.ast.com Date: Mon, 07 Nov 94 17:00:53 PST To: Land-Rover-Owner@team.net Subject: Yakima Roof Racks Status: RO X-Status: This will send petty to most of you, but has anybody had experience using Yakima racks on a RR? I have the tower system, but I have run into a slight problem that Yakima is unwilling to reconcile. The clips that come with the rack system have a 90-degree angle to them and are not long enough to properly get over the small lip on the bottom edge of the rain gutter and deflect the clip down. I have the racks moved all the way forward to incorporate the van-size wind deflector which cuts down on wind noise and resistance (otherwise I could just move the racks back where there wasn't interference). The clip problem looks like this: is | & should be: | |____ |_---- Has anybody discovered an alternate clip to use? any alternatives? BTW, I have a lot of accessories for these racks, so changing to Thules (as recommended by the LRNA reps this weekend suggested) will not make economic sense. brian.foster@ast.com From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Nov 7 21:04:21 1994 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 19:00:03 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: pparsons@ppsol.com, lro@team.net Subject: Re: Disco Presonalities Status: RO X-Status: Um, "ROVONUP" sorta sounds like you're getting married to the Disco... "RovoNup[tials]" (Of course, I was just at my cousins wedding yesterday, so maybe I'm oversensitized.) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Nov 7 22:19:30 1994 From: mtalbot@interserv.com Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:13:36 -0800 To: LRO@team.net Subject: Vance.... E-mail me Status: RO X-Status: Vance, must have written down your e-mail address incorrectly, please e-mail me and I will e-mail back Thanks, Mark From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 8 00:22:16 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Tue, 08 Nov 1994 01:12:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Trip thru the pond To: burns@cisco.com, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"burns@cisco.com" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO X-Status: Russ Burns... blub, blub, blub.... > > Saturday a friend of mine Rick came over, and we attempted to > drive the 90 thru the pond. The first attempted was unsuccessful > as we became lodged in the mud. The second attempt in a different location > was a little more successful. This time we did get to the middle of the Kinda like that old Marx brothers bit with the three Russian avaitors.. Chico was being interviewed about crossing the Atlantic.. "The firsta time we cross the ocean, we run outta gas half way, so we go back. The seconda time we take a plenty gas but run out before we land - so we go back. The thirda time, we take the boat." Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 8 00:20:49 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Tue, 08 Nov 1994 01:12:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: rust..... To: dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO X-Status: Russell, safe downstate, (somewhere near NYC) only WISHES he could have this much fun.... > If I were tooling about in upstate NY along rt 20, rt 5, or the > interstate, and I came across a VW towing some wretched 109 > on a flatbed with sparks and diesel fuel spewing about, I'd > of ONLY figured it had to be one of you two HOOLIGANS! Yes, yes... We did it.. it was fun! > > Aren't there cops up thataway that are supposed to be keeping > our highways and biways safe and secure for all?? > In the donut shops, I suspect! Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 8 01:28:44 1994 From: "T.F. Mills" Subject: LRW US national decoded To: IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk (Ian Stuart, Faculty) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 00:26:36 -0700 (MST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <18A5B537C57@lab0.vet.ed.ac.uk> from "Ian Stuart, Faculty" at Nov 3, 94 05:06:15 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3099 Status: RO X-Status: With something of a personal interest at stake, I've been noting the progress of the Dec. LRW across the globe. Ian Stuart reported its arrival in Scotland on 3 Nov. Bill Maloney reported it in NJ 2 days later, and I received it in Colorado another 2 days later. Where there's a will, even the US postal service can be overcome! On another happy note about LRW, the new editor (Alan Kidd) sent a form letter to Solihull Society (Colorado club) informing us of a complimentary club subscription, and a 25% discount on LRW for individual club members. I don't know what LRO's response is, but this looks like classic newspaper war tactics. (And I write from one of the last cities in the US that still has rival newspapers slugging it out.) At least two other people on the net also have a personal interest in the Dec. issue which contains my article on the 94 US national. Here's is the inside scoop on the photos: Lower photo on contents page (p.5): Jim Merriam of Wichita, Kansas, driving his 88 over Black Bear Pass, overlooking Telluride, Colorado. Actually, the photo is from 1992, he wasn't there in 1994, and we did it this time in the rain. p.58-59 spread: Ophir Pass, Colorado. Those who were there will note that the traffic is going the wrong way. Well, darn, it was 1992 again! And participants won't recognize the vehicles, especially the ambulance, and the S1 (the article clearly notes there were no S1s in '94!) p.60: you guessed it -- 1992 again, but Matt Tanner and his yellow 88 were there again in '94, and he was one of the organizers. Upper photo p. 61: my son Sandy immortalizing Paul Ferraiolo (I know you're lurking out there!) on celluloid at the US Camel Trophy training grounds. Lower photo p.61: the bearded guy is our friend Russ Burns throwing his weight around the infamous mudhole on Medano Road. The little guy is Sandy again. Twice on the same page! And as Ian noted my 109 is nowhere to be seen. (I think that's an editorial tease: if you want your car in LRW, send another article -- oh, well.) Upper photo p.63: a 109 RHD from Los Angeles, I think (I forget the man's name -- sorry). Lower photo p.63: Rovers courtesy of Sandy. He owns more Rovers than anybody else I know. p.65: the same RHD as p.63. p.66: Ophir Pass (yes, it's 1994 this time). Foreground 109 is Greg Chernushin's of Colorado Springs, the-sort-of-prez of Solihull Society. Middle p.66-67: Bill Maniscalco's (Cincinnati, Ohio) 110. p. 67: the other spot that failed to stop the unstoppable. *************** Ian writes: < (Do you fancy comming over to do some of the SLROC events?) I take it you're offering all expenses-paid trip for two? My redheaded, freckled girlfriend says she'd feel right at home in Scotland. And she promises to say nice things about men and their dirty old Rovers. Well, anyway ... thanks for the compliments! Speaking of babes .. y'all check out the cover story in LRW. T. F. Mills tomills@du.edu University of Denver Library 2150 E. Evans Ave. Denver CO 80208 USA From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 8 01:56:45 1994 Via: uk.ac.edinburgh.castle; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 07:52:59 +0000 From: Mr Ian Stuart Organization: Vet-lab,The Univ of Edinburgh To: lro@stratus.com Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 07:52:26 +0000 Subject: Re: all expenses-paid trip for two Priority: normal Status: RO X-Status: > Ian writes: > > < (Do you fancy comming over to do some of the SLROC events?) > > I take it you're offering all expenses-paid trip for two? My > redheaded, freckled girlfriend says she'd feel right at home in > Scotland. And she promises to say nice things about men and their > dirty old Rovers. Yes, I'm offering an all expenses paid trip for two -- if you pay all the expenses ;#} (I can even offer some names of Guest Houses/Hotels :) ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 31 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. WWW sites: Work -- Play -- #======================================================================# I'm not a computing nerd, I'm a computing geek. |Land Rover owners do Geeks are much higher up the evolutionary chain. | it in the mud. From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 8 02:01:52 1994 Via: uk.ac.edinburgh.castle; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 07:57:25 +0000 From: Mr Ian Stuart Organization: Vet-lab,The Univ of Edinburgh To: lro@stratus.com Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 07:56:56 +0000 Subject: Re: LRW US national decoded Priority: normal Status: RO X-Status: > With something of a personal interest at stake, I've been noting the > progress of the Dec. LRW across the globe. Ian Stuart reported its > arrival in Scotland on 3 Nov. Bill Maloney reported it in NJ 2 days > later, and I received it in Colorado another 2 days later. Where > there's a will, even the US postal service can be overcome! My "free gift when you subscribe to LRO" arrived yesterday -- only 5 days after I posted the cheque -- not bad! I guess that now makes me a a member of 4 clubs: lro@team.net Scottish Land Rover Owners Club International Off-Road Club Club Off-Road :-) ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 31 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. WWW sites: Work -- Play -- #======================================================================# I'm not a computing nerd, I'm a computing geek. |Land Rover owners do Geeks are much higher up the evolutionary chain. | it in the mud. From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 8 07:45:44 1994 Date: 08 Nov 94 08:30:47 EST From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com> To: Landy Subject: Radiator and Carb problems Status: RO X-Status: Joseph: A radiator shop can probably solder (you don't braze a radiator -- brazing is far too hot) a new filler cap tube for you. Failing that, they can solder a new top tank on the radiator. Any decent radiator shop should be able to help you. FYI, have the radiator pressure tested after the work is done -- again any decent radiator shop can do this. Cheers, R. P. Reid From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 8 09:21:32 1994 From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: Re: LRW US national decoded To: tomills@du.edu (T.F. Mills) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:09:52 -0500 (EST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <199411080726.AAA17043@mercury.cair.du.edu> from "T.F. Mills" at Nov 8, 94 00:26:36 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1729 Status: RO X-Status: > With something of a personal interest at stake, I've been noting the > progress of the Dec. LRW across the globe. Ian Stuart reported its > arrival in Scotland on 3 Nov. Bill Maloney reported it in NJ 2 days > later, and I received it in Colorado another 2 days later. Where > there's a will, even the US postal service can be overcome! December LRW arrived in Ottawa yesterday, or at least my neck of the Ottawa region. I do like the colour photo of the big green beastie between the 110 and the restored '67 IIA Station Wagon (note the III front end...) at the British Invasion at Stowe (p. 111). It has, er, character. > On another happy note about LRW, the new editor (Alan Kidd) sent > a form letter to Solihull Society (Colorado club) > informing us of a complimentary club subscription, and a 25% discount > on LRW for individual club members. I don't know what LRO's response is, > but this looks like classic newspaper war tactics. (And I write from > one of the last cities in the US that still has rival newspapers > slugging it out.) LRW has offered a discount to members of OVLR, The Toronto Club, Bay State members that I know of so far. They are also sending a complimentary subscription to these clubs. > p.58-59 spread: Ophir Pass, Colorado. Those who were there will > note that the traffic is going the wrong way. Well, darn, it was 1992 > again! And participants won't recognize the vehicles, especially the > ambulance, and the S1 (the article clearly notes there were no S1s in > '94!) AN excellent article. Were the photos that you supplied on slides, or were they on paper? > Speaking of babes .. y'all check out the cover story in LRW. Not bad... :-) Rgds, Dixon From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 8 10:43:38 1994 Date: Tue, 08 Nov 1994 10:46:52 EST From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE) To: land-rover-owner@team.net Subject: Stainless Status: RO X-Status: Stainless fixings are the way to go, especially anywhere near the exhaust. Even better is to put "Helicoil" or "Qualizert" stainless thread inserts into the cast iron exhaust manifold. Last time I changed an exhaust/intake gasket, I changed all the fixings over to stainless and even used copper-bassed, marine anti-seize on all threads. If you've ever had a stud break off in the block, you will take expensive prevenative measures to avoid the same repeat experience. About the only place I *don't* use stainless is in the prop shaft bolts where Grade 8 steel is called for. When I rebuilt the engine 5+ years ago, I used a stainless exhaust system I got from RN, *except* for the front pipe which was regular steel and relatively new (at that time). Curiously, it appears to be in better condition than the stainless. Only recently, the intermediate pipe broke at one of the flanges (clean as you could cut it with a pipe cutter). Since I was at Mike's farm (rally site) he welded it up with his MIG. The flanges are mild (carbon) steel while the pipes appear to be Type 304 (active) stainless steel. And Tom...I got LRW on Monday the 7th...niece piece on the national. I sent Alan Kidd a list of names and addresses of all of the North America clubs two months ago. *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----* | | | Sandy Grice, Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com FAX: 804-622-7056 | | Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days) 804-423-4898 (Evenings) | | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA | *------------------------------------------------------* From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 8 10:14:25 1994 Date: Tue, 08 Nov 94 09:04:36 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV To: lro@team.net Subject: Disco skid plates - Still have them? Status: RO X-Status: FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB204 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: Disco skid plates - Still have them? Has anyone determined if the D-90 skid plates will fit a Discovery? If they will, I am interested in obtaining them. Who ever it was that had them from a D-90, could you please let me know if you still have them, and price?? Thanks, Dave Brown - '94 Discovery - Phoenix Arizona USA #=====# Never doubt that a small group of individuals |___|__\___ can change the world... indeed, it's the only | | | | thing that ever has. ""O""""""O"" -Margaret Mead From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 8 11:10:28 1994 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 94 09:05:17 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Reply-To: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: lro@Team.net Subject: Re: Women WhoLike to Get Dirty Status: RO X-Status: It looks like I made a mistake in crossing the threads of washing Land Rovers and Land Rovers as a babe magnet as it has taken on a grizley life of its own. They warned us not to cross threads in Ghost busters. And as was predicted, terrible unpredictable things have happened and part of the ectoplasmic backlash is splashing up in mail ques around the world. If I just had not made this mistake, I would not have to live with the consiquences. I guess I now know what Dr Frankinstien thought aftrewards. TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards LINK: TWAKEMAN 408-974-2344 TR3A - TS75519L, MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 8 11:58:06 1994 From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: Disco skid plates - Still have them? To: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Date: Tue, 8 Nov 94 12:47:19 EST Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: <199411081605.LAA05264@transfer.stratus.com>; from "DEBROWN@SRP.GOV" at Nov 08, 94 9:04 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.36.1.1] Status: RO X-Status: Dave Brown asks: > Has anyone determined if the D-90 skid plates will fit a Discovery? If > they will, I am interested in obtaining them. Who ever it was that had > them from a D-90, could you please let me know if you still have them, > and price?? I had mentioned that someone I knew had the stock skid plate plus a custom-made one on his 90. Bill Maloney suggested that there wouldn't be a problem fitting the 90 skidplate on a Disco. I've never seen a 90 and a disco side by side and made the comparison. For price, I suggest you conact your dealer (the custom one was made by the guys brother so I suspect the price was right). rd/nigel From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 8 12:15:08 1994 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:10:32 -0800 To: lro@stratus.com From: jfhess@ucdavis.edu (John Hess) Subject: cross country trip in rover Status: RO X-Status: Howdy rover gang, I've been a subscriber for a while and can now report that barring any bizarre circumstances, I will be a rover owner on Nov 26. I have made arrangments to purchase a dormobile from the east coast land rover co in camden maine. Note that I live in california. I have had the vehicle checked out by Ted Howard, of howards garage in warren maine; by Jeff Aronson, newsletter editor of the rovers north newsletter; and have gotten the opinion of myles murphy, rover person who lives near camden. All are in agreement that the vehicle is in very good original condition. It has almost all the dormobile goodies (missing jerry cans on front, water containers in rear cabinet). It has a new in 1988 chassis. It has an OD, fw hubs. I have plane tickets for my wife, son and me; we plan to pick the thing up in portland on the 26th then get to california by Dec 10 or so. We plan to go south, then west tentatively visiting a brother in law in austin texas, cutting across NM and AZ then home. I am potentially interested in meeting some of you rover folks along the way.(as an aside, I met ben smith last june on his way home to NJ from caltech. Very nice to talk to him and meet a face behind the posts. Plus, I got to see him extract himself from a too overloaded 88!) However, I can't give much of a plan other than south from maine, bypassing NY city, possibly stopping in DC, then KY (mammoth caves?) then south and west (memphis? my wife, NOT an elvis fan wants for some bizarre reason to see graceland; We do have friends there anyway) from there to austin? go through las vegas, out of there to death valley? then north to davis. As you can see, not much of a plan. Thus far, we have a bunch of maps from AAA and a list of campgrounds from KOA. We plan on sleeping in the dormobile some days, motel other days. same with cooking and eating. we will have an ice chest (our own) and a propane stove (in the dormobile). >From perhaps uncle roger, jan fisk, ben smith, maloney and everyone else, any suggestions for what to carry as far as tools and spares? Any word about a place called rovers west in tucson AZ? Please post here or email me privately. I will be making lists of suggestions and can post summaries. thanks, PS I have a couple of photos on my mac that I have made available to greg hiner for his www site. they include one of the dormobile, one of a series I, one of a 90 county. I will probably be scanning more but for now, if youhave the ability, ftp to 128.120.81.21 login as rover, password aluminum. Please do not do this during 9-5 west coast time. I will try to remember to leave the computer on at night. John Hess, PhD Phone me 916 752 8420 Dept of Human Anatomy FAX me 916 752 8520 University of Calif Email me jfhess@ucdavis.edu Davis, CA or leave me alone, your choice. From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 8 13:50:11 1994 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:45:01 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: lro@team.net From: jimmyp@netcom.com (Jimmy Patrick) Subject: looking high and low... Status: RO X-Status: ...for a rover. I have been over here in the UK for over a month, and still no rover. I have looked at a few and am waiting for some info on some others. I saw a nice 1960 88" soft top that was sort of original with a nice chassis and recent spray. Parts of that one looked as though it was just a quick job, i.e., the footwell repairs were kind of rough, the spring on the diff lock knob was rusty, and the plastic boot on the shifter was just paited over. The steering box?? under the front right wing (rhd) was rotten through. But the chassis is really pretty nice. This one comes with a full soft top and also a hard top & safari door. This weekend I saw a 1960 88" truck cab that has been owned by an enthusiast for a while. He stripped it down to the chassis and repaired everything. I think this one is a better rover, but I don't want to get a truck cab, and I'm not sure on the cost of converting the truck cab to a station wagon (hard top). I have more leads to follow up, but I am anxious to start rovering around. Jimmy Patrick jimmyp@netcom.com work 0344-382114 jimmyp@rahul.net From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 8 15:51:32 1994 From: Spenny@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 16:39:27 -0500 Sender: Spenny@aol.com To: Land-Rover-Owner@team.net Subject: Re: looking for love in all the wrong rovers Status: RO X-Status: SWM, SWB looking for SF, SWB or LWB, interested in land rover repair, driving around without my top, and leaking fluids. I'm somewhat rusty and in need of new rubber, can I show you my layshaft? What, isn't this alt.singles.dirty rover chicks? Spenny Silli Spenni (Sorri, Sali) Spencer K. C. Norcross Spenny@aol.com Haverhill, Mass. USA 508-373-1788 (W) 508-521-4093 (H) 508-521-1380 (FAX) ===--===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===--=== 1969 IIA SWB Bugeye - The Wayback Machine Land Rovers on the Information Superhighway! What will they think of next! From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 8 16:42:25 1994 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 94 14:35:34 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Reply-To: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: lro@stratus.com Subject: Status of my 109 Status: RO X-Status: I visited my 109 Saturday. I got to see all the dirt and timing chain parts in the oil pan. The outer sleave of the cross links were breaking off and falling into the pan. Luckily the chain held together. Scotty showed me the filler tube with the baffle still attached. There was a thin layer of dirt at the lower edge of the baffle left over from it being poured down the filler tube. A particle had gotten past the filter & clogged the very fine hole in the timing chain tensioner keeping it from extending to keep the chain tight. The tensioner gears have been sharpened from the flailing chain. That accounts for the long thin shavings I found in the oil filter. The good news is that the crank, cam & followers are OK. The engine has been cleaned out, except for the pan. Replacement timing gears, chain & tensioner are ready to go into the engine. The transmission is reassembled with a new lay shaft and ready to go back in. Hopefully before long, she will roar back to life. While she is at Scottys. I have asked him to go over my swivel pins & make shure they are in like new condition. Lets see... Fresh engine & transmission.. Diff rebuilt about 2 years ago, special soft steel axles (will not crystalize), like new front end, tie rods replaced about 5 years ago,.. Frame in very good condition, newish front & rear drive shafts, new radiator, new clutch hydrolics and mechanicals from one end to the other, new power dual master brake, dual front petrol tanks, new rear petrol tank almost ready to be installed.... Mechanically she is almost sound, or will be soon. I plan to replace all her brake lines and wheel cylinders in the next six to 8 months. I have already had one line rust through. I figure its time to replace them all. Hmm she is just about mechanically sound. Not bad for a completely worn out LR I had to tow home in '78. I was standing out in Scotty's shop, talking to him and looking out at my green 109 facing me in the rain. I was thinking how nice she looked with the white tropical top, and tyre mounted on a deluxe bonnet. Her grill mounted headlamps looked so lovely under the gentle curve of the deluxe bonnet. Her new bumper with overriders at each end complimented the downward curve of the bonnet. No fancy custom plate. Just California historic plates, "7050". My car was first sold in Eastern Canada. When she was young, she immigrated to New Hampshire. He owner died and a nephew in California inherited her. She was driven out to the west coast and went on the Western crafts faire circuit for a few years until she broke down and was towed home. Her owner didn't know she need oil anywhere other than the engine. He ran her until the rear diff ran out of oil & broke, then on front wheel drive untill the transfer case ran out of oil and broke. She sat in Boulder Creek, in the hills near Santa Cruz, for about 3 years before I rescued her and took care of her. She faithfully worked for me, carying livestock, manure, firewood and feed; stringing fence, helping to build barns and more. She has taken me on many of my best trips and has been a very dependable helpmate over the years. This is the longest we have been separated since I purchased her in '78. Staring at her, I suddenly realized she is both a dream machine and a freedom train. I look at her and dream of long camping trips to senic locations, of meeting people and taking pictures. I see her taking me away from everything dull and boring, taking me to adventure and beauty. The thought that I could just load the camping gear, dog and camera into the Green rover and go looking for adventure at any time has been a great comfort. Without her at my side the dreams are a little more unreal, and my life a little grayer. Roger, how can you stand to have both your Land Rovers so far away? Scotty told me that you don't have a real place to keep them. If I were you I would move to a place where your Land ROvers could be at home. I can't wait until she comes home. Maybe she & I will celibrate by going on a short camping trip with Bear and the 4X5 camera. Bring back, oh bring back, oh bring back my Rover to me, to me My rover lies over at Scottys, My Rover lies far away, my Rover lies over at Scotty's, oh bring back my Rover to me. Living off the deep end TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards LINK: TWAKEMAN 408-974-2344 TR3A - TS75519L, MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 8 18:00:54 1994 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 18:55:34 -0500 (EST) From: Gregory Brown To: mtalbot@interserv.com Cc: Land Rover Messages to Digest Subject: Vinalhaven Rover Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: Mark, You are indeed a gutsy man. My brother-in-law, Jeff Case, went up and looked at that truck. He didn't think it would ever leave the island in one (well it did stay connected) piece. If you are interested there is a '69 IIA 88 (not a bugeye) for sale in York Harbor. Jeff looked at it and feels it is in the $500-$700 dollar range, Rusty frame, boby is so so and the engine sounds rough, but it is all there. The kid is asking $1500 for it but rumor has it he will take anything. I can't confirm this. Let me know if you want more info. ***************************** While I am writing I want to pose a question to the digest. Is a Land Rover a Car or a Truck? In my opinion anything that wades through streams, goes over mountains, blows thru mud bogs, hauls my firewood, etc. is a truck. However, I have heard references to a Land Rover as a car. (It is a babe magnet... but that is another subject). Well what are the opinions out there? greg '71 IIA 88, Never Washed Since I owned it. From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 8 23:33:31 1994 From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: Re: Vinalhaven Rover To: brow7767@mstr.hgc.edu (Gregory Brown) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 00:30:49 -0500 (EST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: from "Gregory Brown" at Nov 8, 94 06:55:34 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 708 Status: RO X-Status: > While I am writing I want to pose a question to the digest. Is a Land > Rover a Car or a Truck? In my opinion anything that wades through > streams, goes over mountains, blows thru mud bogs, hauls my firewood, > etc. is a truck. However, I have heard references to a Land Rover as a > car. (It is a babe magnet... but that is another subject). Well > what are the opinions out there? Depends on jurisdiction. There are Land Rovers here in Ottawa registered both as trucks and cars. I have seen identical Land Rovers, one with a truck plate, the other with a car plate. As I understand it in Ontario, if you know the vehicle weight and say it is a car, it is registered that way. Rgds, From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 9 00:43:25 1994 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 22:36:56 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: tomills@du.edu, sinasohn@crl.com Subject: Re: looking for love in all the wrong rovers Cc: lro@team.net Status: RO X-Status: > >What's this? Reverse discrimination? Is such a service only going to >allow ladies to date Land Rovers? Some of the men could get pretty >upset about this scheme. But maybe not: Steve Notajeep, Bill >Baloney, and Jon Pouet are already married to their Rovers, so they >wouldn't be eligible for the dating service. > > >T. F. Mills tomills@du.edu >University of Denver Library 2150 E. Evans Ave. Denver CO 80208 USA You're right, of course. Guys should be able to date Land Rovers too. Heck, here in San Francisco, we'll probably see Land Rovers dating Land Rovers! (That's not allowed in Colorado, I know.) And what about Land Rovers dating MGB's? Should we be surprised if a Land Rover wants to date a BMW, now that the sale has taken place? And what if my toaster wants to date my adjustable spanner? When will it end? I'm determined to keep an open mind. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 8 16:26:02 1994 From: "Jurgen Klus" Organization: Flinders University of S.Aust. To: LRO@TEAM.NET Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 08:46:11 GMT-0930 Subject: Stainless Bolts and things Priority: normal Status: RO X-Status: Stainless bolts etc can be a good idea, but as was indicated the other day, they can work loose. Of course they shoudn't really. They do because of the temperature dependant expansion differential of different metals. so e.g. the exhaust mainfold expands at a different rate than do the stainless bolts holding it on, therefore it works loose. Just a thought to keep in mind. My own opinion is that stainlessis O.K., but don't get carried away with it. Everything has a worthwhile application, use common sense. Jurgen Klus Tel 618 201 2413 Fax 618 201 3877 When the going gets tough..the tough get Land Rover! From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 9 05:45:14 1994 From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: looking high and low... To: jimmyp@netcom.com (Jimmy Patrick) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 94 11:42:25 GMT Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <199411081945.LAA27205@netcom.netcom.com>; from "Jimmy Patrick" at Nov 8, 94 11:45 am Status: RO X-Status: Jimmy, The soft top you describe sounds a good bet.How much was the asking price?Footwell repairs are often rough(mine are)but seem to last reasonably well (eight years to date).Do you *mean* the diff lock knob,or the yellow 4WD knob?The steering box cover under the offside wing costs little to replace,as does the gear lever rubber boot,if it offends you. If you really dont want a truck cab,fair enough,but they have advantages in winter inasmuch as there is less cab area to heat!I've seen secondhand hardtops advertised at between 100 to 150 quid.Again,the asking price would be interesting. Cheers Mike Rooth From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 9 05:46:04 1994 To: lro@team.net From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Vinalhaven Rover Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 11:45:03 UNDEFINED Status: RO X-Status: /While I am writing I want to pose a question to the digest. Is a Land /Rover a Car or a Truck? In my opinion anything that wades through The correct. British term for it is a LORRY. Dont know what word Damnfurriners would misuse. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 9 07:09:40 1994 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 08:08:13 -0500 (EST) From: Jan Hilborn To: Dixon Kenner Cc: Gregory Brown , lro@stratus.com Subject: Re: Vinalhaven Rover In-Reply-To: <9411090530.AA00462@emr1.emr.