Toyota 4x4 digest:    Wednesday, September 23 1998    Volume 02 : Number 097
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 Re:       Re: Locker in IFS
 Re: electronic speedos
 Re: Clinometer
 Re: Please post this question to the list
 hummer parts
 Re: hummer parts
 Holley 4 bbl & header on 22R.....
 doing a 22re rebuild, oppinions please...
 Bio Information
 RE: ARB in an IFS
 Re: thornbirds or boggers?
 Rear End Leak.
 Re: ARB in an IFS
 Re: miscellaneous ramblings... (suspension)
 Re: ARB in an IFS
 Re: Clearence sale...
 Re: ARB in an IFS
 Tranny Removal
 RE: ARB in an IFS
 Ford 5.0 oil pans in a Toyota (was Re: ARB in an IFS)
 Electronic Speedo
 Re: Subject: 18R-GR Engine Information
 Tire Chirp
 Tools and OME (was Re: Tranny Removal)
 Re: variant on the front suspension (where does it come from?)
 Re: Ford 5.0 oil pans in a Toyota (was Re: ARB in an IFS)
 Re: IFS lifts
 85xtra/tires
 smog pump
 Re: electronic speedos
 OBD I  ???
 U-bolt flip
 Cams for 3VZE
 Re[2]: 31 x 10.5's on a 4-runner with factory 225/60/15's
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 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:54:35 -0400
 From: "Bernie H"  Subject: Re:       Re: Locker in IFS
 Where do you buy a wrecked Hummer?  If I were in the states I'd look around
 for military surplus yards.  Don't think we used HuMv's in Canada.
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 mailto:bernieh@home.com
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 From: Leo G. Divinagracia III  To: toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: September 22, 1998 8:10 PM
 Subject: Re: Locker in IFS>> From: David Gibbs >>>> With all this talk of front IFS lockers has anyone considered a model 20
 center from>> a Hummer?  Big inboard discs as a bonus.  Now where can I buy a wrecked
 Hummer?>>yeah, but remember, that the HMMWVs has a gear driven hubs.  so you're>gonna have to use the hubs/wheel/steering assembly on them also.>>on a second thought, that wouldn't be too bad considering, the CTIS comes>with it...>>>----------------------->Leo G. Divinagracia III>ldivinag@csuhayward.edu>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:58:27 -0400
 From: "Bernie H"  Subject: Re: electronic speedos
 How do I tell if my 91 4 Runner is electronic?  I know it has a conventional
 spedo cable from the tranny.  How far off would my spedo be (aprox) going
 from 225/60/15's stock to 31x10.5x15?  Has anybody with larger than stock
 tires ever bothered with the spedo?
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 From: Chris Geiger  To: toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: September 22, 1998 8:42 PM
 Subject: Re: electronic speedos>My 93 4Runner is electronic, if that helps.>>>> What year did Toyota replace the speedo cable with an electronic speed>>> sensor?  1992?>>>>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:26:19 -0700
 From: "Calwest"  Subject: Re: Clinometer
 I think Four Wheel Parts in San Jose, Ca. sells them.
 Mike
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 From: Rainer, Robert  To: 'Toy4x4@tlca.org'  Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 7:47 AM
 Subject: Clinometer>Hello out there>>Don't ask me why, but I would like to get one of these (Clinometers),>and I am having a hell of a time finding one.  I called the bone yards>around here, and no dice.  I usually get a "say what" response.  Then I>am told that eletrical parts are hard to find.  So I called brown's>toyota, and they told me they can no longer get those.  So I am asking>for help...>>can someone send me some names and numbers of bone yards for toyotas.>Any lead will be welcome.  I will probabally spend more in phone calls>then the part.  OH well I will see how hard it is to get one.  And if>you know where one is, or if you have one, That would be even better.>>thanks -- rr>>ps... It depends what the meaning of is..is  ---- Bill Clinton>>rrainer@srhs.com>>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:48:46 -0700
 From: Jim Brink  Subject: Re: Please post this question to the list
 Tony Bartlett wrote:>> Dene, I have a '85 with fuel injection.  I do not know for sure but> maybe the SR5 came with EFI and the others did not.  I am sure you will> get better answers than that.
 All '84 M/Y trucks were carbureted, with the exception of some late '84
 2WD SR-5 trucks. Beginning '85, all SR-5s, 2 and 4WD, were fuel
 injected, along with the ubiqudious, rarely seen Longbed Deluxe 4WD,
 which had EFI when equipped with an automatic transmission.
