From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 1 06:19:17 1993 Return-Path: To: land-rover-owner@transfer.stratus.com Cc: caloccia@lectroid.sw.stratus.com Subject: Date: Wed, 01 Sep 93 07:06:30 -0400 From: William Caloccia Well, as usual, I've been rather laid-back about filling subscriptions for the List. Work took me to Tokyo in July (not many rovers there and I never did make it to a Honda dealer to see a Disco.) Then I stopped over on Maui before returning to the hundreds of pieces of e-mail waiting for me... Then I spent a weekend working on the Pan Mass challenge - working for the 1500+ bicycle riders rasing money for cancer research (they rode 192 miles in two days, some 800 volunteers helped them do it.) Then I was off to upstate New York to spend a few days with friends off of Upper Sagandaga Lake - no tourist stuff - no place to go - just the camp, the lake, and some human-powered boating... Then Friday, my boss asked me to hop on a plane to Heathrow, so over here where there are plenty of Land Rovers I thought I'd finally take a few moments and update the list. I still haven't found a copy of the Land Rover Owner magazine on a news stand, and haven't made it to a shop yet, but looks like I've got a couple days left and those are both on my list. I did pick up a stack of familliar and unfamilliar U.K. car mags at the market -- more than enough to read for a couple weeks. I also found out that the Rover folks (actually in Longbridge) use Stratus equipment to keep track of our favorite vehicles through the manufacturing and distribution process (no chance for a plant trip though :-( If you know of any good Rover parts suppliers in suburban London - drop me a note -- I could use to pick up some parts... Cheers from the U.K. (I arrived Sunday and have been staying in Bracknell, and working n Hounslow and Lewes [Sunday and through the Monday Holiday here], though we did manage a side trip to Brighton Beach (Pier) on the pretense of going to dinner). --bill caloccia@Team.Net caloccia@Stratus.Com N R 1 3 2 H "The Best 4x4xFar" | +--|--| | | '69 Mk.IIa 88" OD 2 4 4 L land-rover-owners-request@Team.Net --- notes from new subscribers - what they've got for trucks/intros/etc -- Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 18:57:19 AST From: DAVID SPENCER Hello. ... After a few years of thinking I took the plung and bought two. One from the 1950's and the other from the 60s. They did not come with all the paper. I am in the process of rebuilding one from the ground up. I would enjoy taking part in a discussion with other owners. thanks Sincerely, David Spencer a92nca@essex.stfx.ca From: "RANDY ROSE (818)395-3840" 1957 109 Station Wagon From: dluckma3@mach1.wlu.ca (david luckman 9209 U) ... I do not personally own a rover but I'm writing on behalf of a friend who does and wants to get on your list. What is the appropriate way to get this done? From: phhester@lenexa.lenexa.ingr.com (Paul Hester) Hello, I just found this address last week. I live in Overland Park, Kansas outside Kansas City. I own a 1973 Land Rover 88 red (very important) hardtop that I bought in Pennsylvania in December (and drove 1000 miles to Kansas - I'm still sore in places). I have just finished doing an extensive rebuild to the engine and while I was at it, wire brushing and painting the front half of the frame and engine compartment area. I have installed new brakes, master cylinder, clutch master and slave cylinder, overdrive and stainless steel exhaust. This is the first Land Rover I have ever owned but have been around them for years. I have owned Rover cars as well as numerous other British cars over the past 18 years -- I definitely recognize most of the misc. hardware and parts! In fact, there is a local huge mail order house, Victoria British, that has been a good source of inexpensive parts despite the fact they do not specifically carry a Rover line. I like to tell people that the Land Rover is the only British car built that was over- engineered, their longevity is a testament to the original design philosophy behind them. My next project is to lift off the rear section of the body from the frame. Does anyone who has done this have any helpful hints/suggestions? I have some electrolytic corrosion from the seat belt brackets and other pieces in that section and want to completely wire brush and paint the frame. I'm looking forward to hearing from other Rover owners! -- *********** hesterph@lenexa.lenexa.ingr.com ************* * * * Paul H. Hester | "I know that you believe you * * Project Manager | understand what you think was * * (913) 599-1250 | said, but I am not sure you * * FAX 913-599-0750 | realize that what you heard * * Mailstop: KSLEN | is not what was meant." * * * *********** hesterph@lenexa.lenexa.ingr.com ************* From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 1 09:22:19 1993 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1993 10:06:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "j.p. kilbreath" Subject: Box Removal To: Land Rover Owner Cc: David Luckman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Paul Hester wrote: > My next project is to lift off the rear section of the body > from the frame. Does anyone who has done this have any > helpful hints/suggestions? You're in luck. I just finished a project like that earlier this summer. Removing the box off an 88 is fairly simple. However, I was working on a 69 IIa 88". So if there is any difference between the IIa and the III is suspect you're driving, (it's a good idea to include the series) I can't help you much... But anyway these are my suggestions. On the IIa I was working on the major concern was getting the electrics squared away. Where the cable harness leaves the frame at the back right side and goes into the wheel well watch out for chaffing or wear, because once you have the box off, that's a good time to redo some wiring. Most if not all of the rear lights should be able to be unplugged from Lucar bullet connectors found in the box that covers the back of the right rear tail lights. After you have done the electrics, make sure the wiring harness running up through the box, the one you just unplugged remember?, is completely detached from the box, so you don't damage it. As for removing the box itself, this is simple. Look for bolts that's be holding the box onto the frame and remove them. >>From my experience all the bolts are out board, meaning they are on the outside of the frame members. When I did it, there were about 8 or 10 bolts on the rear bumper, 4 bolts, 2 per side, near the front of the box, these are kind of tough, 2 maybe 4, outrigger bolts to be removed. Beyond that I don't think there was much ese holding it on! We used a pulley to get the box off the truck and stored the box hanging from the ceiling while we did repairs to the frame. By the way the pulley we used was the same pulley we store the roof on when we're not hanging boxes off of it... Oh. Before you do all of the above make sure you take the roof off, that makes life a little easier, (and lighter!) Well if you have any questions about my suggestions drop me a line! Jeff "The Paddler" Kilbreath From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 1 09:36:39 1993 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1993 11:21:52 AST From: DAVID SPENCER To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Cc: x92nca@essex.stfx.ca Subject: Introduction Hello folks...This is an introduction. Presently I reside on South Side harbour Antigonish County, province of Nova Scotia, Canada. I am the recent owner of two Rovers. After many years of thinking about the pros and cons of developing a new relationship with a Land Rover it happened, in a little cluster of farm houses (moose river) deep in the interier of a sparsly populated county in northern Nova Scotia. I was zipping along past endless miles of trees and river banks when I saw it. Quietly meditating in the parked position at the mouth of a logging road it was looking sadly neglected and in need of a little TLC. So...I geared down and pulled into the first house near by. "Say...do you know who owns that rig down the road?" I was trying hard not sound to excited. The lady who answer the door was on the phone and she said with a slightly hesitant voice..." yes...(pause)...I do know." "Well do they live handy here...?" She replies " My Mother owns them..... I am just talking to her now." This was a new thing for me. It challanged an un-examined personal stero typing of LR owners as men. There are 89 year old grand mothers amoung us. So to cut a long story short....after a few hours of tea, smoked fish, home made bread and fond conversation of her relationship these machines, she agreed to sell the one I spotted plus another parked in the bushes some distance away. Although she gave me two emaculate manuals the title papers where not to be found in her house. So... I don't Know what years they are exactly. One has fixed hubs and threaded front vent controls above the dash (instead of levers) and a tail gate rear door. It is pretty clear that this is from the 50's and the other is from the 60's. Both are short wheel base. They are collectively a restoration project....which has been slow starting But I am having a great time poking along. Enought for an introduction!!! David Spencer x92nca@essex.stfx.ca P.S. I am dyslexic... so if I write something that is completely incomprehesible please let me know. Not a excuse just a request. D.S. From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 1 12:34:19 1993 Return-Path: From: thomas r. coron Subject: intro To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Wed, 1 Sep 93 13:10:09 EDT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Hello: This is an introductory message. I'm Tom Coron, live in King George,Va. - about 65 miles south of Washington,D.C. I am the proud owner of an unrestored '66' IIA. It has right hand drive - I believe it was orig- inally purchased on the Caribbean Island of St. Thomas. It is light green with a white top, and has a tailgate rather than a rear door. I live back in the woods, about 1/2 mile from the hiway, and use it to get out during our rare snowfalls. I also use it for pulling logs out of the woods, removing small stumps, etc. I have no plns to restore it at present, but would like to stop the rust, etc. and keep it in good working order. I look forward to the information exchange, and have already discovered that I share some other interests with a couple of you: Nova Scotia and whitewater/wilderness paddling. From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 1 14:09:38 1993 Return-Path: From: thomas r. coron Subject: intro To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Wed, 1 Sep 93 13:10:09 EDT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Hello: This is an introductory message. I'm Tom Coron, live in King George,Va. - about 65 miles south of Washington,D.C. I am the proud owner of an unrestored '66' IIA. It has right hand drive - I believe it was orig- inally purchased on the Caribbean Island of St. Thomas. It is light green with a white top, and has a tailgate rather than a rear door. I live back in the woods, about 1/2 mile from the hiway, and use it to get out during our rare snowfalls. I also use it for pulling logs out of the woods, removing small stumps, etc. I have no plns to restore it at present, but would like to stop the rust, etc. and keep it in good working order. I look forward to the information exchange, and have already discovered that I share some other interests with a couple of you: Nova Scotia and whitewater/wilderness paddling. From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 2 08:12:37 1993 Return-Path: Sender: jory@po7.mit.edu Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 09:00:31 -0500 To: lro@transfer.stratus.com From: jory@mit.edu Subject: rover monty saw in boston i too saw the blue (1973) rover monty saw in cambridge (massachusetts, usa)... it has something like 30,000 miles on it (i talked to the guy one day) and is one of the "newest" looking non-restored rovers i've seen. the only downsides are he had DAP do a bunch of engine/mechanical work on it during a complete refurbishment (redone engine, new swivels, etc) and that he wants (i think) $15,000 for the beast... really nice looking though (quite a different look from even the best rebuild/restoration though... something undeniably new/original about the whole thing)... jory From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 2 11:02:11 1993 Return-Path: From: Mark V Grieshaber Subject: Land Rover Driving Academy To: land-rover-owner@transfer.stratus.com (land rover list) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 93 10:48:00 CDT Saw a picture with caption in the 21 Aug Kansas City Star that looked kind of interesting (though a bit expensive): The picture: Four identical silver Range Rovers with "Tread Lightly" decals on the rear windows, driving single file over a rough path along the edge of a scree slope, average boulder size being about 3 feet or thereabouts. The caption: "A handful of Land Rover owners are being offered the opportunity to participate in the Land Rover Driving Academy in the mountains of Colorado. There are seven one-week sessions, with 14 students at a time, between now and Oct 2. The Academy will be based in Aspen. The cost is $4,500. Information can be obtained by calling 301-731-9040." So, who's signed up? :) Mark From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 2 11:14:01 1993 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 2 Sep 93 15:59:36 GMT From: u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: year?? David Spencer wrote: So... I don't Know what years they are exactly. One has fixed hubs and threaded front vent controls above the dash (instead of levers) and a tail gate rear door. It is pretty clear that this is from the 50's and the other is from the 60's. Both are short wheel base. Nigel, my '60 '88, also has threaded front vent controls.......how much after