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 9 Nov 1994, Dixon Kenner wrote: > > While I am writing I want to pose a question to the digest. Is a Land > > Rover a Car or a Truck? it's a vehicle. (of course, everything in Vermont is a "vehicle" including a horse drawn wagon, a bicycle, and a road grader...). We like that gender neutral non-descriptive sorta language.... (my own vehicle is registered as a car (cuz once, long ago, it was cheaper that way) but i refer to it as a truck (or a vehicle)) From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 9 08:06:16 1994 From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: Vinalhaven Rover To: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 94 14:00:12 GMT Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: ; from "Andy Woodward" at Nov 9, 94 11:45 am Status: RO X-Status: > > /While I am writing I want to pose a question to the digest. Is a Land > /Rover a Car or a Truck? In my opinion anything that wades through > > The correct. British term for it is a LORRY. Dont know what word Damnfurriners > would misuse. > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway > +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > I reckon Jan's closest with vehicle.In truth,its neither car nor truck,nor lorry(actually,lurry is the old term),its a Land Rover. There was a great deal of ministerial soul searching when it first came out over this(money based,as usual),dear old Aunty BBC referred to it as a "Field Car",'cos they werent allowed to advertise by using REAL NAMES.In the end they all decided to call it a Land Rover.There just wasnt,and still isnt,anything else like it.It still makes me hoot when the Beeb does a report,which if it involves a Land Rover,the reporter calls it as such,while any other make is a ahem...4X4..er.. thing?What price advertising now? Cheers Mike Rooth From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 9 09:00:59 1994 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 1994 09:55:18 EST From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE) To: land-rover-owner@team.net Subject: Rovers for Sale Status: RO X-Status: Mike McCaig just sent me a list of Rovers he has for sale...it's going in the next newsletter to be out in a week or so, but I though I'd give you knuckleheads on the list a shot first. 1) 1964 109 SW. It's ugly but complete and mechanically sound. With enough parts to make a nice Rover. $2,000. 2) 1965 109 2 door. Nice body, runs well. Good restoration project. Full length top and HD springs. $2,500. 3) 1968 88. Goes where you point it! Capstan winch, rear PTO, many extras. Very good condition. $5,500. Call Mike direct at 804-581-1331 evenings or weekends or E-Mail me back direct and I'll get a message to him. *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----* | | | Sandy Grice, Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com FAX: 804-622-7056 | | Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days) 804-423-4898 (Evenings) | | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA | *------------------------------------------------------* From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 9 10:54:18 1994 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 94 08:45:30 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Reply-To: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: lro@stratus.com Subject: Re: Vinalhaven Rover Status: RO X-Status: When I purchased my 109 it had expensive comercial plates on it (required in Cal if you have a truck including a pickup). When I registered it, I asked for cheaper car plates on the grounds that the pickup top was removable and it could be a topless car like a jeep CJ, ot I could put a full size top on it so it would be like a station wagon. They looked in their books & decided to call it a utility car, same as a CJ. I got the cheaper plates. of course a copule of years later I traded them in for historical plates, but thats another story. TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards LINK: TWAKEMAN 408-974-2344 TR3A - TS75519L, MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 9 11:23:36 1994 From: "Mugele, Gerry" To: "'LRO-Digest'" Subject: Neither Beast nor Fowl Date: Wed, 09 Nov 94 09:02:00 PST Encoding: 16 TEXT Status: RO X-Status: > While I am writing I want to pose a question to the digest. Is a Land > Rover a Car or a Truck? Gee this is an easy choice. A Land Rover is a Land Rover. If its owner chooses the deluxe hard top and all the seats; clearly it can serve as a car. If its owner wishes to haul gravel and attaches the 3/4 cab, removes the bits to the rear of the seat bulkhead and uses the tailgate; certainly it is a pickup truck. And outfitted as a Dormobile it is a mobile home/camper and then there are the armored vehicles, camera platforms, farm implements, and so on... Therefore, it can best be referred to as a Land Rover (and forget about the ignorant heathens that don't understand the significance of that). Gerry Mugele '72 88' RM46 - ** Strip mining prevents forest fires From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 9 11:25:05 1994 From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: Re: Vinalhaven Rover To: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 12:15:55 -0500 (EST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9411091400.AA01046@hpc.lut.ac.uk> from "Mike Rooth" at Nov 9, 94 02:00:12 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1195 Status: RO X-Status: > There was a great deal of ministerial soul searching when it first > came out over this(money based,as usual),dear old Aunty BBC referred > to it as a "Field Car",'cos they werent allowed to advertise by using > REAL NAMES.In the end they all decided to call it a Land Rover.There > just wasnt,and still isnt,anything else like it.It still makes me hoot > when the Beeb does a report,which if it involves a Land Rover,the > reporter calls it as such,while any other make is a ahem...4X4..er.. > thing?What price advertising now? A friend of a friend was over to dinner recently (at Sandra's as Dale and others will attest, I can't cook) and much to my surprise kept refering to all 4x4's as Land Rovers. She described her vehicle as a Land Rover made by Jeep. Kind of refreshing for once... Rgds, Oh yeah, Poor Dale. Complaining of a lack of sleep after going on a cruise ship for the weekend, wants to sleep to such an extent his beer consumption is down and was whining about talking about Land Rovers last night... Very sad... Drop him a note to perk the poor boy up and get him enthusiastic about finding an engine crane so we can yank his oily diesel out Friday. From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 9 11:24:01 1994 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 12:16:30 -0500 (EST) From: Jan Hilborn To: TeriAnn Wakeman Cc: lro@stratus.com Subject: Re: is it a car or is it a Lorry? In-Reply-To: <9411091645.AA23233@apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: When i registered Holly (my '71 88") as a car he had a full length hard top. Sometime later i switched to a cabtop (altho the registration stayed the same). This caused some trouble in New York state when an alert Policeman matched my plates (Vermont DM355) with those of a known troublemaker (known to NY police anyway)... the known troublemaker was also Vermont DM355 but was a Ford *truck*. I had some explaining to do to convince the nice police officer that my vehicle really wasn't a truck (he grasped pretty quickly it wasn't a Ford...). The department of Motor Vehicles here in beautiful Vermont also spent some time talking with him before he let me drive *my* DM355 away... jan From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 9 13:55:02 1994 From: ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Subject: you can trust your Land Rover To: lro@transfer.stratus.com (Land-Rover-Owners FORUM) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 13:40:35 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1166 Status: RO X-Status: I wanted to get onto the roof of the house but all 3 of my ladders were 100 miles away at a remodeling project (yeah, that *is still* going on). I needed to get some plastic off that was covering the chimney (do this every summer). We wanted to have a fire and watch the US election results. What to do? Backed LULU up to the house and it was like walking up stairs -- bumper, bonnet, rooftop and roof. Worked great. I told Jan during the tv session (at least 5 times) that you can trust your friends (insert LULU here) to not let you down. The RR couldn't do this and you wouldn't even consider the MGB. And the neighbors weren't home. She did not generalize this friendly example and pointed out that we didn't need another "ladder". --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ray Harder Columbia, Missouri 314-882-2000 "...you are what you drive..." - 61 SIIa 88 (LULU, aka Experimental) - 66 SIIa 88 (rebuild project) - 69 SIIa 88 (parts) - 87 RR (wife's) - 80 MGB - xx --------------------------------------------------------------------- From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 9 13:54:58 1994 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 11:44:34 -0800 (PST) From: Fred Heald Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest To: Land-Rover-Owner@Team.net In-Reply-To: <199411090755.HAA10741@chunnel.uk.stratus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: Gregory Brown ponders: > While I am writing I want to pose a question to the digest. Is a Land > Rover a Car or a Truck? In my opinion anything that wades through > streams, goes over mountains, blows thru mud bogs, hauls my firewood, > etc. is a truck. However, I have heard references to a Land Rover as a > car. (It is a babe magnet... but that is another subject). Well > what are the opinions out there? It's a station wagon. That's what I keep telling the people at the insurance company. Picture: Bradymobile from hell. Fred Heald justfred@netcom.com WWW Home page: ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/justfred/fred.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Beaten paths are for beaten men" - _Unix Shell Programming_ "I don't worry about things. I do things. I get things done." -Donald Trump ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 9 14:48:07 1994 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 94 15:03:40 EST From: Brian Willoughby Subject: Are L-Rs cars or trucks and LRO & LRW Subscriptions To: land-rover-owner@TEAM.NET Status: RO X-Status: Land-Rovers are considered cars by what was once an authority in this matter: World Cars. This fine publication is no longer in print though was produced yearly up until '85 by the Automobile Club of Italy. The oldest copy I have been able to scrounge up is a '74 edition and Land-Rovers are listed under The Rover Company Ltd. along with the P5Bs and P6 2200s and 3500s. It is interesting to note that Jeep was not listed until much later and the same goes for Toyota's Landcruiser and Nissan's Patrol, both of which have been made since the late '50's. The L-R set the standard as being a car. I prefer to use the term "field car" to refer to mine. That denotes that it is neither purely a car or a truck. The only problem with such classification schemes is what to do with the pick-ups. They do not receive listings beside their fellow L-R brethen. Also, mine is registered in Missouri and that state classifies it as a car. (That's assuming that the DMV actually knows what it is in the first place; some drone there titled it as a 1960 Jeep years before I bought it.) In Kentucky, you can have your choice, car or truck, as you wish. I prefer to think of it and to call it a car. It removes all the Bubba and his Red-neck friends associations that most people tend to conjure up when referring to trucks. After all, would the Queen really inspect the troops in a truck? Remember, too, that when the L-R was introduced, the British taxmen did not know what to do with it. They couldn't decide what the thing was and for a while, one of the benefits of owning a L-R was that you got out of paying taxes. Finally, a special tax rate was devised for the L-R. And what of the BBC. Remember that they refused to use "brand names" on the air since this was considered advertising. Rover got tired of the Beeb calling their vehicles "Jeeps" or "trucks" and insisted that the BBC use the right term. I believe that this is one of the few products ever bestowed such an honour during that period of time in the 1950's. So, I guess that L-Rs are neither cars nor trucks, though just Land-Rovers, a class they have to them- selves. Now, does anybody have the American subscription information for LRO and LRW that they would share with me? I would be much obliged. Thanks. Brian Willoughby bawill01@ukcc.uky.edu 1960 Series II Station Wagon 88" Somebody was wanting to compile a list of names; mine is H.R.H. L. R. Rafiki. From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 9 15:14:55 1994 Posted-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 13:00:38 -0800 >From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: lro@team.net Subject: Shock Absorbers Reply-To: bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil Date: Wed, 09 Nov 1994 13:00:33 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Status: RO X-Status: Now that I'm gainfully employed, it is time to start replacing parts that need to berplaced, but aren't dead yet. One of the first things on my list are the shock absorbers. The current ones are on their last legs (one is leaking oil) and I haven't the foggiest idea if they are genuine parts or whatever fit. In anycase I haven't been happy with the shocks and want to fit heavy duty shocks. I figured this would be a good idea since from now on a lot of my driving will be on washboarded dirt roads. While I was down at British Pacific last weekend getting a new starter motor (New ones are nice, no need to undo the bolts to the exhaust pipe/exhaust manifold junction any more) they mentioned gas shock abosrbers. So my question is: What are the advantages between heavy duty hydrolic shock absorbers and gas shock absorbers? (I hear gas ones run about $80 US apiece) -Benjamin Smith ---------------- Science Applications Internation Corporation China Lake Naval Air Weapons Center bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil 1972 Land Rover Series III 88 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 2 12:56:32 1994 Via: uk.ac.edinburgh.castle; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 16:30:28 +0000 From: Mr Ian Stuart Organization: Vet-lab,The Univ of Edinburgh To: lro@team.net Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 16:30:03 +0000 Subject: SLROC enduro (not short) Priority: normal Status: RO X-Status: (if this is a duplicate posting, I'm sorry (a bit)) Those of you who spotted the blurb about the SLROC enduro-race can skip this bit -- for the rest, a quick description of what it was all about: The Scottish Land Rover Owners Club decided to have a trials/comp-safari type race with a difference: instead of racing round the track as fast as possible and the fasted one wins, they decided to have a drive-for-6-hours type race, and the one with the greatest number of laps would win. Here are my thoughts from the day: --------------------------------------------------- My first Marshalling (Otherwise called a view from the mist) It is 6 in the morning I must be absolutely mad to do this. I packed last night (food and a change of clothes). I've just got my thermos of tea to make and then cycle off to go and meet Rupert and his 101 for the drive down to Galashiels. It's supposed to be an 8 am start for us marshals. It is now 8.15 am in the morning. We've driven down from Edinburgh in the 101 and we've actually managed to find the site. The 101 is very comfortable for short journeys, but I'd have to change th e seats for any trips over an hour. We are currently driving along the dirt track with large cardboard signs along the side that says please drive on the track. It is a bit misty so we are not too sure where we're aiming for, but we're getting there. We've just spotted a Range Rover in the mist. We have found the farmer who has lent us the land for the weekend. He's the one who's been putting out the signs. As we are the first to arrive, I've been roped into organising the parking: spectator s here & competitors over there. The farmer has also promised to find a couple of helpers to do the parking so that we can get off to the marshals meeting when it happens. It is coming up for 9 o'clock. Scrutineering starts soon. It's still around here at the moment, hopefully it will clear. Not many people have turned up yet, so I've been left to deal with t he parking a bit longer. Hopefully the actual parking people will turn up soon and I'll be able to go and do my real job - which is marshalling the race. We've been assigned Marshalling radio Lowbox 3 and sent off to the top of the course. When we get there, discovered another little problem, a 90 degree right-hander with a forest of young trees on th e outside, so we are going to go and sit on that as well. It is still misty and the competitors have been round the course once. The mist is so think that we can see 200 yards either side of our station, and no more. After seeing the way these guys are treating the right-hander, we have re-positioned ourselves out so that we can pull people from the midst of the trees (they appear to be sliding broad-side into th e fence). Now we wait for the sound of the first car screaming along the road at some ridiculous speed trying to break his own neck. It promises to be a very entertaining (if visually limited) day. The racers have now been round the course twice and the drivers are getting used to the course. Just close to our observation point there is a small lump in one side of the track. This appears to b e causing the cars some difficulty. They are coming down fairly fast (30-40 mph) and when they hit that it actually throws them off to one side. We've already had one of the posts hit a couple of time so this fence looks as if it is going to go by the end of the day. After that they are coming up to what used to be the right-angled bend that is now well and truly cut up so I expect the trees will start to go soon as well. It is now an hour - hour-and-a-half into the race and we can tell who has got good tyres. The surface here is fairly loamy, cut up into loose top soil with grass in it, no mud, and the knobbly maxc ross tyres are definitely making better progress through this than things like SATs and other patterned tyres. Once of the problems of course of these high grip tyres is the amount of crap that they throw up as they accelerate out of the bend. This corner isn't so much cut up as trenched! The course itself appeared to be about 2 miles long - I didn't discover this until afterwards when I was clearing everything up. It starts from the starter's caravan, down through the gorse hill on one side of the glen, across the first field through a small water splash - a stream, up a long uphill race through a gate in a stone wall, up a one foot lip, through a second stone gate, sharp lef t along a narrow track between a high embankment and some trees along sharp right, very sharp right with trees and fence on the outside (our first Marshall point) and then there was a long open strai ght across the top of the other side of the glen, which eventually cut back into the quarry to a very steep drop, sort of 35-40 degrees down (we almost toppled the 101 going down it)! As soon as the drop flattened out the track turned sharp left along the bottom of the quarry down a little bit stone embankment, back along the quarry floor and into the horseshoes. These were 3 U-turns straddlin g a grassy dell. The track went up the hill on one side 180 degree turn, down and up on the other side (that must have been a good 1-in-2 to 1-in-1 slope up that hill), U-turn down, U-turn back up ag ain into an embanked turn after a gentle climb, back through the first stone wall, with a one-foot drop just before the gate. Back through the lower field, break hard, through the (very muddy) water splash, and then blast up the hill back up to the starter's gate. Up near the spectators there was a little bit of twisty up and down track to make it nice and interesting for people. I suppose I really ought to describe some of the vehicles going round this course: A green 90, no windscreen (number 32), a very chopped racer An orange 90 (number 2), a soft top over the roll-cage and a grilled tailgate. A SIIA, number 22 or 33 (depending on which of the two badges you look at). It' a purple pick-up and sounds like it's a 2.25 having great fun. A white 90, severely hacked, it's got virtually no dash board whatsoever. Almost everything has been removed that is not needed. By the way - he has a green "L-plate" on the back. A blue ex-SIII. This has twin headlights in each wing, and has also got square cut wings as well. Full roll cage, no top, no soft top, nothing. A highly modified Range Rover (number 97). This is a full spec (hard-topped) racer, having great fun chewing massive great holes. A blue 90 (number 25), sounds pretty much a normal 90. This is a road-taxed 90 and he's having fun. The driver is a youngster (age 17 I discovered later) We have now moved positions we have joined a 90 station wagon. We're pulling people out when they get stuck, he's having too much to do. Life's going to be far more interesting now. We are now just over half-way through the race and it is surprising the number of leaf sprung vehicles that are still running despite the hammering that they are getting. The average speed on some of the open bits is approaching 70mph for the serious racing machines There have a number of minor accidents - Alex Lindsay lost a propshaft and tore the leaves of half an axle; Sheila Wilson also lost a propshaft. We have a number of Marshall's spoils in the back of our vehicle: half an exhaust pipe; the wheel fairing from a 90; and the rear gate from the orange 90. One of the vehicles, no. 25, to be precise, has become intimate with some trees, but he is stil l running. Another of the 90's has smacked his nearside wing of something and it's peeled back, flapping along the ground with the whole of the engine bay exposed to the world. Well that is it. It's all over, everybody has packed up; everything is pulled in. It is 5 o'clock and getting dark. It's probably going home time. We are just going down to find out what is happen ing and then head back to Edinburgh. We did manage to have a quick run round the course as we pulled in the course markers -- the drop down into the quarry was very nasty. We almost tipped the 101 on to it's side there (reports say that the rear wheel was over 2 feet off the ground!) The day is done and it is time reflect on all the things that have happened during the past day. Well we started off with about 9 racers: Two of them were taken out due drive train damage. The Range Rover retired with electrical problems One of the 90's I know was taken out due to lack of fuel. He just didn't have enough fuel for 6 hours driving. We have three people running at the end and the rest retired after suffering various amounts of body damage. The winner? Oh, I don't know :) I think that it was the SIII with the twin headlamps. ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 31 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. WWW sites: Work -- Play -- #======================================================================# I'm not a computing nerd, I'm a computing geek. |Land Rover owners do Geeks are much higher up the evolutionary chain. | it in the mud. From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 9 15:48:15 1994 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 94 13:38:40 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" Reply-To: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: lro@stratus.com Subject: Dormobile conversion company still there? Status: RO X-Status: Does anyone know if Martin Walter Ltd, Dormobile Works in Flokestone England still supports Dormobiles with parts? If yes, anyone have a FAX number for them? TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards LINK: TWAKEMAN 408-974-2344 TR3A - TS75519L, MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 9 17:30:05 1994 From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: 1001 uses for Waxoyl To: lro@team.net Date: Wed, 9 Nov 94 17:44:24 EST Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.36.1.1] Status: RO X-Status: Last weekend I brought Nigel up to the local power-washer and got all the gunk off his underbelly. This caused great concern of the owner, as his water reclaimation system was apparently taxed quite heavily, or so he thought after looking at what had been removed. "Can't you read?? No washing the motor!". "I'm not washing the motor, just cleaning off the chassis." "What's all this grease and grime, then?? I tell you, stop washing off the motor......" "But, but....this is a british car-there's grease and grime EVERYWHERE." I kept on going, since I'd just dumped ten bucks into the thing and my time was clicking away. After the cleaning I let Nige dry out overnight. On sunday, and before the rain arrived, I broke out my fresh waxoyl kit I purchased from Moss Motors and started sprayin' him down. It took me awhile to get the hang of it.....initially, I just scanned the can for directions but found none-it was only loaded with "what-to's" and not "how-to's", and besides, it was self explanatory....just spray it on. After my first unsuccessful attempts at spraying (it was like oozing snot on a wand) I looked more carefully at the instructions. Ahhhh,"shake well before using" and "may be diluted with 10% mineral spirits" were written on the can. I took a long hard look at the stuff in the can and decided it needed more than a shake (and all attempts at shaking seemed to do little good)....so I marched up to the house, threw on a large kettle of water, heated it up on the stove, removed the heat, and tossed the can into it. 20 minutes later it was free flowing and could even be shaken. Back out to the field (Nigel's workspace), crank up the pump, oozing snot again at first, then like magic it sprayed just like it was supposeed to. Threw a total of two gallons onto the boy's frame, springs, axles, and assorted other underparts, being careful to get it into those nooks and crannies so often filled with rust and crap. Grapped a rag and soaked it in the gook, then wiped down the entire body. When I was finished I went back up to the house to clean up. Looked in the mirror and my hair was standing straight up, like it usually does but even more so. Then found that I could make it do anything I wanted, and did my impersonations of everyone from Eddie Munster to Bart Simpson to James Dean. Never was much in favor of hair tonics nor moose, but this waxoyl stuff is definately for me! rd/nige From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 9 18:08:42 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Wed, 09 Nov 1994 18:56:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: 1001 uses for Waxoyl To: dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO X-Status: Russell has fun with Waxoyl.... > After the cleaning I let Nige dry out overnight. On sunday, and > before the rain arrived, I broke out my fresh waxoyl kit I purchased > from Moss Motors and started sprayin' him down. It took me awhile -snip- > > When I was finished I went back up to the house to clean up. Looked > in the mirror and my hair was standing straight up, like it usually > does but even more so. Then found that I could make it do anything I > wanted, and did my impersonations of everyone from Eddie Munster to > Bart Simpson to James Dean. Never was much in favor of hair tonics > nor moose, but this waxoyl stuff is definately for me! > And it's a dessert topping AND a floor wax, too! HEHEHEHEHe Cheers Mike From thelist@griffin.itc.gu.edu.au Wed Nov 9 19:52:13 1994 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 94 11:50:24 +1000 Reply-To: thelist@gu.edu.au Sender: thelist@gu.edu.au Precedence: bulk From: David Rittenhouse To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: THE 2.0 keys and prefix area Status: RO X-Status: Hi again all, When doing 'set cmdarrows tab', I can now move my cursor about, but can't "get" to the prefix area. While experimenting with 1.5, I found that the command necessary to navigate the cursor wherever I wanted (prefix area included), was 'set cmdarrows tab scroll tab'. After looking at commset1.c where cmdarrows is, it would appear the only parameter to set cmdarrows is tab. How do I get to the prefix area now ? Also, The prefix (and other areas) are in nasty reverse video, I tried 'set color prefix normal' and that fixed it, but 'set color prefix normal' won't work from profile.the I hope there's a way around this... - Dave From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 9 20:14:40 1994 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 18:09:07 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: jimmyp@netcom.com, lro@team.net Subject: Re: looking high and low... Status: RO X-Status: >This weekend I saw a 1960 88" truck cab that has been owned by an >enthusiast for a while. He stripped it down to the chassis and repaired >everything. I think this one is a better rover, but I don't want to get a >truck cab, and I'm not sure on the cost of converting the truck cab to a >station wagon (hard top). > >I have more leads to follow up, but I am anxious to start rovering around. > >Jimmy Patrick >jimmyp@netcom.com work 0344-382114 >jimmyp@rahul.net I dunno about the *cost* of converting a pickup to a hard top, but I can't imagine that it would cost too much over there to pick up some sides and a top. Doing it is a piece of cake. If *I* can do it, *anybody* can do it! Also, if you're planning on bringing back to the states, hang on to the pick up top -- they're hard to find over here. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 9 20:13:54 1994 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 18:09:19 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: twakeman@apple.com Subject: Re: Status of my 109 Cc: lro@stratus.com Status: RO X-Status: Sounds like the damage is not too bad! That's definitely good news! Your Rover sure means a lot to you. I can sympathize, though living in the city (with Muni & Bart) I don't need a vehicle that much. Glad to hear she's almost completely ship-shape! I would have room for both Rovers, if only I could figure out what to do with my mom's dead citron [misspelling intentional]. }8^{ But they're both waiting for some work to be done: The 88" was smoking so bad I got reported to 1-800-exhaust on the way to Scotty's. The engine also seems overly noisy, and gas mileage is pretty bad (about 10 mpg mostly fwy with radial rovers and no od). These are all probably the same problem. The 109" desparately needs an oil change, which I could probably do myself without screwing it up too much, but better safe than sorry, eh? Also, the parking brake linkage fell apart or something. And then of course, there's the when ever power is applied or released from the drive train -- probably that sloppy rear diff. So they're both at Scotty's for now. I've told him "no hurry", and you know he's not getting a whole lot done in a hurry anyway these days. Plus, yours and a few others take precedence, I figger. I also take the bus to work to try and cut down on congestion and smog, though I don't know how much longer that will last. (Muni never gets anywhere on time, so I miss the free shuttle, so it ends up costing more than driving, even at 10mpg, and it only takes 10min by car versus 1hr+/- by bus.) I do miss them, but I get to see them pretty often. Plus I've got the net, my miniatures, mags, photos, etc. to keep me happy. Anyway, sorry to ramble so... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 9 20:14:37 1994 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 18:09:24 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: brow7767@mstr.hgc.edu, mtalbot@interserv.com Subject: A Land Rover is a . . . Cc: land-rover-owner@team.net Status: RO X-Status: >While I am writing I want to pose a question to the digest. Is a Land >Rover a Car or a Truck? In my opinion anything that wades through >streams, goes over mountains, blows thru mud bogs, hauls my firewood, >etc. is a truck. However, I have heard references to a Land Rover as a >car. (It is a babe magnet... but that is another subject). Well >what are the opinions out there? > >greg >'71 IIA 88, Never Washed Since I owned it. It's neither; It's a *vehicle*! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 9 21:11:25 1994 From: Russell Burns Subject: Car or Truck To: lro@stratus.com Date: Wed, 9 Nov 94 19:06:27 PST Status: RO X-Status: I think the proper English interpretation of Land-Rover is square box on wheels. A Land-Rover is more like a kids go cart. It can be whatever one wants, Car, truck, boat, submarine, Jungle gym (ask my daughter), flower planter, or any think else ones imagination can come up with. I even think I can use a D-90 as a 100 mile a day commuter vehicle. To classify a Rover as a car, or truck is short changing it. Think of it as a tool of your imagination... Russ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 9 21:50:39 1994 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:45:11 -0500 (EST) From: Steven M Denis Subject: Re: rust..... To: Dale Desprey Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1529 Status: RO X-Status: at least its not a *diesel*"too cee vee" On the rover front,we got 2 wings (1 good), bulkhead,sorta so-so.fuel tank..