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 Manhattan Beach, CA                  http://www.off-road.com/~toytech/
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 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:58:08 -0700
 From: David Gibbs  Subject: hummer parts
 Leo wrote,
 "yeah, but remember, that the HMMWVs has a gear driven hubs.  so you're
 gonna have to use the hubs/wheel/steering assembly on them also. "
 Wouldn't it be possible to graft on Toy cvs?  Just gear the 20 right.
 David Gibbs
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 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:32:27 -0700
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Re: hummer parts> Wouldn't it be possible to graft on Toy cvs?
 Toyota CV joints are the main limiting factor on the front suspension, it's why
 extended travel will not work, and when you do extend the travel braking joints
 is all it's good for. Ok I am in a bad mood because I just put in my 3rd new
 axle shaft today. I can do it in a little over a hour now. BTW when you need to
 replace a shaft you should shop around. I bought mine for $79 (exchange price)
 from a place called Larrys Auto Parts here in Santa Barbara. I also called
 Cragen auto parts (the local cheap place) and they wanted $150 for the same
 thing. What a difference in price. Larrys gets the rebuilt units from a place
 called Foot Hill Auto Electric.
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://www.off-road.com/~geiger
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 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:16:43 -0700
 From: Jeff Keenan  Subject: Holley 4 bbl & header on 22R.....
 Just wondering if anybody on the list has had any experience with using a
 holley 4 bbl carb (390cfm) on there truck.  I have a little experience with
 weber carbs, but I know nothing about holley. I may be able to purchase one
 with a header and was curious about what kind of performance gains I should
 expect. What sort of milage should I expect? Do these carbs stand up well
 to off-roading? Will this setup give about the same as a set of 40mm
 sidedrafts? So many questions. Thanks.
 Jeff Keenan
 Kamloops BC
 Canada, eh?
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 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:11:46 -0800
 From: "Richard Sheridan"  Subject: doing a 22re rebuild, oppinions please...
 I have an '85 22re, I'm starting to tare down and rebuild, and am
 intrested in fining out what I can do to to bump up power and
 tourque, while maintaining reliability/durability.....you know, thing
 like putting in a 22returbo oil pump, cam (what kind) valves (oem or
 over sized), pistions/ rings (stock or aftermarket),bearings(Toyota
 or aftermarket), is it worth while balncing and porting or polishing?
 Is an engine oil cooler worth while, alternator / starter
 upgrades..... give me the goods guys, email me directly as well if
 you like
 THANKS IN ADVANCE,
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 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 06:55:04 -0500
 From: wkjimmer-0002  Subject: Bio Information
 Name: Keith Jimmerson
 City/State: Westville, FL
 Country: U.S.A.
 E-mail: wkjimmer@wfeca.net
 Toyota year/model: 1997 Tacoma LX 4x4 Extended Cab Short Bed
 TLCA member?: No
 Age: 32
 Occupation: Nurse manager of 2 medical/surgical floors, Hyperbaric Oxygenation unit
 Marital Status: Divorced
 Hobbies: Computers, fishing, canoeing, camping, reading, playing guitar
 I found your list while surfing the web.
 General Info: My truck has no aftermarket add-on except wheel flairs, and wheels.
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 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:44:58 -0000
 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?500_T=D6LV_R=FAnar_Sigurj=F3nsson?=  Subject: RE: ARB in an IFS
 I know of one 98 hilux up here that was expected to get a 8" front
 pumpkin into the IFS.  Reason was to get a ome locker into it.  It's a
 goverment truck, and a automatic locker in the front was therefore not
 an option.  More I do not know, if they succseded I do not know either.
 If the IFS axle shafts fits into the 8" pumpkin, there should not be any
 problems building one of those units.
 Cheers,
 Runar.> -----Original Message-----> From:	DRM033@aol.com [SMTP:DRM033@aol.com]> Sent:	Tuesday, September 22, 1998 7:26 PM> To:	toy4x4@tlca.org> Subject:	Re: ARB in an IFS>> ksigel@scs.unr.edu writes:>> I have a spare 8" Toyota, but if I go through all that, I'll> probably just>>  swap to a solid axle.>> Again, this would make a diff that is too long due to the desigh of> the> housing (sloped sides down to tube).  You need  something like a 30 or> 44 diff> that is relatively narrow to allow for fitment of the flanges for> attaching> the CV's.> Now I think I am gonna have to build one.  I am gonna go take some> measurements right now.>> More later on what I find...>> David> DRM033@aol.com>> ======================================================================> ======> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 07:59:33 EDT
 From: DRM033@aol.com
 Subject: Re: thornbirds or boggers?