that were they used, I wonder? The fixed hubs and tailgate were standards for years. What do your tail lenses look like?? Are they more or less hemispherical or are they "cone" shaped? If you just supply us with your VIN number we could tell ya for sure what year they are (it is located in several places.....but the one on the plate that sits on the bulkhead just in front of your two transfer case levers is the easiest one to find/read). How's the salmon fishin' been? rdushin/nige (still sounds just fine......but I do think I'll order some timken bearings, so Bill G-could you get those numbers for me??? thanks much in advance) From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 2 17:58:14 1993 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 2 Sep 93 22:43:00 GMT From: u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: trainign >There are seven one-week sessions, with 14 students at a time, between now and Oct 2. The Academy will be based in Aspen. The cost is $4,500. Information can be obtained by calling 301-731-9040." So, who's signed up? :) dunno but RN is currently offering a special on their training course(s) (and they are considerably less expensive, but probably somewhat less scenic) than these colorado courses. rd/nige From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 6 09:58:35 1993 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 10:45:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "j.p. kilbreath" Subject: Hello?? To: Land Rover Owner Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Could anyone drop me a line through the Newsletter, (by posting to lro) and let me know if they got this. One reply only please... Jeff From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 6 14:53:17 1993 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 15:42:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "j.p. kilbreath" Subject: No more please.... To: Land Rover Owner Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Eeverything is working fine! Thanks to all who responded! Please now disrgard my previous letter! --Jeff From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 7 10:01:52 1993 Return-Path: From: Mike Rooth Subject: Electrics To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 11:30:32 BST I've had more trouble over the years with *non* Lucas stuff than ever I've had with Uncle Joe's products.Like an 18 month old Citroen that lost a headlamp because the wiring had gone on fire under the bonnet.Let's face it, Murphy was an electrician,if it can go wrong it will.Its just that he has more scope these days,he's branching out into electronics and having a field day! When I first went to look at my Rover,it wouldnt charge.I said I would buy it,but I wanted the charging problem sorted before I collected it,and suggested it looked like dynamo brushes."No no" was the reply,"Ive put new brushes in".On collection the thing was charging,so I took her home.Next day,guess what.Now,being a diesel,I wasnt too worried,after all once it is running,you can rip out the electrics and use them to grow beans up,but it was a little annoying.So a new current voltage regulator seemed to be the best bet.Well, not *new* exactly,ex breakers at the princely sum of two quid.Lo and behold,full charge!For a month.OK,this time a brand NEW CVR.Bingo!For another month.I had now reached the limit of my electrical expertise.My father,however is much more clued up on these matters,so I appealed to him."Take the b----y genny off". "But its got new brushes"."Sod that for a game of soldiers,take the bloody thing off and lets have a look". Well,OK.it probably *did* have new brushes in,but its a fat lot of good putting them in when the commutator a)has a flat on it,and b)is waisted in the middle so it looks like a miniature power station cooling tower.And yet that dynamo was still trying to charge,and had been for two months. I put the armature in the lathe,centred the shaft end,and carefully skimmed the comm.The thing was then undercut using a siutably modifeid hacksaw blade.We found some part worn brushes(never throw anything away)and the dynamo lasted another year,until it started to arc rather more than I thought was seemly.At this point,a recon genny was fitted (ten quid plus VAT,I think) and that is still there. Not,perhaps the Lucas story that was expected,but true nonetheless. I've since had *loads* of electrical trouble,but most of it was/is due to the PO pratting about with it,and the eternal "bad earth" syndrome,which is inevitable with the ridiculous earth return system used these days to save a bit of wire.I can believe that Joe Lucas invented *that*! Cheers Mike Rooth From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 7 10:02:00 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Messages! From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 21:55:52 -0400 Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada Hmmm, fifteen plus messages here today! Seems I have been playing hookey from the list for too long. Presently I have been whiling away the hours in nearby Almonte seeing if we can completely strip a 88, replace the frame, rewelding and repairing the new one, and rebuild the thing to near concours shape in under three weeks of evening and weekend effort. Add into this supplemtary work on my 109, additional work on another 88, and the droolng at stripping a further 88 and 109 that recently arrived in a rather decrepit state and the Almonte abode... Rgds, Dixon '64 Station Wagon (maybe to be safetied this week ) -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 7 10:02:31 1993 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 23:42:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "j.p. kilbreath" Subject: Lucas Electrics To: Land Rover Owner Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ok here's the gist. I love Lucas electrics... Nobody, I mean nobody does electrics like these guys... Anyone else out there who likes Lucas? If so tell me your favourite Lucas story... --Jeff From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 7 10:02:43 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Box Removal From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 23:20:46 -0400 Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada "j.p. kilbreath" writes: > We used a pulley to get the box > off the truck and stored the box hanging from the ceiling while we did > repairs to the frame. By the way the pulley we used was the same pulley > we store the roof on when we're not hanging boxes off of it... Oh. > Before you do all of the above make sure you take the roof off, that makes > life a little easier, (and lighter!) We found that the roof assembly, rear box, and bulkhead could all be happily removed with the effort of two people. The three sections are not that heavy, just a bit awkward. (Actually the bulkhead, when stripped, can be easily moved around with one person (having spent part of today stripping one off).) Even the frame of a swb can be lifted and moved with two people, though it is very heavy and care must be taken to ensure you don't flatten fingers or toes when moving it about. BTW, anyone going to the British Invasion in Stowe Vermont on September 18th? Count on seeing a bunch of Land Rovers from Ottawa down there. Current count are a SI 88, SI 107, SIIA diesel 88, SIII 88, and SIIA 109 from Ottawa that I know of. Last year saw about eight-ten Land Rovers there. The pre-war Bentley owners nearly went mad when a diesel LR started up and the cloud of smoke drifted towards them... :-) Rgds, -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 7 10:02:46 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Box Removal From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 23:20:46 -0400 Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada "j.p. kilbreath" writes: > We used a pulley to get the box > off the truck and stored the box hanging from the ceiling while we did > repairs to the frame. By the way the pulley we used was the same pulley > we store the roof on when we're not hanging boxes off of it... Oh. > Before you do all of the above make sure you take the roof off, that makes > life a little easier, (and lighter!) We found that the roof assembly, rear box, and bulkhead could all be happily removed with the effort of two people. The three sections are not that heavy, just a bit awkward. (Actually the bulkhead, when stripped, can be easily moved around with one person (having spent part of today stripping one off).) Even the frame of a swb can be lifted and moved with two people, though it is very heavy and care must be taken to ensure you don't flatten fingers or toes when moving it about. BTW, anyone going to the British Invasion in Stowe Vermont on September 18th? Count on seeing a bunch of Land Rovers from Ottawa down there. Current count are a SI 88, SI 107, SIIA diesel 88, SIII 88, and SIIA 109 from Ottawa that I know of. Last year saw about eight-ten Land Rovers there. The pre-war Bentley owners nearly went mad when a diesel LR started up and the cloud of smoke drifted towards them... :-) Rgds, -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 7 10:03:43 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Introduction From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 21:53:33 -0400 Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada DAVID SPENCER writes: > So... I don't Know what years they are exactly. One has fixed hubs and > threaded front vent controls above the dash (instead of levers) and a tail > gate rear door. It is pretty clear that this is from the 50's and the other > is from the 60's. Both are short wheel base. What are the serial numbers? From there it is easy to tell what year they are... -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 8 10:55:08 1993 Return-Path: From: phhester@lenexa.lenexa.ingr.com (Paul Hester) Subject: Re: Lucas Electrics To: paddler@julian.uwo.ca (j.p. kilbreath) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 93 10:46:27 CDT Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com Reply-To: phhester@lenexa.lenexa.ingr.com In-Reply-To: ; from "j.p. kilbreath" at Sep 6, 93 11:42 pm > Ok here's the gist. I love Lucas electrics... Nobody, I mean > nobody does electrics like these guys... Anyone else out there who likes > Lucas? If so tell me your favourite Lucas story... > > --Jeff > Jeff, Having owned British cars since I was 17, I have many found memories of Lucas electrical systems. The one story, however, that best sums it all up, happened to a friend of mine. I was living in State College, Pennsylvania at the time...this was about 1977. This friend owned a 1974 Lotus Europa John Player Special, which he had purchased new. He had parked his car downtown on the street to run an errand. When he returned, he discovered his car parked in by a firetruck, the engine compartment lid prided open (fiberglass ya know) and electrical fire fighting foam both filling and spilling out of the engine compartment, and several fireman milling about with huge cutters in hand (volunteer fireman...semi-professionals...they love a good fire and getting to use the "equipement"). They had managed to cut every wire they could before finally being bright enough to cut the battery cable. So my friend, still trying to absorb what has transpired during his absence, is standing there when a passerby walks up to him and asks, "Wow! is that your car?" Pete nods quitely. "Lucas Electrical System?" Pete nods again, thrilled to have met another enthusiast. -- *********** hesterph@lenexa.lenexa.ingr.com ************* * * * Paul H. Hester | "I know that you believe you * * Project Manager | understand what you think was * * (913) 599-1250 | said, but I am not sure you * * FAX 913-599-0750 | realize that what you heard * * Mailstop: KSLEN | is not what was meant." * * * *********** hesterph@lenexa.lenexa.ingr.com ************* From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 9 15:47:05 1993 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 16:28:14 -0400 (EDT) From: The Paddler Subject: Re: Box Removal To: dixon kenner Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Sep 1993, dixon kenner wrote: > We found that the roof assembly, rear box, and bulkhead could all > be happily removed with the effort of two people. The three > sections are not that heavy, just a bit awkward. (Actually the > bulkhead, when stripped, can be easily moved around with one person > (having spent part of today stripping one off).) Even the frame of > a swb can be lifted and moved with two people, though it is very > heavy and care must be taken to ensure you don't flatten fingers or > toes when moving it about. Well I don't know how they do it Nepean, Ont, but I do know, from personal experience that although hanging the box on the same setup as is used for hanging the roof is a good idea, DO mark the lowest points on the hanging box! Many physical insults were dished out during the few weeks the box was hanging on the ceiling...So beware.... --Jeff From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 9 15:55:47 1993 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 16:33:20 -0400 (EDT) From: The Paddler Subject: Re: Electrics To: Mike Rooth Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9309071030.AA03747@hpc.lut.