*was* good.....transmission..who knows..and a diesel engine that "*did* run".....no *sh-t*, man...it would have been one *hell* of a salesman to move a vehicle off the floor that didn't run....I guess i shoulda asked "who was president when it ran last?" it seems to be seised....but all I have is the small crank to turn it with and a big old "Let's build us a *BUMPER* Earl" that kinda gets in the way of a clear shot at the crank dog...... If I get this thing to run and drop it in the 109sw,(can a Land Rover actually cringe?) can I join the internatioinal order of practicing momentumists? These are the velosity impared indivduals that take out their frustrations on fellow motorists by spewing soot hither and yon The leader of this (in)famous group resides in the northern reaches of the UK,near a body of 80 proof water with the most unlikley name of "The Firth of Clyde"...I'm *sure* it was called something else,but the locals,being sloshed by breathing the fumes from their beer soaked sweaters,could only manage that garbled reply when asked for the name.... steve....... "HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..." "NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon Steven M. Denis " "-1957 107 Station Wagon PO Box 61 " "-1964 109 Pickup Erieville,New York USA " "_1967 109 NADA SW 13061 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 9 22:31:04 1994 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 20:28:46 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: lro@stratus.com From: jfhess@ucdavis.edu (john hess) Subject: cross country trip Status: RO X-Status: Howdy all, I just lost my first letter and don't feel like typing the whole thing over. Key points were: please don't ftp to my computer during 8-5 california time. I can't predict how my actions over the net will impact your attempts to download photos but .... I am saving all your suggestions and have a couple of questions so far. 6 cyl 2.6 engine. I would feel better adding a lead substitute to the gas so as to minimize the chances of burning a valve. Any suggestions? Anyone have big objections to running dot 5 silicone in the brakes and clutch? I do on my Tiger and the soon to be new to me rover has it now. Can I bypass a broken brake booster with a length of brake line and a connector if I need to? I did in my tiger but it's just a touch lighter. Any pointers on driving with the OD? Use, shifting, oil level checking? Any pointers on FW hubs? Do they really have to be engaged 10 miles every 50?! I think that's what I read somewhere. Bye, cheers, post here to answer me directly PS ijust picked up the october LROI at the local magazine shop. john f hess phd (wow, really?) jfhess@ucdavis.edu from home via modem A From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 9 22:42:47 1994 From: "T.F. Mills" Subject: Re: looking for love in all the wrong rovers To: Spenny@aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 21:40:29 -0700 (MST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9411081639203461031@aol.com> from "Spenny@aol.com" at Nov 8, 94 04:39:27 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 530 Status: RO X-Status: Silli Spenni scripsi: < SWM, SWB looking for SF, SWB or LWB, interested in land rover repair, driving < around without my top, and leaking fluids. I'm somewhat rusty and in need of < new rubber, can I show you my layshaft? < What, isn't this alt.singles.dirty rover chicks? < Silli Spenni (Sorri, Sali) Screwi Sali says no need for apologi, but beware the self-lubricating wench. T. F. Mills tomills@du.edu Universiti of Denver Librari 2150 E. Evans Ave. Denver CO 80208 USA From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 10 00:57:22 1994 From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: Re: cross country trip To: jfhess@ucdavis.edu (john hess) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 01:55:31 -0500 (EST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <199411100428.UAA14649@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu> from "john hess" at Nov 9, 94 08:28:46 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1422 Status: RO X-Status: > 6 cyl 2.6 engine. I would feel better adding a lead substitute to the gas > so as to minimize the chances of burning a valve. Any suggestions? With no mmt in the gasoline, or other real lead substitutes that I can think of, I'd say this might not be a bad idea. The last thing you want to have happen is to have problems with the 2.6. > Anyone have big objections to running dot 5 silicone in the brakes and > clutch? I do on my Tiger and the soon to be new to me rover has it now. Nope. Obviously just don't mix with something else. > Can I bypass a broken brake booster with a length of brake line and a > connector if I need to? I did in my tiger but it's just a touch lighter. Good question. I don't see why not, but the bore on the master might be smaller than on the 109 4cyl Station Wagon, thus inadequate braking. (A 109 can be a pig to stop...) > Any pointers on driving with the OD? Use, shifting, oil level checking? Check often, keep it topped us, use only in 3rd and 4th gear. It is for the highway, not mud slogging. > Any pointers on FW hubs? Do they really have to be engaged 10 miles every > 50?! I think that's what I read somewhere. Unless you are driving long distances on the highway, I'd say leave them engaged all the time. The front shafts need to turn to throw the gear oil about for lubrication. Otherwise the seals etc. could start to dry out. Rgds, From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 10 05:04:19 1994 To: lro@team.net From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: you can trust your Land Rover Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 11:03:16 UNDEFINED Status: RO X-Status: /I wanted to get onto the roof of the house but all /3 of my ladders were 100 miles away at a remodeling /project (yeah, that *is still* going on). I needed /to get some plastic off that was covering the /chimney (do this every summer). We wanted to have /a fire and watch the US election results. What /to do? Backed LULU up to the house and it /was like walking up stairs -- bumper, bonnet, rooftop /and roof. Worked great. Yep. They're great for seeing over crowds (just put a sunlounger on teh roof adn relax in comfort to teh hate-stares of all those round you who cant see....) Or for picking all teh best fruit no-one else can reach... Or for finding out where the hell you are........ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 10 05:12:08 1994 To: lro@team.net From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: 1001 uses for Waxoyl Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 11:09:41 UNDEFINED Status: RO X-Status: /it on. After my first unsuccessful attempts at spraying (it was /like oozing snot on a wand) I looked more carefully at the instructions. /Ahhhh,"shake well before using" and "may be diluted with 10% mineral /spirits" were written on the can. I took a long hard look at the /stuff in the can and decided it needed more than a shake (and all /attempts at shaking seemed to do little good)....so I marched up /to the house, threw on a large kettle of water, heated it up on /the stove, removed the heat, and tossed the can into it. 20 /minutes later it was free flowing and could even be shaken. Back /out to the field (Nigel's workspace), crank up the pump, oozing snot /again at first, then like magic it sprayed just like it was supposeed This is the favorite way to get it on thick. Boiling water in a bucket. Alternativel;y, thin it about 50/50 with diesel. I use method one for teh annual chassis spray,an keep a hand flower-sprayer full of method 2 for on teh fly touch ups. /to. Threw a total of two gallons onto the boy's frame, springs, axles, and assorted other underparts, being careful to get it into those nooks and crannies so often filled with rust and crap. Grapped a rag You can get a VERY useful little accessory for teh pressure pump. It's like a 4 foot tube with a nail in the end. You shove it into every hole you can find in teh chassis, the nail spreads teh fan out perpendicular to teh tube, so you can spray the INSIDE of all teh chassis members too. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 10 05:28:00 1994 To: lro@team.net From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: DOT 5 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 11:13:24 UNDEFINED Status: RO X-Status: /Anyone have big objections to running dot 5 silicone in the brakes and /clutch? I do on my Tiger and the soon to be new to me rover has it now. Wouldnt touch the stuff. It's more spongy than 3 or 4, adn can rot brake lines adn seals unless they are designed for it. No great advantage unless you run your brakes red hot all teh time anyway. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 10 05:21:54 1994 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 06:19:11 -0500 From: William Caloccia To: lro@team.net Subject: '69 S.IIa 88" for sale Cc: mcman@sw.stratus.com Status: RO X-Status: 1969 Land Rover Series IIa 88" (short wheel base, 3 doors), 56,500 mi $3000. Mechanically good condition (Inspected, registered, etc. in NYS) Part-time Four Wheel Drive w/ Free Wheeling front hubs recent mechanical bits: water pump, GM altenator, exhaust various: tie-rod ends, wheel bearings, brake lines, & wheel cyl. radiator cleaned & repaired, hoses ,etc rebuilt fuel pump, replaced fuel line from tank, (used) rear diff needs: footbox/bulkhead welding work, (both footboxes and door posts included) Solid frame recent frame work: outriggers p.o. frame work: spring hangers Body: blue/limestone top, black painted trim, a couple of minor dings (one on the wing, & a not-quite straight rocker panel) Station wagon hard top (sliding side windows, rear bench seats, interior trim) complete with Tire w/ Jack, Hand crank & monster lug wrench Extras: Ignition kill switch Hood Lock (medeco key, from inside) am/fm radio (neither I nor the previous owner(s) could decide where to fix it, so you can attach to whatever you want) Assorted spare parts History: Owned by a VW mechanic in Allston, Ma for the first 18 years, second owner used it to pull his fishing boat, third owner owned an S.III in college, and found he like the idea of owning a rover more than he did working on it. I've had it for five years. Reason for sale: I'm in the U.K. and it isn't. Availability: Now, vehicle in Troy, NY Contact: Bill Caloccia (caloccia@team.net) (in UK) [If interested, I'll put you in touch with someone who can show you the Rover.] From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 10 05:33:17 1994 From: Spenny@aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 06:31:09 -0500 To: Land-Rover-Owner@team.net Subject: Re: off the deep end Status: RO X-Status: TeriAnn writes This is the longest we have been separated since I purchased her in '78. Staring at her, I suddenly realized she is both a dream machine and a freedom train. TeriAnn, i can sympathize I heard my rover make noise for the first time in close to 2 years sunday, my just fix a few things quickly turned into a nightmare project, & I live in an apartment with little space to work on my rover so another rover friend has been kind enough to let me have my beast sit in his yard for the last two years. I am looking forward to some of the same things, but since the wayback machine is my only vehicle, I am also looking forward to not having to walk to work in the snow and rain, and not borrow cars from friends to go to the supermarket. the best part of finishing the wayback machine (very soon) is i'm going to park it on top of the cars of my friends that told me that I was crazy, It would never run again, etc. One of which drives a shitbox that breaks down and leaves him stranded once a month. Living off the deep end in MA Spenny Spencer K. C. Norcross Spenny@aol.com Haverhill, Mass. USA 508-373-1788 (W) 508-521-4093 (H) 508-521-1380 (FAX) ===--===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===--=== 1969 IIA SWB Bugeye - The Wayback Machine Land Rovers on the Information Superhighway! What will they think of next! From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 10 06:47:00 1994 Via: uk.ac.aston; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 12:14:07 +0000 From: "Christopher E.J. SPEIGHT" Organization: Aston University To: LRO@Stratus.com Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 12:13:17 GMT+1 Subject: LRO Mailing List Priority: normal Status: RO X-Status: Please include my address on your EMail Mailing list for Land Rover Information Thanks Chris Speight speigcej@sun.aston.ac.uk From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 10 07:40:01 1994 Date: 10 Nov 94 08:27:29 EST From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> To: lro Subject: Status of TeriAnns 109 Status: RO X-Status: ... >I was standing out in Scotty's shop, talking to him and looking out at my >green 109 facing me in the rain. I was thinking how nice she looked with the >... This elegy is definitely a serious candidate for the lro-faq, possibly under a heading like "A Bad Case of Land Rover Blues", or perhaps "Psychopathology of the Land Rover Owner - A Case Study" Stefan From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 10 07:35:26 1994 Date: 10 Nov 94 08:28:22 EST From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> To: lro Subject: Re: Vinalhaven Rover Status: RO X-Status: Gregory Brown wonders: >While I am writing I want to pose a question to the digest. Is a Land >Rover a Car or a Truck? In my opinion anything that wades through Neither; it's a sort of agile tractor where you can sit in the dry when it rains (well, more or less...). Actually, Mercedes (you know, the folks who make these ridiculously overpriced cars) went the right way by calling their 4x4 truck UNIMOG, an acronym for "UNIversal-MOtor-Geraet", which translates simply to 'universal motor-driven appliance' - in other words, it's got a motor, and you can use it for all sorts of things ... even for driving. I believe the same applies to the Land Rover. Stefan From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 10 07:35:38 1994 Date: 10 Nov 94 08:29:10 EST From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> To: lro Subject: Re: cross country trip; misc Status: RO X-Status: John Hess (jfhess@ucdavis.edu) asks: >6 cyl 2.6 engine. I would feel better adding a lead substitute to the gas >so as to minimize the chances of burning a valve. Any suggestions? My suggestion: Throw out the 6 cyl. and get a V8; much more power, much less consumption, and no need for lead-related hanky-panky. But then that's your decision. If you're happy with the six-banger... >Can I bypass a broken brake booster with a length of brake line and a >connector if I need to? I did in my tiger but it's just a touch lighter. DON'T !! The servo master brake cylinder has totally different ratings and measurements than the non-assisted master, even if they 'look' the same from the outside. If you use the the servo master 'raw' without the booster, you might as well wrap a japanese bandana round your head and go downhill screaming "BANZAI" ... |-> Simply changing to a non-servo assisted master won't do, either. You would need to change the entire pedal bracket/suspension-setup, as angles, rod lengts, travel etc. are different between the two systems. Land Rovers may be simple, but not *that* simple (not the S.III, anyway). Take care, Stefan From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 10 07:56:27 1994 Date: 10 Nov 94 08:51:05 EST From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com> To: Landy Subject: Touble Dialing in Sgt Major Status: RO X-Status: Folks: For the first time, I am having some trouble dialing in the carb on the Sgt. Major ('62 IIa88 Military w. Solex-built Zenith-designed Carb). My problem is this: acceleration is nil if I do not have the choke pulled out. It sputters and gasps. When the choke is out about 1/3rd the way and engine revs come up just a bit, it works perfectly. Then, when at cruising speed, I can push in the choke and it has good power. It cruises beautifully at 65 and will do so all day... It's only when accelerating from a stop that I have a problem. I rebuilt the carb earlier this fall, the accelerator pump is good (shoots a good stream of gas when I depress the accelerator). The timing also seems to be good, though it does sputter a bit on decelaration... no backfiring, just kind of a phut phut which it has always done. The only thing I can think of is that the engine is not getting warm enough to go off choke... it has the double-core radiator, 8-blade "africa" fan and an oil cooler -- and my recent addition of a heater has not helped. It was a setup perfect for Houston but not exactly what I would choose for Ohio in Winter. I think a Radiator muff is in order. Anyone have any tips on what is going on? Is my carb adjusted wrong? I thought I had it right, but, after all, it's a Land Rover and "right" is a relative thing. Can anyone suggest a setup procedure that might work? Thanks for any advice or help. R. P. Reid From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 10 08:00:41 1994 Date: 10 Nov 94 08:55:54 EST From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com> To: Landy Subject: Is it car or truck Status: RO X-Status: Car or Truck?? In fact, the 109 Safari Wagons were registered in Great Britain as a bus at one point because it seats 12 people. Without the middle seat in front, it seats only 11 and was MOT'd as a car or truck and cost far more to register. Rover made a conscious decision when they were developing the SerIII Wagon to leave the seat in the front so that it fit in the bus MOT category. I don't know what they might have been thinking of replacing the seat with... console, I suppose. Regards, R. P. Reid (Looking forward to the Last Gasp rally this weekend... bring on the mud!) From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 10 08:40:55 1994 From: Russell Burns Subject: Re: Defender Questions To: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 94 6:37:04 PST Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: ; from "maloney" at Nov 10, 94 9:52 am Status: RO X-Status: Bill, The demo was 25900 with a soft top. I wanted yellow, but the Blue was $3000 cheaper. After all most of the color washes off in a few years anyway. Other than the full hardtop there were no options. I did use some 1.25x1.25" square steel tube to raise the drives seat. This was a big improvment. Even my wife likes it higher. Last night I got a few yards of Dynomat and soundproofed the rear cargo area, and the doors. This is a big improvment as I can now here the radio at 70 MPH. I will have to order some more to do the front floors, transmission hump, and bonnet. If it was not so expensive I might even consider applying it to the soft top..... Russ > > From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 10 10:38:13 1994 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 17:25:04 +0200 (METDST) From: S|ren Vels Christensen Subject: Re: Is it car or truck To: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: <941110135554_70004.4011_FHT27-1@CompuServe.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: Depends on the colour. -On the licence plates. Over here (Denmark) we have two different licence plate colours. White: White is for regular cars. Vehicles with back seats, mainly for transportation of passengers. Yellow: Is for cars (trucks) with only front seats. Annual road tax (by weight) is about one third of cars. No persons in the back. Not even when camping. Any car can be registered as a truck (with the back seats out). With the weight and fuel economy af a Land-Rover, most LR's are registered as trucks. But there is a price to pay. Everey second year, MoT --==<<(( INSPECTION ))>>==-- Thats why most LROs over here has a nice tan on the legs, and on the torso and arms a maggot-white colour with oil-black, dirt-brown, rust-red dots. Mine is a truck, but i usually refer to it as a Land-Rover. +----------------------------+--------------------------------+ | Soren Vels | 1976 sIII 109" 2.25 petrol | | velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk | "Lawrence of Arabia" | ((|||)) | Royal Danish Air Force | Dansk Land-Rover Klub no. 3564 | ((|||)) | Communications Specialist | DL-RK: Approx. 1000 members. | ((|||)) +----------------------------+--------------------------------+__((|||))______ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 10 09:43:01 1994 From: Russell Burns Subject: Re: Defender Questions To: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 94 7:40:24 PST Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: ; from "maloney" at Nov 10, 94 11:17 am Status: RO X-Status: Bill, For 12 years my wife and I have been trying to get a red car/truck. what we have found is that Red is $2k to $3k more expensive than the same model in blue. so our last 4 vehicles have been blue. When the Rover dealer had this demo advertised we knew our red or yellow defender would be blue. Since blue trucks are allmost becoming a tradition in our household it seems a shame to buy any other color. (we bought our first couch because we both aggreed it was ugly) Russ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 10 09:51:27 1994 From: Mark V Grieshaber Subject: Re: DOT 5 To: lro@team.net Date: Thu, 10 Nov 94 9:46:50 CST In-Reply-To: ; from "Andy Woodward" at Nov 10, 94 11:13 am Status: RO X-Status: Andy Woodward said (referring to DOT 5 Silicone fluid): > > Wouldnt touch the stuff. It's more spongy than 3 or 4, adn can rot brake lines > adn seals unless they are designed for it. > > No great advantage unless you run your brakes red hot all teh time anyway. I have used it for a year now in my Black 1978 Datsun 280Z. I detect *zero* feel or performance difference in brake and clutch systems between it and my other 1978 280Z which is still on DOT3 fluid. No leaks, no rotting brake lines. Though I don't run the brakes red hot *all* the time, I did choose Silicone fluid for its minimal moisture absorbing properties. Both of my Zs are in great shape, and I plan on keeping them for many years, so I wanted to protect the brake components as much as possible. Literature I have read states that DOT5 Silicone fluid is compatible with *all* brake system components (various rubbers, metals usually found in such hydraulic systems). Were it not for the stock of new Castrol LMA I have waiting, I would put DOT5 in my Land Rover as well, for the same reasons. And for those red hot brakes. ;) Just another data point. Mark mvgrie@shute.monsanto.com From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 10 10:38:46 1994 From: "Mugele, Gerry" To: "'LRO-Digest'" Subject: DMV Classifications Date: Thu, 10 Nov 94 08:35:00 PST Encoding: 24 TEXT Status: RO X-Status: Don't know why anyone would rely on the DMV to determine the appropriate category for their Land Rover. That's not an organization normally associated with brilliant/clever/reasonable decision making. Here in California there was recently a minor scandal: seems the DMV spent $54+ million on a new computer system from Tandem Systems. After 3+ plus years of effort they have been unable to get it to work and now have dropped the project as a throw-away. So anyway, my first L-R, a '69 88" Hardtop was, in the estimation of these people, a sedan. And so the registration indicated for the first 20+ years of its life (it's now in Washington State). My second L-R, a '67 88" pickup, was reckoned to be (big surprise here) a pickup truck and was so registered. My current beastie, a '72 88" hardtop, was much less fortunate. The brutal savages at the DMV didn't just slander us, they made it permanent: on the registration tag, under the label TYPE, it clearly says (arrgghhhh) JEEP. Conclusion: I don't trust the DMV to tell me a turnip is not a motor vehicle and it's only luck that they get "Land Rover" spelled correctly. And the appropriate label is simply "Land Rover" Gerry RM - ** What if there were no more hypothetical situations? From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 10 10:44:55 1994 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 94 09:41:48 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV To: lro@team.net Subject: '70 Series 2A for sale in Arizona (USA) Status: RO X-Status: FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB204 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: '70 Series 2A for sale in Arizona (USA) I didn't know if it's appropriate to post LR's for sale, but since there are not that many in the US, and some were already listed, here goes... I was came across this, looks like a fair deal. 1970 IIa LR red color with white roof, roof rack, light guards, 2.2 engine, weber carb, "Rover-Drive", new frame, new brakes. $6000 (US) e-mail me if interested, and I can get you in touch with him. Dave Brown - debrown@srp.gov - '94 Disco - Phoenix Arizona (USA) In reference to the "looking for love" thread... Wanted: Driveway mate for newborn Disco, 1 month old. All Land Rovers and Range Rovers welcome. Both myself and my Disco are single, I have kids, but the Disco is too young to be dropping anything yet... #=====# Never doubt that a small group of individuals |___|__\___ can change the world... indeed, it's the only | | | | thing that ever has. ""O""""""O"" -Margaret Mead From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 10 12:00:13 1994 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 94 12:28:54 EST From: Brian Willoughby Subject: Land-Rovers in Missouri To: land-rover-owner@TEAM.NET Status: RO X-Status: Ray Harder caught me. I guess that I over-generalised and assumed that all Land-Rovers were registered in the same fashion in Missouri. Everbody I know that has their's licensed, has it licensed as a car (those ugly red plates that say "Show Me State" at the bottom and have the renewal sticker dead centre, for those of you who've never seen one.) You see, before I came to the University of Kentucky, I was working in St. Louis and that is where I bought the car and had it inspected. Ray lives in Columbia and as I recall does not have to take the same test to get a license as the folks in St. Louis and Kansas City do. It has something to do with combatting air polution in urban areas of the state. Out-state, you do have to pass a safety inspection that makes sure that your headlamps, wipers, turn signals, brake lights, horn and brakes all work. For newer cars, post-'68 I believe, you must be able to pass an emissions test. L.R. is so old that he is grandfathered in and does not have to worry about that. The safety inspection was fun. The mechanic couldn't figure out how to do anything with it. I was in their waiting room expecting to be called out which is exactly what happened. I had to start it for them, flip on the lamps and wiper motors and sound the horn. I'm glad they deferred to me to do all of this; it seems that this is an easy way to get your car damaged. Anyway, the inspection station decided that L.R. was a car. And that is what he got licensed as. Of course, he has no seat belts and if I can help it, never will. I have him insured as an antique car, and therefore insurance, if it can be as such, is rather reasonable: about $50 a year with a mileage limitation of 2500. It's really not bad if you don't use your Land-Rover for anything other than fun on the weekends. As many of you know, I am in the process of restoring L.R. to as new condition. My desire is to have him look the way he did when he rolled off the line 34 years ago in Solihull. And that is why I don't want seatbelts; they are not original. (I always wear them in my cars that do have them installed, by the way.) So any way, that is how my Land-Rover came to be a car in Missouri. Rather arbitrarily, I presume. I guess that it may also have something to do with the fact that it is titled, incorrectly, as a Jeep. Having never owned one, I don't know how the state licenses them, though as I recall, most I have ever seen were registered as cars (in reference to CJ's, of course.) This really has muckied up the waters a bit. Though I thought that it might end some of the confusion. Brian Willoughby bawill01@ukcc.uky.edu 1960 Series II Station Wagon 88", goes by the name of H.R.H. L.R. Rafiki From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 10 12:46:25 1994 From: Russell Burns Subject: 24v light on defender 90 To: lro@stratus.com Date: Thu, 10 Nov 94 10:39:47 PST Status: RO X-Status: I just noticed one of my dash lights on the Defender 90 has a picture of a battery and 24V inside of it. Do they build this beast for 24V ?. Just curious Russ Burns 91 Range rover 94 Defender 90 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 10 16:47:01 1994 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:39:54 -0800 (PST) From: Morgan Hannaford To: lro@team.net Subject: Finally, Oct. LRO Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: I got the October LRO yesterday. A full week after Roger got it and he lives nearby. "bitch, bitch, bitch!!!" Morgan Hannaford Berkeley, CA '69 88" From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 9 16:35:59 1994 From: ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Are L-Rs cars or trucks and LRO & LRW Subscriptions To: BAWILL01@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Brian Willoughby) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:32:42 -0600 (CST) Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com (Land-Rover-Owners FORUM) In-Reply-To: <199411092035.PAA10665@transfer.stratus.com> from "Brian Willoughby" at Nov 9, 94 03:03:40 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1332 Status: RO X-Status: Brian Willoughby was bold enough to point out... > >fellow L-R brethen. Also, mine is registered in Missouri and that state >classifies it as a car. (That's assuming that the DMV actually knows what it FOR THE RECORD: LULU is registered in Missouri as a truck. The way I remember it (2 years ago): 1. the black truck license plates look better. 2. trucks drivers won't get ticketed for not wearing seat belts 3. in my case, truck insurance was cheaper -- I don't know why, its the same vehicle. 4. trucks have higher GVW limits when pulling loaded trailers, but nobody is checking. 5. Seems to me there was something to do with the annual inspection but I can't remember. 6. I don't know the $$$ situation, but it should be pennies. The lady behind the desk asked how it should be titled and I said "truck" mostly cause of #1. I also had the same choice when the RR was titled (truck too, #1). --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ray Harder Columbia, Missouri 314-882-2000 "...you are what you drive..." - 61 SIIa 88 (LULU, aka Experimental) - 66 SIIa 88 (rebuild project) - 69 SIIa 88 (parts) - 87 RR (wife's) - 80 MGB - xx --------------------------------------------------------------------- From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 08:45:16 1994 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 94 10:10:34 +1100 From: lloyd@indy14.cs.monash.edu.au (Lloyd Allison) To: land-rover-owner@team.net Subject: free wheel hubs Status: O X-Status: there are several reasons to engage FW hubs from time to time - the front prop-shaft slip-joint can wear oval if it is not rotating The upper steering bearing/bush needs the oil The front diff can rust above the oil-line unless it has an oil-film. (?tried them on RR or discovery ?-) Lloyd From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 08:47:38 1994 From: "T.F. Mills" Subject: Re: LRW US national decoded To: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 00:07:59 -0700 (MST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9411081509.AA01191@emr1.emr.ca> from "Dixon Kenner" at Nov 8, 94 10:09:52 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1247 Status: O X-Status: Dixon writes: < December LRW arrived in Ottawa yesterday, or at least my < neck of the Ottawa region. I do like the colour photo < of the big green beastie between the 110 and the restored < '67 IIA Station Wagon (note the III front end...) at < the British Invasion at Stowe (p. 111). It has, er, < character. Next time, I'll remember there's an easier and surer way to get my car/truck/lorry/vehicle/beast in LRW! < AN excellent article. Were the photos that you supplied on slides, < or were they on paper? Photos were Kodachrome, mostly using a polarizing filter which enriches the colours and contrast. (The camera is a 20 year old Canon SLR on its last legs. It has been up the Matterhorn, down the Grand Canyon, and almost smashed by an East German border guard. The photographer is a 40 something fruitcake who doesn't mind getting smashed on occasion, but still views the world right side up.) I don't know about nowadays, but it used to be that publishers preferred working from slides. I sent a sheet of 20 slides to LRW and they used eleven of them. rgds... T. F. Mills tomills@du.edu University of Denver Library 2150 E. Evans Ave. Denver CO 80208 USA From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 08:47:56 1994 From: "T.F. Mills" Subject: Re: painting LRs (and armour) To: velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk (S|ren Vels Christensen) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 00:37:33 -0700 (MST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: from "S|ren Vels Christensen" at Nov 7, 94 11:54:37 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1745 Status: O X-Status: Soren of Arabia Vels writes: < If you plan on going to ex-Yugoslavia DON'T PAINT IT WHITE!. The bosnian < serbs will think it belongs to UN peacekeeping force and will let you taste < a few one-o-fives. When you crawl out of the smoking wreck, the snipers will < get the rest of you. That reminds of a small article that appeared in Sept/Oct AMERICAN PHOTO (p.12). Here's the full text: CHAUVEL'S ARMOR: THE LATEST THING How hazardous has the situation become for photojournalist working in the free-fire zone that is Bosnia? With bullets flying in every direction and snipers posted throughout the tortured land, photographers who've gone there to document the war are veritable targets. Famed war correspondent Patrick Chauvel, who's been injured many times while covering other conflicts--and who is considered one of the most daring photojournalists around--has gone so far as to buy (with his agency, Sygma) a used British army armored personnel carrier for his travels around Bosnia. "If Chauvel thinks he needs armored protection, you know it's a bad place," says photojournalist Chris Morris, who has also spent a great deal of time dodging bullets in Yugoslavia. Chauvel bought the truck, which had been used by the British army in Northern Ireland, from a collector in Great Britain. Reportedly, other photojournalists have also been using armored-car protection of their own. --David Schonauer [end of article] accompaying photo shows an armored LR being painted WHITE. And there's no doubt this LR is a babe magnet: Elle Macpherson is on the same page, also in white. T. F. Mills tomills@du.edu University of Denver Library 2150 E. Evans Ave. Denver CO 80208 USA From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 08:48:10 1994 From: "T.F. Mills" Subject: Re: painting LRs (and armour) (correction) To: lro@stratus.com Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 00:43:25 -0700 (MST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 437 Status: O X-Status: I just wrote: < That reminds of a small article that appeared in Sept/Oct AMERICAN < PHOTO (p.12). [snippety snip] < And there's no doubt this LR is a babe magnet: Elle Macpherson is on < the same page, also in white. umm... I was distracted by the white... Make that Sept/Oct. 1993. T. F. Mills tomills@du.edu University of Denver Library 2150 E. Evans Ave. Denver CO 80208 USA From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 08:49:18 1994 To: lro@team.net From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Is it car or truck Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 09:01:21 UNDEFINED Status: O X-Status: /In fact, the 109 Safari Wagons were registered in Great Britain as a bus at /onepoint because it seats 12 people. Without the middle seat in front, it /seatsonly 11 and was MOT'd as a car or truck and cost far more to register. My 90 van's kerb weight makes it a commercial vehicle, licenseable at HUGE cost. So you have to specifically register it as Private adn Light goods if it is private transport. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 08:49:27 1994 To: lro@team.net From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: free wheel hubs Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 09:05:08 UNDEFINED Status: O X-Status: (?tried them on RR or discovery ?-) If you add em to all 4 wheels, you can save a lot of wear. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just another roadkill on the Information Superhighway +++++++++++++++++++++++ None-%er #1 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 08:50:43 1994 Date: 11 Nov 94 07:23:35 EST From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> To: lro Subject: Re: free wheel hubs Status: O X-Status: lloyd@indy14.cs.monash.edu.au (Lloyd Allison) suggested: >there are several reasons to engage FW hubs from time to time - > (...snip...) > (?tried them on RR or discovery ?-) That last question _is_ meant black-humored sarcastic, I presume - or isn't it? Put free wheelers on a RR or Disco and your central diff will disintegrate like while you're reading this message... Have fun, Stefan From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 08:50:56 1994 Date: 11 Nov 94 07:22:34 EST From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> To: lro Subject: Re: Trouble Dialing in Sgt Major Status: O X-Status: R. Pierce Reid wanted to know: >Anyone have any tips on what is going on? Is my carb adjusted wrong? I thought >I had it right, but, after all, it's a Land Rover and "right" is a relative >thing. Can anyone suggest a setup procedure that might work? Consider that it *might* also be something completely different, like a problem related to the distributor, such as a non-functional timing advance. Just a thought... Stefan From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 08:51:24 1994 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 09:35:33 EST From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE) To: land-rover-owner@team.net Subject: Land Rover as Art Status: O X-Status: Whilst channel surfing last evening, I caught a bit of one of those news /entertainment/investigative shows. Some men's magazine had done a survey, offering its readers a choice between Cindy Crawford and a new Land Rover. (A picture of a new Discovery was flashed on the screen.) 13.4% chose Cindy, while the Land Rover scored with 86.6%. The spokesperson, commenting on the outcome, said "...that while Cindy in beautiful, the Land Rover is a work of art." *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----* | | | Sandy Grice, Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com FAX: 804-622-7056 | | Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days) 804-423-4898 (Evenings) | | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA | *------------------------------------------------------* From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 08:51:55 1994 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 94 08:43:36 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV To: lro@team.net Subject: Dirty Range Rover... Status: O X-Status: FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: Dirty Range Rover... Hello friends... I came across this post on another mailing list: > Saw something today that I thought was unique enough(around here anyhow) > to pass on to ya. It was a fairly recent model Range Rover coming out > of the hills where I was hunting and it was covered in mud! This guy had > a 10' boat on top and numerous dents in the body. > Made me feel kinda good to know that there are some people who buy 'em > to use 'em! Sounds like someone on the "team.net" list. Keep on "Roving"!! Dave - '94 Disco - Phoenix Arizona USA #=====# Never doubt that a small group of individuals |___|__\___ can change the world... indeed, it's the only | | | | thing that ever has. ""O""""""O"" -Margaret Mead From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 08:52:47 1994 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:21:16 EST From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE) To: land-rover-owner@team.net Subject: DoT 5 Brake Fluid Status: O X-Status: WRT the thread on silicone/DoT 5 brake fluid...it is the best stuff going. It *does not* "rot" pipes or seals...there is no way chemically that it can. What rots pipes and seals (other than the obvious direct chemical attack by petroleum-based fluids on older, natural rubber seals) is water. Castrol/LMA and all Dot 3 and 4 (glycol-based) fluids are hygroscopic...they suck moisture out of the atmosphere...a particular problem if your Rover spends a great deal of time mired in Ontario mud ;-) or if it sits inactive for the winter. The moisture will cause the linings of the master and wheel cylinders to corrode and this roughness tears up the seals. No moisture = long seal life, and silicone simply is *not* hygroscopic. The silicone will prevent any rust or corrosion anywhere in the system. Silicone has two drawbacks (offset by a bunch of advantages). It is expensive, on the order of $7 a pint. Secondly, it is not recommended in vehicles with ABS, as the rapid pulsing can create microscopic bubbles. However, in older Land Rovers, it is THE way to go. As it is "incompatible" with other fluids, I would suggest a complete rebuild of the entire braking system, flushing the pipes in the process with 95% isopropanol and then blowing them dry with compressed air. I did mine a year ago and the Land Rover is most happy with the results. Total cost of all parts (dual master and all wheel cylinders)- $21 :-) Fluid cost - $28 :-( *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----* | | | Sandy Grice, Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com FAX: 804-622-7056 | | Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days) 804-423-4898 (Evenings) | | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA | *------------------------------------------------------* From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 08:53:11 1994 From: Russell Burns Subject: Re: Defender Questions To: vance@xnet.ssl.Berkeley.Edu (Vance Chin) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 94 7:59:37 PST Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9411110219.AA02730@nikon.ssl.berkeley.edu>; from "Vance Chin" at Nov 10, 94 6:19 pm Status: O X-Status: Vance, I have worked witn John Bashinski a couple times. Nice guy. about the dynomat, it is a .25" tar like paper with an adhevise (sp) on one side. It works fairly well as I have done the front doors, and the rear cargo area, and can now hear the radio at 70 MPH. I plan to do the hood and passenger compartments as soon as I can get more material. You can order it from crutchfields, and it is a little on the expensive side at $4.60 a square ft. I get it locally from a sound shop in town. Russ > > > Hi Russ, > I see you work at Cisco, you might know of John Bashinski(sp) or > charlie Miller and old workmate. But back to the question on hand, > what is Dynomat? I assume it is some sound deadening material. How > thick is it? and where do you get it around here? I'm up > in San Leandro.... > > Thanks Vance > From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 08:53:53 1994 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 18:44:57 +0200 (METDST) From: S|ren Vels Christensen Subject: Re: painting LRs (and armour) To: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: <199411110737.AAA03856@mercury.cair.du.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 11 Nov 1994, T.F. Mills wrote: > CHAUVEL'S ARMOR: THE LATEST THING [snip] > Famed war correspondent Patrick Chauvel, who's been injured many > times while covering other conflicts--and who is considered one of the > most daring photojournalists around--has gone so far as to buy (with [snip] > accompaying photo shows an armored LR being painted WHITE. Well, he certainly is daring. Perhaps he's nurishing his reputation. > And there's no doubt this LR is a babe magnet: Elle Macpherson is on > the same page, also in white. None of these photos are accompanying this mail??? ;-) > T. F. Mills tomills@du.edu > University of Denver Library 2150 E. Evans Ave. Denver CO 80208 USA I read an article in "oasen", the club monthly, about an EU observer working for the Owen/Stoltenberg team that is collecting information for the negotiation people. The British government donated a few WHITE 110"s. The one with the Danish representative had a window shot out. Parts are hard to get down there, but plastic is everywhere. When he came home he bought a Rangy and used it in a campaign against the Maastricht Treatment. Bite the hand that feeds you. Oops. I'm getting all political. Sorry. Later +----------------------------+--------------------------------+ | Soren Vels | 1976 sIII 109" 2.25 petrol | | velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk | "Lawrence of Arabia" | ((|||)) | Royal Danish Air Force | Dansk Land-Rover Klub no. 3564 | ((|||)) | Communications Specialist | DL-RK: Approx. 1000 members. | ((|||)) +----------------------------+--------------------------------+__((|||))______ From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 08:54:18 1994 From: "T.F. Mills" Subject: Re: Land Rover as Art To: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 14:03:06 -0700 (MST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <013.01744295.CXKS46A@prodigy.com> from "MR ALEXANDER P GRICE" at Nov 11, 94 09:35:33 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 669 Status: O X-Status: Sandy writes: < offering its readers a choice between Cindy Crawford and a new Land Rover. < (A picture of a new Discovery was flashed on the screen.) 13.4% chose < Cindy, while the Land Rover scored with 86.6%. The spokesperson, < commenting on the outcome, said "...that while Cindy in beautiful, the Land < Rover is a work of art." The producers of that show should be incarcerated. If Cindy ever hears about that, well ... I'll never be able to pick her up with my LR, and that's the end of LRs as babe magnets. T. F. Mills tomills@du.edu University of Denver Library 2150 E. Evans Ave. Denver CO 80208 USA From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 08:55:14 1994 From: "Rostykus, John" To: LRO List Subject: Koenig Winch info wanted... Date: Fri, 11 Nov 94 14:32:00 PST Encoding: 24 TEXT Status: O X-Status: I acquired a 1963 109" pick-up recently (parts truck...) that includes a Koenig PTO winch. I am interested in learning more about it, and possibly installing it on my 1966 109" pick-up. Its a model L621 drum winch driven off the transmission PTO (sans overdrive). I'm looking for the following info OR ideas as to where I might find such: 1) Technical data - pull rating and any other useful info. 2) Mounting possibilities. I can't tell if the current mount is homemade or a production piece (it's fairly professional looking - except they cut a chunk out of the front cross-member in order for the driveline to clear.) If anyone has a winch like this one, I'd like to compare notes. 3) Maintenance tips for the winch. I'm fairly new to winches. I've got lots of info on 'how to winch', but little on taking care of a mechanical winch. I know very little of it's history, as the truck came out of British Columbia. Thanks! Rosty john@data-io.com From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 08:55:20 1994 From: Russell Burns Subject: Deafender 90 To: lro@stratus.com Date: Fri, 11 Nov 94 18:31:50 PST Status: O X-Status: > > > I finshed with the Dynamat soundproofing, and the truck is so quite > I can't even here the radio when parked... > It much better but it still aint as quiet as the R-rover. > I guess the next item is quieter tires. I can't see wasting good > muds tires on tarmac. > Any one heard any news on the hardtop. It seems the Net > knows more than the dealer. > > Russ > > > --SAA10792.784607413/lint.cisco.com-- > > From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 08:55:32 1994 From: WB6AGE@aol.com Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 00:38:38 -0500 To: Land-Rover-Owner@team.net Subject: Waxoyl availability Status: O X-Status: Where does one purchase Waxoyl in the USA? Cynthia is in need, and the locals have never heard of the stuff. >Rover a Car or a Truck? Neither, It's a state of mind. Bob From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 08:57:45 1994 To: lro@stratus.com Subject: The engine is out From: dd@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Dale Desprey) Reply-To: dd@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca Date: Sat, 12 Nov 94 10:40:29 -0500 Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada Status: O X-Status: Borrowed an engine crane and pulled the engine. With the wings and breakfast removed, it was quite easy. I found that if I put blocks between the back of the engine and the bulkhead, then lifted the engine, it moved more horizontally off of the transmission spline. I have used silicone brake fluid with no problems. I was using Castrol LMA, but the fluid was easily contaminated with black blobs. My ruber (rubber) seals? The silicone fluid is as clean as the day I put it in. -- Dale Desprey, dd@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers Nepean, Ontario, Canada | 1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean (OVLR's InterNet site) | Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4 From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 08:58:08 1994 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 94 12:11:37 LCL From: Joseph Broach Subject: HELP! Throw-out has thrown out To: land-rover-owner@team.net Status: O X-Status: I had identified a low grating noise in neutral as the throw out bearing. This morning, I stopped to tighten a sagging visor and when I put it into first, I was met with a horrible noise as I took up drive. I immediately stopped, as I was afraid I had run something dry. But, ah pushing the clutch remedied the problem momentarily, so I believe it must be the throw out bearing. Anyway what is your opinion? If you agree does the gearbox have to be removed to replace it? Surely there's a source cheaper than RN's 35.00. Thank you for your help. -Rgds, Joseph '67 IIa 88......"Sidney" :-( From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 08:58:26 1994 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 11:16:45 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil, lro@team.net Subject: Re: Shock Absorbers Status: O X-Status: Ben wrote... > So my question is: What are the advantages between heavy duty >hydrolic shock absorbers and gas shock absorbers? (I hear gas ones run >about $80 US apiece) Hey, maybe for once, I have something useful to contribute to a technical question! My brother put air shocks (is this the same as gas shocks?) on his camaro (you know, the one that wasn't as good for picking up women as my 88"), and the advantage (other than coating our garage floor with blood and curses when he tried to get the old ones out) was that he could vary the stiffness in them, and how much lift they gave to the body. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 08:58:41 1994 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 11:17:30 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: 100043.2400@compuserve.com, lro@team.net Subject: Re: Status of TeriAnns 109 Status: O X-Status: >... >>I was standing out in Scotty's shop, talking to him and looking out at my >>green 109 facing me in the rain. I was thinking how nice she looked with > the >>... > >This elegy is definitely a serious candidate for the lro-faq, possibly >under a heading like "A Bad Case of Land Rover Blues", or perhaps >"Psychopathology of the Land Rover Owner - A Case Study" > >Stefan > I'll second that. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 08:59:42 1994 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 11:17:39 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: jfhess@ucdavis.edu, lro@stratus.com Subject: Re: cross country trip in rover Status: O X-Status: >Howdy rover gang, > >Thus far, we have a bunch of maps from AAA and a list of campgrounds from >KOA. We plan on sleeping in the dormobile some days, motel other days. >same with cooking and eating. we will have an ice chest (our own) and a >propane stove (in the dormobile). > >>From perhaps uncle roger, jan fisk, ben smith, maloney and everyone else, >any suggestions for what to carry as far as tools and spares? Any word >about a place called rovers west in tucson AZ? > You definitely want a spare, and make sure it's good before you start out. A couple of years ago, Rachel & I got a flat in Reno. We put on the spare, and bought a new tire (to be used as the spare). We got away from Reno, and outside of business hours, and discovered that the spare we'd put on was slowly going flat. Rather than spend two days in Reno (it was Saturday evening and they wouldn't be open 'til Monday), we managed to find a truck repair place that patched the tube in the spare. (Rachel really didn't want to drive hwy 50 -- called the lonliest road in America -- with no spare.) Carry the issue (or preferably a copy) of the Aluminum Workhorse that had the membership list and list of repair shops in it. A celphone is nice for when you're stuck in the middle of nowhere. A couple of adjustable spanners will take care of topping off the diffs, transmission, transfercase, etc. A phillips and straight screwdriver, two of each (large & medium) if you've got the room. Electrical tape and some wire. Depending on the age/condition of your battery (and how much room you've got) a spare battery wouldn't hurt. Especially if the existing one is old. Run on the old one 'til it dies, then swap 'em. A repair manual is good, especially if you get stuck where there isn't a LR mechanic nearby. But you should have no problems. > >PS I have a couple of photos on my mac that I have made available to greg >hiner for his www site. they include one of the dormobile, one of a series >I, one of a 90 county. I will probably be scanning more but for now, if >youhave the ability, ftp to 128.120.81.21 login as rover, password >aluminum. Please do not do this during 9-5 west coast time. I will try to >remember to leave the computer on at night. > >John Hess, PhD Phone me 916 752 8420 >Dept of Human Anatomy FAX me 916 752 8520 >University of Calif Email me jfhess@ucdavis.edu >Davis, CA or leave me alone, your choice. Okay, how do you do this. I want to set up a computer as an ftp site, listserver, etc. Sounds like you've done that. Now you have to tell me how to do it. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 08:59:48 1994 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 11:18:07 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: morgan@nature.Berkeley.EDU, lro@team.net Subject: Re: Finally, Oct. LRO Status: O X-Status: It's probably just that your postman was trying to find change for the Berkeley parking meters. <8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 08:59:57 1994 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 94 14:26:37 EST From: Brian Willoughby Subject: LROI & LRW American subscription information, please! To: land-rover-owner@TEAM.NET Status: O X-Status: Does anyone out there have the correct address for subscribing to Land Rover Owner International for those of us who live the U.S.? Also, what does a subscription cost per year? If anyone has the same information for Land Rover World, I (and some other subscribers to the Digest) would like that as well along with the costs. If you like, you may respond to me directly or post to the entire list. Thanks in advance, Brian Willoughby bawill01@ukcc.uky.edu 1960 Series II Station Wagon 88" From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 09:04:57 1994 X-Authentication-Warning: tornadic.sw.stratus.com: Host localhost.stratus.com didn't use HELO protocol To: denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU, fadushin@top.cis.syr.edu, Dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca, ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu, John_Hong@3mail.3Com.COM, 72262.1540@CompuServe.COM, twakeman@apple.com, ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu, rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com, maloney@wings.attmail.com, CXKS46A@prodigy.com, IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk, M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk, azw@aber.ac.uk, ludovico.magnocavallo@galactica.it, 100043.2400@CompuServe.COM, dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au X-Copyright-1994: William Caloccia, All Rights Reserved. Subject: adventures of bill (july-october) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 94 21:27:08 -0500 From: William Caloccia Status: O X-Status: Well, I didn't want to send this to the list, 'cause it obviously isn't all rover-related, but I though some of you, might be interested in what I've been up to instead of rovering... -B (if you're not, let me know) ------- Forwarded Message Howdy ! My last mass mailing was late in June, since then I've been a few places and done a couple things so here goes: The first weekend of July, I visited New Quay, in Wales, and which is one of the larger villages on the coast in mid-Wales, maybe as populated as Truro on the Cape... They secured a place in history as being a place that Dillon Thomas stayed and wrote, is the basis for a particular seaside village in one of his novels. (Fishguard, a few miles further south, also claims to be that village which is so featured.) On the way out I stopped by a number of beaches as I drove down the coast, including Treisath, Mwnt (a particularly remote, sheltered and un-inhabited beach on National Trust property), and then on to Fishguard, St. Davids and lots of little beaches in between. This coast is quite reminiscent to Maine where there are secluded coves with sandy beaches along a rather rocky coast. Near the end of July was the very commercial Land Rover event at the Billing Aquadrome (fun park, etc.), where I managed to find Ludvico, from Milan, with his limestone '83 S.III 88",and his friends, Roberto and Max in Roberto's more recent 90" Defender. Both had driven for nearly two days and 2000 miles to the event. Ludvico let me drive about the off-road course on one of his few laps, and it was a lot of fun. We managed to coat the Rover with mud, which, unfortunately also coated his radiator (and made his return trip even slower, to avoid overheating.) Whirlwind trip to the states (planes, trains, autos, borrowed toyoyos & buses) - ---------------------------- On Friday, Barry and Mike met me at JFK, went to the somewhat ostentatiously decorated seafood palace diner, which had wonderful food. Saturday was work for Barry and Mike, so I went to the MET and MoMA, seeing the Dali and Picasso shows & a quick visit to Canal St. Then we hooked up with Harvey (first time we'd all been together since Mike Snyders' wedding, where we were severely chastised by the fun police the night before the big event) and we did Mexican before going to see a band featuring some of Harvey's ambulance-corps buddies. Sunday was off to the beach, and then a trip by rail from Long Beach onto Albany. - August - Paul Kraus was kind enough to pick me up at Amtrak, and Monday brought lunch with Jon Finke and a trip to Manchester, VT. with Terry. Tuesday was a Bus to Springfield, and then a ride with my aunt to Worcester. In Worcester I picked up a car from Craig, and as the Merkur broke two weeks before I arrived. I visited with the Senies that evening (which, unfortunately, was about the only time I got to see them, even though I stayed there for another few nights), and Wednesday was running all about, but though I visited with a number of friends at Stratus, and I still missed many folks... Thursday I was off early to the get 8am ferry to Vineyard Haven, and found my way to Steve's cottage in West Tisbury. That afternoon and Friday were spent at Gay Head beach and I had a great time visiting with Steve DiRado, Donna Weston, and the other folks at the cottage. Saturday, it was off to Woods Hole and then I drove (mostly on back roads) up to P-town to the finish of the Pan Mass Challenge. I had dinner with a number of friends who were there to work for the PMC Sunday, and spent a while walking about P-town with David Singer before returning to crash at the hotel. Sunday morning I started work with the PMC bar-b-q crew, by mid morning something got the better of me so I left the fire pits. Craig and I drove back to Worcester, putting up with all kinds of awful traffic along the way, and got back rather late. Monday I ran about on some errands and then returned the car to Craig and got a van to Logan, for the mid-afternoon departure to Washington and then LHR. I went home after the flight, took a shower and forced my self to go to work and slogged though my awaiting mail while trying to stay awake and get re-adjusted to UK time. - ----- The third weekend in August, I set off for Land's End, the first and last place in England (at least in the South West, John O'Groats is at the opposite end, in the North East of Scotland, some 874 miles distant, as the crow flies). I made the mistake of starting out on major roads. Soon after passing the usual crowd at the 'henge, I left the A-roads and set off for Essex, and then for Penzance. I actually skipped Penzance, and went straight to Land's End, hotel, playland, and tourist trap, though I got there after the folks charging for parking had left. On the way back, I stopped at a B&B called Compass West, which also happens to be run by folks who do rock climbing in a major way - running schools and trips in that area and in Wales, and then in the winter they pack up and run a B+B in Spain near some nice rocks there. Sunday I headed up the Cornish coast and stopped in Sennen, the somewhat touristy St. Ivey, and the very touristy New Quay - a well developed sea-side village, like the busy part of the Cape. The following weekend started with a business trip to Wigan, located in the Liverpool-Manchester rustbelt, about 40 miles south of Blackpool (a well known, even if not a well-recommended large sea resort). From Wigan I drove East, towards Leeds to the village of Tong, for the Pennine Land Lover Club event. I hooked up with Bill Leacock, and David James, whom I'd met in May at the ARC Nationals in Derby. Being short of a tent, Bill was kind enough to let me sleep in the back of his 12' box truck. [Since Bill is selling the box truck, does anyone have any good recommendations for a high quality tent ?] Saturday I watched the RTV (road taxed vehicle) trials, and Sunday I 'navigated' for Bill while he drove in the cross country trials - where you really get to know what a good driver can do with a Land Rover. That evening and Monday I marshaled for the Comp. Safari events - basically an event somewhat like stage-rallying Land Rovers, on a closed-loop course... - Sept - Labor Day weekend I spent in Amsterdam, prior to visiting the Marssen office for a course that week. A'dam was rather interesting, and that weekend was the annual flower parade (floats, etc.). The 'Boom Chicago !' Improve group and cafe was great place to check out - it is only open summers though. I saw a restored silent film a the Film Museum. After that I caught a cold which took a couple weeks to get rid of, (Going out for a day of sailing the following Friday didn't help things.) Last weekend I went up to visit Bill Leacock, and looked at a L/R along the way, and got to see this Range Rover of a friend of his, and promptly bought that. This man had kept the Rover for some 18 years, since it was about 3 years old, and used it to tow his caravan. He'd put some 60,000 miles on it in that time and kept it in pretty good shape. The original engine was replace three years ago with an '83, and that was thoroughly checked out with the camshaft and followers being replaced. The price was right, so I bought it and then went up over the next weekend to pick it up and bring it back. - Oct - So, naturally, I got it home Saturday night,and first thing Sunday had disassembled most of the bits under the dash. Also while visiting Bill's, I met their friends Jane and Chris, who, whith their dog, live up in Scotland. They were down in York to show him at the Northern Newfoundland Club show. He won two blue ribbons and a trophy, and I'm told that a number of his relatives were there, and many of them also won awards, including his (great?)grandfather, who got best veteran. Aside from slobbering a bit and shedding black, he was quite nice and wasn't quite full grown yet, at 10 1/2 stone (150 pounds) and 41" high (when he was sitting down at the dinner table, his head was head and then some above the table !) We got along quite well, and I tried to take some polaroids of him, but it was a bit darker than I thought, but after a few failures, I did manage to get a couple goods ones. For those of you who know Chandler, he was recently in town, and barely managed to find my phone number, we somehow missed getting together, but we'll sort that out next time. For those of you who know Dr. and Mrs. Bobwrench, the newlyweds rang up that they survived the flight over, which for various reasons, left Logan after it should have arrived here. We met up mid-week and had a dinner in London, then they set off about the country side and somehow ended up at the British Motor Heritage Museum (well, I did mention to Bob that they might find such a place not too far off their path...) We met up again before they left and had dinner at a pub and they went home, to more traveling adventures. (They sent me a postcard - stamped on the 11th, and it arrived on the 9th.) After the Bownes' adventures, I took off for Paris for the weekend, and bad travel karma seemed to follow me... My registration for the conference was never sent, I found out Wednesday before. I left my lights on the day before I left - stayed late at work, then waited an hour and a half for the AA for a jump. The battery was flat again in the AM. So I walked to the tube station, that was the morning the tube caved in by the construction at terminal 3. David and Catherine helped me to find a hotel in Paris. Then I went to the hotel I was booked at for the conference to find out the booking wasn't, and there weren't any rooms at the CNIT, and that lots of hotels in town were booked due to some sort of food event. Then I find out that the second workshop I was going to attend is not going to be translated into English (as per the advance materials). So the office decides to get me back. The hotel didn't charge me for checking out late. I made it to Orly 15 minutes before the flight left, but that wasn't soon enough. It was the last flight on British Midland. There was one more flight on BA. It was over booked. 'bout 10 minutes before it took off I got a ticket. I got back to the office, picked up a battery charger (which happened to be there a day early!). and got the RR battery back up for the morning. While in Paris, I had a great dinner with David Senie, took some polaroids, of Cordelia, I went the Musee Picasso, (excellent), the museum of modern art (ok, it is in the Beauborg), the Louvre (Richeleau sp? Wing), and wandered about Paris. (The At some point in there I spent a Saturday down in the Docklands (the 'new' part of London - basically British urban development) on an architectural photography workshop. Following the trip to Paris, was a company outing for the weekend at Symmonds Yat (in Herefordshire near Wales). It was a 'Team Build' event. It was interesting, unreal and fun, and not really fun. Someone was explaining to me how things are often named for what they are not, and it made a lot of sense. I did manage to do really wall when we got to a 'fun' event - clay shooting. I tied for best with one of the team build instructors, which was pretty good, 'cause neither of us shot clays before. I also spent some time with Paddy, another instructor, and we spent our traversing Scotland, via some fine single malt products. Taliska, Craggenmore, and Glenmorangie (sp?) were very nice. Langvoli is a bit rougher. Bowmore is ok. - Nov - After returning from that I went out and bought a tele(vision), so I've been getting acquainted with the local programming (which tonight wasn't interesting, so I came in to finished this letter). {Hey, WJR: your tapes are in progress, one of them ended up at my friends' house being used as the 'zurn' tape.) The first week of November includes the Hindi festival of light as well as Guy Falk's Day. Both involve fireworks. Guy Falk's day also involves large bonfires [now kids don't do this at home]. [Guy was the idiot who attempted to blow up parliment and got caught. I'm still not sure if they celebrate that he failed, or honoring him 'cause he had the right idea.] This last week, my sister and brother-in-law came over, and were kind enough to bring me fog lamps (from the stockpile at may parents), and some other things. We went out for a curry and they visited my place. Then we went out to see the musical 'Crazy for You', and an Italian dinner. I spent today working on the Rover electrics - replacing the fogs and setting up the driving lamps and making sure they all had working grounds, etc. I also installed the rear speakers, but haven't finished the rest of the stereo install. Well, that ought to keep ya fascinated for a few minutes anyway. Many thanks to those that have bothered to write (e-mail or otherwise). See ya, Cheers, --bill caloccia@Team.Net caloccia@Stratus.Com 1 3 dl OD L "Land Rover's first, becuase |--|--+ o | | Land Rovers last." 2 4 R N H '72 Range Rover ++ '69 S.IIa 88" From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 09:08:29 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 00:46:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: Another Rover Adventure begins... To: lro@team.net, denis@oswego.edu X-Vms-To: INTERNET"lro@team.net" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"denis@oswego.