 In a message dated 9/22/98 11:25:03 PM Central Daylight Time,
 offroader@digitalpla.net writes:> I have never ran their boggers or radials yet.  I would like to try the>  radials but I fear of cutting the sidewalls.> The radials have the same sidewall ply rating as the bias ply swampers.  I cut
 a sidewall (more like impaled) this weekend on my swamper radial, but any tire
 would have been cut in the curcumstances.
 David
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 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:17:04 -0400
 From: "Ron Stead"  Subject: Rear End Leak.
 I recently replaced the u-joints on my rear drive shaft because it was
 severly worn.  I guess with all the vibrations it has now caused a minor
 leak from the rear end.  The leak appears to be coming from the pumpkin
 somewhere but I can't identify exactly where.  Does anyone know what seals
 are in this area, and how difficult are they to replace.  Do they make any
 leak stopper type fluid  for the rear-end like they do for automatic
 transmissions, etc ??  The leak is minor, several drips a day, but an
 eyesore in my driveway.  Any comments or suggestions out there.  How many
 bannana job is it to replace any of these seals in this area???  Could it
 be coming from anywhere else but from a seal area? Any help or comments are
 appreciated ??
 Thanks,
 Ron Stead
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 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 06:48:23 -0600 (MDT)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: ARB in an IFS> I know of one 98 hilux up here that was expected to get a 8" front> pumpkin into the IFS.  Reason was to get a ome locker into it.  It's a> goverment truck, and a automatic locker in the front was therefore not> an option.  More I do not know, if they succseded I do not know either.>> If the IFS axle shafts fits into the 8" pumpkin, there should not be any> problems building one of those units.>>>> I have a spare 8" Toyota, but if I go through all that, I'll>> probably just>>>  swap to a solid axle.>>>> Again, this would make a diff that is too long due to the desigh of>> the>> housing (sloped sides down to tube).  You need  something like a 30 or>> 44 diff>> that is relatively narrow to allow for fitment of the flanges for>> attaching>> the CV's.>> Now I think I am gonna have to build one.  I am gonna go take some>> measurements right now.>> The Dana axles are tough to work into an IFS design because of the tube
 supports that are cast into the center; they make it unneccessarily wide
 because of the load they're expected to support.
 There is an IRS Corvette D44 rear out there, though.... :)
 As for the Toy 8", it'd be easier to narrow down an eariler (pre-'86)
 housing, since the triangulation of the center isn't as large.  The '86
 up rears are stronger, wider, and have much better center support (worse
 for IFS conversion) than the earlier ones.
 With mine, I used an early-70's 9" Ford, because it didn't have all the
 big triangular reinforcement that the later ones have.
 And the IFS axle shafts won't fit the 8" pumpkin; you'll have to get
 new axles made for whatever you use (unless you use a Corvette D44)
 Another option is to buy a pre-narrowed hotrod rearend, but I only know
 of one company (with only three variants available) that makes such
 items, and will sell just the pumpkin.  The company is CWI (Concours
 West Industries) and I don't have their phone number handy.  The only
 available diffs are the 9", the Ford QuickChange (you don't want one
 of these; they're about as tall as a Corp. 14-bolt, and longer front
 to back than anything shy of a Rockwell) and a Jag rear (which probably
 doesn't have quite the strength or aftermarket support that the 9" has)
 Along those lines, when I last checked with them, almost two years ago,
 they wanted $1700 for a 9" case and shafts, no carrier, third member,
 or guts included.  31-spline, though, and everything else was stock
 Ford.
 - --scott
 Scott Ellinger   ellinger@holly.colostate.edu   Larimer County 4WD Club
 Visit my Home Page: http://holly.colostate.edu/~ellinger
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 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 07:00:02 -0600 (MDT)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: miscellaneous ramblings... (suspension)> As far as a strong enough spring...> I can't remember the vehicle (will be looking though) but, there> was a dump truck variant I saw with coils... since they can go 20-40> tons... I believe that that type of spring would be more than strong> enough... i'll look for something smaller though.> In a compression or tension coil?
 I know I can find a really strong compression coil, and that in a way,
 a compression coil can be "made into" a tension coil, but that gets
 pretty complex to rig the mechanicals of it.