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 7 Sep 1993, Mike Rooth wrote: > I've had more trouble over the years with *non* Lucas stuff than > ever I've had with Uncle Joe's products.Like an 18 month old Citroen > that lost a headlamp because the wiring had gone on fire under the > bonnet.Let's face it, Murphy was an electrician,if it can go wrong it > will. As a theatre technican, and aspiring Lighting Designer, I can relate to what you're saying!! > Not,perhaps the Lucas story that was expected,but true nonetheless. > I've since had *loads* of electrical trouble,but most of it was/is > due to the PO pratting about with it,and the eternal "bad earth" > syndrome,which is inevitable with the ridiculous earth return system > used these days to save a bit of wire.I can believe that Joe Lucas > invented *that*! > > Cheers > Mike Rooth Hey. Careful what you say... I happen to *like* the Earth return system that Lucas on Negative earth vehicles.. As to a Positve earth L/R I would know what to do with one if I got my hands on one...The theory and even the practice is simple enough, but you have to ask yourself, WHY?!! From the London on the other side of the pond, Jeff Kilbreath London, Ont, Can From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 9 16:14:36 1993 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 16:28:14 -0400 (EDT) From: The Paddler Subject: Re: Box Removal To: dixon kenner Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Sep 1993, dixon kenner wrote: > We found that the roof assembly, rear box, and bulkhead could all > be happily removed with the effort of two people. The three > sections are not that heavy, just a bit awkward. (Actually the > bulkhead, when stripped, can be easily moved around with one person > (having spent part of today stripping one off).) Even the frame of > a swb can be lifted and moved with two people, though it is very > heavy and care must be taken to ensure you don't flatten fingers or > toes when moving it about. Well I don't know how they do it Nepean, Ont, but I do know, from personal experience that although hanging the box on the same setup as is used for hanging the roof is a good idea, DO mark the lowest points on the hanging box! Many physical insults were dished out during the few weeks the box was hanging on the ceiling...So beware.... --Jeff From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Sep 10 10:57:04 1993 Return-Path: From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: Electrics To: paddler@julian.uwo.ca (The Paddler) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 16:42:12 BST Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: ; from "The Paddler" at Sep 10, 93 10:47 am Jeff I'm driving a '70 88" 11A Diesel.This does away with the ignition electrics,and all the ills that go therewith,but means you need a huge battery to swing it.I suppose I should make the change from generator to alternator really,but alternators have rudimentary electronics included,and I dislike that even more than I dislike electrics. As for combating salt,the only way I have found to minimise the effect is hosing down regularly (which I assume is not on in a Canadian winter) and splurging Waxoyl all over underneath.Doesnt cure the problem completely,but seems to keep it within manageable proportions.I tend to get more trouble these days with old and brittle wiring than anything else,plus of course PO modifcations! Cheers Mike Rooth From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Sep 10 11:47:36 1993 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 09:31:41 -0700 From: Teriann J. Wakeman To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca, paddler@julian.uwo.ca Subject: Re: Box Removal Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com Changing the subect a tad... I'm looking for a good condition power brake pedel & booster assembly for a late series IIA or series III. Anyone got one they would like to part with?? TeriAnn twakeman@apple.com From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sun Sep 12 08:55:58 1993 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 09:33:49 -0400 (EDT) From: The Paddler Subject: Re: Rebuild To: ROY CALDWELL Cc: Land Rover Owner In-Reply-To: <9309101327.AA03833@mtnoca.helena_noc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 10 Sep 1993, ROY CALDWELL wrote: > I am about to start the serious effort of sticking a new frame under > my 62. The new bushing are in the frame and the road springs. New > shackle plates, bolts, engine, trans mounts and any other parts for > the road springs are ready. I even have a new main harness to go in > the frame. For a long time I have considered how to do the dismantel > and assembly. It seems that you have done much of what I am contemplating > so any suggestions? Roy. I've thought a litte bit about your new task and let me tell you I don't think there is any easy way to go about it! The best thing I could suggest is work systematicly. Get the axels on the springs next... It'll be helpful if the whole assembly will roll.. After that I'd do the brake lines that lay along the frame and also the electics that run along the frame..After that I would drop the engine and transmission/transfer box in after seperating the two... I think the major pain in the butt will be the firewall. Keep what you can on the fire wall, electrics, brake cylider, etc, and that will help in the transfer... Of course taking the firewall off the old frame will require to dismantle the front body panels somewhat, so that's a goodK time to work and paint them... From there I don't think there is too much of a protocol to follow. Just think three steps ahead, now that I have got the brakes lines run I'll take care of the electrics, then I'll...etc. Good luck with this project, it's a good one! If you have any more questions drop me a line... --Jeff From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sun Sep 12 08:59:57 1993 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 09:45:04 -0400 (EDT) From: The Paddler Subject: Re: Electrics To: Mike Rooth Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9309101542.AA02707@hpc.lut.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 10 Sep 1993, Mike Rooth wrote: > I'm driving a '70 88" 11A Diesel.This does away with the ignition > electrics,and all the ills that go therewith,but means you need > a huge battery to swing it.I suppose I should make the change > from generator to alternator really,but alternators have rudimentary > electronics included,and I dislike that even more than I dislike electrics. > As for combating salt,the only way I have found to minimise the effect is > hosing down regularly (which I assume is not on in a Canadian winter) > and splurging Waxoyl all over underneath.Doesnt cure the problem > completely,but seems to keep it within manageable proportions.I tend to > get more trouble these days with old and brittle wiring than anything > else,plus of course PO modifcations! Mike. Ah! I love diesels..My first diesel vehicle was a 1987 Toyota Land Crusier SWB. That's when I fell in love with the diesel engine... About the power problems have you thought of upgrading your ignition systems to 24 volt? A chap I ran into in Toronto was driving a 24volt petrol military lightweight. He had fitted an 80amp 24volt/160amp 12volt alternator...This thing was Huge!! The nice thing was you could pull both 12 and 24 volts off of it... It was a waterproof alternator to boot... If you did that I personally don't think you would have *any* problems with the power requirments what with two 12volt batteries to draw from... --Jeff From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sun Sep 12 19:05:56 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: Box Removal From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1993 10:59:28 -0400 Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada writes: > I'm looking for a good condition power brake pedel & booster assembly for a > late series IIA or series III. Anyone got one they would like to part with?? The only boosters I have ever see are in use on vehicles. All of the scrap vehicles were pre-booster day. Can't help you with this one unfortunately. Rgds, -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 13 03:13:20 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: Electrics From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 21:45:39 -0400 Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada The Paddler writes: > About the power problems have you thought of upgrading your > ignition systems to 24 volt? A chap I ran into in Toronto was driving a > 24volt petrol military lightweight. He had fitted an 80amp 24volt/160amp > 12volt alternator... You sure he fitted it? Those lightweights came from Alberta when the British Army disposed of a large number of them a couple of years ago. A number of them were 24 volt vehicles for radio use. All of the 24 volt lightweights here in Ottawa were fitted that way by the military. Rgds, -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 13 03:13:24 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: Rebuild From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 21:37:43 -0400 Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada The Paddler writes: > On Fri, 10 Sep 1993, ROY CALDWELL wrote: > > > I am about to start the serious effort of sticking a new frame under > > my 62. > > I've thought a litte bit about your new task and let me tell you I > don't think there is any easy way to go about it! A friend and I are just finishing exactly this task. I would suggest taking the whole thing apart (in major sections) for starters. This will give you the opportunity to replace other parts that are in need of attention. Bring in the new frame, put it up on jack stands and apply a few extra coats of paint. Then move over the axle assemblies, followed by the brakes. You mention seperating the engine/gearbox. Why? When you take apart the donor vehicle, you will remove the bulkhead and all the rest of panels about the engine. You then get new mounts and transfer the whole unit into the new frame. If you are to break them apart, you might want to do this on the garage floor only to replace the clutch and diaphram while you have the opportunity. I would then bolt them together and drop them in the new frame as one big piece. Rgds, -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 13 04:44:00 1993 Return-Path: From: Mike Rooth Subject: 24 Volt Conversion To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Mon, 13 Sep 93 10:30:30 BST Oh my gawd,no thanks:-)24V stuff is not readily available over here, any more than 6V stuff is.Originally,as you may be aware,the 2.25 diesel had two 6V batteries,one under the LH seat,and one in the engine bay.The PO (sensibly) changed all this to one large 12V battery in the engine bay.It was just what he used to wire it that was the trouble...... I do not think there has ever been a 24V wired diesel produced,so it would not be possible to obtain,for instance a 24V starter motor. I recall the problems encountered by some friends of mine who swapped a 2.25 Rover diesel in a 109" for a Nissan,or some such diesel,and *then* disovered that it was a 24V unit.They had to use the 24V for the heater plugs and starter,and then drop to 12V for evrything else.What a mess! They would have been better advised,I think,to go to an ex-military specialist and change the whole thing to 24V.As Dixon says ex-FFR lightwieght. The abiding problem with the 2.25D is the silly series wired heater plugs(lose one,lose the lot),but there is now available a conversion to parallel wiring,and I am hoping to be able to afford to do this in the near future,although I am bound to say that the majority of my problems in the starting field have been with the charging circuit. However,just at present I am forced to follow the "if it aint bust dont fix it"route,there are other,more pressing,problems looming along with a rapidly appraoching MOT test.Or shall I just ignore it this year..... Regards Mike Rooth From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 13 08:51:58 1993 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 10:40:34 AST From: DAVID SPENCER To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Cc: x92nca@essex.stfx.ca Subject: Road Report I was on the road for week in New England area. Perhaps it is prohibited to post ads but these are some I saw in maine and Mass. Rover 3500 1980 sedan.44k,runs well, looks good. $1500. 773-8896 (Maine) 1962 British Land Rover. Body gd cond,s sets of tires, wht, spoke whls 300/bo Call Ralph aft 6pm (Reading) 617-944-8730 1965 Land Rover SWB 88 5 new all terrain tires, everything works.low milage. runs perf. $2495/bo (pembroke) 617-826-7667 These are work for word if anybody is interested. At this point they are a week old. As for determining the Year of production for the two Lr's I own ... I left the serial No.s at home, so I bring them later. I looked at the chart in the front of the manual and was not sure how to interpert it. It seem likely that one is a 1960 seriesII 88 and other 64 series IIA. I'll bring in the serial number and see what folks have to say. parts are scarce around here, while away...some one adopted one of my dipsticks and the hand brake....very strange. nothing else missing. It seem that with the large number people doing frame restoration that it might be appropriate to spend time to organize and make a bulk whole sale order from a UK co. , if they would give a significant reduction in price. Just a thought. -David S. From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 13 11:20:15 1993 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 09:05:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "RANDY ROSE (818)395-3840" Subject: Re: 24 Volt Conversion To: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com X-Envelope-To: lro@stratus.com X-Vms-To: IN%"M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk" X-Vms-Cc: IN%"lro@stratus.