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: Howdy all.. Took the last few days off for a roadtrip to beautiful sunny Pittsburg and I'm (finally!) back... with a 1965 Ser IIa 88 petrol Station Wagon. Yes, Indeed! Slightly battered, and covered with 15 years worth of dust and grime. The engine's in pieces, the brakes don't work, the tires have turned yellow with age... it's ugly as homemade sin and I love it! I bought the beastie from the original owner. It was last licensed in 1976. Sometime between 1976 and 1979 something caused the engine to sieze up. The truck was moved to a small garage for storage and the owners brother-in-law decided to fix it. He pulled off the left front wing, the radiator and the cylinder head and then for some reason, just left it all. So, for at least 15 years this truck has been locked away in a garage, having things piled up on, underneath and inside it. Oh, did I mention the dust?? And Grime?? You can't touch the truck without coming away black. I can safely say that MY truck has NOT been washed in 15 years!! :) There are some plusses to this... no lichens on the roof and no moss in the window channels. The door locks all work. the rubber around the doors and windows looks pretty good and the interior is really pretty nice. Not to mention the frame is pretty solid, all except for the right-hand side front out-rigger and the rear cross-member. Jon Humphrey had posted a message a couple of weeks ago about this truck being for sale. I called the owner and talked about it (apparently a few other people did as well). Steve Denis graciously offered me the use of his VW Syncro Westfalia to tow it home with, if I decided to go to Pittsburg so I figured I could make the trip (about 500 miles one way) on Thursday, with hopes of being home on Friday. The trip down on Thursday was un-eventful and I reached Pittsburg around 5PM... Rush Hour! It's an interesting looking town as you approach from the north.. the sunset reflected from the skyscrapers, rivers and the bridges. Too bad I actually had to drive through it. I think the Pittsburg highway system was designed by either a raving lunatic or a troup of alcoholic circus chimpanzies. Driving through the middle of the city brings a whole new meaning to the term "you can't get there from here". It took me the better part of two hours to get to where the Rover was! After deciding to buy it and haggling over the price, the owner and I cleared most of the debris away in preperation for Friday's fun. I then called up Jon Humphrey and had a brief but pleasant conversation with his answering machine. I then headed out of town and found a room at a Motel 6 (Tom Bodette wasn't there - darn!) Friday morning came around and I got tangled up in the rush hour traffic going into the city. After getting sufficiently lost (again) I found the garage and called the owner who said he would be right over. So, I sat around and waited... got the tow bar set, got the towing lights set, but no-one showed up - until Jon Humphrey pulled up the alley in his 109. He had called the owner and the guy was waiting for me to pick him up! Jon had business to attend to but said he would be back later. He left and I packed up everything in the VW so I could go find the owner. As it turned out, he drove over anyway. The 88 had been sitting with its front axel on supported by jack stands but the rear was not. The rear tires were not only low on air, but they were acutally out-of-round from sitting so long. I had brought two 15" wheels & tires with me (just in case) but we had to get the Rover out of the garage before I could swap wheels. The first order of business was getting the big garage door open - this too had not been used in 15 years. Finally, after much cursing and assaults made with blunt, heavy objects, the door slid back and we were ready to *push* the Rover out. (Sure..) About that time, Jon came back and we used his 109 to pull the 88 out of the garage and across the alley. Jon had to leave again and after he left we were able to get the 88 facing the correct way down the alley and I started to change the rear wheels. The (now previous) owner had forgotten the keys and went home to get them. By the time he got back, I was done with the wheels and was about ready to hook up the tow bar. It was now after noon and the Rover had moved a total of about 20 feet! Time flies when you're having fun! Fruit flies like a bananna... sorry 8*} The owner had to leave but then Jon came back a bit later. I was just about ready to start towing and we noticed the one front tire was going flat. Jon to the rescue again! He has a 12V air compressor which did a fine job with the tire and I was able to leave.. Of course, then I had to get lost again, this time while towing! What fun. About 3:15PM I reached the interstate and headed north... some sort of bassoon quartet on the classical radio station, me with a big grin on my face, puffing clouds of smoke from my pipe, and this dingy looking 88, just merrily bouncing along behind the Syncro. And it WAS bouncing... it sat so long, the suspension was *stiff* and every expansion joint in the highway made the just bob up and down... or maybe it was just happy to be out in the sun after so many years inside that garage?? Most of the trip home was smooth but slow. One of the tires I brought with me developed a leak and I had to put the original spare on. I was stopped in a rest area and a (18 wheel) trucker helped me out with air to fill the spare as well as the two tires that were on the back. But then with all the mixed tires (and the transfer case stuck in 4WD, the Rover started to wind up the transfer case... the little bouncing was quickly turning into bucking and I had to stop and pull the axel half-shafts. With all the delays, I got to just south of Buffalo (NY) around midnight and spent the night in a rest area. It was a fun trip :) but I still have to get Steve's VW back to him and then the *real* Rover adventure begins... To resurrect the beastie! Many thanks to Steve and Jon for all thier help.. It's great to know that you can count on another Rover owner to help out with things. Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 09:09:54 1994 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 01:05:20 -0600 (CST) From: David John Place To: Russell Burns Cc: Vance Chin , lro@stratus.com Subject: Re: Defender Questions In-Reply-To: <199411111559.HAA03920@lint.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Dynomat is a product you should be able to get from any body shop. I bought mine in a 10 sq. foot amount. It comes boxed that way and is as someone else reported, expensive. It sticks very well and it does a great job. Usually it is used to stop a panel from oil-canning on such vehicles as vans that have large sheet metal areas. Body men place this material behind the panel to take out frequency induced vibrations etc. I have it in my doors on the 88, and it gives them a solid sound when you slam them , like an American big car. Dave VE4PN From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 09:10:03 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 03:01:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Waxoyl availability To: WB6AGE@aol.com, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"WB6AGE@aol.com" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: Bob... I believe that Russell got his Waxoyl from Moss Motors.. Moss supplies all sorts of British sports car stuff. They are in Goleta, California. Order phone # is 1-800-235-6955. The last flyer I have lists Waxoyl for $48.95 for a 2.5 Liter kit. 2.5 & 5 liter refils are available. Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 09:11:21 1994 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 08:23:20 -0500 (EST) From: Gregory Brown To: Land Rover Messages to Digest Subject: no digest Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Help!!! My life support is failing... I am recieving a digest from the server but it only contains a listin of the messages and then ends. I can't believe that I am the only one, and you probably already know this but better to inform than deny. Greg From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 09:12:30 1994 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 10:54:49 -0800 To: lro@stratus.com From: jfhess@ucdavis.edu (John Hess) Subject: tools, supplies and travel plans Status: O X-Status: Howdy rover folks, I've been printing out all your suggestions and making a list of what to carry for my cross country trip. This is the list so far. Manuals: the factory workshop manuals AND the haynes manual. LROA list of members Supplies consumables like oil (regular and 90wt.) BTW what is regular? I use 20-50 in the tiger, 30 in the mazda. Grease gun (I have decide against carrying this. I can carry a tube of grease and/or I will pay a garage $20 to borrow one for an hour or have them do it for me). Fix a flat in a can. brake fluid (clutch also, DOT 5) brake cleaner carb cleaner (what's the practical difference? ie brake cleaner cleans and evaporates, do I need both?) permatex hi temp gasket material ignition parts: distributor cap, rotor, condenser, coil. do I really need a set of spark plug wires and new plugs? 12 guage wire and wire nuts plus electrical tape. rebuild kits for brake and clutch master and slaves, wheel cylinder rebuild kit, spare hub seal and gasket. open end wrenches, socket set, pliers, hammer, gasket scraper, plug gapper, points file, fine sandpaper, wire toothbrush, flashlight, large and small slotted and cross screwdrivers My comments 1. I don't think anyone mentioned rear axle half shafts (axles?, axle shafts? whatever you want to call the things that have a nasty reputation for breaking) I don't want to carry the things with me, but would it be a good idea? Could they be changed on the side of the road? 2. Hub seals: with constant driving, I assume if they are in good shape, they will be better lubed and not leak on the road. Is this wrong? 3. Someone recommended a head gasket. Maybe, but really? Then I need more coolant and oil than just top off amounts. 4. jack, lug wrench and jack stand. I have to check on the jack and lug wrench (does the dormobile have these already?) but I've used my socket wrench on the tiger. 5. sae and metric wrenches??? I was expecting to have to buy whitworth or something like that. Does land rover actually use metric stuff? Thanks for reading this, more answers and advice always welcomed. My initial plans are Saturday--west out of maine, into nh to go to a quilt store at center harbor (at the north end of the big lake). continue sat either A) to rovers north (not sure of hours or location, but it just seems like a place I should go) or B) south and west to so. vermont, northern ma. sat night somewhere, motel, campground, national forest, ?? sunday, scenic drive south and west (west ma), crossing the border into NY, stopping to see russell dushin. Maybe spend the night with russel,(thanks for the invite!), maybe cruise farther south. would like to spend the night, but would like to be in washington dc by monday night, so I might want to get farther south on sunday. I would like to spend all of tuesday in dc. I plan to entertain the kid at air and space museum, see some of the monuments, including the vietnam vet one. maybe get out on wed. (we can fly to dc at some later date to see everything; don't really need a dormobile in dc, do you?) from DC, west to mammoth caves. either another long day or two short days. from mammoth, south and west aiming for austin texas. still looking at national park, sightseeing and other books. enough for now, John Hess, PhD Phone me 916 752 8420 Dept of Human Anatomy FAX me 916 752 8520 University of Calif Email me jfhess@ucdavis.edu Davis, CA or leave me alone, your choice. From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 09:12:52 1994 Date: 13 Nov 94 14:54:43 EST From: "Stephen O'Hearn" <72700.3262@compuserve.com> To: Land Rover Digest Subject: Lost digest contents Status: O X-Status: The digests I received for 12 and 13 November both ended with the standard "END OF ..." message but this came immediately after the contents list at the start. Was it something I said? I did shower both days. I don't recall saying anything anti-LR or anti-digest (although I am considering the latter). There were some messages regarding Defenders that I would like to see. If someone could repost them or email them directly to me I would appreciate it greatly. Thanks. (Maybe it's Compuserve?) Has anyone out there had any experience with Ziebart undercoating? While my Defender has an extremely thick coat of some oil-based goop on the visible areas of the frame and underbody I figure that a reapplication of something every few years wouldn't be a bad idea. BTW is this thick undercoating a factory thing or a LRNA thing (or dealer)? I know that Mike Fredette has talked about a paraffin wax coating but this stuff seems to be in addition to that. Stephen O'Hearn '94 Defender 90 From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 09:13:01 1994 Date: 13 Nov 94 16:47:30 EST From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> To: land-rover-owner-list Subject: The dog ate my digest! Status: O X-Status: * The dog has eaten my digest! * Yes, from the last two digest mailings, the actual body of the digest was missing. It just contained the usual Internet mailing header, the contents listing, and the digest trailer. In between: Nothing! Could this be a Land Rover-sensitive cancelbot launched by alt.cars.jap.trash and associates? Just wondering... Totally blind, Stefan From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 09:13:05 1994 From: Craig Murray Subject: Troubles & the digest mode! To: lro@team.net Date: Mon, 14 Nov 94 9:06:01 EDT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: O X-Status: Hi all, Am I the only one who is getting the digest, and it is missing all its content over the last two days or what? All I get is the list of contents and the footer, but nothing else! ============================================================================== Craig Murray 1955 Series 1 86" LROC of Victoria Australia 2.25 diesel LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia (Currently on Digest Mode) email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au (Currently no brakes!) From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 09:20:59 1994 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 18:34:39 -0500 (EST) From: Steven M Denis Subject: Re: Another Rover Adventure begins... To: LANDROVER@delphi.com Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: <01HJEU3OWH549PRFMJ@delphi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 847 Status: O X-Status: Whoa! I just told Mike that he could take the camper to go get a pizza! I wondered what took him soooooo long....*A THOUSAND MILES ROUND TRIP!!???!* (you'd better change the oil,bub....) Ok the real rover reason for this interuption... The Issue of "You know what" that has the picture of "you know what" is May 1992 pp. 118-119.ummmmmmm *I* do not *have* this publication...Nancy grabbed it and won't give it back.......oops,she is reading this over my shoulder..... *WHACK* ooooo that was a particularly *thick* issue...... steve....... "HEY! NICE JEEP,MISTER!"..........."Look,Kid,it's a ..Oh never mind..." "NOTAJEEP"-1967 109 Station Wagon Steven M. Denis " "-1957 107 Station Wagon PO Box 61 " "-1964 109 Pickup Erieville,New York USA " "_1967 109 NADA SW 13061 From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 09:21:23 1994 Date: 13 Nov 94 19:44:16 EST From: Randy Parker <75300.2654@compuserve.com> To: Land Rover Owners Subject: Popular Science award to Discovery Status: O X-Status: Excerpted from a Land Rover North America press release: Calling the Land Rover Discovery "unique in its class," Popular Science has honored Land Rover North America's latest offering with their "Best of What's New" award (honoring "innovative products and achievements in science and technology for 1994") in the December issue. "The Discovery, with impressive standard trim such as a 182-horsepower fuel injected aluminum V8, dual air bags, four-wheel ABS disc brakes, and a riot of storage compartments, promises suburban civility," wrote Fred Abatemarco, Popular Science Editor-in-Chief. "All of this is elegantly grafted onto the hallmarks of Land Rover engineering: full-time four-wheel drive, long-travel coil-spring suspension, and aluminum body panels sheathing a welded steel box frame." -- Randy Parker From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 09:21:49 1994 Posted-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 18:07:15 -0800 To: lro@stratus.com, bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil Subject: Re: cross country trip in rover In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 12 Nov 1994 11:17:39 PST." <199411121917.AA13281@crl7.crl.com> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 18:07:14 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Status: O X-Status: In message <199411121917.AA13281@crl7.crl.com>you write: > >>From perhaps uncle roger, jan fisk, ben smith, maloney and everyone else, > >any suggestions for what to carry as far as tools and spares? Any word > >about a place called rovers west in tucson AZ? Spare tire Jack Tools (wrenches, screwdrivers, sockets) spare set of points and condenser (I've had the points go two or three times on me) gear oil I usually bring 7 quarts of oil, incase I need to replace the engine oil or air cleaner oil rotor fan belt brake fluid a gallon of water duct tape Haynes or Factory work manuel Phone numbers for parts stores. I tend to carry more than this, but I already have some excess parts. these are the ones that I think are most critical. I have had the fanbelt, the rotor and points die on different trips and they are a lot easier to fix if you have a spare with you. If something catastrophic happens, more likely than not its easier for RN, ABP, British Pacific or any other store mail the parts to where you are. Once you've had you Rover for a while, you'll end up with more spares. Spare axels are a good thing to have in general, but you can probably get away with not having them on you first road trip. hope it helpsts Benjamin Smith Science Applications International Corporation bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil 1972 SIII 88 From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 09:21:56 1994 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 94 21:28:18 LCL From: Joseph Broach Subject: What is a bugeye? To: land-rover-owner@team.net Status: O X-Status: My apologies for wasting bandwidth if this is in the FAQ, but What is a bugeye Landy? Just wondering... -Rgds, Joseph '67 IIa 88......'Sidney' From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 09:23:46 1994 To: LAND-ROVER-OWNER@TEAM.NET From: "Barry Dudley" Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 10:02:47 +200 Subject: BUMPER IS NOW ON (SUMMARY OF ADVICE) X-Gateway: iGate, (WP Office) vers 2.01a - 1008 Status: O X-Status: Hello All, Thanx for the many replies, suggestions and hints concerning the WATER BUMPER. It is now on, and comments from FRIENDS range from: "It will be nice when it is finished....; Going into the tree felling business? OR Going into the pipe laying trade? In order to keep the excellent approach angle, rather than bolting it directly in front of the bumper mounting points, it has been placed above this, with the lowest point being the top of the bolts on the frame. There are screw on ends, a filler tap on the top at one end, a tyre valve at the other end, so air can be pumped (for pressure) to generated a shower and the out flow is in the middle at the back of the pipe (for protection). To summarise the collective net wisdom: > What happens to the front springs with the extra weight? For your purposes? Not much. I have a Koenig pto winch on the front of my 109 and it weight a couple hundred pounds (Dixon Kenner). > With the water pipe would it be better to have screw on ends or to weld it closed? One end of the pipe welded shut,and the other end removable so one can steam clean the inside from time to time (Mike Rooth). > Where would be the best place for the taps? For the spigots, I would worry about having the lower one out underneath, near the end of the tube/bumper. More to the middle would probably be safer. The central position would mean you wouldnt have to make sure the Rover was parked tap side downhill all the time(Michael Loiodice). It would probably make more sense to store something you would need infrequently - like engine or gear oil - than water. Welding around zinc or galvanized steel is hazardous - zinc vapours will give you "metal fume fever" as the old welders used to call it. If you do decide to weld galvanized steel, set of a fan to blow the smoke away. MR ALEXANDER P GRICE Many thanx again, Barry Dudley From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 09:24:49 1994 From: "T.F. Mills" Subject: LR current cites To: lro@stratus.com Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 02:34:36 -0700 (MST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 553 Status: O X-Status: Some of the latest... "Land Rover" SPORT-UTILITY VEHICLES, VANS & PICKUPS: 1995 BUYERS' GUIDE (Sports mirror action series) p. 26-27, 32 Ray Hutton "Range Rover-- the message seems to be: don;t mess with a good thing" CAR & DRIVER vol. 40, no. 5 (Nov. 1994) p. 79-80, 83 George Kacher "Range Rover 4.6" AUTOMOBILE vol. 9, no. 8 (Nov. 1994) p. 59 "Land Rover" AUTOMOBILE vol. 9, no. 8 (Nov. 1994) p.53 T. F. Mills tomills@du.edu University of Denver Library 2150 E. Evans Ave. Denver CO 80208 USA From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Mon Nov 14 09:25:46 1994 From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: Waxoyl availability To: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Mon, 14 Nov 94 9:27:21 EST Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: <01HJEYTQMUEG9PRWNE@delphi.com>; from "LANDROVER@delphi.com" at Nov 13, 94 3:01 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.36.1.1] Status: O X-Status: > > Bob... > I believe that Russell got his Waxoyl from Moss Motors.. > > Moss supplies all sorts of British sports car stuff. They are in Goleta, > California. Order phone # is 1-800-235-6955. > The last flyer I have lists Waxoyl for $48.95 for a 2.5 Liter kit. 2.5 & 5 > liter refils are available. > > Cheers > Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com > 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 > Gloversville > NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) > 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol > 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol > > Yup, that's where I got it. Best call quick, 'cause last time this was posted they nearly ran out. thnks, rd/nigel From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Nov 14 09:29:47 1994 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:01:04 -0500 From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) Phone: 201-564-2073 Subject: IBEX & Other Stuff To: LRO@stratus.com Content-Type: Text Status: RO X-Status: Re: The question about the IBEX body for Ranger Rover Chassis & drivetrain- I looked through the LRO back issues and couldn't find an article on the IBEX, although I thought I had seen one in the past. What I did find on Pg. 12 of the Oct. 92 issue was an article on the Dakar. It's a fiberglass body with a full roll cage that bolts on a Range Rover frame and drivetrain. The cost was L4500 and they estimated 100 man hours for installation. You can use the original Rover V-8, but they also can accept a Chevy 5.7 litre and other powerplants. The number is 0322 614044 (011 44 322 614044 from the US). The finished product resembles a dune buggy on steroids and has very little front and rear overhang. It's actually pretty neat looking and a worthwhile use for a Range Rover chassis :-). Re: Russ Burns & Defender Hard Tops- They should be in next month. Initial installation by the dealer is expected to be 6 hours (wow!). After the initial installation, it is said to take 60 minutes to remove or replace (figure that one out). An alternative would be to give Mark Letorney a call at Rovers North (802-879-0032) and get a REAL 90 hard top (I believe he has some used in the barn). You would have to remove the roll cage, however. Re: Men's Journal- Thanks to whoever posted the initial note. The off road article was very interesting with a couple of trails in Southern Vermont that I plan to try next summer. Roy in the Rockies- you should check it out. The trails out your way look fantastic (but you probably already know that). It is a bit of a chuckle to see the Defender in a number of the shots. The article detailing Tantra Techniques (used by NY Auto Show Disco driver Sting, among others) for enhancing The Wild Thing was also pretty amusing. Details are best left for another list. Re: Joseph & Sidney's gearbox problem- >> I had identified a low grating noise in neutral as the throw out bearing. This morning, I stopped to tighten a sagging visor and when I put it into first, I was met with a horrible noise as I took up drive. I immediately stopped, as I was afraid I had run something dry. But, ah pushing the clutch remedied the problem momentarily, so I believe it must be the throw out bearing. >> Possibly a bearing but probably not the throw out bearing as it would probably become worse as you depressed the clutch. My first suggestion would be to check the oil level in the main box, then drain it into a clean pan and see how much comes out. Pour the contents carefully into another container and see what shows up in the bottom (check the drain plug too- you may find something just sitting in it). Then fill it up and try again. If you find particles in the pan but it seems quieter after you refill it, drive it a few hundred miles and change it again to get as many particle out as possible. A worn tranny with good clean oil can last a while if not abused. My own Rover Stuff- I did an accurate reinactment of the Exxon Valdez disaster while changing the oil on my 88 yesterday, dumping most of the contents of the used oil container on the driveway. I expect Greenpeace to arrive this morning. I also took photos of both Rovers. The classic car insurance requires photos of all 4 sides when applying. It should save me quite a bit next year on insurance charges $65 for both instead of $390 each. If you don't put a lot of miles on your vehicle, it could really be worthwhile. Bill maloney@wings.attmail.com From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Nov 14 11:03:32 1994 From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: IBEX & Other Stuff To: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) (maloney) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 94 12:00:22 EST Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: ; from "maloney" at Nov 14, 94 11:01 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.36.1.1] Status: RO X-Status: Bill Maloney writes: > > I also took photos of both Rovers. The classic car insurance requires photos > of all 4 sides when applying. It should save me quite a bit next year on > insurance charges $65 for both instead of $390 each. If you don't put a lot > of miles on your vehicle, it could really be worthwhile. Photos of all four sides, aye?? What if I tell them Nigel has six sides??!! (And those are only if you don't count the small dents.) .....I do wonder if there is any insurance agent blind enough to let me by.... rd/nigel From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Nov 14 11:14:38 1994 From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: Re: What is a bugeye? To: PC7170@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU (Joseph Broach) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 12:08:27 -0500 (EST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <199411140231.VAA00584@transfer.stratus.com> from "Joseph Broach" at Nov 13, 94 09:28:18 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 585 Status: RO X-Status: > My apologies for wasting bandwidth if this is in the FAQ, but > What is a bugeye Landy? Just wondering... A transitional IIA when the headlamps first moved out onto the wings. Unlike later IIA's, or the III's which have the different front panel allowing the headlamp to be recessed, the "bugeye" used the standard panel with a large hole cut into it. The headlamp stuck out in the same fashion that the headlamps stick out of the breakfast on earlier Land Rovers (early 80"s excepted) (If you are ever in Ottawa, a good example is Yves Fortin's 88) Rgds, Dixon From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Nov 14 12:40:06 1994 To: Russell Burns Cc: lro@stratus.com Subject: Re: Deafender 90 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 11 Nov 1994 18:31:50 PST." <199411120231.SAA11009@lint.cisco.com> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 10:29:40 -0800 From: Mike Fredette Status: RO X-Status: Russell asks, > Any one heard any news on the hardtop. It seems the Net > knows more than the dealer. > and Mr Baloney adds, They should be in next month. Initial installation by the dealer is expected to be 6 hours (wow!). After the initial installation, it is said to take 60 minutes to remove or replace (figure that one out). An alternative would be Here's the latest hand job I talked the monkeys in charge of this fiasco on Thurs last week as the tops were supposed to be released on Monday the 7th. Well the excuse was that the units they have been testing had all been sent back for rework. The rework being that the gasket material being used to seal between the top and the body of the truck was apparently compressing with time to the point that they were worried about the fiberglass starting to chaff on the body. They thought that this would cause some cracking of the gellcoat which would force them to replace the tops under warranty, perish the thought! They said if they could have been reasonably sure of making it past the warrany period they would have said let em go, as it is they are now testing a new, thicker seal on a couple more tops. This is about as ridiculous an excuse as they come, they've only been using fiberglass tops on jeeps for what, 20 years or so, you'd think they would have this figured out by now. The new 7th or is it 8th, I've lost track, target date for release is Nov 28th, the monday after the Thanksgiving holiday.This would put them in the dealers hands the following week. Pricing has STILL not been finalized but they are hovering at $1500 to the dealers which translates to $2000 to you and me. Don't worry, I'll keep you Defender owners informed. I've got a vested interest in this as I'm still running around with just the stupid bimini tarp thing over my head. During winter in Portland this has been good for more than a few funny looks as people glance over during a downpour, and see me sitting there in my storm gear. They just shake their heads, I just grit my teeth and recite mantras "The Hardtop is Coming.....The Hardtop is Coming.....The Hardtop IS Coming......" Rgds Mike Fredette (slightly soaked, in more ways than one) Defender 90 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Nov 14 12:44:20 1994 From: Russell Burns Subject: Re: Deafender 90 To: mfredett@ichips.intel.com (Mike Fredette) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 94 10:38:54 PST Cc: burns@cisco.com, lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9411141829.AA29455@pdx242.intel.com>; from "Mike Fredette" at Nov 14, 94 10:29 am Status: RO X-Status: > > > and Mr Baloney adds, > They should be in next month. Initial installation by the dealer is expected > to be 6 hours (wow!). After the initial installation, it is said to take 60 > minutes to remove or replace (figure that one out). An alternative would be > The 5 hours is to remove the old full soft top.... Russ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Nov 14 12:54:05 1994 To: lro@team.net Subject: Re: Cheapo 90 chassis In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 01 Nov 1994 19:16:20 -0400." Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 10:39:59 -0800 From: Mike Fredette Status: RO X-Status: I posted this a couple weeks ago and nobody took a swing at answering it. Is that because nobody knows, or is it because my supposition is correct, That the new Land Rover frames are no more rust prone than the older Series frames. Remember, you must have facts, not rumours, that the steel is somehow now inferior to the older stuff. Come on, I'm sure somebody over in the UK crowd can shed some definative factual light on the subject. Also the suspension question remains unanswered....dig boys dig, enquiring minds want to know. Cheers Mike Fredette Andy and others write: //because there is no demand.And Dixon is right,I'm afraid.Given his //conditions,and ours,the modern chassis just dont last as long.There //is some *very* funny steel about.There are already articles on putting //new rear ends on young 90 and 110 models.Not for nothing was the phrase //"British Racing Rust"coined!If there are two things our climate is //famous for its the ability to rust,and the incidence of arthritis. / /A freind of mine who was a Warden for Newborough Desert nature reserve took /his 90 on teh beach regularly as part of his job. The chassis fell in two in /teh middle inside a year!!!!!!!!! Not impressed. / /Having said that, My 90 is 10 years old, gets Waxoyled all over the outside of /teh chassis every year (takes about 15 minutes) adn all over the inside every /5 (no idea how long cos I get it done by someone with e HIGH pressure /injector...). There is NO rust on it other than a few superficial flakes - /even on teh outriggers. If you see some, you just spray a bit on from a plant /sprayer carried round for the purpose, adn bingo - no further problem. My questions are these. First, is there anyone across the pond who KNOWS for a fact, that the steel currently used in Land Rover frames is inferior to that used in the older Series vehicles. And in what way is it inferior, ie what exactly is it that makes it supposedly rust faster than the older stuff. It's still the same gauge, ie just as thick, and with the wax injection now used, "should" I say SHOULD last even longer than the old rigs. At this point, all I've heard is just rumour and heresay that the British steel is not what it used to be. Perhaps someone has a connection with a bloke at one of the steel mills who could tell us that, "yes we have changed the alloy of the steel to an inferior grade that will rust faster but what the hell, it costs us less to make." OK, next question. Did the friend who regularly drove his Defender on the beach ever take the time to clean it afterwards. I would venture to say that no vehicle, old Land Rover, or new, can stand constant exposure to that kind of environment without some corrosion problems. And if no preventive measures were taken, washing to remove the salt, oiling to prevent further corrosion, then of course his frame would rust through. No rocket science required. Last question is regarding the Defender suspension. In the US, in order to evade an import tarrif on import SUV's, Land Rover I HEARD had put heavier rear springs on the D90 to raise the gross vehicle weight above the cutoff margin of 6000 pounds. I asked a few folks at the dealer and Rover's North and they tentatively confirmed this saying this was the reason for the stiffness and slight loss of articulation, and that the anti-sway bar had a negligable effect. Ie; removing it would not improve the articulation much. I was told that if I put on some "standard" rear coils, presto, a nice supple suspension would be mine. Well, I ordered a set of "standard" springs, and started in, removing the left rear first. You can see where this is going right? It was the same as the "standard" one I had standing by to replace it with. And the funny thing is, Rover's North has a set of "heavy duty" coils listed below these "standard" models. So, are the "standard" rear coils in the UK and elsewhere of a lighter spring rate than those used in the US? If so, what is the proper Land Rover part number to look for. The ones listed here are NRC9448 and NRC9449 for "standard", NRC9462 and NRC9463 for "heavy duty". The reason for all this blabbering is that on some trails, I'm lifting an axle where I previously did not in my Series lll. Comments please. Rgds Mike Fredette 94 Defender 90 ------- End of Forwarded Message From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Nov 14 13:48:11 1994 From: "Mugele, Gerry" To: "'LRO-Digest'" Subject: Cindy & the Disco Date: Mon, 14 Nov 94 11:41:00 PST Encoding: 15 TEXT Status: RO X-Status: Sandy Grice said <> I guess 13% on any group would make a foolish choice... But the previous owner of my 88' responded to this bit of new with another query: The L-R would be good for at least 20 years...I wonder would the answers would have been if the choice was 20 years w/ Cindy or 20 years with the Disco... Interesting question. Gerry RM** - Fish are so difficult to toilet train From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Nov 14 14:46:46 1994 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 15:39:27 -0500 To: lro@team.net From: jspicer@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (Jane Spicer) Subject: Subscribe Content-Length: 160 Status: RO X-Status: Subscribe Jane Maclachlan Spicer (Jane.Spicer@jhuapl.edu) Johns Hopkins University, Applied Physics Laboratory Laurel, Maryland, USA Voice: (301) 953-6225 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Nov 14 15:22:43 1994 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 94 13:18:30 PST From: labranch@sybase.com (Jason LaBranch) To: lro@team.net, offroad@ai.gtri.gatech.edu Subject: Wanted: restorable LandRover IIA Content-Length: 462 Status: RO X-Status: Hey Folks, I am looking for a restorable Land Rover Series IIA: * Under $1000 (but will consider others) * Either 88 or 109 (Prefer a 109) * Hopefully within driving distance of the California Bay Area (something I could look at in a weekend) * It would be great to find a '68 (when I was born) or 69' (when my wife was born) Please help me appease this insatiable hunger to Rove! Jason LaBranch labranch@sybase.com (510) 654-8299 HOME (510) 922-4690 WORK From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Nov 15 08:57:14 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:39:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: IBEX & Other Stuff To: maloney@wings.attmail.com, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"maloney@wings.attmail.com" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: Bill's Rovers pose for the camera... > > I also took photos of both Rovers. The classic car insurance requires > photos > of all 4 sides when applying. It should save me quite a bit next year on > insurance charges $65 for both instead of $390 each. If you don't put a > lot > of miles on your vehicle, it could really be worthwhile. > What... no scantilly clad babes in the back? Classic insurance.. well, if it is like what I carry on the Triumph, it is good for "club events, car shows and occasional Sunday drives". And you're supposed to keep the car in a locked garage! What company did you go with, Bill?? Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Nov 15 08:57:26 1994 From: Russell Burns Subject: Re: Dynomat To: WB6AGE@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 Nov 94 16:59:20 PST Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <941113203126_6884680@aol.com>; from "WB6AGE@aol.com" at Nov 13, 94 8:31 pm Status: O X-Status: > > Do you have a address or phone # for Crutchfields? I have been looking for > this stuff with no luck > > Thanks, > Bob Cosentino, WB6AGE@AOL.COM > Crutchfield 1 crutchfield park Charlottesville Virginia 22906 1-800-955-3000 Para Hispanhablantes 1-800-955-9039 From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Nov 15 08:58:31 1994 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:03:05 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: lro@stratus.com Subject: Land Rovers au naturel Status: O X-Status: Okay, it's not the May, 1988 issue of Playboy that featured a Land Rover as the centerfold. (My source triple checked, and only found Denise Crosby (Tasha Yar of Star Trek) -- perhaps a worthwhile sight in its own right.) So, does anybody have a definite issue date? Thanks in advance... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Nov 15 08:59:58 1994 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:03:21 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: jfhess@ucdavis.edu, lro@stratus.com Subject: Re: tools, supplies and travel plans Status: O X-Status: John wrote... [...] >ignition parts: distributor cap, rotor, condenser, coil. >do I really need a set of spark plug wires and new plugs? >12 guage wire and wire nuts plus electrical tape. Wouldn't hurt. I don't know how standard LR plug wires are, but my brother's camaro (remember that?) caught on fire in the sierras (long story) and he was able to pick up a set at a store in Sonora. I suspect that if you have a major engine fire, you'll probably have time to have them shipped overnight from RN or ABP or BP. I wouldn't worry, unless you already have a spare set (they don't take up that much room) or the existing ones look bad or something. > >rebuild kits for brake and clutch master and slaves, wheel cylinder rebuild >kit, >spare hub seal and gasket. > >open end wrenches, socket set, pliers, hammer, gasket scraper, plug gapper, >points file, fine sandpaper, wire >toothbrush, flashlight, large and small slotted and cross screwdrivers Vise grips can be handy for just-wanna-get-home-and-out-of-the-rain repairs. Also, some misc. lengths of hose/gas line type stuff, and hose clamps. > >My comments >1. I don't think anyone mentioned rear axle half shafts (axles?, axle >shafts? whatever you want to call the things that have a nasty reputation >for breaking) I don't want to carry the things with me, but would it be a >good idea? Could they be changed on the side of the road? As I understand it, If your axles break, you may have screwed up your diff. Best thing is to remove the rear drive shaft, pull rear axles, engage 4wd, and drive home in front wheel drive. Shouldn't be a problem, as long as you're not planning serious off-highway driving. > [...] > >4. jack, lug wrench and jack stand. I have to check on the jack and lug >wrench (does the dormobile have these already?) but I've used my socket >wrench on the tiger. The rover has big nuts (no pun intended -- yeah, right). I dunno if sockets work; I have a big truck-size four way tire wrench from Grand Auto. Works for me, and fits behind the seats. You'll probably need a bigger jack than you use for your tiger; best would probably be a high-lift or Jackall jack. From what I've read, the Jackall is better, but they were more expensive in Canada than they are in England, and I haven't found an affordable source here in the states. > >5. sae and metric wrenches??? I was expecting to have to buy whitworth or >something like that. Does land rover actually use metric stuff? > I think that for on-the-road repairs, a couple of 7/16 & 1/2 inch wrenches should do it. Anything more, and you'll be looking for a shop. Of course, I'm looking for a mechanic if it's anything more serious than a flat tire... > >Thanks for reading this, more answers and advice always welcomed. > >My initial plans are Saturday--west out of maine, into nh to go to a quilt >store at center harbor (at the north end of the big lake). continue sat >either A) to rovers north (not sure of hours or location, but it just seems >like a place I should go) or B) south and west to so. vermont, northern ma. >sat night somewhere, motel, campground, national forest, ?? sunday, >scenic drive south and west (west ma), crossing the border into NY, >stopping to see russell dushin. Maybe spend the night with russel,(thanks >for the invite!), maybe cruise farther south. would like to spend the >night, but would like to be in washington dc by monday night, so I might >want to get farther south on sunday. > >I would like to spend all of tuesday in dc. I plan to entertain the kid at >air and space museum, see some of the monuments, including the vietnam vet >one. maybe get out on wed. (we can fly to dc at some later date to see >everything; don't really need a dormobile in dc, do you?) > >from DC, west to mammoth caves. either another long day or two short days. >from mammoth, south and west aiming for austin texas. still looking at >national park, sightseeing and other books. > >enough for now, > >John Hess, PhD Phone me 916 752 8420 >Dept of Human Anatomy FAX me 916 752 8520 >University of Calif Email me jfhess@ucdavis.edu >Davis, CA or leave me alone, your choice. I would say pick up a Let's Go and/or Berkeley guide (Berkeley has LR owners working on their guides.) these are guides targeted towards student travellers. Great for travelling on a budget. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Nov 15 09:01:17 1994 To: lro@stratus.com Subject: Re: Cheapo 90 chassis From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca Date: Tue, 15 Nov 94 01:51:33 -0500 Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada Status: O X-Status: Mike Fredette writes: > I posted this a couple weeks ago and nobody took a swing at answering it. > Is that because nobody knows, or is it because my supposition is correct, > That the new Land Rover frames are no more rust prone than the older Series > frames. Remember, you must have facts, not rumours, that the steel is somehow > now inferior to the older stuff. Come on, I'm sure somebody over in the UK > crowd can shed some definative factual light on the subject. Also the suspens > question remains unanswered....dig boys dig, enquiring minds want to know. You have presented an opposing viewpoint to the supposition that recent Land Rover frames might be lacking. Mike has given his opinion, I have relayed mine from discussions with others in the LR business in the UK. (Granted our position is based on late III's and early 90's when compared to earlier III's and beyond) Granted we are dealing in "supposition" but does the assertions from Mike, I etc. not possibly out weight your "Is that because nobody knows, or is it because my supposition correct..."? What might be your answer to Mike's observation that there has been a run on articles in the UK on replacing parts of a 90 frame (the 90 isn't *that* old, hence the assertations to the possible lack of longevity), or generally evidence to the contrary of our observations? Our enquiring minds are interested too... Rgds, Dixon -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers Nepean, Ontario, Canada | 1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean (OVLR's InterNet site) | Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4 From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Nov 15 09:07:13 1994 Date: 15 Nov 94 08:46:35 EST From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com> To: Landy Subject: Last Gasp was awesome Status: O X-Status: Folks: I returned Sunday from the Last Gasp rally in West Virginia. It was the best Land Rover event I have ever been to. Weather was perfect with 70 degree days, and about 24 vehicles showed up. The Blue-Ridge Land Rover Club really knows how to put on an event! We arrived Friday night and I changed the wheels on the Sgt. Major from a set of street Michelins to a set of British Firestone unidirectional agricultural tires. Then, we went off to the Parkersberg Distributing company, which is the BRLRC headquarters. What do they distribute, you may ask? BEER! Inside were cases of beer as far as the eye could see, in one direction and Land Rovers as far as you could see in the other direction. Yes, I have had dreams like that. The club had a tapped keg of Bass and a bunch of work bays open, so I brought in the Sgt. Maj and sorted out the carb problem. Also, Cheryl, one of the officers in the club had her 90 inside being fitted out with a hardtop brought in from the UK. They had to remove, modify and reinstall the rollcage, but the installation was gorgeous! The next morning, we headed out into the W. Va mountains along the Ohio River. The trails were very, very challenging, especially for the older '88s and the 110 Defenders. Wet Clay, covered in wet leaves with basketball-sized rocks all around was the order of the day. That and 2 foot deep washouts and sheer drops on one-side or the other. The first hill took its first casualty. An 88 broke its frame above the front, right spring. Frame broke in half except for the top metal. U-shaped crack 3/4 the way around. We jacked the vehicle up, put blocks between the frame and spring and carried on. Next section nearly took out a brand-new Range Rover which started into one of the 2-foot deep washouts and slid toward a boulder. We managed to stop the sliding, lift the Range Rover up and build about 2 feet of road under it so it could drive out. I believe the lady driving it had very little off-road driving experience, but she really got the hang of it fast -- and, she really enjoyed it... nice to see a Range Rover used for its' intended purpose. We did a couple more short sections, forded a small stream and stopped in a clearing for lunch... Little did we know what was set for the afternoon. After a great lunch (Again, provided by BRLRC) we headed up a nasty, nasty hill. The 110's barely made it and a Continental Divide Land Rover slid backwards several times. The Sgt. Maj went up it with no trouble at all -- didn;t even spin a wheel. But the next section, 100 yards ahead, was where I met my match. This section was very steep, more or less dry, but with thousands of loose, softball-sized rocks covering it. A 101 Fwd. Control marely made it. Several Range Rovers barely made it .I was to be the fourth vehicle up. Sgt Major Broke the Right Rear Axle. Fortunately, we had an extra set, some hylomar and 2 qts of 90-wt with us... so an hour and a half-later, we had a new axle in place and zipped up the hill, which now had a well-defined set of tracks and many of the rocks moved out of the way by other vehicles. By this time, it was getting late and we headed off the mountain to go visit a mud bog. We got there, and the place was packed with, well, shall we say, extras from Deliverance? (We're really talking a very small gene pool here). Several Land Rovers take a pass at the mud pit. Only a Defender 90 with Gumbo Mudders made it. And the 101, which stopped half-way through the pit, just for effect, and the motored out from a dead stop. Those vehicles are unstoppable! Finally, we went back to the clubhouse/beer heaven for a dinner catered by onw of the club members. They had Ribs, veggie casserole and too many other incredible eats to remember. Then, I headed back to the work area to sort out the day's carnage on the Sgt. Major. I straightened out some bodywork and the front bumper (did I mention hitting the tree?) and replaced the generator which had died on the way down the mountain (Bearing let go and filled the generator with copper dust, causing a short) with a generator off a junked Land Rover out back. I rebuilt the generator entirely and it worked better than the one I took out. In the end, the Sgt. Major came home in better shape than when we left... It had a few extra scratches, and I have a new appreciation for what it can do. Oh, and I have an undying lust for a yellow Defender 90. I thought the 88's were capable off-road... but the 90's are unstoppable. They climbed hills like they weren't there. They have so much power you won't believe you are in a Land Rover... So, come spring, the Sgt. Major is going to find a new home and a Yellow Defender 90 is going to find its way into my garage -- or maybe I'll keep both. And for anyone who says the new vehicles can;t compare with the old... Do I have a videotape for you! Anyway, the weekend was incredible, the BRLRC is an outstanding cl;ub in every way (if you are anywhere on the East Coast, I would really recommend joining) and the mountains of W.VA are amazing places for off-road driving. Cheers, R. P. Reid Regards From ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Tue Nov 15 09:07:21 1994 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 06:07:35 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: land-rover-owner@team.net From: Chrisste@cerf.net (Chris Stevens) Subject: LR Wanted Status: O X-Status: I'm looking to purchase a Series IIA 88 of any year and in almost any condition. It should be restorable or partially restored. Anyone got one near Baltimore? Chris Chris Stevens BCG Corporate Communications 1512 West Joppa Road Baltimore, MD 21204 (410) 583-1722 (410) 583-1935 (FAX) Chrisste@cerf.net From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 15 09:34:37 1994 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 09:55:46 EST From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE) To: land-rover-owner@team.net Subject: Defender Hardtops Status: RO X-Status: The Defender 90 hardtop was supposed to make its US debut at the Mid Atlantic Rally in October, but.... I have a press release here that says the new top will now be debuted at the international car show in Virginia Beach this coming weekend. (I'll use my press pass and see if I can sneak in for free!). Another rumor...the BMW 2.5 turbo diesel is likely to start showing up in US spec Range Rovers and Discoveries soon.... It's already EPA-approved for this country and it's a direct mate to the Rover gearbox. As Gomer Pyle would say, "Surprise, surprise...." *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----* | | | Sandy Grice, Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com FAX: 804-622-7056 | | Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days) 804-423-4898 (Evenings) | | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA | *------------------------------------------------------* From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 15 12:28:31 1994 Posted-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 10:15:13 -0800 To: lro@team.net Subject: Re: tools, supplies and travel plans In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:03:21 PST." <199411150303.AA15422@crl2.crl.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 10:15:05 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Status: RO X-Status: In message <199411150303.AA15422@crl2.crl.com>you write: > >4. jack, lug wrench and jack stand. I have to check on the jack and lug > >wrench (does the dormobile have these already?) but I've used my socket > >wrench on the tiger. > The rover has big nuts (no pun intended -- yeah, right). I dunno if sockets > work; I have a big truck-size four way tire wrench from Grand Auto. Works > for me, and fits behind the seats. You'll probably need a bigger jack than On my 88 the lug nuts are American Size 1 1/16 inch. Benjamin Smith Science Applications International Corp bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil 1972 SIII 88 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 15 12:44:52 1994 Posted-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 10:29:43 -0800 >From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: lro@team.net Subject: Brooke on Letterman last night Reply-To: bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 10:29:37 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Status: RO X-Status: Last night Brooke Shields was on the Letterman show. The only part that was relivant to this list was she mentioned Andre's Hummer. And that early in their relationship they were off roading in the middle of nowhere when the Hummer's transmission emmitted noises and died. How old is that Hummer? And the transmission died? Too bad Russel and Nigel we're around to show up the Hummer. -Benjamin Smith ---------------- Science Applications Internation Corporation China Lake Naval Air Weapons Center bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil 1972 Land Rover Series III 88 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 15 13:17:35 1994 From: JFisk1120@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 14:11:16 -0500 To: lro@team.net Subject: Land Rover Centerfold Status: RO X-Status: Madman Uncle Roger......that infamous Playboy Land Rover centerfold was in the May 1992 issue. But of course, I wouldn't know...just heard about it. Jan Fisk "I brake for mud puddles" Springfield, Missouri From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 15 15:49:39 1994 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 94 16:18:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: land-rover-owner@stratus.com From: berg@acf2.NYU.EDU (Jeff Berg) Subject: Re: Land Rover Centerfold Status: RO X-Status: >Madman Uncle Roger......that infamous Playboy Land Rover centerfold was in >the May 1992 issue. But of course, I wouldn't know...just heard about it. And it's not THE CENTERFOLD, but rather a two page picture in the Brides Pictorial. (Yup, brides. Don't ask me where a hay-filled series Land-Rover fits in.) JAB == == Jeffrey A. Berg Interactive Telecommunications Program Technical Administrator New York University berg@acf2.nyu.edu ================= My garden is full of papayas and mangos. My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos. Taste for the good life. I can see it no other way. --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version) == == From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 15 15:36:29 1994 From: Spenny@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 16:27:21 -0500 To: Land-Rover-Owner@team.net, dkenner@emr.ca Subject: Re: What is a bugeye? Status: RO X-Status: Dixon Writes... the headlamps stick out of the breakfast on earlier Land Rovers What kind of breakfast cereal do YOU eat? Seriously, Bugeyes were USA, 1968 only? Correct? I was under the impression that bug eyes had 2 sets of headlamps, one set in the wings, recessed in my case, and one set in the -er, breakfast, or as we call it here in the US, radiator panel. Then the Wayback Machine isnt really a bug-eye. Boy, Will it be upset. Spenny Spencer K. C. Norcross Spenny@aol.com Haverhill, Mass. USA 508-373-1788 (W) 508-521-4093 (H) 508-521-1380 (FAX) ===--===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===--=== 1969 IIA SWB Not-Bugeye? - The Wayback Machine Land Rovers on the Information Superhighway! What will they think of next? From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 15 15:51:21 1994 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 94 16:36:06 EST From: Brian Willoughby Subject: LROI American Subscription Info To: land-rover-owner@TEAM.NET Status: RO X-Status: Okay, I'm still waiting for the address of the American distributor for Land Rover Owner International so I can subscribe and not have to scramble about the world looking for my monthly $7.75 per issue copy. I know that there is some information along with all the miscellaneous publishing data; it is both incorrect and imcomplete (note the 4-digit zip code for instance.) This is my third posting regarding this matter and to paraphrase Arlo Guthrie, I'm not tired or proud and I will keep on posting until someone answers me. P.S. I already have the information for Land Rover World--thanks to those who provided it to me. E-mail me directly at the address below. Thanks. Brian Willoughby bawill01@ukcc.uky.edu From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 15 18:38:49 1994 From: "Russell G. Dushin" Subject: Re: Brooke on Letterman last night To: bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil Date: Tue, 15 Nov 94 19:26:12 EST Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: <199411151829.KAA01284@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>; from "Benjamin Allan Smith" at Novth 15, 94 10:29 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.36.1.1] Status: RO X-Status: > > Last night Brooke Shields was on the Letterman show. The only > part that was relivant to this list was she mentioned Andre's Hummer. And > that early in their relationship they were off roading in the middle of > nowhere when the Hummer's transmission emmitted noises and died. > How old is that Hummer? And the transmission died? Too bad > Russel and Nigel we're around to show up the Hummer. > > ahhh.....Too bad that Andre character and his Hummer unit weren't around to be shown up by me and daNige. .......and she didn't even mention me........ snifflesniffle, drat, women-who needs 'em? rd/nige ps if you don't care-don't read it! (should I start with my "how-to delete instructions again??? I think not.) From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 15 19:33:04 1994 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 94 17:30:13 PST From: Brad Krohn To: land-rover-owner@team.net Subject: Bug-Eyes and Lumenition Status: RO X-Status: Text item: Text_1 My Bug-Eye has just the single set of non-recessed lamps in the wings; nothing in the 'lunch basket'. There was an LRO article some time back talking about Rover in North America which included a photo showing same. The same picture is in one of the Land Rover "collectible" books. My registration, etc. says '69 -- and I had heard/read some source that said it actually was the first half of the 69 model year. Of course, my insurance agent has it down as a Toyota LandRover. And, Spenny, remember that Rovers are very forgiving. On another topic, I can report that the Lumenition units are persnickety little devils when your voltage drops anything below normal. The timing gets all whacky and you're reduced to a life of hesitation, backfiring and so on. Nice thing is, keep the electrics up to snuff and it purrrs. ======================================================================= "ROVER? WHO DRIVES IT?" Brad_Krohn@ccm.hf.intel.com "That would be telling." -The Prisoner '69 IIA 88" Bug-Eye ======================================================================= From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 15 20:18:46 1994 To: lro@stratus.com Subject: Diesel pump specs reqd From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Reply-To: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca Date: Tue, 15 Nov 94 20:43:07 -0500 Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada Status: RO X-Status: I have a diesel pump off of a late 2a 88 , a CAV DPA type to check over for a friend. Does anyone have any technical specs on this unit so I can calibrated it on the test bed. Also looking for the braking pressure for the injectors please Rgds Robin Craig -- Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers Nepean, Ontario, Canada | 1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean (OVLR's InterNet site) | Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 16 03:32:20 1994 From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: ITS ON THE ROAD AT LAST !!!!!! To: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au (Craig Murray) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 94 9:29:44 GMT Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9411160215.AA12820@emu.ocs.cpsg.com.au>; from "Craig Murray" at Nov 16, 94 1:15 pm Status: RO X-Status: Craig, Congratulations,and welcome to the Oily Wads Club. I had the same thing happen to me just after I had rebuilt my engine(Dropped a valve,bad news).It just died.And like you,started first go,and has never done it since(touch wood). All I could assume was that there was air in the fuel line, and that said air was blown out in its last gasp. As for the smoking,well,if you ever get it to stop,tell me how!Having the injectors set up helps,as does timing the distributor pump.But the bottom line is I think it will always smoke a bit.Should get better as the engine warms up,though. Cant help with bush performance,I'm afraid.We havent got any:-) Have fun. Cheers Mike Rooth From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 16 03:40:57 1994 From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: Diesel pump specs reqd To: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca Date: Wed, 16 Nov 94 9:38:27 GMT Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: ; from "Robin Craig" at Nov 15, 94 8:43 pm Status: RO X-Status: > > I have a diesel pump off of a late 2a 88 , a CAV DPA type to check over > for a friend. Does anyone have any technical specs on this unit so I can > calibrated it on the test bed. > > Also looking for the braking pressure for the injectors please > > > Rgds > > Robin Craig > > > -- > Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca > FourFold Symmetry, | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers > Nepean, Ontario, Canada | 1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean > (OVLR's InterNet site) | Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4 > There is no data for the distributor pump,even in the Workshop Manual. It says somthing like "return to manufacturer".The message being,"Dont fiddle with it". I'll look up the injector pressures which *are* in the manual.Mind you, I wouldnt fiddle with *them* either.Reconditioned ones are relatively cheap.Its not just the pressures you have to set up,but the spray pattern as well. Cheers Mike Rooth From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 16 05:34:07 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 06:27:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Brooke on Letterman last night To: bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO X-Status: Ben writes... > Last night Brooke Shields was on the Letterman show. The only > part that was relivant to this list was she mentioned Andre's Hummer. And > that early in their relationship they were off roading in the middle of > nowhere when the Hummer's transmission emmitted noises and died. > How old is that Hummer? And the transmission died? Too bad > Russel and Nigel we're around to show up the Hummer. I was talking to a pipe-smoking buddy of mine (who is some sort of motor-pool mechanic in the US Army) a couple of years ago and he said the biggest problem with the Hummer *is* the transmission. He says with the diesel and the automatic tranny, basically any idiot can drive it. Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 16 07:07:45 1994 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 08:01:57 -0500 (EST) From: Jan Hilborn To: Spenny@aol.com Cc: Land-Rover-Owner@team.net, dkenner@emr.ca Subject: Re: What is a bugeye? In-Reply-To: <941115161549_8244413@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: On Tue, 15 Nov 1994 Spenny@aol.com wrote: > Seriously, Bugeyes were USA, 1968 only? Correct? my bugeye (just called The Rover cuz it was my very first and boy oh boy did i learn a lot) was a 1969. an early 1969. jan From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 16 07:54:27 1994 Date: 16 Nov 94 08:50:36 EST From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com> To: Landy Subject: Bugeye Status: RO X-Status: Spenny Writes: >> Seriously, Bugeyes were USA, 1968 only? Correct? Actually, the Bugeye was a response to Australian regulations that required the headlights to be in the wings. The factory made the fast change to react to that regulation and then engineered a proper change on the SIII, but all vehicles, not just the ones for the Australian market, were changed. Cheers, R. P. Reid. From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 16 08:28:00 1994 From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: Bugeye To: 70004.4011@compuserve.com (R. Pierce Reid) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 94 14:24:57 GMT Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <941116135035_70004.4011_FHT56-1@CompuServe.COM>; from "R. Pierce Reid" at Nov 16, 94 8:50 am Status: RO X-Status: > > Spenny Writes: > > >> Seriously, Bugeyes were USA, 1968 only? Correct? > > Actually, the Bugeye was a response to Australian regulations that required the > headlights to be in the wings. The factory made the fast change to react to > that regulation and then engineered a proper change on the SIII, but all > vehicles, not just the ones for the Australian market, were changed. > > Cheers, > > R. P. Reid. > > > Ahh...not *quite* true.The headlamps on my '70 S11A are exactly the same as a S111.Many of the "changes" on the S111 were already in place on late 11As. Not all by any means,but many.For instance my wheel nuts are 1 1/16".In fact a late 11A can be a most confusing machines to order spares for..... cheers Mike Rooth From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Nov 15 20:18:44 1994 From: Craig Murray Subject: ITS ON THE ROAD AT LAST !!!!!! To: lro@team.net Date: Wed, 16 Nov 94 13:15:11 EDT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: RO X-Status: Howdy all, I finally got my Series 1 on the road, after having an engine pipe made up for my exhaust yesterday!! First Impressions. It was noisy, some commented on the fact that it sounded like a tractor. It blew smoke. It was slow. But I loved it, the only problem was the regulator on my altenator is playing up so that it is over charging at the moment, so I could not drive it far, but that should be fixed when I get home tonight. I hope that it stops blowing smoke, once the motor starts to settle in. Any one with experience with 2.25 diesels know about how many miles you have to clock up before the motor is settled in? One thing worried me though, while I was driving up a hill, it all of a sudden lost power, then stalled, for no reason. I had the ignition turned off at the time, so was unsure of what happened with the oil situation (I will have to put an oil presure gauge in soon) I am not sure of why this happened, but the gasket that goes on the inspection plate, where you time the distributor pump was stuffed, and was leaking a fair bit, but when I started the motor, it fired first pop, so if it ran out of diesel, I should have to spin the motor over a bit to re prime the distributor pump. Does any one have any opinions on why it stopped? As it never happened again on the way home, which was at least another 14 miles. I am also curious as to what sort of milage other people get out of 2.25 diesel Landies, as the only other person with one that I know gets about 30MPG no matter what he does, towing a caravan, off roading, but he does have an over drive. Also how do these motor perform up the bush, as this is the main reason that I put this motor in, as I heard that they were fairly good up the bush. Thanks -- ============================================================================== Craig Murray 1955 Series 1 86" LROC of Victoria Australia 2.25 diesel LROC of Gippsland Victoria Australia (Currently on Digest Mode) email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au (Anxiously waiting to drive) From ccray Wed Nov 16 11:55:29 1994 Subject: bears repeating one more time... To: lro@transfer.stratus.com (Land-Rover-Owners FORUM) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:55:29 -0600 (CST) Bcc: ccstm@pinhead.cc.missouri.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2001 Status: O X-Status: It was discussed here earlier, but it bears repeating: McBride Auto Ads 585 Prospect Avenue West Hartford, CT 06105 203-523-1622 These people (upon request) will send you auto ads removed from old magazines. I requested Land Rover ads. I got 38 to choose from. The black/white ones are $2 each and you must pay the postage ($2.81 each way). So, Jan said I could get 5 and it was a hard choice. There were more like 8 that I really liked. Went down to the local frame-it-yourself store and put some matboard frames around them. This was a fun adventure -- the people told you how to do it and only charged you for what you used. green matboard for frame $4.69 foam backing board $7.69 misc supplies $1.00 It came to pass that the board was big enough for 6 prints so I (logically) conviced Jan that we should get one more. I now have mounted in Land Rover Green artboard frames: - What does a Land-Rover do on its weekends off? (It works. Hard!) - Where do old Land-Rovers go? (To work.) - Over 40,000 skilled British workers emigrate every year. - Back in 1951, some people thought the new Land-Rover was a bit expensive. - Land-Rover for Smooth Roads. - I trust my life to my Land-Rover every time it rains. These advertisements were produced during the British Leyland era and I like their subtle sense of humor. I plan to hang them at work -- my hope is that they will trigger conversations and that we can talk about more interesting stuff than work related topics. Total cost for the 6 -- $32est. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ray Harder Columbia, Missouri 314-882-2000 "...you are what you drive..." - 61 SIIa 88 (LULU, aka Experimental) - 66 SIIa 88 (rebuild project) - 69 SIIa 88 (parts) - 87 RR (wife's) - 80 MGB - xx --------------------------------------------------------------------- From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 16 09:21:03 1994 From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: Re: What is a bugeye? To: Spenny@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:18:43 -0500 (EST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <941115161549_8244413@aol.com> from "Spenny@aol.com" at Nov 15, 94 04:27:21 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 681 Status: RO X-Status: > What kind of breakfast cereal do YOU eat? Varies depending on what I was consuming the evening before as a dinner substitute... :-) > Seriously, Bugeyes were USA, 1968 only? Correct? Canada as well. Since it was initially done to conform with Aussie lighting regs, it would be in that market too... Generally I'd say quite a few markets could have them kicking about. > I was under the impression that bug eyes had 2 sets of headlamps, one set in > the wings, recessed in my case, and one set in the -er, breakfast, or as we > call it here in the US, radiator panel. Nope, one set, though I forget the details on how/when the breakfast grill changed size. Rgds From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 16 14:12:38 1994 From: ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu Subject: bears repeating one more time... To: lro@transfer.stratus.com (Land-Rover-Owners FORUM) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:55:29 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2000 Status: RO X-Status: It was discussed here earlier, but it bears repeating: McBride Auto Ads 585 Prospect Avenue West Hartford, CT 06105 203-523-1622 These people (upon request) will send you auto ads removed from old magazines. I requested Land Rover ads. I got 38 to choose from. The black/white ones are $2 each and you must pay the postage ($2.81 each way). So, Jan said I could get 5 and it was a hard choice. There were more like 8 that I really liked. Went down to the local frame-it-yourself store and put some matboard frames around them. This was a fun adventure -- the people told you how to do it and only charged you for what you used. green matboard for frame $4.69 foam backing board $7.69 misc supplies $1.00 It came to pass that the board was big enough for 6 prints so I (logically) conviced Jan that we should get one more. I now have mounted in Land Rover Green artboard frames: - What does a Land-Rover do on its weekends off? (It works. Hard!) - Where do old Land-Rovers go? (To work.) - Over 40,000 skilled British workers emigrate every year. - Back in 1951, some people thought the new Land-Rover was a bit expensive. - Land-Rover for Smooth Roads. - I trust my life to my Land-Rover every time it rains. These advertisements were produced during the British Leyland era and I like their subtle sense of humor. I plan to hang them at work -- my hope is that they will trigger conversations and that we can talk about more interesting stuff than work related topics. Total cost for the 6 -- $32est. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ray Harder Columbia, Missouri 314-882-2000 "...you are what you drive..." - 61 SIIa 88 (LULU, aka Experimental) - 66 SIIa 88 (rebuild project) - 69 SIIa 88 (parts) - 87 RR (wife's) - 80 MGB - xx --------------------------------------------------------------------- From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 16 15:03:12 1994 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:03:51 -0800 To: lro@stratus.com From: jfhess@ucdavis.edu (John Hess) Subject: tires and 6 cyl engines Status: RO X-Status: Howdy gang, I don't want to waste the electrons but would like to solicit input on a couple of items. 1. Tyres. On the jeep I used to own were good(year?) wranglers. They came on the thing new and IMHO were just fine. Not too noisy and for my off roading, worked fine; I did manage to cut a sidewall that then collapsed on the freeway but .... Without starting a tire war, could I get opinions on tires for a 109? Thanks. Second, (not only for Robert Davis) What is (are) the differences between the european 6 cyl land rover engine and the NADA 6 cyl. Are they completely different everything? From the rovers north catalog, some 6 cyl parts are available and some NADA are not. The reason I ask is that the dormobile I am buying has the 6 in it. As it is not a NADA I would like to learn a bit about it while I spend the next 10 long days before going to pick it up and drive it home. Feel free to email me or post to the list. Not yet a rover owner, but soon, John Hess, PhD Phone me 916 752 8420 Dept of Human Anatomy FAX me 916 752 8520 University of Calif Email me jfhess@ucdavis.edu Davis, CA or leave me alone, your choice. From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 16 15:40:16 1994 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 08:57:24 -0800 (PST) From: Morgan Hannaford To: Mike Rooth Cc: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com>, lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: Bugeye In-Reply-To: <9411161424.AA17411@hpc.lut.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 16 Nov 1994, Mike Rooth wrote: > > > > Spenny Writes: > > > > >> Seriously, Bugeyes were USA, 1968 only? Correct? > > > > Actually, the Bugeye was a response to Australian regulations that required the > > headlights to be in the wings. The factory made the fast change to react to > > that regulation and then engineered a proper change on the SIII, but all > > vehicles, not just the ones for the Australian market, were changed. > > > > Cheers, > > > > R. P. Reid. > > > > > > > Ahh...not *quite* true.The headlamps on my '70 S11A are exactly the same as > a S111.Many of the "changes" on the S111 were already in place on late 11As. > Not all by any means,but many.For instance my wheel nuts are 1 1/16".In fact > a late 11A can be a most confusing machines to order spares for..... > cheers > Mike Rooth > > Here, here- My Rover feels so transitional........ Morgan H. 1969 IIA P.S. the headlamps in mine are just like the ser. III. On the original Rover quest, I visited (what the guy said was) a 1967 IIA, and it had bug-eye (regular IIA bezels) headlamps on the wings. I didn't know any better at the time. From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 16 17:02:02 1994 Date: 16 Nov 94 17:54:46 EST From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> To: land-rover-owner-list Subject: Six cylinders Status: RO X-Status: Robert Davis (robdav@sunshine.vab.paramax.com) confessed: > (...snip...snip...) I like the six cylinders and think they > will give good service if you maintain them. Please no chatter on > ... ...and if you have access to free fuel (that's no chatter, just a fact) :-> Stefan From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 16 17:04:37 1994 Via: uk.ac.stirling; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 23:02:10 +0000 Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest To: Land-Rover-Owner@Team.Net Date: Wed, 16 Nov 94 23:01:39 GMT From: Simba the lion cub In-Reply-To: <199411150755.HAA22911@chunnel.uk.stratus.com>; from "owner-lro-digest@uk.stratus.com" at Nov 15, 94 7:55 am Status: RO X-Status: unsubscribe From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 16 19:02:28 1994 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:55:16 +1000 From: rwalker@dolphin.fen.qut.edu.au (Rodney Walker) Subject: HELP - Interchangeability ?? To: Land-Rover-Owner@Team.Net Cc: RA.Walker@qut.edu.au X-Envelope-To: Land-Rover-Owner@Team.Net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Length: 1434 X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: I have just bought a '58 series I 109" ute as a parts vehicle for my '55 series I 86" SWB. The parts vehicle is located about 3 hours west of where I live, and I go out to it when I need parts for my '55. I am going out this weekend to get a truckload of parts off of it and I need to know how interchangeable are the front and rear diff components. My front diff is trashed, bad chrome, bad uni's etc. But the parts vehicle seems to have excellent chrome and good uni's. Are the two diffs totally interchangeable for parts. Are the ratios the same? I don't want to have to pull out the whole diff, just the parts that I need since it is only me going and I don't think that I could throw a front diff into the back of my Jeep withou doing some serious damage. Also what is the current price of the orig. ser. I heater in the UK. I tried to price one locally yesterday and they said forget it. Basically I am having difficulties getting any new parts here. I seem to have to rely on parts from wrecks. What is the new parts situation for series I landrovers like in the UK. Thanks for the help Rod ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rodney A. Walker phone: +61-7-8645187 Space Centre for Satellite Navigation fax: +61-7-8641517 Queensland University of Technology email: RA.Walker@qut.edu.au ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 16 19:51:45 1994 To: lro@stratus.com Subject: 109 / 110 dormobile swap From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Reply-To: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca Date: Wed, 16 Nov 94 20:10:18 -0500 Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada Status: RO X-Status: >From what I can make out, it should be possible to make a 110 dormobile if you had all the bits from a 109, plus a series 3 windscreen. That is, the overall dimensions of the 109 / 110 are the same, including the door opening, so, presuming that a 109 dormobile was a 2a, replae the windshield with a series 3, that gives you the common mounting to the bulkhead but gives you the correct top of the windshield configuration. then carry on with the rest of the dormobile top. Now if you carry this one a stage further then you will realise that the carawagon military commanders vehcile conversions to 109/s would also be possible. Any comments? Robin Craig -- Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers Nepean, Ontario, Canada | 1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean (OVLR's InterNet site) | Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 16 19:26:09 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:25:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: What is a bugeye? To: dkenner@emr.ca, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"dkenner@emr.ca" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO X-Status: Bugeyes.. Breakfasts grills.. Whatzis all about?? > > > Seriously, Bugeyes were USA, 1968 only? Correct? > ----snip--- > > I was under the impression that bug eyes had 2 sets of headlamps, one ----snip--- > Nope, one set, though I forget the details on how/when the > breakfast grill changed size. Ok... The Bugeye question is clear enough.. but exactly why the term "breakfast" and is it just the grill or the complete radiator panel?? Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 16 20:46:07 1994 To: lro@stratus.com Subject: kids story book From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Reply-To: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca Date: Wed, 16 Nov 94 20:28:00 -0500 Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada Status: RO X-Status: For anyone who really knows me, the fact that I collect anything with "Land Rover" on it will not astonish. A few years ago while donating plasma at the local Red Cross, one of the nurses came over and showed me a book that she had for her kids. It is called "Farmer Barnes and the Snow Picnic", it recounts a tale of winter woe in 109 truck cab in merry ole england, endured by the Barnes family. The author is John Cunliffe and was first published in '74 by Ander deutsch ltd in london uk. The ISBN # is 0 233 96572 6 those librarian types need it to track it down! IF ANYONE HAS ACCESS TO A SALEABLE COPY i'M YOUR BUYER!!! Does anyone know if this book is still available? Regards Robin Craig -- Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers Nepean, Ontario, Canada | 1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean (OVLR's InterNet site) | Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 16 22:23:07 1994 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 22:22:37 -0600 (CST) From: David John Place To: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> Cc: land-rover-owner-list Subject: Re: Fuel consumption In-Reply-To: <941023004945_100043.2400_BHJ42-1@CompuServe.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: Does anyone know the North American numbers for the upper, lower and short rad hose that goes between the thermostat housing and the pump? I need to replace all the larger hoses and if the smaller tapered one is available as after market, let me know the number. I suspect the tapered one is special order and expensive. There must be some NAPA or other replacements available. Dave VE4PN From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 16 22:54:43 1994 Date: 16 Nov 94 23:50:27 EST From: "Stephen O'Hearn" <72700.3262@compuserve.com> To: Land Rover Digest Subject: Drain plug for R380 5-spd Status: RO X-Status: I've looked and looked but can't seem to find it. Frankly it's not there. However, there is a slot open at the bottom of the bellhousing. Am I blind (could be) or is there no drain plug on the R380? This enquiring mind wants to know! I've seen the Defender hard top (well, ok, pictures) and it looks good. I think I'll remain a soft top owner. I'm lucky, I have that option here in SoCal. I'll get somebody else to drive on the ski trips. Never heard anything about Zeibart undercoating. Any comments out there? 'Nuff said. Stephen O'Hearn '94 Defender 90 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Nov 16 23:32:47 1994 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 22:31:51 -0700 (MST) From: James Spyker Subject: Re: Series I Fuel Tank For Sale (f To: lro@team.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: I'm a proud new member of the Land Rover Owners circle having fulfilled a long time dream to own the ultimate 4wd this summer. I managed to purchase a 1967 Series IIA and what is registered as a 1969 Series IIA but appears to be a 68. Both had been sitting in a field for a couple years but the 69 had a new rebuild on the engine , new tires, roll bar, and some oddball seats. A little coaxing with fuel down the carb after the initial preperations she fired right up and dorve 300 km home. The 67 unit needed more work, and was beyond my funding and time availabilty so has since been sold. All this is a long way to get to the first point of my message which is: Series I fuel tank for sale. In excellent condition with what appears to be a working sender. Reasonable offers. Please leave email to jspyker@ualberta.ab.ca My second question is about the availability of a cheap source for road spring in North America, preferably Canada. Mine are sadly worn and practically rest on the bump stops. My transmission also makes the noise described by someone earlierr, a reliable friend suggests that it needs new bearings all around. Is there anyone with some tips before I set to rebuilding it. It is great to finally find this list on Internet, it will really help me when I move out of Edmonton to the remote areas of Northern Canada. Thanks for your replies in advance. > > From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 17 04:20:09 1994 Date: 17 Nov 94 05:12:49 EST From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> To: lro Subject: Re: Bugeyes.. Breakfasts grills Status: RO X-Status: > Ok... The Bugeye question is clear enough.. but exactly why the term > "breakfast" and is it just the grill or the complete radiator panel?? I've got some information way in the back of my head (where my brain is located) - I hope it's correct - that the term "breakfast grill" was coined Down Under where the military in the old days used the S.I and S.IIA grills ... well, to *grill*. Remember, they're still made of thick metall mesh as opposed to the plastic junk you find from S.III onwards. On a fresh Outback morning, the troopers would just take the grill of their Landy, set it on four rocks, make a fire under it, set their billabong and pan on it and - make their breakfast. ...now you'll want to know what a billabong is. Craig, you tell'em. Stefan From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 17 06:59:39 1994 Via: uk.ac.edinburgh.castle; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 12:43:25 +0000 From: Mr Ian Stuart Organization: Vet-lab,The Univ of Edinburgh To: lro@stratus.com Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 12:43:02 +0000 Subject: LRO Arrived Reply-To: Ian.Stuart@edinburgh.ac.uk Priority: normal Status: RO X-Status: For those who are following this sort of thing: LRO arrived yesterday (16/11/94) in Scotland. ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 31 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. WWW sites: Work -- Play -- #======================================================================# I'm not a computing nerd, I'm a computing geek. |Land Rover owners do Geeks are much higher up the evolutionary chain. | it in the mud. From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 17 07:52:57 1994 From: ShaunC8958@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 08:47:59 -0500 To: land-rover-owner@team.net Subject: Range Rover Status: RO X-Status: I am the happy owner of an 88 red RR (112K mi) with a few questions for the list about niggling problems: 1. Dashboard warning lights--The red oil pressure and orange power steering indicators flicker (not flash) intermittently, occasionally stay on for a few seconds, etc. Oil and steering fluid appear fine. Is this model known for electrical bugs and what might the fix be? 2. Droopy headliner--The cloth roof liner at both rear corners of the vehicle has separated from the backing and begun to sag. I assume there is a leak but haven't found the source. Where's the water coming from and how does one repair the sags? 3. Manuals--Does anyone have, or have a source, for the manuals for this vehicle? New ones via the dealer or Atlantic British are awfully pricy... Thanks all. Good list, esp. the technical and rally stuff. --Shaun Carrigan, Nashville, TN From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 17 08:03:20 1994 From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: Bugeyes.. Breakfasts grills To: 100043.2400@compuserve.com (Stefan R. Jacob) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 14:00:57 GMT Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <941117101248_100043.2400_EHK21-1@CompuServe.COM>; from "Stefan R. Jacob" at Nov 17, 94 5:12 am Status: RO X-Status: > > > > Ok... The Bugeye question is clear enough.. but exactly why the term > > "breakfast" and is it just the grill or the complete radiator panel?? > > I've got some information way in the back of my head (where my brain is > located) - I hope it's correct - that the term "breakfast grill" was > coined Down Under where the military in the old days used the S.I and > S.IIA grills ... well, to *grill*. Remember, they're still made of > thick metall mesh as opposed to the plastic junk you find from S.III > onwards. On a fresh Outback morning, the troopers would just take the > grill of their Landy, set it on four rocks, make a fire under it, set > their billabong and pan on it and - make their breakfast. > ...now you'll want to know what a billabong is. Craig, you tell'em. > > Stefan > > > Makes you wonder what they did when they rode horses..... Mike Rooth From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 17 08:34:39 1994 Via: uk.ac.edinburgh.castle; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 14:06:58 +0000 From: Mr Ian Stuart Organization: Vet-lab,The Univ of Edinburgh To: lro@stratus.com Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 14:06:06 +0000 Subject: Re: LRO Arrived Reply-To: Ian.Stuart@edinburgh.ac.uk Priority: normal Status: RO X-Status: > Bloody sickening........Is it any good? Have they put an > auto box (Yeeeugh) in that poor old S111? Does anybody > (gasp) get their *hands* dirty? > Cheers > Mike Rooth > > No, but the red 90 has great big holes chopped in it's side and the 88 gets a new owner... ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 31 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. WWW sites: Work -- Play -- #======================================================================# I'm not a computing nerd, I'm a computing geek. |Land Rover owners do Geeks are much higher up the evolutionary chain. | it in the mud. From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 17 09:20:16 1994 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 10:17:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: land-rover-owner@stratus.com From: berg@acf2.NYU.EDU (Jeff Berg) Subject: Re: Bugeyes.. Breakfasts grills Status: RO X-Status: >On a fresh Outback morning, the troopers would just take the >grill of their Landy, set it on four rocks, make a fire under it, set >their billabong and pan on it and - make their breakfast. >...now you'll want to know what a billabong is. Craig, you tell'em. A Billabong is a stagnant backwater which is only full during the rainy season. (Or a surfboard.) Biltong is strips of sun-dried meat. Is this what you mean, or does Billabong have another slang meaning known only to folks down under? Regards. JAB == == Jeffrey A. Berg Interactive Telecommunications Program Technical Administrator New York University berg@acf2.nyu.edu ================= My garden is full of papayas and mangos. My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos. Taste for the good life. I can see it no other way. --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version) == == From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 17 09:40:56 1994 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 10:39:17 EST From: robdav@sunshine.vab.paramax.com (Robert Davis) To: Land-Rover-Owner@team.net Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Status: RO X-Status: A number of owners and prespective owners asked what are the differences among the NADA 6 cylinder and the European six cylinder engines? Rather than respond to each request for information, I will adress the group. Hope this is not considered chatter! The Land Rover six cylinder engines are ba(overran the line) are basically a series I "F" head design with two additional cylinders. The basic "F" head has the exhaust valves in the angled block with the intake valves made into the wedge shaped head. The carb is on the right side of the engine forming a "cross flow" to the exhaust on the left side of the block. The "F" head desigh was used for years and is famous for very smooth running and poor gas mileage when running out of tune. The european six has just under 100 BHP, while the NADA version has over 125 BHP. Westlake Engineering originally designed a high performance head for the 3.0 liter engine used in Rover cars. it was the three liter head design that became the basis for the NADA six cylinder, a very different engine from the European six cyl. The NADA (North American Dollar Area) six cylinder reached its peak amount of torque at higher RPMs when compared to other Rover engines, Used a SU carb (close to the Jag XKE) and could not be fitted to RH drive vehicles beause of the removable manifold. The Euro six has the intake manifold integral with the head. The are other major differences: oil pan, compression ratios, and so on. The most suited six cyl was only installed on special vehicles: the 3.0 liter. I have installed these engines in six cylinder 109s with excellent performance. You can drive away in 4th gear with no difficulty. The expected mileage in U.S. gallons of the NADA 15 to 20 MPG, Euro slightly less, 3.0 six 10 to 16. Oil coolers are recommended with the six. The easy difference from the Euro and Westlake engines (includes NADA) is the inlet manifold, carb, and air cleaner. The Euro uses the oil bath, while the Westlake uses this hudge muffler looking thing that holds a paper element above the valve cover. Have over a douzen of the things. R&D. From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 17 09:51:36 1994 From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: Re: What is a bugeye? To: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:48:07 -0500 (EST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <01HJK65E8UAWAAVGLH@delphi.com> from "LANDROVER@delphi.com" at Nov 16, 94 08:25:15 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 311 Status: RO X-Status: > Ok... The Bugeye question is clear enough.. but exactly why the term > "breakfast" and is it just the grill or the complete radiator panel?? The breakfast is the whole steel panel that the radiator bolts to. Why the term? Not a clue, but that's what a number of people seem to call it... :-) Rgds, From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 17 11:53:07 1994 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 12:30:46 EST From: Brian Willoughby Subject: Bugeyes To: land-rover-owner@TEAM.NET Status: RO X-Status: I have sometimes heard my Series II referred to as a "Bugeye" as well. It seems that since the headlamps stand "proud" of the grille panel (breakfast?) on Series IIs, they should be named "Bugeyes," too. If you will note, the lamps on IIAs are recessed into the grille panel and have no chromed surrounds like the IIs' type of lamp. This lamp (apparently a standard Lucas fixture as it was used on countless British cars) was again used on the transistional IIAs with wing-mounted lamps before they became recessed like before. As someone noted a few days ago, this lamp unit was used on Series Is except for the earliest of the range with the full wire mesh grille covering everything. If you have a copy of James Taylor's "The Land-Rover 1948-1988: A Collector's Guide" you will see a transistional IIA posing alongside one with the older style grill-mounted lamps. Also, in the "Land-Rover Series II and IIA 1958- 1971" volume of the Brooklands Book series by R. M. Clarke, there is a reprint of an article entitled "88 Inches of Get There" that reviews one of the IIAs (a '69, I believe) in question. Personally, I feel that this "Bugeye" thing is rather arbitrary; if you like it, you use it, if you don't you don't. It seems that some people call everything with portuding headlamps a "Bugeye." Others contend that a "Bugeye" can only be a certain L-R variation, specifically, '69 IIAs. If you must have a Bugeye, go out and buy an Austin Healey Sprite Mark I. Though some people call them "Frogeyes"... Brian Willoughby bawill01@ukcc.uky.edu From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 17 12:22:24 1994 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:20:49 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool) Subject: Re: 109/110 dormobile top-swap Cc: lro@team.net Status: RO X-Status: Robin, you said: >>From what I can make out, it should be possible to make a 110 dormobile >if you had all the bits from a 109, plus a series 3 windscreen. > >That is, the overall dimensions of the 109 / 110 are the same, including >the door opening, so, presuming that a 109 dormobile was a 2a, replae the >windshield with a series 3, that gives you the common mounting to the >bulkhead but gives you the correct top of the windshield configuration. > >then carry on with the rest of the dormobile top. Now if you carry this >one a stage further then you will realise that the carawagon military >commanders vehcile conversions to 109/s would also be possible. > >Any comments? If I were wanting t convert a 110 to a Dormobile, I would look really hard at moving the Dormobile conversion bits to the 110 roof so as to keep the 110's taller windscreen. I am tall and hate the older-type windscreens as I have to bend over a lot to see out. Maybe for a shorter person the series-type windscreens are OK but not for me. One conversion I have long considered for one of my Series IIIs is to modify the roof to accept the 110 windscreen and have wondered why no company in England has not developed such a conversion. It seems to me that it would be fairly easy to cut out the roof of a 110 to accept the Dormobile's fibreglass flange which mates to the lift-up section. On the 109s the only other modification made was the shortening of the stiffening ribs to fit only on the remaining section of the slope of the roof. If you have a newer 110 with the ribless roof, this problem would not exist. If you have an older 110 with a ribbed roof, you could transfer the shortened ribs from the Dormobile top. Just a thought... Regards, Granville ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ] [ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ] From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 17 12:29:07 1994 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:21:06 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: LANDROVER@delphi.com From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool) Subject: Bugeyes for breakfast Cc: lro@team.net Status: RO X-Status: Fellow netters with inquiring minds wish to know all about bugeyes and breakfasts... Michael Loiodice (how do you pronounce that?) and others before him ask: [snip] >Bugeyes.. Breakfasts grills.. Whatzis all about?? [snip] >Ok... The Bugeye question is clear enough.. but exactly why the term >"breakfast" and is it just the grill or the complete radiator panel?? [snip] Well, the early books called the whole panel or perhaps the whole recessed area between the wings the "Radiator Breakfast" and I have always remembered that as one more charming Britishism. When I had a Jag XK-150 the manual had all sorts of other neat ones, such as "rear wing valance" for what we colonials call a fender skirt and "wheel knave plate" for what we call a hub cap. It's all part of the mystique of having old British vehicles and I love it. My main reason for this posting is to share an arcane bit of knowledge that I stumbled across recently: About 10 years ago, I parted out a '68 bugeye 88" Land-Rover. I saved the "breakfast" and the grille for whatever future use I might have for it. About three years ago I acquired a 1974 Series III 88" which had a damaged grille (love that plastic). I had figured that I would eventually replace the grille with the one from the '68. I did not immediately do so because it was obvious that it would also be necessary to transfer over the two rivetted-on clips at the bottom of the grille opening from the bugeye as well. Recently I acquired another Series III, a '73, which had had a tree limb poke through the grille and destroy it (along with the radiator). The former owner's replacement solution was a section of heavy expanded metal (lovely). So now I got serious about using the nice wire grille from the bugeye. WELL! I got a big surprise: It doesn't fit! I compared the wire grille and breakfast panel from the bugeye with those on my 1970 Series IIa and found them to be totally different. The wire grille on the '70 has a fat "cross" shape, with a dropped, as well as raised, middle section; the openings in the breakfast panel match, with the side ones shorter both top and bottom than the middle one and the panel seems to be the same as the SIII except for the screw holes of the SIII to accomodate attachment of the plastic grille. But the panel from the bugeye has openings which are even across the bottom and the grille is straight across the bottom, giving it a fat inverted "tee" shape. Far out, huh? Another observation: Not all Series IIIs had plastic grilles. Gerry Mugele, who recently joined the Rover-Net, has a 1972 Series III (probably the nicest one I have ever seen) and his has a wire grille. He bought it from the original owner, a close friend, and so knows that the grille is original. Interesting, huh? I always love looking over any old Land-Rover because there is always something different about it, something new to learn. It's a good part of what gives the lovable beasts such personality, eh wot? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ Granville Pool (Redwood Valley, CA) Appraiser, R/W Agent, LR aficionado ] [ e-mail: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net ** Ph:(707)485-7220 H,(707)463-4265 W ] From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 17 12:25:24 1994 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:21:46 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: jfhess@ucdavis.edu (John Hess) From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool) Subject: Re: tires and 6-cyl. engines Cc: lro@team.net Status: RO X-Status: John, About the 6-cylinder Dormobile not being a NADA; count yourself lucky. Although I understand that the NADA engine had a little more power, there were very few made and parts are problematic. For more power it would be better to substitute the 3-liter engine from a Rover sedan, as parts are more readily available than for a NADA 2.6-liter engine and probably even more so (in England at least) than for a 2.6-liter non-NADA engine. However, if I had such a Land-Rover I would, with all possible dispatch, replace the LR six with a Scotty-conversion Chevy six, either a 250 (4.2-liter) or 292 (4.8-liter). With all the weight of a Dormobile conversion and the load of gear you are likely to haul, it seems to me that the extra power is much needed. On tyres: I would stick with 7.50x16 size tyres. Firestone Steeltex Radial ATX 23-degree mud tires are available in this size if you want gnarly, also BFG's Trac-edge (popular in England) for more of a snow tread, and, I think, Yokahama Super Diggers for more of an all-terrain design similar to (but, I think, a little more aggressive than) the Wranglers you mentioned. Interesting that you were happy with the Wranglers, as I have just worn out a set on my Dodge Dakota 4x4 pickup (they were original on it, like your Jeep) and have not been happy with them. They seem prone to hydroplaning on very wet roads, are worse than useless in mud, and have not worn particuarly well (about 33,000 miles). I am now trying to figure what I will replace them with. Other brands are probably also available in 7.50x16 but those I mentioned are just the ones I have seen advertised. I definitely favor radials and the ride and handling are so much better and the traction, too. As for vulnerability of sidewalls, most of the off-road types are pretty well reinforced nowadays and anyway it's worth the risk, even if you have to carry two spares (looks very cool and official, anyway, to sport two spares). Of course the standard expedition tyre for a Land-Rover is the Michelin XZY (12-ply rating, *very* tough but it has a very unaggressive tread) or the Michelin XCL (directional mud-grip, looks like a directional motorcycle knobby) as used on the Camel Trophy vehicles. Domingos Dias who has the Camel Trophy 110 just bought a new set of six XCLs from England (not available in U.S. anymore) at a cost of about $200 each (ouch!) and says they are rough-riding and very noisy. But I have read that they wear pretty well and handle pretty well on the highway and, boy, do they look cool! I have seen a number of 109 owners go to 235/85x16s on the stock wheels but these wheels are (normally) only 5.5" wide and IMHO are too narrow for that size tyre. If you want to go to that tyre size, you should go to the wider (6.5") wheels used on 1-ton 109s, 127/130s, and on U.S.-spec Defender 110s. But unless you are luck enough to already have these (possible but not likely) they are very expensive to buy. The steel wheels used on Discoveries (but not in the U.S.) are 7" wide and nice looking and can be bought reasonably from England (I think) but what I don't know is whether or not they would really be strong enough for a 109, especially a Dormobile. 235/85s do appeal in that they are available in just about any style of tyre you could want. Hope this helps. Have fun! Granville From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 17 12:24:16 1994 From: "Walter C. Swain" Subject: Re: Drain plug for R380 5-spd To: 72700.3262@compuserve.com (Stephen O'Hearn) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:23:19 -0800 (PST) Cc: lro@team.net In-Reply-To: <941117045026_72700.3262_DHE54-1@CompuServe.COM> from "Stephen O'Hearn" at Nov 16, 94 11:50:27 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1746 Status: RO X-Status: Stephen, Since nobody has come up with anything better, let me offer the following. My father lives in deepest, darkest, saltiest southwestern Connecticut, an area well known for the rusting of cars. As a result he has had his cars (at least the few he has bought new) subjected to the Ziebart treatment. This is no mere undercoating of course, but a full blown injection process for frame and body alike. The two I am aware of were a 1968 Rambler American Station Wagon and a 1986 Subaru Wagon. The Rambler outlasted even my father's willingness to fuss with it, and he sold it after only 20 years. I think that 6 of those years were spent in storage while he was working in Europe, so the exposure was reduced, but funny things can happen to stored cars and their bodies. The Subaru is alive and well, in daily use summer and winter with little sign of the dreaded rust cancer. He has to keep an eye on external rust spots, of course, but they are easily dealt with using basic naval chipping and painting techniques. One other thing: it can add significant additional weight to the vehicle. Walter Swain Davis, CA > > I've looked and looked but can't seem to find it. Frankly it's not there. > However, there is a slot open at the bottom of the bellhousing. Am I blind > (could be) or is there no drain plug on the R380? This enquiring mind wants > to know! > > I've seen the Defender hard top (well, ok, pictures) and it looks good. I > think I'll remain a soft top owner. I'm lucky, I have that option here in > SoCal. I'll get somebody else to drive on the ski trips. > > Never heard anything about Zeibart undercoating. Any comments out there? > > 'Nuff said. > > Stephen O'Hearn > '94 Defender 90 > > From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 17 14:07:33 1994 From: "Rostykus, John" To: LRO List Subject: Re: tires and 6-cyl. engines Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 11:56:00 PST Encoding: 21 TEXT Status: RO X-Status: Granville writes: >... or the Michelin XCL (directional mud-grip, looks like a directional >motorcycle knobby) as used on the Camel Trophy vehicles. Domingos Dias who >has the Camel Trophy 110 just bought a new set of six XCLs from England (not >available in U.S. anymore) at a cost of about $200 each (ouch!) and says >they are rough-riding and very noisy. But I have read that they wear pretty >well and handle pretty well on the highway and, boy, do they look cool! I looked into finding XCL's recently at the local Les Schwab dealer. After making several phone calls, they said they're available for around $150/ea, and are sitting in a Michelin warehouse in Nevada. They are not listed as available in any sales literature, but are still available if you ask. While this isn't 'cheap', it's a bit better than trying to ship them from England... Rosty john@data-io.com From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 17 15:55:21 1994 Date: 17 Nov 94 16:42:53 EST From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> To: land-rover-owner-list Subject: Re: ITS ON THE ROAD AT LAST Status: RO X-Status: > I finally got my Series 1 on the road, ...(...snip...) Congratulations! >It was noisy, some commented on the fact that it sounded like a tractor. >It blew smoke. >It was slow. #1 and #3 are normal, and it will stay that way. >that it stops blowing smoke, once the motor starts to settle in. Any one >with experience with 2.25 diesels know about how many miles you have to >clock up before the motor is settled in? The smoking should cease (more or less) after you put some miles (~2000) on it and a nice compact carbon cake has developed in your cylinders. You might also want to check the air intake (diesels *love* lots of fresh air). And the one thing the old Rover diesel hates is being revved up, even after having been broken in. >One thing worried me though, while I was driving up a hill, it all of a >sudden lost power, then stalled, for no reason. I had the ignition Maybe there was still an air bubble trapped somewhere in the fuel system. Did you 'flood' the fuel filter before installing it?? I wouldn't worry about it unless the problem reoccurs. >I am also curious as to what sort of milage other people get out of 2.25 >diesel Landies, as the only other person with one that I know gets about >30MPG no matter what he does, towing a caravan, off roading, but he does >have an over drive. 30 mpg is *very* good, almost too good (to be true). In any case, it would be attributable to the overdrive. Get one! In one of the early LRW issues which featured the installation of an OD, the Fairey (now Superwinch) overdrive was dubbed "Gods gift to the Land Rover driver" - and that's just what it is. >Also how do these motor perform up the bush, as this is the main reason >that I put this motor in, as I heard that they were fairly good up the bush. They're ok in the bush, *provided* - you have sufficient cooling (install the eight-blade 'tropics' fan or an additional electric fan - manual switch will do - for extreme thermal conditions); - air filter is checked and cleaned _daily_ under extremely dusty conditions; - the fuel filter is clear (always carry 2-3 spare ones with you). If these three things are tended to, you'll never have problems. Enjoy! Stefan From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 17 16:46:52 1994 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 14:45:35 PST From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn) To: john@dspmail.Data-IO.COM, lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: tires and 6-cyl. engines Status: RO X-Status: What size are these XCL's? Do they fit Range Rovers? John Brabyn 89RR From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 17 17:37:42 1994 From: "Rostykus, John" To: LRO List Subject: Re: tires and 6-cyl. engines Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 15:33:00 PST Encoding: 15 TEXT Status: RO X-Status: >What size are these XCL's? Do they fit Range Rovers? > >John Brabyn >89RR They are 7.50x16's, too big for RR's. I did not ask about other sizes, but it's worth asking. The guys at the Les Schwab store were more than happy to make many phone calls to prove they could find what I wanted. I have XCL's on my 90, with about 50% tread. They are *very* noisy on the freeway, but then again, so is the diesel... Rosty john@data-io.com From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 18 01:00:43 1994 To: LAND-ROVER-OWNER@TEAM.NET From: "Barry Dudley" Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 22:58:56 +200 Subject: IT MAKES A REGULAR THUMPING SOUND.... X-Gateway: iGate, (WP Office) vers 2.01a - 1008 Status: RO X-Status: Hello All, RE: Lots of directions, some advice, and a few kind words required. I decided to clean JOY'S air filter this afternoon (the masters was getting a little boring), which was fine but when it came to start her up again all i got was a regular thumping sound from deep within her engine (a ford V6 3L)!! Q1 - what could i have done that caused this? After trying to fix it (checking if the fan was hitting anything, taking off the air filter cover, taking out the spark plugs and peering at them) and finding nothing wrong i called the local AA, who within 2 seconds said it was "TAPPETS". Q2 - Is that possible? From running perfectly to having the tappets out - i thought that it took ages (a fair while at least) to happen, during which time you sort of know it is happening. Q3 - Now - if it is the tappets (and i will be setting them myself) i believe that one needs to take off all sorts of things, know how the engine fires (the order) and the gap it needs to set at. I need some considerable advice here - as in how to proceed and do it (having never got into an engine as yet......). Q4 - While doing the dirty deed, is there anything else i should check, correct, look at, observe, clean? It sort of makes sense to go the whole hog (as JOY has never had it done before) while it is all in pieces. ANY HELP WILL BE MOST APPRECIATED!! (ESPECIALLY STORIES OF HOW IT HAPPENED TO YOU IN A SAND STORM WITH ONLY A SWISS ARMY KNIFE AS A TOOL ON YOUR FIRST DATE WITH YOUR NEW SPADE (GIRL FRIEND) - AND HOW YOU FIXED IT IN TIME FOR THE LATE SHOW. Thanx Barry Dudley DUDLEY@MICR.UNP.AC.ZA From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 17 19:04:17 1994 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:00:17 -0600 (CST) From: David John Place To: James Spyker Cc: lro@team.net Subject: Re: Series I Fuel Tank For Sale (f In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: Jim- You have lots of parts available right in your neck of the woods. Give Malcolm Engleman at Onoway a call. Hi number is 967-5531. Tell him Dave from Selkirk said Hi. He has lots of used and new parts and I am sure he can get you back in shape for little outlay. He has some old units with good undercarriages etc. in his field at the farm. From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 17 22:19:27 1994 From: "T.F. Mills" Subject: Re: kids story book To: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 21:20:15 -0700 (MST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: from "Robin Craig" at Nov 16, 94 08:28:00 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1052 Status: RO X-Status: Robin asks about: < "Farmer Barnes and the Snow Picnic", it recounts a tale of < winter woe in 109 truck cab in merry ole england, endured by the Barnes < family. < The author is John Cunliffe and was first published in '74 by Ander < deutsch ltd in london uk. < The ISBN # is 0 233 96572 6 those librarian types need it to track it < down! < IF ANYONE HAS ACCESS TO A SALEABLE COPY i'M YOUR BUYER!!! < Does anyone know if this book is still available? Well, I suppose I'm the token librarian type around here (dirty job, but cleaner than a floosy bimbo in the back of an 88)... I'm afraid the book is out of print. But where there's a will... Call around some local used bookstores and ask about their tracking service. There's bound to be at least one that will promise to deliver anything. But be prepared perhaps twice what the book was worth new (depending on condition, search fee, etc.) T. F. Mills tomills@du.edu University of Denver Library 2150 E. Evans Ave. Denver CO 80208 USA From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 17 22:20:08 1994 From: ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu (Benjamin Allan Smith) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:20:16 -0800 To: lro@team.net Subject: Land Rover 24 Hours of Aspen ski endurance event X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #14 (NOV) Status: RO X-Status: I saw this in rec.sport.ski.crosscountry or something similar. Is this a Land Rover sponsered event? Anyone got any info on it? Todd Mills? Benjamin Smith SAIC/China Lake NAWC ----forwarded message-------- The RPG is pleasedd to announce its exclusive coverage of the Land Rover 24 Hours of Aspen ski endurance event. The land Rover 24 hours of Aspen can be found at http://www.infosphere.com/aspen/sports/24 hours/index.html This site will be turned on and maintained daily up to the event which begins Monday, November the 28th at 12:00 noon until 12:00 noon the following day. Upcoming events are November the 19th all you need to know about the race and racers. The following wek will be a buildup of the event in which we covwe training and local ski conditions of Aspen , Colorado. during the event in which 10 teams from around the world race each other against the clock and each other to overcome fatigue and the hope of setting a world record for the most vertical feet/meters skied in 24 hours while rasing money for local non profits. This a internet www first so stay tuned over the next few days to get a glisme of the racers in action as they prepare for the upcoming race on the 28th. The race coverage will begin at 12:00pm on Monday the 28th and last until the 28th the following day. Updates will be every four hours are sooner if I can get the timing worked out. check this out From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 17 22:51:59 1994 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:51:05 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: jfhess@ucdavis.edu, lro@stratus.com Subject: Re: tires and 6 cyl engines Status: RO X-Status: John "I'll have a rover if it kills me" Hess wrote... >Howdy gang, > > I don't want to waste the electrons but would like to solicit input >on a couple of items. 1. Tyres. On the jeep I used to own were >good(year?) wranglers. They came on the thing new and IMHO were just fine. >Not too noisy and for my off roading, worked fine; I did manage to cut a >sidewall that then collapsed on the freeway but .... >Without starting a tire war, could I get opinions on tires for a 109? Well, my own non-scientific thoughts on the matter, based on what others liked/recommended (both Roverfolk & tirefolk) are: Tubed: Dunlop Triple Trac's -- Good off road, not too noisy on the road. Radial: Dunlop Radial Rovers -- Same as above, quieter, smoother, made a noticable difference from the "I'm an amuricun, dammit" tires that I used to have on the 109". Also, cool name. Both are not cheap and not easy to find. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 17 22:52:56 1994 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:51:10 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn To: labranch@sybase.com, lro@stratus.com Subject: Re: Wanted: restorable LandRover IIA Status: RO X-Status: >> >> I'm afraid you most likely won't find a 68 or 69 109" in the states. '67 > was >> the last year the 109's were imported. >> > >Uncle Roger, > >Thanks for the correction. Would you happen to know of any early 109"s >in not great condition? Are you driving an old LR? A new LR? Are you >just interested? > >What is your favorite model? > >Jason Well shut my mouth. I opened up the new issue of the Aluminum Workhorse (after checking out Wishful Thinking first, of course) and the first vehicle for sale is a '68 Dormobile. All the trimmings, good (I assume) condition, $15,000. In Maine. Also in the AW is a '54 sI 107". "Currently not running. 2 liter petrol engine needs to be rebuilt. Everything else in good shape. Have truck cab, 3/4 canvas, parts catalogue & workshop manual. Great project vehicle for the enthusiast. Asking $3,000. Jay, 510-339-3825 (CA)" I think this one was at the Palto Alo british car meet recently. I didn't get a chance to look at it really, but I think some of the others did. There are some others listed, but they're all in good shape, ready to go with prices to match. I have a '59 109" and a '72 88". I like the sII 109" 2door best. Mainly because it is about as versatile as you can get. I can sweep out the junk and have it converted into a home away from home in about 15 minutes. I'm currently working on a desk to turn it into the ultimate mobile office. I like 88's too, though. I especially like 'em with a pick up cab. (My girlfriend & brother won't let me convert mine.) All depends on what you're gonna do with 'em. I'll take a sII over a sIII any day. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 18 00:47:36 1994 To: lro@stratus.com Subject: new stamp From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Reply-To: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca Date: Fri, 18 Nov 94 00:23:30 -0500 Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada Status: RO X-Status: What a beut!! My friendly stamp man in Montreal just sent me down four gorgeous land Rover stamps. They are Barbados $2 from I dont know when. the scott number i beleive is 664. OOPS that was three of not four, just read the package. The stamps depict one of the series 2 review vehciles used by the British Monarchy et al . The Queen mum is riding in the back. The stamp comes in alarger surround which carries on the picture save the perforation around the stamp. It was according to the surround "The life and times of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother". The image is more of a photo quality than any stamp that I have ever seen before. The oops refered to the quantiity not the scott number, re reading it it sounds a bit confusing, sorry about that. No these ones are not for sale, I am deveolping a number of sets for friends of mine, infact I just did up a set in a frame with a yellow background with the stamps surrounded by a green matt with an oval hole in it. Looks very land Roverish! he was tickled pink. TTFN Robin. -- Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers Nepean, Ontario, Canada | 1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean (OVLR's InterNet site) | Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 17 23:46:01 1994 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 22:41:20 -0700 (MST) From: James Spyker Subject: Road Greetings To: lro@team.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: It is well known that Porsche owners greet eachother on the road with a two finger wave, VW owners a big wave and peace sign, but here in Alberta we Land Rover Owners hold up our tool kits in the window. JSpyker 6? SIIA From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 17 23:47:46 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 00:47:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Bugeyes.. Breakfasts grills To: berg@acf2.nyu.edu, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"berg@acf2.NYU.EDU" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO X-Status: Mike wonders.. Stefan comments.. Jeff clarifies.. > > >On a fresh Outback morning, the troopers would just take the > >grill of their Landy, set it on four rocks, make a fire under it, set > >their billabong and pan on it and - make their breakfast. > >...now you'll want to know what a billabong is. Craig, you tell'em. > > A Billabong is a stagnant backwater which is only full during the rainy > season. (Or a surfboard.) Biltong is strips of sun-dried meat. Is this > what you mean, or does Billabong have another slang meaning known only to > folks down under? > Probably billabong is right... I hear those Aussies will eat anything! :) Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Nov 17 23:47:53 1994 From: LANDROVER@delphi.com Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 00:47:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Land Rover 24 Hours of Aspen ski end To: ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu, lro@team.net X-Vms-To: INTERNET"ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu" X-Vms-Cc: INTERNET"lro@team.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO X-Status: Ben wonders... > Subj: Land Rover 24 Hours of Aspen ski endurance event > I saw this in rec.sport.ski.crosscountry or something similar. Is > this a Land Rover sponsered event? Anyone got any info on it? ---snip--- > The RPG is pleasedd to announce its exclusive coverage of the Land Rover > 24 Hours of Aspen ski endurance event. The land Rover 24 hours of Aspen > can be found at http://www.infosphere.com/aspen/sports/24 hours/index.html > Caught some ski event on the TV last winter that was sponsered by Land Rover. Don't remember where or what - but I do remember the Land Rover banners. Cheers Michael Loiodice E-MAIL landrover@delphi.com 166 W.Fulton St. VOICE (518) 773-2697 Gloversville NY, 12078 1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) 1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol 1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 18 09:43:17 1994 Via: uk.ac.glasgow.jess; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:37:41 +0000 From: "Mr T.stevenson" Subject: XCLs on Range Rovers To: land-rover-owner Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:28:08 +0000 (GMT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1347 Status: RO X-Status: I am a new subscriber to the LRO digest; indeed I have only just found out how to access the internet. I have owned various Land Rovers since I learned to drive, ranging from a SIII 109 pickup (stolen from outside my digs in London in 1983) to a SIIA 1/4 ton FFR and a SIII 109, both ex-military Rovers. These last two were recently sold to help finance the purchase of a 1990 Ninety DT. Apart from the culture shock on moving from the Series Land Rovers, I am enjoying it immensely. The main advantages are: Coil springs Fuel Economy (relative) I can hear what the wife is saying at speeds over 30 mph Disadvantages: Worried about minor dents, scars etc. I know very little about diesel engines. I now have to listen to what the wife is saying. If anyone has any advice on likely problem areas etc with this vehicle then I would be grateful to hear it. Regarding John Brabyn's question about fitment of Michelin XCLs to Range Rovers, my brother acquired some 6.50x16 XCLs from an MOD auction which he uses as green-roading tyres. They look a bit wierd on the Range Rover, being so skinny, and they are very noisy on tarmac. However, they certainly do the business off road. Happy Land-Rovering! -- Tom Stevenson: gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk University Marine Biological Station, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland Tel:(0475) 530581 Fax:(0475) 530601 From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 18 09:42:09 1994 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 09:30:59 -0600 To: lro@transfer.stratus.com From: hiner@mail.utexas.edu (Greg Hiner) Subject: Re: Land Rover 24 Hours of Aspen ski endurance event Status: RO X-Status: >I saw this in rec.sport.ski.crosscountry or something similar. Is >this a Land Rover sponsered event? Anyone got any info on it? >Todd Mills? > >Benjamin Smith >SAIC/China Lake NAWC > >----forwarded message-------- > >The RPG is pleasedd to announce its exclusive coverage of the Land Rover >24 Hours of Aspen ski endurance event. The land Rover 24 hours of Aspen >can be found at http://www.infosphere.com/aspen/sports/24 hours/index.html > The correct URL is http://infosphere.com/aspen/sports/rogers/24hours/24hrindex.html Greg From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 18 09:59:11 1994 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:38:30 EST From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE) To: land-rover-owner@team.net Subject: Grilling out and others Status: RO X-Status: WRT the thread on grilles...I've got an early '72 Series III ...replaced the plastic grill years ago. Here's how: get (order, borrow, purloin) a late IIa grill. Fabricate two "J" clips for bottom supports (there's a wide place on the breakfast frame/flange for this) and drill/tap the top of the frame for a 1/4 X 20 truss head machine screw to secure the top of the grill in place. Paint the thread holess and use a stainless steel bolt and rust is not a problem. For added protection, I wired on some 1/4" rat wire behind the 1" weft of the grill. The last time I had some galvanizing done, I had the whole thing hot dipped and it looks like it was made that way. If you want to check it out (smooth segue, eh?), tune in tonight on The Learning Channel...back to back episodes of Archaeology all night long starting at 8 PM; the Rover features prominently in eight segments. The grill shows up best in the show about the Petra ruins. And the word someone is looking for is "billy" - a cooking pot made from a tin can - not "billabong" which is a temporary watercourse. *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----* | | | Sandy Grice, Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com FAX: 804-622-7056 | | Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days) 804-423-4898 (Evenings) | | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA | *------------------------------------------------------* From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 18 10:05:50 1994 From: dkenner@emr.ca (Dixon Kenner) Subject: Re: Bugeyes for breakfast To: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 09:31:24 -0500 (EST) Cc: lro@stratus.com In-Reply-To: <199411171821.KAA13907@pacific.pacific.net> from "Granville Pool" at Nov 17, 94 10:21:06 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 762 Status: RO X-Status: > Another observation: Not all Series IIIs had plastic grilles. Gerry > Mugele, who recently joined the Rover-Net, has a 1972 Series III (probably > the nicest one I have ever seen) and his has a wire grille. He bought it > from the original owner, a close friend, and so knows that the grille is > original. Interesting, huh? I always love looking over any old Land-Rover > because there is always something different about it, something new to > learn. It's a good part of what gives the lovable beasts such personality, > eh wot? Some trivia. The metal grill on the late IIA is not the same as the III, though from afar they look identical. If you count the number of vertical holes in the grill one has ten, the other twelve. From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 18 10:16:39 1994 To: Land-Rover-Owner@team.net Subject: Re: ITS ON THE ROAD AT LAST !!!!!! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 16 Nov 94 07:55:19 GMT." <199411160755.HAA25085@chunnel.uk.stratus.com> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 94 09:19:15 +0200 From: Paul Nash Status: RO X-Status: > that it stops blowing smoke, once the motor starts to settle in. Any one > with experience with 2.25 diesels know about how many miles you have to > clock up before the motor is settled in? I recently did a ring & stem-seal job on my sIII diesel, and it took about 30 or 40 km before it stopped playing smokescreen-smokescreen. Now there's just a puff of dirty smoke when I start, and black smoke when I accelerate hard. My guess is that one of my injectors needs a new tip :-) > One thing worried me though, while I was driving up a hill, it all of a > sudden lost power, then stalled, for no reason. I had the ignition Air-bubble in the diesel system maybe? I had something similar on mine when I put the head back on. > I am also curious as to what sort of milage other people get out of 2.25 > diesel Landies, as the only other person with one that I know gets about > 30MPG no matter what he does, towing a caravan, off roading, but he does > have an over drive. I get between 10 and 11 l/100km (28-25 MPG (imperial)), depending on how I drive. Relaxed driving on gravel gets around 10, burning it down the highway at just-below-cutout-speed gets about 11, and a recent trip over varied roads from SA via Zimbabwe & Mozambique to Malawi & Zambia, with a longish detour through Botswana on the way back, gave me an average of 10,5. The roads varied from highways where I was being passed by trucks cruising at 140km/hr, down to the infamous Chobe sand road in Botswana (4wd 2nd gear the whole way, all day) and a road near the Luangwa in Zambia where I broke my front springs (100km in 8 hours, not including time taken to patch the spring). Diesels are great off-road -- no water problems, _bags_ of torque (I ended up dragging a 15-ton 6-wheeler Nissan out of a ditch: just use low range reverse). They just aren't fast on the highway, especially uphill with a load. From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Nov 18 10:25:52 1994 From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: XCLs on Range Rovers To: gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk (Mr T.stevenson) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 94 16:20:55 GMT Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <26564.199411181428@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk>; from "Mr T.stevenson" at Nov 18, 94 2:2