 - --scott
 Scott Ellinger   ellinger@holly.colostate.edu   Larimer County 4WD Club
 Visit my Home Page: http://holly.colostate.edu/~ellinger
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 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:06:55 EDT
 From: DRM033@aol.com
 Subject: Re: ARB in an IFS
 In a message dated 9/23/98 7:52:18 AM Central Daylight Time,
 ellinger@HOLLY.COLOSTATE.EDU writes:> The Dana axles are tough to work into an IFS design because of the tube>  supports that are cast into the center; they make it unneccessarily wide>  because of the load they're expected to support.
 that is why I suggested the Dana 30.  As you say most have the pass. side
 perch cast into the housing, making it quite wide.  The 30 does not have this,
 and is within an inch or so of the width of the Toy 7.5" diff.
 David
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 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:07:38 -0500 (CDT)
 From: Brian Wiencek  Subject: Re: Clearence sale...>> For sale:  ... front & rear set of 456:1 gears (about 3,000 mi on them) ...>> Wonder how long it takes to go 3000 miles with that kind of gearing?  I'm> guessing about 10,000 hours!
 Nope - he's just got that new Over-over-over drive transmission (3 marlin
 4.70 boxes mounted backwards! ;-)
 - - Brian
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 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 07:12:12 -0600 (MDT)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: ARB in an IFS> No, but Marlin had talked to him about it.  From what Marlin described, the> 8" diff wasn't in there very well.  It leaked oil and had a make-it-work> setup.  Maybe the guy was being hard on his work - like the rest of us.  I'm> sure it can be done, but I like the way Scott built the mounts for his Ford> 9".  That's probably how I'd do an 8".  There still isn't much clearance> between the diff and the oil pan unless you have lowered the front diff.> You could just have the diff a little lower with a meaty skid plate.
 With a 4" lift and a V8, I fit an IFS 9" between the skid plate and the oil
 pan.  Barely, but I know there's more room with a Toy 4x4 oil pan than a
 Ford pan (Ford didn't intend the Mustang, Cougar, or Crown Vic to run front
 diffs... :) ) in there.
 My mounts are actually more of a "make it work" item that ended up working
 better than I expected.  So I've just left them alone; I know I *can* make
 a better mount, but for the time, cost, and headache involved, why change
 something that works pretty well already?>> has anyone talked to the guy who lives in colorado, and appeared twice in> 'four wheeler' mag, first with an 8" toy pumpkin adapted to an IFS with an> ARB.  then a few month later, he appeared with a coil sprung solid swap,> again with an ARB, for the front.>> this guy seems to know HOW TO DO IT...> I talked to him in Denver a year or so ago; he swapped to the coil sprung
 straight axle front end (it's really nice, and way custom) for travel.
 I don't recall who he said did the work on it.
 But remember, how to do it depends heavily on what you want to do, and in
 this kind of swap, even more on how much money you want to throw at it.
 - --scott
 Scott Ellinger   ellinger@holly.colostate.edu   Larimer County 4WD Club
 Visit my Home Page: http://holly.colostate.edu/~ellinger
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 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:15:42 -0400
 From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
 Subject: Tranny Removal
 John had the tranny problem:
 Luke wrote:
 We dropped the tranny....
 we couldn't hold the flywheel in place to use the breaker bar...
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 Here's the easy way to do it.
 Plan a wheelin trip.
 Invite Ed (me) and Agustinus.
 Make sure he brings DiDi (sp?)
 Tell Ed to bring the SSTs
 Suffer a breakdown on the trail
 Have the clutch put in at camp...
 In all seriousness...
 To get the flywheel out> easy way - call Eastwood tools and get a
 flywheel turner $12.99
 1-800-345-1178
 (Not my favorite tool shop - but they
 are 5 miles from work..)> get a "pry bar" - the kind that has a slight
 bend in one end and has a "chisel" on the
 same end. Using a floor stand (not the one
 that is holding the truck up!) wedge
 the pry bar and the stand in such a way that
 the chisel end engages one of the ring gear
 teeth and turning the flywheel wedges the
 pry bar tighter. Use the 1/2" breaker on the
 flywheel bolts and lean...
 To answer Luke's point about the lack of a need for
 a "tranny jack" - I do my tranny R&R solo....
 So I need a tranny jack.
 The hardest part (now Ive got it down to about 30 min
 of swearing) is getting the tranny seated when you are
 working on it solo.
 The current trick is
 use a bottle jack (the OEM jack works, but I have this
 weird "scisior" platform jack) and some 4x4 posts cut
 to 2 foot lenghts and stacked under the engine - use the
 jack to "maintain" the tip angle of the engine when you
 removed the tranny.
 Use the tranny jack to hold the tranny at a certain "level"
 Use a floor jack on the xfer case to "tip" the tranny at
 different angles.
 Get the tranny to the proper level so that the input
 shaft can enter the pressure plate.