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Your post: *** From: IN%"M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk" "Mike Rooth" 13-SEP-1993 02:32:29.66 To: IN%"lro@transfer.stratus.com" CC: Subj: 24 Volt Conversion Oh my gawd,no thanks:-)24V stuff is not readily available over here, any more than 6V stuff is.Originally,as you may be aware,the 2.25 diesel had two 6V batteries,one under the LH seat,and one in the engine bay.The PO (sensibly) changed all this to one large 12V battery in the engine bay.It was just what he used to wire it that was the trouble...... From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 13 12:48:07 1993 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 13:31:18 -0400 (EDT) From: The Paddler Subject: Re: Rebuild To: dixon kenner Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The reason I mentioned spliting the two is for the fact of serviceing the clutch, diaphram and the release bearing... Might as well as you're there.... --Jeff. From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 13 13:01:40 1993 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 13:32:36 -0400 (EDT) From: The Paddler Subject: Re: Electrics To: dixon kenner Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 12 Sep 1993, dixon kenner wrote: > The Paddler writes: > > > About the power problems have you thought of upgrading your > > ignition systems to 24 volt? A chap I ran into in Toronto was driving a > > 24volt petrol military lightweight. He had fitted an 80amp 24volt/160amp > > 12volt alternator... > > You sure he fitted it? Those lightweights came from Alberta when > the British Army disposed of a large number of them a couple of > years ago. A number of them were 24 volt vehicles for radio use. > All of the 24 volt lightweights here in Ottawa were fitted that way > by the military. Yes I am absolutly sure... He recivedd thee vehicle and fitted the new equipment on as he got it.. --Jeff. From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 13 13:35:56 1993 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 11:15:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "RANDY ROSE (818)395-3840" Subject: Re: 24 Volt Conversion To: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com X-Envelope-To: lro@stratus.com X-Vms-To: IN%"M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk" X-Vms-Cc: IN%"lro@stratus.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Half of my response got deleted, so here's a second try: Your post: *** From: IN%"M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk" "Mike Rooth" 13-SEP-1993 02:32:29.66 To: IN%"lro@transfer.stratus.com" CC: Subj: 24 Volt Conversion Oh my gawd,no thanks:-)24V stuff is not readily available over here, any more than 6V stuff is.Originally,as you may be aware,the 2.25 diesel had two 6V batteries,one under the LH seat,and one in the engine bay.The PO (sensibly) changed all this to one large 12V battery in the engine bay.It was just what he used to wire it that was the trouble...... From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 13 13:54:25 1993 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 11:32:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "RANDY ROSE (818)395-3840" Subject: Re:24 Volt--one more try To: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com X-Envelope-To: lro@stratus.com X-Vms-To: IN%"M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk" X-Vms-Cc: IN%"lro@stratus.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Blasted text editor...third time will be the charmer... Or maybe the problem is at my end. Mike-let me know if you've gotten the complete script several times-RR Half of my response got deleted, so here's a second try: THIRD! Your post: *** From: IN%"M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk" "Mike Rooth" 13-SEP-1993 02:32:29.66 To: IN%"lro@transfer.stratus.com" CC: Subj: 24 Volt Conversion Oh my gawd,no thanks:-)24V stuff is not readily available over here, any more than 6V stuff is.Originally,as you may be aware,the 2.25 diesel had two 6V batteries,one under the LH seat,and one in the engine bay.The PO (sensibly) changed all this to one large 12V battery in the engine bay.It was just what he used to wire it that was the trouble...... From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 13 15:19:14 1993 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 11:32:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "RANDY ROSE (818)395-3840" Subject: Re:24 Volt--one more try To: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com X-Envelope-To: lro@stratus.com X-Vms-To: IN%"M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk" X-Vms-Cc: IN%"lro@stratus.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Blasted text editor...third time will be the charmer... Or maybe the problem is at my end. Mike-let me know if you've gotten the complete script several times-RR Half of my response got deleted, so here's a second try: THIRD! Your post: *** From: IN%"M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk" "Mike Rooth" 13-SEP-1993 02:32:29.66 To: IN%"lro@transfer.stratus.com" CC: Subj: 24 Volt Conversion Oh my gawd,no thanks:-)24V stuff is not readily available over here, any more than 6V stuff is.Originally,as you may be aware,the 2.25 diesel had two 6V batteries,one under the LH seat,and one in the engine bay.The PO (sensibly) changed all this to one large 12V battery in the engine bay.It was just what he used to wire it that was the trouble...... From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 14 01:19:19 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: Rebuild From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 22:03:05 -0400 Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada The Paddler writes: > The reason I mentioned spliting the two is for the fact of serviceing the > clutch, diaphram and the release bearing... Might as well as you're there... But of course... :-) Though if yours is an early Series IIA or before, you will not have a release bearing that is easily changed. Just put the two pieces back together for the reinstallation. Though more unweildy, it is a lot easier if you put the engine/gearbox back in together if you can. Rgds, -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 14 01:35:19 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Road Report From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 21:57:56 -0400 Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada DAVID SPENCER writes: > I was on the road for week in New England area. Perhaps it is > prohibited to post ads but these are some I saw in maine and > Mass. I see no reason to not post ads for Land Rovers here. There have been people in the past looking for them, so any sources that come available would be welcome. BTW, I like the prices. Quite > As for determining the Year of production for the two Lr's I own ... > I left the serial No.s at home, so I bring them later. We only need the first three of four digits if it is a Series IIA or later. What size is the water pump housing? If it is quite large, it will be a IIA. > parts are scarce around here, while away...some one adopted one of my > dipsticks and the hand brake....very strange. nothing else missing. Parts availability isn't that bad. Parts can be had, it is how long one is willing to wait, and how much is willing to pay that determines things. Series I's can have parts problems. Series IIA really have no problems, albeit there are a few NLA parts, though none really important. Rgds, -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 14 01:35:21 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: Electrics From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 22:05:08 -0400 Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada The Paddler writes: > Yes I am absolutly sure... He recivedd thee vehicle and fitted > the new equipment on as he got it.. All I can say is interesting. Why did he bother going 24 volt? An expensive-ish proposition if not really required. Rgds, -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 14 03:58:13 1993 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 93 02:47:15 MDT From: rhcaldw@nma.mnet.uswest.com ( ROY CALDWELL ) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: test msg test,test,test--I hope. From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 14 06:08:10 1993 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 07:57:59 AST From: DAVID SPENCER To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Cc: x92nca@essex.stfx.ca Subject: serial number The serial numbers of my rigs are 144001361 and 24423158?. -David S. From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 14 08:28:36 1993 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 93 13:16:23 GMT From: u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: my long lost brother! >The serial numbers of my rigs are 144001361 and 24423158?. -David S. WHAT?? 144001361? that must be my long lost brother! are you a blindsides tailgater too? i bet you look just like me! -Nigel Hamilton (a '60 series II '88, with nice rounded tail lenses and threaded vent controls-#144004308) ps my owner (r.dushin) is not in front of his dusty service manual right now, so someone out there might wanna verify this. From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 14 08:58:03 1993 Return-Path: From: Mike Rooth Subject: Neck-Snapping Rover. To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Tue, 14 Sep 93 14:43:50 BST My Rover had recently developed a "neck-snapping" pitching motion, which has always been there in a lesser degree,but over the last month or two ahs become so uncomfortable that *something* had to be done.So coincidentally when the tailpipe fell off (yesterday) I also bought two shock absorbers for the front.Since it took me longer than the programmed half hour to fit a new back box(I HATE exhaust systems)I spent a pleasant half hour replacing the shockers as well.The ones that came off were almost rigid.I have never known dampers to fail this way before,it was next to impossible to shove them in and out.Has anyone else known this to happen,or were these heavy duty jobs?The pitching motion is 90% better now,which indicates that similar surgery will be necessary on the rear shockers at an early date. Incidentally,Steve,these were sold to me as standard shock absorbers, and do,in fact,damp in both directions. Cheers Mike Rooth From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Tue Sep 14 12:09:42 1993 Return-Path: From: Steve Methley Subject: Re: Neck-Snapping Rover. To: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 93 17:54:30 BST Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9309141343.AA02369@hpc.lut.ac.uk>; from "Mike Rooth" at Sep 14, 93 2:43 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9.hplb.1] Whoa Mike, I had to read that message twice; thought for a moment you had neck-snapping acceleration!! > My Rover had recently developed a "neck-snapping" pitching motion, Ahh.. > Incidentally,Steve,these were sold to me as standard shock absorbers, > and do,in fact,damp in both directions. Yes, this makes sense really; it must be quite hard to make them damp in one direction ie you'd need a valve. Goodness only knows what Craddocks had in mind when they told me only HD ones damped both ways. I wanted HD anyway, so they didn't need a fake selling job. Your springs must be quite soft if you get excessive pitching, are they original? Best Regards, Steve. From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 06:07:24 1993 Return-Path: From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: Neck-Snapping Rover. To: sgm@hpl.hewlett-packard.co.uk (Steve Methley) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 11:56:34 BST Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9309141654.AA12846@smethley.hpl.hp.com>; from "Steve Methley" at Sep 14, 93 5:54 pm Hi Steve, I *have* got neck-snapping acceleration.0 to 40 in a fortnight is fast,isnt it? The springs are replacements I fitted about four years ago,but whether they are soft or hard remains to be seen,because they werent really entering into the equation at all.The front shockers, (and I suspect the back ones may be the same) were acting as a virtually solid strut between the axle and the chassis.I think that a solid piece of rubber may have had a little more give than the shockers.The net result was that when a front wheel met an uneven surface,the whole front corner of the Land Rover lifted or dropped to meet it,with the inevitable creaks and groans as the chassis tried to flex (a la vintage car).The difference now is amazing.For the first time I feel as though I really *am* driving a ton and a half.Potholes and rocks give rise to a faint "thump" with no vertical chassis movement at all.The well-known Land Rover-on-cross-ply's terrain following tendency is suddenly absent.The ride is smooth but firm without any noise from the chassis or body.I wouldnt have believed replacing shock absorbers would have such a profound effect.The only remaining irregularity is a bit of a vertical "shimmy" at the back,which,come to think of it,probably means that the rear units have failed in the usual way,and arent doing anything at all.So they get done next month. So yours should handle in a vastky different manner,when you replace your dampers.