 Use the floor jack to tip the tranny to the angle necessary
 to get the tranny "in".
 Here's the hard part - when the tranny goes in and goes
 in properly - the "splash shield" will not have any "slack"
 in it. You should be able to "rap" on it and is should
 sound solid. If the spash shield "rattles" - the tranny is
 not in.
 DO NOT - DO NOT - DO NOT get the idea that
 "I can drive it home by inserting the bolts and pulling
 it in to the engine" - unless you like stripped threads
 in your engine block.
 So - using the floor jack (the nice kind that allow you
 to release the pressure by twisting the handle are
 really handy here) wiggle the tranny at various angles
 until it sinks in - all the way..
 (put in two bolts by hand - finger tight - just it case
 it decides to "run away" and then take a BREAK - whew!)
 For those of us who justify doing the work ourselves with
 "It will cost $600 in labor to have a reputable shop
 do the work so that means I get to spend $600 on tools" -
 this has lead to a garage full of tools...
 EWong
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 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:20:51 -0000
 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?500_T=D6LV_R=FAnar_Sigurj=F3nsson?=  Subject: RE: ARB in an IFS> There is an IRS Corvette D44 rear out there, though.... :)> There is also a Ford Twin Traction Beam out there somewhere....> As for the Toy 8", it'd be easier to narrow down an eariler (pre-'86)> housing, since the triangulation of the center isn't as large.  The> '86> up rears are stronger, wider, and have much better center support> (worse> for IFS conversion) than the earlier ones.> ?????
 I don't know what axle they planed to use (or used).. NO I do know.  The
 diff was one with a Electric locker so the diff would have been a late
 model ('88 or newer) rear end.  As to housing, Who knows,  it might be
 more or less custom, but I bet they used some late model front live axle
 housing.
 The guys that where doing this are the same that created the 9,5" front
 axle for the 80-series Arctic Cruisers.  Those used the 80-series rear
 locking diff, and the original 80-series front hubs, and I assume they
 used modified 60-series housing...! (and completly custom tie-rod)
 Cheers,
 Runar
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 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:19:38 -0400
 From: "Karl Bellve, Ph.D."  Subject: Ford 5.0 oil pans in a Toyota (was Re: ARB in an IFS)
 Scott Ellinger wrote:>>> No, but Marlin had talked to him about it.  From what Marlin described, the>> 8" diff wasn't in there very well.  It leaked oil and had a make-it-work>> setup.  Maybe the guy was being hard on his work - like the rest of us.  I'm>> sure it can be done, but I like the way Scott built the mounts for his Ford>> 9".  That's probably how I'd do an 8".  There still isn't much clearance>> between the diff and the oil pan unless you have lowered the front diff.>> You could just have the diff a little lower with a meaty skid plate.>> With a 4" lift and a V8, I fit an IFS 9" between the skid plate and the oil> pan.  Barely, but I know there's more room with a Toy 4x4 oil pan than a> Ford pan (Ford didn't intend the Mustang, Cougar, or Crown Vic to run front> diffs... :) ) in there.
 Scott, why don't you switch to a Explorer pan? I believe that pan is
 different than the mustang/cougar/crown vic pans.
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 Cheers,
 Karl Bellve, Ph.D.                   ICQ# 13956200
 Biomedical Imaging Group               IM: kbellve
 University of Massachusetts
 Email: kdb@molmed.ummed.edu
 Phone: (508) 856-6514
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 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:23:04 -0400
 From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
 Subject: Electronic Speedo
 Those who have the mecahnical speedo can just disconnect it if they dont
 want to record the mileage. O course you have to plug the holes to keep the
 "gack" outta the tranny and cable.
 On the electronic speedos - I heard that you can simply unplug the odo
 with no ill effects (owner who did this had leased the truck and didnt
 want to go over the annual limit). The plug is out by the tranny.
 The source is reliable - but I will not reveal my sources (this is a public
 journal is it not - so I am protected uner the first amendment?)
 EWong
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 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:24:58 -0500
 From: "Lance Morin"  Subject: Re: Subject: 18R-GR Engine Information
 Thanks for the information Jeff.  I was finally able to get some more
 information from the previous owner at our club meeting last night.  The
 engine did indeed come from the "gray market" that you speak of.  I don't
 think that I'll eve get details, but hopefully I'll be able to find parts. I
 don't mind having a different engine in there, but I'd like to have some
 sources when it does require some repair. One day, a 22R might replace it,
 but only if I have no other logical options. The engine runs fine now, I
 just want to keep it that way.
 Lance M. (FWD-FWD)
 lance@fwd-fwd.org
 ------------------------------>Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:41:32 -0800>From: Jeff Moskovitz >Subject: Re: Subject: 18R-GR Engine Information>>The 18R-G was never relased in the US in a production vehicle, although>it was installed in a variety of vehicles (mostly Celicas, as far as I>know) in Asia and Europe. Most of the 18R-Gs in the US have come in>through the gray market and through foreign parts specialty houses, like>Toysport.>>In fact, Toysport ( http://www.toysport.com/ ) is probably the best>source of small parts info for this engine that I'm familiar with.
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 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:26:51 -0400
 From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
 Subject: Tire Chirp
 Jimmy Tom sez he can chirp the tires with a Detroit...
 I do the same thing with a TruTrac.
 The Rancho Traction bars help too (as well as the new
 300M torsion bars) as the truck now really sticks in
 turns and handles well. Just get on the gas - turn the
 wheel and GO!
 It gets weird stares from everyone else in the rush hour
 "intesection" derby.
 I usually avoid this manouver in front of cars with
 red/blue lights on the roof.
 EWong
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 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:29:53 -0400
 From: "Karl Bellve, Ph.D."  Subject: Tools and OME (was Re: Tranny Removal)
 Ed.Wong@astramerck.com wrote:>>> For those of us who justify doing the work ourselves with> "It will cost $600 in labor to have a reputable shop> do the work so that means I get to spend $600 on tools" -> this has lead to a garage full of tools...>> EWong> That is exactly my thinking. I rather accumulate tools than pay someone
 else so they could accumulate tools. A few weeks ago, I had to buy a new
 tool and the guy informed me that it was a "loaner" tool and I could get
 my money back if I brought it back with the receipt. I told him he
 better not say that to my wife!
 OME:
 I am still waiting on my OME springs I ordered 2 months ago. I am
 thinking of cancelling that order and going with Alcans. I don't want an
 extreme lift (2-3inches is fine) but I want flexibility. Having the
 front axle move forward an inch with the Alcans sounds real nice. It
 might allow me to fit 32-33inch tires on a smaller lift (I run 31" with
 a stock suspension). I might have to call Rocky Mountain and talk to
 them if I don't get a response back from Glenn Wakefield (Summit
 Off-road) about my OME order.
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 Cheers,
 Karl Bellve, Ph.D.                   ICQ# 13956200
 Biomedical Imaging Group               IM: kbellve
 University of Massachusetts
 Email: kdb@molmed.ummed.edu
 Phone: (508) 856-6514
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 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: variant on the front suspension (where does it come from?)> No, keep the ideas coming... maybe we'll stumble onto a great rockcrawler> that ramps 1000 and still takes the washboard roads at 60.> My 4x4 Trophy Truck idea would be able to do that.  If you contemplate on
 RTI, you can mathematically derive the travel needed (neglecting tire
 squish, or you can factor it in) to ramp 1000.
 FWIW, on a 103" WB truck/4Runner, it's about 36" total travel.  18" per
 end, or 24" in back, and 12" in front.  I think I can do that now, but
 since I'm essentially without front springs, I can't drive it to the ramp
 to find out. :(
 But if you consider that a typical CV joint arrangement can run up to
 30 degrees or so without significant strength reductions, and 45-50 with
 some losses, there is a fair bit of trigonometry involved, but it's
 pretty simple to find the reasonable limits of travel on a CV axle, and
 factored into the width of the axles plus the diff, you've got the width
 of the truck (assuming that you'd use a body to fit your chassis, rather
 than design a suspension around a fairly limiting stock body) pretty
 closely.
 Spring rates are a factor of weight applied and travel available, and
 ride height is almost totally irrelevant.  Tire size is related to the
 body (and how much cutting/sculpting you can do) much more than the
 suspension, and it all works together eventually.
 Back to the thought that we can create a great rockcrawler and fire
 road cruiser in one, I'd already have it, if I could afford the front
 springs.  But you can get really close with a few pretty simple parts
 and changes... want the formula?  I think I've posted it before, but
 here goes...
 Keep in mind, this is my vision for the ultimate econo-Toy build;
 I'm leaving off all the wierdo fabrication stuff that nobody but me
 produces, because I don't sell parts (yet)
 Engine: stock.  It's cheaper and easier, plus more reliable.
 Transmission: stock.
 Transfer case: 4.7 geared, single case (IMHO)
 Axles: stock, 5.29's.  Lockright up front, Detroit (or ARB) rear.
 Body mods: 'glass front fenders, cut out rear to clear 35's if needed
 Optional 1-2" body lift; it'll help a lot.