(Or perhaps it already does). Cheers Mike From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 06:27:17 1993 Return-Path: From: Steve Methley Subject: Re: Neck-Snapping Rover. To: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 12:18:11 BST Cc: sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com, lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9309151056.AA28910@hpc.lut.ac.uk>; from "Mike Rooth" at Sep 15, 93 11:56 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9.hplb.1] Hi Mike, it's really nice when you've sorted out something isn't it? I go drive all the places I did before I solved the problem, just to show myself how much better it is now (like doing 80mph in the outside lane with the top off when I did the rocker shafts!!). Just out of interest, did you fit genuine springs? I'm thinking about getting some Craddock ones for 50 quid a pair (9 leaf front). (Hope they don't tell me only heavy duty ones spring both ways!). I'll replace the shocks first tho' after your tale. I'm in the slow process of converting my Lightweight back to stock bodywise, including fitting the original dash and vents back in and refitting the bulkhead behind the seats. I'm really torn about taking out the roll cage; really I want it for safety, but it gets in the way so much I can't get seats in the back. Maybe I'll just take the stays off... (Any strong opinions about roll cages out there, why don't LR fit them as standard to soft tops?) Also I must change the colour to LR green like the new 90's. I remember you and others had some tips on painting, but I didn't save them. Time for the painting horror stories people. Best Regards, Steve. V8 Lightweight. From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 07:00:05 1993 Return-Path: From: Mike Rooth Subject: Spring Tale To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 12:44:03 BST Steve, No,I didnt fit geniune springs,and have always wished that I had. The Rover has a definite list to starboard.I got the springs locally fronts first(when one broke) and then a year or so later rears(when one broke).I asked the guy to identify which side was which when I fetched them,which he did.I cant beleive that he got it wrong *both* times.The answer,or at least the likely answer,surfaced when we were talking about it at work(beats working any day)some months ago. The theory is that the most likely thing is that both sides were made with the same camber.Unfortunately,I didnt place them upside down on a flat surface before I fitted them to ascertain which was which,I just assumed the guy knew what he was talking about.Wrong!Having said that, the firm I dealt with is a small local concern,so if I was going to Craddocks I would probably feel safe enough with their non-gen parts. The other problem was that the bushes in the back ones lasted all of a month.I replaced them with non-gen from Derbyshire Land Rovers,with the same results.The problem turned out to be that the bushes werent concentric,not a problem in itself,but the concentricity wasnt the same at either end.I have on e on my desk now.I replaced with gen bushes over a year ago and they are still there.They were horribly expensive though,a whole 10p more per bush:-) Incidentally,when I asked the local boys about the lean,they said that it is always a problem keeping Land Rovers level,and suggested that my chassis had undergone major surgery,which is utter bullshit. I still deal with the locals,but take their pronouncements with a large barrel full of salt. Cheers Mike From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 08:43:17 1993 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 09:30:23 EDT From: gmayhew@sven.lerc.nasa.gov (George Mayhew) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: FOR SALE: '93 RR County LWB The contract on which I work is being terminated, and I am forced to sell this outstanding luxury sport utility vehicle. 1993 RANGE ROVER COUNTY LWB (Long Wheel Base) Alpine White Exterior Tan Connelly Leather Interior Mediterranean Poplar Wood Interior Trim 4.2 Liter V8 Engine Electronic Fuel Injection 4 Speed Automatic Transmission Electronically Controlled Air Suspension Power Steering Permanent Four Wheel Drive Four Wheel Disc Brakes Four Wheel ABS a/d/s Sound System Six Speakers + Subwoofer AM-FM-Cassette Radio Six Disc CD Changer Air Conditioning Heated Front Seats Heated Windshield Heated Side Mirrors Heated Door Locks Front & Rear Window Interval Wipers Rear Window Defroster Headlight Washers High Intensity Driving Lamps Halogen Headlamps Aluminum Body Panels Front & Rear Mudflaps Cruise Control Power Windows Power Locks Keyless Entry Security System Two-way Power Sunroof 60/40 Folding Rear Seat Front & Rear Door Puddle Lights Transferrable Warranty Accessories: Carpet Floor Mats Removable Dog Guard Price new with accessories over $50,000. LIKE NEW. Less than 6,500 miles. Asking $44,500 (Negotiable) George Mayhew Phone (216) 977-1158 email g.mayhew@ieee.org From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 09:10:55 1993 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 13:58:49 GMT From: u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: springs Mike wrote: >I asked the guy to identify which side was which when I fetched them,which he did.I cant beleive that he got it wrong *both* times. When I did Nige's springs (last year) I was only able to get one spring for the fronts and one for the rears (from RN). I realized that stock springs were different in front (but apparently only one was "available") but always thought the rears were identical. My parts guide shows ONLY one part number for each, and can distinctly recall inquiring about them (the fronts, at least) when I placed my order. Also, the ones I got were "clamped" together (with bent pressed steel) and not bolted as the stock ones were. 2 questions: 1) are separate springs available (right vs. left) for both fronts and rears? 2) can you still get the bolted-together springs? (this would be nice to have......if ya busted one you could easily dig into your spares without having to deal with making new "clamps") -rdushin/nige From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 11:05:16 1993 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 08:52:17 PDT From: bellas@gamma.tti.com (Bellas) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Odd looking rover In my daily commute I pass a yard that has a couple of Landies in it. Today I noticed a new one that looked rather odd. For the most part it looks like a 109 but the front is modified to be a large flat plate. The headlamps are mounted at the upper outside edges and there are cutouts for venting and radiator. The bonnet also seems to be extended to cover this differently shaped front end. Is this some optional configuration or did someone just fabricate a new front end (perhaps after a crash )? The place is always closed when I come by so asking the owner is not currently an option. Thanks. -Pete- * Pete Bellas "Cogito ergo spud" * * Citicorp/TTI I think therefore I yam. * * Santa Monica, CA * * bellas@gamma.tti.com * From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 11:05:58 1993 Return-Path: From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: springs To: u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 16:48:45 BST Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9309151358.AA69881@y1.sdsc.edu>; from "dushin russell" at Sep 15, 93 1:58 pm Hmmm...Remember I was talking about RHD stuff here.It may be that LHD (sorry LHStng) vehicles are different.Dont forget *we* all thought that all Land Rovers had 16" wheels,until you proved otherwise.On the premise that the RH springs have a greater free camber to offset the weight of the fuel tank and driver,it may be that if the tank is on the right,and the driver on the left, less compensation is necessary.I *was* under the impression that only the top leaf was replaceable,but,again,I could be wrong.It is certainly advised here that if your top leaf has gone,its only a matter of time until the others go,so replace the whole thing. Certainly the other leaves will be "tired".I've never seen a spring constructed like you describe Nige's,I must admit.I think mine are either bolted or rivetted together,must admit offhand I cant say which.It probably doesnt matter whether the springs are not the same camber or otherwise,provided you dont end up with new springs and a list to one side. I think it might interest us in the UK if someone were to describe a typical (if such a thing exists) export,say S111.Particularly with reference to fuel tank position,control layout,brake and clutch pipe ditto(rumour has it that the latter is a right rat's nest),exhaust run etc.It seems that Rover changed more things than we wot of! Regards Mike Rooth From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 11:14:59 1993 Return-Path: From: jory@mit.edu To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: springs Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 12:02:09 EDT for what it's worth: i was asking charlie at rover's north about the lack of different springs (left-right) in the catalog, and he said land rover had originally specced different springs, but that they now went with just the one for both sides since the different ones didn't do much... -jory From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 11:20:40 1993 Return-Path: From: phhester@lenexa.lenexa.ingr.com (Paul Hester) Subject: 16" rims To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 11:17:32 CDT Reply-To: phhester@lenexa.lenexa.ingr.com Hello, Anyone have an unused set of 16" rims they would be willing to sell cheap? Paul -- *********** hesterph@lenexa.lenexa.ingr.com ************* * * * Paul H. Hester | "I know that you believe you * * Project Manager | understand what you think was * * (913) 599-1250 | said, but I am not sure you * * FAX 913-599-0750 | realize that what you heard * * Mailstop: KSLEN | is not what was meant." * * * *********** hesterph@lenexa.lenexa.ingr.com ************* From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 12:07:43 1993 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 13:52:59 AST From: DAVID SPENCER To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: RE: Long Lost Brother! >WHAT?? 144001361? that must be my long lost brother! are you a >blindsides tailgater too? i bet you look just like me! > -Nigel Hamilton (a '60 series II '88, with nice rounded > tail lenses and threaded vent controls-#144004308) >ps my owner (r.dushin) is not in front of his dusty service manual >right now, so someone out there might wanna verify this. Well...yes likely to be a long lost brother. But as for the rear tail lenses, they are at this piont not original. Of the two I purchased this one is mechanicaly in better shape but it eas used for a while as a logging machine. It has seen some serious off road territory. So perhaps they are faternal twins. Some of the body work won'nt be difficult for my (as grew up working in a black smith shop) but some panel will be replaced instead. I won'nt have a lot of time to do work for a couple of month...but I'd be glad to do a comparison of the equipment as I go along. David S. ps. please excuse the typo's ds. From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 12:08:27 1993 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 09:52:39 -0700 From: Teriann J. Wakeman To: gmayhew@sven.lerc.nasa.gov, lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: FOR SALE: '93 RR County LWB With appologies to George, but I couldnUt help but make the comparison: >1993 RANGE ROVER COUNTY LWB (Long Wheel Base) 1960 Land Rover 109 > Alpine White Exterior Mostly Green Exterior >Tan Connelly Leather Interior Gray nagrahyde & duct tape interior >Mediterranean Poplar Wood Interior Trim Trim? >4.2 Liter V8 Engine 2-1/4 Liter in line 4 engine >Electronic Fuel Injection Rodchester 1 barrel off a Chevy 4 banner >4 Speed Automatic Transmission 4 speed manual + hi & lo range >Electronically Controlled Air Suspension 4 leaf springs + 4 shocks - ride controlled by amount of hay carried >Power Steering people steering >Permanent Four Wheel Drive 2 & 4 wheel drive with front hub lockouts >Four Wheel Disc Brakes four wheel drum brakes >Four Wheel ABS Not enough braking power to skid >a/d/s Sound System Squeek, rattle, & wherr sound system >Six Speakers + Subwoofer I speak & dog wolfs >AM-FM-Cassette Radio i sing a lot >Six Disc CD Changer i hum a bit too >Air Conditioning Cowel & roof vents >Heated Front Seats Kodiak heater vents near front seats >Heated Windshield Good defroster >Heated Side Mirrors Duel wing mirrors >Heated Door Locks doors that lock?? >Front & Rear Window Interval Wipers individually motored wipers >Rear Window Defroster window scraper >Headlight Washers bugs on headlamps >High Intensity Driving Lamps Lucas driving Lamps >Halogen Headlamps Dido >Aluminum Body Panels Dido >Front & Rear Mudflaps Rear mud flaps >Cruise Control hand throttle >Power Windows side curtains >Power Locks Really? locks? >Keyless Entry same here >Security System Big dog & mini 14 >Two-way Power Sunroof removable hard top >60/40 Folding Rear Seat folding rear side facing seat >Front & Rear Door Puddle Lights under drive train puddles >Transferrable Warranty Only work on my own cars >Accessories: > Carpet Floor Mats rubber floor mats > Removable Dog Guard Removable Guard Dog >Price new with accessories over $50,000. New ??????? >LIKE NEW. Less than 6,500 miles. Well used 500K + miles >Asking $44,500 (Negotiable) I may sell it sometime after I die IUve only had it since 1978 >George Mayhew TeriAnn ; ^) From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 14:02:21 1993 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 14:22:32 -0400 (EDT) From: The Paddler Subject: Re: 16" rims To: Paul Hester Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <199309151617.AA04591@lenexa.lenexa.ingr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Sep 1993, Paul Hester wrote: > Hello, > > Anyone have an unused set of 16" rims they would be willing to sell > cheap? Paul... The words `16"', `rims', `willing' and `cheap' are tough to find in one sentacne! I'm not sure but I think I know someone with two or three they may part with....Let you know.. --Jeff From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 14:02:51 1993 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 11:26:23 PDT From: rsrose@juliet.caltech.edu (RANDY ROSE (818)395-3840) Subject: repost-hopefully complete this time To: lro@transfer.stratus.com X-St-Vmsmail-To: IN%"lro@stratus.com" In regards to: (appologies to those who have gotten the complete message) From: IN%"M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk" "Mike Rooth" 13-SEP-1993 02:32:29.66 To: IN%"lro@transfer.stratus.com" CC: Subj: 24 Volt Conversion Oh my gawd,no thanks:-)24V stuff is not readily available over here, any more than 6V stuff is.Originally,as you may be aware,the 2.25 diesel had two 6V batteries,one under the LH seat,and one in the engine bay.The PO (sensibly) changed all this to one large 12V battery in the engine bay.It was just what he used to wire it that was the trouble...... Regards Mike Rooth *** Mike- Since you once had two batteries, and may still have the ability to carry two, I would suggest two 12 volt batts, wired in parallel (as opposed to the 6's that were wired in series). This will give you double the capacity of one 12 volt, which comes in handy when