 Tires: 35's (maybe 36's)
 Rear suspension: full-arch National or Skyjacker springs, U-bolt flip
 with 14-inch travel 9000's mounted above the springs.  Recommended
 top-of-diff traction link.
 Optional unreinforced shackles.
 Front suspension: Trailmaster/Procomp Stage I off the shelf.  Remove
 the bottom-out bump stop spacers, replace with 2x3 box tube instead
 of supplied 2x4.  Use low-pro poly stops all around.  Add a 1/4"
 upper ball joint spacer (or Rancho arms) to allow more travel.
 Front halfshafts: stock will work.  930 inner CV's are a good idea.
 Full belly pan.
 There's a little fabrication involved here: the bump stop spacers,
 rear shock mounts, and ball joint spacers all have to be fabbed, but
 they're easy (and I may start producing them myself anyway) and
 pretty cheap.
 Cost involved?  One '86-95 truck or 4Runner (but I don't know how to
 build a coil sprung 4Runner rear; can't be too hard... :) ) plus...
 $1k transfer case gearing
 2k gears and lockers
 1k lift(s), fenders
 1k wheels/tires (steel wheels, I suggest 15x8's)
 1k misc more parts (930 shafts, rear springs, fab parts, etc.)
 So, starting with a $4k truck, you could be 'wheeling pretty hard
 with a $10k investment, running washboard, rocks, jumps, etc.
 Granted, a winch would be really nice, as would a rollcage, some
 lights, maybe some nerf bars.... :)
 I've tried to guesstimate the costs pretty accurately; where I
 wasn't sure, I rounded up.
 Incidentally, this setup is good for about ten inches of front
 wheel travel, somewhere approaching 18-20 of rear, a nice even
 foot or so of running ground clearance, and an impressively soft
 ride.
 Oh... wait a sec... I forgot the most important expense in the
 whole buildup... a $20-50 membership in your local club, depending
 on dues.  Make sure to get this going *first*  :)
 - --scott
 Scott Ellinger   ellinger@holly.colostate.edu   Larimer County 4WD Club
 Visit my Home Page: http://holly.colostate.edu/~ellinger
 '86 Toy pickup body, Ford 5.0, GMC NV4500, "slightly altered" RKSTMPR
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 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 07:57:18 -0600 (MDT)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: Ford 5.0 oil pans in a Toyota (was Re: ARB in an IFS)> Scott, why don't you switch to a Explorer pan? I believe that pan is> different than the mustang/cougar/crown vic pans.> Probably, but it costs money.  My nice old dented Crown Vic pan is
 already on there.
 A future swap will likely entail a 351W, possibly with an Explorer pan
 if need be.
 Knowing that the Explorer pan is different, does anyone know what the
 clearance issues might be between it and a stock Toy diff?  I can more
 or less base dimensions off of stock Toy stuff, if need be...
 - --scott
 Scott Ellinger   ellinger@holly.colostate.edu   Larimer County 4WD Club
 Visit my Home Page: http://holly.colostate.edu/~ellinger
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 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 00:34:50 EST
 From: "james stevenson"  Subject: Re: IFS lifts>Actually, at that point, it's nearly the same cost, and easier, to just
 throw the whole frame out (James Stevenson, where are you?)
 Sorry all, I'm off wheeling in the OZ outback so am heaps behind. Will
 be back home late this week. I am just outside Kununurra, in the
 Northern Territory at the moment. That about 3000Km or so north west of
 Sydney. Getting kinda sick of ?lady with boat? and XXXX beer (four x is
 actually the brand name). Will explain ?lady with Boat? off the list for
 those who want to know. Haven?t posted much because the Sat phone costs
 heaps to use and is only 9600bps for data.
 Anyway going back to centring the pumpkin. I did it on TT3 by reworking
 the pickup Tcase. I have made a casting for a new rear section of the
 Tcase. This is internally the same but has the front output shaft inline
 with the rear output shaft (rotated the back housing). This only really
 works with a new frame built from the Tcase out, which is where I
 started. I've been testing a race truck and must say prefer TT3, than
 again had to build the race truck to more rules.
 I also have with me a pickup with a double shackle front end. Did this
 really quick before leaving but very simple. Added a set of rear shackle
 hangers below the frame under the stock front shackle mount. Then made a
 shackle for the other end of the spring that uses the stock fixed eye
 mount. To stop the unit collapsing the shackles made a pair of radius
 arms attached to the stock shackle hanger in the frame.