cranking over a diesel--I've found one battery can be sluggish, especially if you have to crank for any length of time. Also, as the batteries age, you won't have cranking problems so soon. A single 12 volt battery that is half through its life is just marginal to crank a diesel when the weather gets cold. Also, you don't have to buy gigungus batteries. Randy From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 14:15:16 1993 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 16:00:14 AST From: DAVID SPENCER To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Rodchester carbs? ...Lots of stuff deleted... > 1960 Land Rover 109 > 2-1/4 Liter in line 4 engine > Rodchester 1 barrel off a Chevy 4 banner > TeriAnn ; ^) Could you tell me what the i.d. tag number on your carb is some time? ...or describe it in detail. If it would fit my 1960 lr I would be happy. I have started a small collection of older models. The evolution to present day electronic injectors in interesting. What is a Chey 4 banner? Thanks David S. From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 14:20:09 1993 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 16:07:28 AST From: DAVID SPENCER To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: log records Is there a log for LRO-L from birth to present? An ftp site? Thanks DS. From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 18:17:42 1993 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 16:01:20 PDT From: growl@terminous.eng.sun.com (William L. Grouell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com, twakeman@apple.com Subject: Re: FOR SALE: '93 RR County LWB BRAVO! Good job TeriAnn. Mine is "mostly red" but is other wise much like yours. R bg > From car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 10:04:05 1993 > To: gmayhew@sven.lerc.nasa.gov, lro@transfer.stratus.com > Subject: Re: FOR SALE: '93 RR County LWB > Content-Length: 4312 > X-Lines: 94 > > With appologies to George, but I couldnUt help but make the comparison: > > stuff deleted > > >George Mayhew > > TeriAnn ; ^) > From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 18:27:44 1993 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 16:14:53 -0700 From: Teriann J. Wakeman To: lro@transfer.stratus.com, x92nca@essex.stfx.ca Subject: Re: Rodchester carbs? David, A Chey 4 banner is a line with two typos (oppppsss) Should read "a Chevy 4 banger" In the early 60's Chevy took their popular 6 cylinder cast iron engine and made a 4 cylinder version for the economy car versions of Nova & others. Its basically the 6 with 2 less cylinders. I have been told that it fits into the Land Rover bay without any modifications, and even lines up with the stock Land Rover engine mounts. Anyway, this engine came with a Rodchester single barrel carb. It bolts to the stock Land Rover intake manafold, and connects to the stock linkage. Ask your parts dealer for a rodchester carb for a '62 Nova 4 cylinder. You should get the correct part. I think the carbs sell for about $50ish. The Chevy cast iron 4 cyl. engine is still being made in Mexico as a fork lift engine. It is lighter than the Land Rover 4, gets better petrol milage, and has more power. TeriAnn From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 19:35:36 1993 Return-Path: From: daryl@rt2.menzies.su.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Subject: Re: Odd looking rover To: bellas@gamma.tti.com (Bellas) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 9:40:26 CST Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9309151552.AA03433@gamma.tti.com>; from "Bellas" at Sep 15, 93 8:52 am Pete Bellas wrote :> > > In my daily commute I pass a yard that has a couple of Landies in it. Today > I noticed a new one that looked rather odd. For the most part it looks like > a 109 but the front is modified to be a large flat plate. The headlamps are > mounted at the upper outside edges and there are cutouts for venting and > radiator. The bonnet also seems to be extended to cover this differently > shaped front end. Is this some optional configuration or did someone just > fabricate a new front end (perhaps after a crash )? The place is always > closed when I come by so asking the owner is not currently an option. It sounds a little like a sIII V8, except for the cutouts for venting the radiator. Some V8's had an additional "slot" cut beneath the main grill, it was offset (to the right??), about 1/2 the length of the radiator and about 3-4 inches high. This "slot" was used in some of the OZ 3.9L diesels for oil coolers, but I dont know the origin of it. My V8 doesnt have one. V8 bonnets come all the way forward to the front of the car and have a distinctive profile, the sides of the bonnet are higher than the central section but become flush at the front. The bonnet does curve slightly over the grill, but not much. SIII V8's had a wire mesh grill mounted flush, not the slotted - forward protruding grill of the 110/defender series. If you can get close enough look for a key-lock (or provision for it) on the top part of the radiator surround juts below the bonnet and ofset to the right. If you can find this its almost certainly a factory job. Externally the bonnet grill arrangement is the only way to tell a sIII V8, unless the badges are still on it. (mine fell off years ago) Lets know what it turns out to be. -- Daryl Webb (daryl@menzies.su.edu.au) _-*_|\ SIII V8 county ( 360,000+ K and *nearly* stuffed) / \ "Oil leak officer, What oil leak ?" \_.--._/ Darwin Australia (Kakadu country) "Top end Down-under" v From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Wed Sep 15 19:56:13 1993 Return-Path: From: daryl@rt2.menzies.su.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Subject: Re: spring clamps To: u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 10:00:28 CST Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9309151358.AA69881@y1.sdsc.edu>; from "dushin russell" at Sep 15, 93 1:58 pm > Mike wrote: ---- Stuff Deleted---- Also, the ones I got > were "clamped" together (with bent pressed steel) and not bolted as > the stock ones were. I assume you are all refering to the leaf clamps and not the central bolt. The stock (stamped "ROVER") springs on my sIII are clamped, several of which are broken :-( , all of which have been "reclamped" on several occasions with my trusty 32oz engineers hammer. The springs on my ex '66 sIIa had bolted clamps, these were great until the side of the clamp chaffed through and the whole thing fell off :-( -rdushin/nigel hamilton ask 2 questions: > 1) are separate springs available (right vs. left) for both fronts and > rears? From factory it seems to vary with vehicle, my sIIa had 4 different springs but the rears on my sIII are the same. I have not yet found an OZ spring maker who bothers to "make" springs differently for L or R on rovers, some insist on setting them differently, but most dont bother. > 2) can you still get the bolted-together springs? (this would be nice > to have......if ya busted one you could easily dig into your spares > without having to deal with making new "clamps") No idea, I suspect not unless you got them made that way on special order. -- Daryl Webb (daryl@menzies.su.edu.au) _-*_|\ SIII V8 county ( 360,000+ K and *nearly* stuffed) / \ "Oil leak officer, What oil leak ?" \_.--._/ Darwin Australia (Kakadu country) "Top end Down-under" v From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 04:57:20 1993 Return-Path: From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: springs To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 9:42:23 BST Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: ; from "dixon kenner" at Sep 16, 93 12:23 am Dixon, Almost certainly not genuine.If you recall,LRO mag ran a refurbish series on a S111,(most of which has been published in a book called "Land Rover Restoration,Tips & Techniques").I've just looked it up and in the bit where the springs are replaced David Bowyer says "make sure you have the right part number for each corner of the vehicle".Note,*each corner*.So they are either not selling gen parts,or they are not selling the complete *range* of gen springs. Regards Mike Rooth From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 04:57:23 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: Rodchester carbs? From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 01:12:20 -0400 Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada writes: > single barrel carb. It bolts to the stock Land Rover intake manafold, > and connects to the stock linkage. > > Ask your parts dealer for a rodchester carb for a '62 Nova 4 cylinder. You > should get the correct part. I think the carbs sell for about $50ish. It replaces a Solex without change. If the Land Rover is fitted with a Zenith you must remove the adapter plate, though you could sell that adapter plate to someone with a Solex changing to a Weber. Much mucking about required with the linkages? Rgds, -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 04:57:27 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: springs From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 00:23:15 -0400 Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada jory@MIT.EDU writes: > i was asking charlie at rover's north about the lack of different springs > (left-right) in the catalog, and he said land rover had originally > specced different springs, but that they now went with just the one for > both sides since the different ones didn't do much... Are they supplying "genuine" parts here? If so, why do the UK catalogues make a differentiation between left and right. Rgds, -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 04:57:41 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: springs From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 00:08:35 -0400 Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) writes: > 1) are separate springs available (right vs. left) for both fronts and > rears? My catalogues show that you must specify Passenger or Driver side when ordering (as well as specifying left or right hand drive). Thus all four front spring combinations must still be available, though I don't know offhand whether or not the back differ between lhd and rhd. > 2) can you still get the bolted-together springs? (this would be nice > to have......if ya busted one you could easily dig into your spares > without having to deal with making new "clamps") Not a clue on this one, though the photo in the Merseyside catalogue implies that they are bolted along with the metal strapping. Rgds, -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 04:57:37 1993 Return-Path: From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: FOR SALE: '93 RR County LWB To: twakeman@apple.com (Teriann J. Wakeman) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 9:31:16 BST Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9309151652.AA13785@apple.com>; from "Teriann J. Wakeman" at Sep 15, 93 9:52 am I *like* it TeriAnn.Dixon,that has GOT to go in the FAQ somehow. Cheers Mike Rooth From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 04:59:00 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: serial number From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 23:59:47 -0400 Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada DAVID SPENCER writes: > The serial numbers of my rigs are 144001361 and 24423158?. -David S. 1440 denotes that it is a Series II (1960) Export Stg. model 244 denotes that it is a Series IIA Export stg. model. Series IIA vehicles do not denote the year in the serial number unfortunately. The ? I presume corresponds to a letter that designates several "revisions". -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 05:00:31 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: springs From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 00:15:37 -0400 Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada Mike Rooth writes: > less compensation is necessary.I *was* under the impression that > only the top leaf was replaceable,but,again,I could be wrong.It > is certainly advised here that if your top leaf has gone,its only > a matter of time until the others go,so replace the whole thing. > Certainly the other leaves will be "tired".I've never seen a spring > constructed like you describe Nige's,I must admit.I think mine are > either bolted or rivetted together,must admit offhand I cant say > which.It probably doesnt matter whether the springs are not the > same camber or otherwise,provided you dont end up with new springs > and a list to one side. An interesting modification that we have just carried out on two Series II swb's to address the tired spring problem (*very* tired on one) was to remove the rubber bushings, weld in holding plates and between the axle and frame and then place some coil springs between the axle and frame. Thus far it looks as if it might be quite successful. > I think it might interest us in the UK if someone were to describe > a typical (if such a thing exists) export,say S111.Particularly with > reference to fuel tank position,control layout,brake and clutch pipe > ditto(rumour has it that the latter is a right rat's nest),exhaust > run etc.It seems that Rover changed more things than we wot of! Hmmm, kind of tough. I have yet to see a UK spec Land Rover. The exhaust should be the same, the hydraulics are a bit of a mess as the pipes go off to the left to the union points and then continue in a UK fashion. Fuel tank is under the passenger seat (One person recently ordered a new one. The quality between the new is certainly not there when compared to the old...), and instruments are in same order, but moved over to my knowledge. I'll see if I can dig up a photo or too in LRO of a rhd vehicle interior. Rgds, -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 05:00:28 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: FOR SALE: '93 RR County LWB From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 00:26:11 -0400 Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada writes: > With appologies to George, but I couldnUt help but make the comparison: Me too... > >1993 RANGE ROVER COUNTY LWB (Long Wheel Base) > 1960 Land Rover 109 1964 Land Rover Station Wagon > > Alpine White Exterior > Mostly Green Exterior Mostly green Exterior, galvanised trim > >Tan Connelly Leather Interior > Gray nagrahyde & duct tape interior Ditto, but no duct tape > >Mediterranean Poplar Wood Interior Trim > Trim? Green steel and aluminium trim. Black plastic/felt coverings > >4.2 Liter V8 Engine > 2-1/4 Liter in line 4 engine 2.25l improved in-line 4 cylinder, three main bearing. Better than Terriann's version. :-) > >Electronic Fuel Injection > Rodchester 1 barrel off a Chevy 4 banner Single barrel Weber > >4 Speed Automatic Transmission > 4 speed manual + hi & lo range 4 speed manual/high-low range until the overdrive arrives then 16 speed forward, four reverse... :-) > >Electronically Controlled Air Suspension > 4 leaf springs + 4 shocks - ride controlled by amount of hay carrie leaf springs, 11 leaves in the front, 13 in the back. Reputidly some shocks are there, but you would never know... Springs are individually matched to corner of vehicle that they appear on > >Power Steering > people steering manual steering (with manual warning *not* to open steering relay assembly) A very robust system that operates without fluid if necessary. Steers like a cow, wandering about on the highway. Probably unsafe to drive at greater than 60mph speeds. > >Permanent Four Wheel Drive > 2 & 4 wheel drive with front hub lockouts Warn hubs on front. Were a dealer option as they came fitted with out locking hubs. Driving in 4x4 on tarmac not permitted as gearbox will self destruct. > >Four Wheel Disc Brakes > four wheel drum brakes four wheel drum, two cylinder in rear, four in front (11 inch). Single resevoir for clutch and brake for ease of filling and periodic checking. > >Four Wheel ABS > Not enough braking power to skid Ditto, but no braking if immersed in water > >a/d/s Sound System > Squeek, rattle, & wherr sound system Ditto, but add roar of engine denoting engine revolutions. A safety feature to allow operator to know when to change gears. Sound system? Whats that? > >Air Conditioning > Cowel & roof vents Plus six sliding windows... > >Heated Front Seats > Kodiak heater vents near front seats Kodiak heater for looks. Next to useless in Canadian winter. Was an option not generally available in the United States. > >Heated Windshield > Good defroster Ice scrapper. > >Heated Side Mirrors > Duel wing mirrors Dual wing mirrors > >Heated Door Locks > doors that lock?? Two unheated door locks. Other four doors are locked from inside to prevent a mistaken locking of keys inside. Driver's door and rear door have locks. Keys do not match as additional security feature (this is original too...) > >Front & Rear Window Interval Wipers > individually motored wipers Seperately controlled front wipers. > >Rear Window Defroster > window scraper Too far away to care. Front defroster works in rear if required. No sane driver gets within ten cars lengths behind the 109 anyway. > >Headlight Washers > bugs on headlamps Mud, salt, slush, ice, bugs on front depending on season. > >High Intensity Driving Lamps > Lucas driving Lamps Lucas driving lights with safety feature shutting off front "side" lights to preserve electrical power to system. Further safety margins preclude the operation of Lucas headlamps with heater motor at same time. > >Halogen Headlamps > Dido Halogen? Tunsten core, partial vaccuum system. > >Aluminum Body Panels > Dido With galvanised steel trim. Panels are Burmabright, not aluminium. > >Front & Rear Mudflaps > Rear mud flaps No mudflaps. Are an owner added option. > >Cruise Control > hand throttle Hand throttle. Doubles use as engine control for stationary winch operation. > >Power Windows > side curtains Sliding windows > >Security System > Big dog & mini 14 Intellegence test to figure how to start it. > >Two-way Power Sunroof > removable hard top No sunroof. Safari Roof for added cooling. > >60/40 Folding Rear Seat > folding rear side facing seat 2 x facing rear seats, one bench rear seat. Seats twelve very small purchase tax avoiding Anglo-Saxons. > >Front & Rear Door Puddle Lights > under drive train puddles general fluid puddles all round. Interior roof light, some instrument lights, ten light bulbs on exterior (including headlamps) > >Transferrable Warranty > Only work on my own cars Ditto, though entire vehicle can be dissassembled with basically a box of spanners and a screw driver. > >Accessories: > > Carpet Floor Mats > rubber floor mats No floor mats in front. Silt polished floor plates. Koenig PTO winch Kodiak heater was an option for Canada Positive earth, generator/regulator system, cloth coated wires Discarded carpets from living room in rear No pollution control, thus giving added power Frame mounted bumpers Top speed 52mph, thus no speeding tickets on interstate highways Dixon... :-) PS, Granted, the Range Rover in question would be a *really* nice vehicle to own, and like Terriann's and my vehicle is the best in the world for the year manufactured. -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 10:21:39 1993 Return-Path: From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: Neck-Snapping Rover. To: sgm@hpl.hewlett-packard.co.uk (Steve Methley) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 16:07:50 BST Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9309151118.AA14031@smethley.hpl.hp.com>; from "Steve Methley" at Sep 15, 93 12:18 pm Hi Steve, Do Lightweights use the same springs as us civvy types,or do you have to get separate versions?One thing,whatever type you use, you wont enjoy the job one bit.Tip.When I changed the front springs, the pin that sticks out in the centre to engage the locating hole in the axle casing,had a "sharp" edge,and was the very devil to manouvre into the hole.The rears had a bevelled pin which virtually self-located when within spitting distance.Moral,take a file and bevel the pin.Also, dont do what I did and try to change the springs when its pisitively possing it down.Camel Trophy has nothing on it! Ah painting!Well,youre lucky!ALL army vehicles have paint applied by trowels,painting,squaddies for the use of,one.So you cant make as bad a job of it as they do.Actually,I used ICI Autogloss Synthetic,and a two inch,and half inch brush.I only needed to mask the lights.The galvo'd bits I did with zinc rich paint,which incuded the wire mesh grille.The paint brushed on beautifully,except on the bonnet which was *far* too hot (the temperature was in the eighties that day)and it dried straight off the brush.I chose to brush it rather than borrow spray gear because I'm even worse with a spraygun than a paintbrush.Although I say it myself,I've been pleased with the result,synthetic has a higher gloss than cellulose,and isnt lethal like the two pack stuff.Also the thinners is white spirit.If you want the pukka correct thinners,apparently it is a slightly higher refined white spirit and doesnt cost much more than the B&Q variety.Which I used.I had this information from an ex-coachpainter mate.So why didnt he do it for me?I'm terminally stupid.And its a*very* satisfying job to have done,particularly when people say"Oh you've got a new Land Rover then,lokks a damn sight better than that wreck you were driving last week". To apply the stuff,wash the vehicle(sorry Steve)and then wipe over with a meths soaked rag to degrease.I didnt bother rubbing it down because the paint was rough enough already,but I suppose you ought.I didnt use petrol for obvious reasons,and because mines a diesel.I had a gallon of paint(given) but you wont need more than a quarter,and I did the inside as well.One coat seems to do,and it hasnt come off yet.The colour I used is "Deep Bronze Green",which,I find is different to Bronze Green.Its the colour used on the 90Turbo Diesel that is parked on this campus from time to time.Oh,you need a dry,still,warm day if doing it outside,but you no doubt knew that anyway.Dogs and cats should be firmly locked away. Wives and girlfriends should be despatched until finished.After all you are wasting time with a paintbrush that could be used to *much* more effect inside.Better to present a fait accompli.I was OK,my Rover was such a bloody *awful* mess that my wife was becoming seriously diffident about being seen in it,though still defiant about it.Faint but pursuing,you might say. The whole job took 2-3 hours for the outside,and about the same for the inside,the next day.I left it about an hour to dry,but it *was* a warm day.Then I did the galvo bits,the grille was removed and sprayed grey zinc rich,currently called "cold galvanisation" and the other bits I did by spraying a puddle of paint into a tin out of the aerosol and brushing it on with a half inch brush,which was ditched afterwards(no thinners). Afterwards,just for fun,the nameplates were painted using Humbrol Enamel Brunswick Green background Yellow border and letters using a 50p "artists2 brush. Ah,the grille was removed *before* any painting,obviously. Funny thing was,the old girl seemed to *go* much better aferwards.Who says Land Rovers dont have feelings? Have fun Mike From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 12:18:40 1993 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 10:03:21 -0700 From: Teriann J. Wakeman To: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk, twakeman@apple.com Subject: Re: FOR SALE: '93 RR County LWB Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com Please feel free to use it, as long as the typos are cleaned out first. TeriAnn From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 14:31:43 1993 Return-Path: To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: springs In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 16 Sep 93 00:23:15 EDT." Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 15:20:26 -0400 From: William Caloccia > i was asking charlie at rover's north about the lack of different springs > (left-right) in the catalog, and he said land rover had originally > specced different springs, but that they now went with just the one for > both sides since the different ones didn't do much... Well, I certainly hope so... but let's think about that for a minute -- what isn't symmetricall in a rover which has weight left right driver fuel cell steering box & relay battery more less everything else of any importance is equal on both sides, or centered... It doesn't seem to me that there is an over riding reason for different L/R springs, unless you want to go into the distribution of Torque on the frame and resisting that twist as it comes to planting the wheels on the ground... Has anyone gone the route of re-tempering their springs ? I know there are still a few places that do it (I guess it is regular maintence on the large dump trucks and stuff like that). -- Bill From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 14:40:15 1993 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 19:18:35 GMT From: u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: clarification I wrote: > 2) can you still get the bolted-together springs? (this would be nice > to have......if ya busted one you could easily dig into your spares > without having to deal with making new "clamps") and caused some confusion. I took another look at my originals and they are, more or less, what dixon described as being in the Merseyside catalogue.......the bolt (on the topside of the springs) is actually through the metal strapping ("U" shaped, around the leaves) and keeps the leaves together. The replacements (claimed to be genuine Rover parts) came with metal strapping that was bent on the topside (to keep the leaves together) and looks to be a pain in the butt to get off......fortunately, they are new, but who knows what holds for the future....... rdush oppppppps......dushin, that is (no jokes, please). From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 14:46:01 1993 Return-Path: To: Steve Methley Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: painting In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 15 Sep 93 12:18:11 BST." <9309151118.AA14031@smethley.hpl.hp.com> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 15:35:11 -0400 From: William Caloccia > Also I must change the colour to LR green like the new 90's. I remember you > and others had some tips on painting, but I didn't save them. > Time for the painting horror stories people. Well, from what I've seen the military folks just use a brush. :-) From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 14:59:44 1993 Return-Path: To: mlist-lro@nntp-server.caltech.edu From: rsrose@juliet.caltech.edu (RANDY ROSE (818)395-3840) Newsgroups: mlist.lro Subject: Re: springs Date: 16 Sep 1993 12:49 PDT Organization: California Institute of Technology News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41x4 > > >Has anyone gone the route of re-tempering their springs ? I know there are >still a few places that do it (I guess it is regular maintence on the large >dump trucks and stuff like that). > >-- Bill > Yea, Hit and miss. Some go flat in a few months, some last. My experience, 50/50 chance. Try to find a rebuilder someone has used. Randy Rose Pasadena, California (818)395-3840 rsrose@iago.caltech.edu California Institute of Technology From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 15:09:25 1993 Return-Path: To: DAVID SPENCER Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com, caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com Subject: Re: Road Report In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 13 Sep 93 10:40:34 -0400." <009727AA.E06BE500.13416@esseX.stfx.ca> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 15:59:55 -0400 From: William Caloccia > 1962 British Land Rover. Body gd cond,s sets of tires, wht, spoke whls > 1965 Land Rover SWB 88 5 new all terrain tires, everything works.low milage. Hi David, where abouts did you see these ads ? in papers ? -- Bill From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 15:55:12 1993 Return-Path: Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com, caloccia@tornadic.sw.stratus.com Subject: Re: another parts supplier In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 24 Aug 93 10:35:56 EDT." <9308241434.AA07343@easynet.crl.dec.com> Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 16:41:26 -0400 From: William Caloccia Dixon says: > Bit of Britain > PO Box 1370 > Dedham MA, 02027 > (6??) 361-6396 > This smells suspiciously of the DAP outfit in the area that Jory had > so many problem with and that others have warned of. As far as I > know, there was only one LR-serving-type operation in that area. > Jory? Teri? Actually, DAP (Wareham) is down by the Cape, and Dedham is more of a Boston 'burb off of Rte 1 and 128. From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 16:03:36 1993 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 16:31:07 EDT From: gmayhew@sven.lerc.nasa.gov (George Mayhew) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Re: FOR SALE: '93 RR County LWB Thanks TeriAnn and Dixon. Your humor helps ease the pain that selling this Range Rover causes me. But sell it I must. :~( I don't know where it will be in 33 years, but it wouldn't surprise me to find out it had travelled over half of a million miles, like TeriAnn's '60 109. It's a fantastic vehicle, and it feels like it will go forever. By the way, Dixon, highway speeding tickets are possible in this one. The advertised top speed is 116 mph. It runs just fine at 70. It's sad to say, but I have never had this vehicle off-road. I'll save that pleasure for the next owner. Even without considering that the '94 County has arrived with a new (higher, of course) sticker price, I think my asking price is very fair. I'll listen to reasonable offers, too. I sure would appreciate it if anyone on the list could help me find a new home for my Range Rover. It's a real deal. No hidden whammies. Just a great vehicle at a fair price. George g.mayhew@ieee.org From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Thu Sep 16 18:50:39 1993 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 23:37:20 GMT From: u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: but.... Bill wrote: >left right driver fuel cell steering box & relay battery more less everything else of any importance is equal on both sides, or centered. but.....lest we forget the off-center diff housings-I always thought THAT was the REAL reason why they were two different springs. rd From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Sep 17 03:39:58 1993 Return-Path: From: Mike Rooth Subject: Re: but.... To: u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 93 9:28:10 BST Cc: lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9309162337.AA52277@y1.sdsc.edu>; from "dushin russell" at Sep 16, 93 11:37 pm Ah.......but the diff housings are unsprung weight,and therefore dont affect the problem. Mike Rooth From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Sep 17 09:08:35 1993 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 17 Sep 93 13:57:51 GMT From: u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: but.but. >Ah.......but the diff housings are unsprung weight,and therefore dont affect the problem. Mike Rooth On my way home last night I rethought my last statement.....this did occur to me, but as I thought more about it (it didn't hurt) I thought that it still might make sense......the springs have to deal with torque exerted in the upwards and downwards directions (granted, the vast majority of it is downwards-ie support of everything above the springs-and in the upwards direction-the "un-sprung" mode, so to speak-the exertion of torque only relaxes the spring, and even then the spring can relax only so far until "full camber" is reached). Given that a spring rests somewhere in between "full camber" and "full compression" it seems reasonable that torque could be exerted in either direction (obviously it can only go so far in the "un-sprung" mode since you've got road-and occasional potholes-beneath you). If one thinks in terms of the springs having some degree of dampening function (let's face it- in Rovers the stiff springs do handle much of the dampening.... unless you've got brand new shocks as Mike does) then the difference in "pendant weight" (I know, I know-the diffs/roadwheels/etc ride on the surface of the road) from right to left might be substantial. Have you ever lifted a diff that was off the springs from the right side and then the left??? There is a big difference. But, then again, if it is true that one must specify rhd vs. lhd when ordering new springs, then this arguement is absolute bs. (no big deal, I've a tarnished reputation on this net anyway.......) rd/nige From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Sep 17 09:16:13 1993 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 17 Sep 93 14:05:05 GMT From: u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: brit weather Mike- While we are re-hashing old subjects (eg springs, paint, carbs).... a spat of british weather is upon us (NE US) and by gosh, I gotta tell ya, I love this stuff. All summer long we baked in heatwaves (tied a record for number of days over 90 degrees in the NYC area). Now, the frogs, turtles, and trout are happy again, and I've been able to whip out the Barbour for the season. However, I now have to deal with the "dissolving steering wheel" phenomenon, and as I recall you had the ideal solution. Was it steel wool or some magic abrasive dust you used?? rdushin/nigel From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Sep 17 09:38:05 1993 Return-Path: From: Steve Methley Subject: Re: Neck-Snapping Rover. To: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 93 15:25:32 BST Cc: sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com, lro@transfer.stratus.com In-Reply-To: <9309161507.AA00669@hpc.lut.ac.uk>; from "Mike Rooth" at Sep 16, 93 4:07 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9.hplb.1] Hi Mike, thanks for the reply. It has a lot of useful/reassuring info for me! I'll respond to a couple of the points: > Do Lightweights use the same springs as us civvy types,or do you > have to get separate versions? Standard lightweights all use 7 leaf rears. 12 volt versions use 5 leaf fronts and 24 volt versions use 7 leaf fronts (as they're much heavier due to 24v generator and Fitted For Radio pack). With my V8 conversion tho' it's silly to use anything below 9 leaf fronts - as the engine is heavier and bigger, the last thing you want to do is hit the stops off road in case the chassis cracks; if it does the next thing that will get it is the water pump/timing cover/oil pump assembly - you have to run a remote oil filter as it is. Incidentally I've cracked the 3rd or 4th leaf of my RHS front spring. I have some 11 leaf diesel fronts, and I'm considering either fitting these, which may make things too hard, or hopefully taking a leaf from one of them and replacing the broken leaf in the 9 leafer - does ths sound like it would work, anyone know? Thanks for your tip on bevelling the pin. > Ah painting!Well,youre lucky!ALL army vehicles have paint applied by > trowels,painting,squaddies for the use of,one.So you cant make as bad > a job of it as they do. Yes, now I remember you told me this before. I also want to paint deep bronze green, which is the only colour for an old LR IMHO. Trouble is I have a faded blue soft top with windows. Gosh, will the colours clash!? > Actually,I used ICI Autogloss Synthetic Do I buy this at my local auto store/paintshop or is it something trade or hard to get a hold of? > To apply the stuff,wash the vehicle(sorry Steve).......... Aaarghh! > Funny thing was,the old girl seemed to *go* much better aferwards.Who says > Land Rovers dont have feelings? Wasn't me. > Have fun Always do. Best Regards, Steve. From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Sep 17 16:45:39 1993 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 17 Sep 93 14:29:36 -0700 From: Teriann J. Wakeman To: lro@transfer.stratus.com, u10122@sdsc.edu Subject: Re: but.... rd, The diff housings are unsprung weight as long as you keep the rubber side down. They are not supported by the springs. TeriAnn From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Sep 17 17:44:48 1993 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 17 Sep 93 22:30:20 GMT From: u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: image? Mike- >Strange about that weather,wonder if we've started an export drive? Just to be safe,though,you'd better get some green wellies and a flat 'at.A Whippet and pidgeon muck on your shoulder helps too.Got to have the right image,what? I can get the wellies (not original) here at work for free (my yearly "shoes from industry" allotment) but am in need of a real flat 'at... Pidgeom muck on the shoulders I can do without-got plenty of horseshit on me shoes-mate! seeya, rdushin From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Fri Sep 17 17:44:53 1993 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 17 Sep 93 22:32:44 GMT From: u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: off-road >rd, The diff housings are unsprung weight as long as you keep the rubber side down. They are not supported by the springs. TeriAnn but-THIS thing FLYS! What do you all think they mean by "off-road", anyway?? rd ps......guess noone is buying my rather lame arguement....... From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Sun Sep 19 19:43:14 1993 Return-Path: From: Mark J Keenan Subject: PLEASE PUT ME ON THE LIST To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1993 08:32:36 +0800 (WST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 198 Please put me on the mailing list!!! Cheers, Mark Keenan(mkeenan@uniwa.uwa.edu.au) ---------------------------------------- Landrover - Noisy uncomfortable vehicles for noisy uncomfortable people. From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 20 15:27:10 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: but.but. From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1993 11:52:17 -0400 Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada u10122@sdsc.edu (dushin russell) writes: > But, then again, if it is true that one must specify rhd vs. lhd > when ordering new springs, then this arguement is absolute bs. As Bill illustrated: NADA UK spec left right left right driver battery driver steering fuel tank fuel tank battery steering This will make quite a difference... Rgds, -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada From shute!@mtcamm.monsanto.com:car-list-rejects@transfer.stratus.com Mon Sep 20 15:52:56 1993 Return-Path: <@mail.uunet.ca:sandelman.ocunix.on.ca!aficom!fourfold!dixon@micor> To: lro@transfer.stratus.com Subject: Stowe British Invasion III From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Reply-To: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1993 11:13:06 -0400 Organization: FourFold Symmetry - Nepean, Ontario, Canada b Another British Invasion at Stowe Vermont come and gone. A different set of cars appeared this year compared to last year. While last year we saw a good number of pre-War stuff, it was generally absent this year. If one wants to see a large cross-section of British sports cars, this was the place to see them. 27 various Healeys, a ton of Jags, Triumphs, MG TC through MGC, Rolls, Morgans, Mini's et cetera. No "cheap" British cars though. Not a Popular, Metropolitan, Minor to be seen. Unfortunate in that respect. But who cares about that stuff anyway, we are interested in Land Rovers eh? Well, for some curious reason, while Rovers North could garner 120 Land Rovers last year at their summer party, have no party this year, be only 30 minutes from Stowe, the British Invasion only managed to attract seven Land Rovers. Mine didn't make it for reasons of incompetence on the part of another fellow. What did was as follows: Series III. Almost imaculate, driven by four kids who arrived and started to polish it immediately. They even did the treads. While very keen, they expressed awe when describing a Land Rover that went into water "nearly up to the bottom of the sills!" As I had photos of our last OVLR mud run with us, we kind of blew them away in showing them what a Land Rover could do. Series II Diesel. Dale Desprey made it down in his diesel without fault this year, and while he didn't win any peoples choice awards, did win the tailgate picnic again for a second year. For some reason a Land Rover with an owner dressed up as Baldric of Black Adder fame seemed kind of appropriate. Series IIA John Pritchard of Ottawa arrived in a rebuilt Land Rover, that because of various donor body panels was once multi coloured. John had completely stripped all of the paint from the LR, buffing it into a highly polished sheen of light reflecting aluminium. Series III An old tatty swb Land Rover that showed up late Sunday. Series III One, as the owner claimed, 1976 Series III Station Wagon. While looking superficially as a Series III, it had enough Series IIA components to look like a rebuild job. Very cleam and shiny in a non-Land Rover grey colour. Trim had been painted too... Series III Ted Rose came down in his Series III. One spectator gave him shit for cleaning the mud off, saying that he was a philistine before walking off. Kind of amusing. Defender 110 A pair of 1993 Defenders showed, in all of their immaculate modern pristine condition. Interesting to see one up close and notice how not that much had really changed from my 1964. One interesting thing was that the trim, which on my 1964 is galvanised, is not so on the Defender. One Defender was already showing signs of rust discolouration from under rear trim pieces. The Peoples Choice awards went to the almost imaculate Series III, a Defender took second, and Pritchard's polished IIA took third. There was grumbling from the Land Rover owners that the Defenders and Range Rovers should not be in the sam