 On another note had a couple of LC100's delivered this week. Will be
 starting on a pair of LC100 pickup's. One will have coils while the
 other will have leafs. Basically keeping the some of the body and back
 axles, building the rest from scratch including a new frame. As for the
 next step on TT3, have to work out a redesign on the frame. While it
 works perfectly well the current frame will not pass impact standards.
 IE will not allow you to be trapped in the wreckage, so have to design
 one that does and get the bank to cough up more R&D money.
 James Stevenson (TonkaTuf)
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 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:52:32 -0400
 From: "purnrgy"  Subject: 85xtra/tires
 Whats the largest size tire that will fit under an 85 xtra cab with 3" body
 lift and fender trimming?
 Jimmyz 82 "Mudtoy" /85 xtra "Project"
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 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:27:41 -0500
 From: "Edward C. Fisher"  Subject: smog pump
 Barney:
 This may be late but I'll post anyway.  My 79 20r smog pump hung up twice
 while I owned it.  The truck had ~156,000 miles on it.  I simply removed the
 pump, and 'forced' the pully back and forth slowly with channel locks.  As I
 recall I loosened the housing too and gently tapped the casing to dislodge
 carbon 'stuff'.  Tapping and working the pulley in both directions loosened
 a lot of black sooty stuff and after about 10 minutes or so, tapping,
 working the pulley, and emptying the soot, the pulley freed up and would
 easily spin in one direction or the other 360 degrees.  It was a little time
 consuming, but a cheap fix.  Hope this helps.
 Ed Fisher
 edwd@ti.com
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 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:32:55 -0700
 From: Ken Emanuel  Subject: Re: electronic speedos
 At 12:58 AM 9/23/98 -0400, you wrote:>How do I tell if my 91 4 Runner is electronic?  I know it has a conventional>spedo cable from the tranny.  How far off would my spedo be (aprox) going>from 225/60/15's stock to 31x10.5x15?  Has anybody with larger than stock>tires ever bothered with the spedo?>> What year did Toyota replace the speedo cable with an electronic speed>> sensor?  1992?
 Okay, settled.  It was 1992.  Next question, can the electronic speed
 sensors be recalibrated or reprogramed to adjust the speedo for a tire size
 change?
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 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:37:41 -0700
 From: Ken Emanuel  Subject: OBD I  ???
 I noticed the emissions sticker on my '94 truck reads "OBD I certified."
 Does anyone know anything about OBD I?  OBD II has a reputation of saving
 error codes in the ECU as a result of tire size changes, engine mods, etc.,
 although I haven't really heard of any problems to date.
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 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:45:58 -0700
 From: "Jay Kopycinski"  Subject: U-bolt flip
 Kevin Burk wrote:>I want to flip my u-bolts so they don't hang below the axle anymore.>I know I can take a piece of 3/4" plate and drill holes in it, but>what do I use for the u-bolts?  Where do I go to find them and what>diameter is the axle tube there?  Thanks.
 I used 3/8" top plates on my rear. You can buy custom u-bolts at some
 4x4 shops and most leaf spring shops. As far as axle tube diameter, I
 don't recall what mine is, but it's easy to measure.
 Jay Kopycinski     '85 Toylet   (ROKTOY)
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 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:44:55 -0700
 From: Steve Harron  Subject: Cams for 3VZE> -----Original Message-----> From:	owner-toy4x4@tlca.org [SMTP:owner-toy4x4@tlca.org]> Sent:	Tuesday, September 22, 1998 3:56 PM> To:	toy4x4-digest@moab.off-road.com> Subject:	Toyota 4x4 digest: V2 #95>> [Steve Harron]  I met this guy in Torrance, CA that does all
 kinds of performance work on 4Runners.  I believe he had cams for the
 3VZE.  His name is Tim.  562-867-6336> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:06:17 -0700> From: Andy Ramm> Subject: TRD Cams for 3VZE?>> Did TRD ever make cams for the 3VZE engine?  Anybody know of any> aftermarket 3VZE cams?>> Thanks,>> Andy>> ============================================================================
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 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:49:01 -0400
 From: adickenson@kpmg.com
 Subject: Re[2]: 31 x 10.5's on a 4-runner with factory 225/60/15's>Aparently Pro-Comp sells the bracket, but at the time I was putting>together the 'parts' list I didn't have pro-comp's tel or a part>number (still don't).>Bernie H>ICQ# 394598>mailto:bernieh@home.com
 Yeah, I've called Pro-Comp.  They want like $48 for it.  I would've
 paid $20, but $48 for a bracket like that one is ridiculous.  I'm just
 gonna have one fabbed at a machine shop probably.
 Allen D.
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