Toyota 4x4 digest:       Thursday, April 1 1999       Volume 02 : Number 326
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 22-RE makes lots of noise
 Re: R.E. I'm Back
 Is IFS better?
 Re: Is IFS better?
 Re: Toyota 4x4 digest: V2 #321
 [none]
 DISEL ENGINE SWAP!
 FUEL & 4 RUNNERs
 454????? in a toy????
 RE: 96 4Runner sway
 Gear; Suspension; and V8
 Rear Oil Seal
 RE: Is IFS better?
 Re: DISEL ENGINE SWAP!
 Re: Is IFS better?
 Re: Radiator Leak
 Re: DISEL ENGINE SWAP!
 Re: Is IFS better?
 Newest member of this club!!
 Re:radiator leak
 April Fools on us (was Re: Is IFS better?)
 Driving Gas Prices Down!  I'm all for it!!
 96 4Runner sway
 Re: Alternator
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 need suggestions
 RE: need suggestions
 RE: 96 4Runner sway
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 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:08:11 -0700
 From: "David Eggleston"  Subject: Re: 3rd Members>This seems like a silly Question to me but I am unsure so I will ask.  Does>the front third member interchange with the rear 3rd member on solid axle>toys?  I have a 81-82 front 3rd member that I am thinking of setting up>with gears and putting it in the back of my 84 4runner. Before I do this I>would greatly appreciate anyone's knowledge on the subject.>> Yes, they are identical and can be easily swapped. Also, the rear diffs from
 IFS (non-Tacoma) trucks are interchangeable as well. The turbo and V-6
 applications are even a bit stronger.
 ==================================
 David Eggleston
 Glendale, CO
 '84 X-Cab: supercharged 283 V-8/TH-350
 toy283@mho.net
 ICQ  11394206
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 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:09:25 -0800 (PST)
 From: TrailDogg@webtv.net (~Trail Dogg~)
 Subject: Re: 3rd Members
 yes.
 Darren/SeaBass
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 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:19:34 -0600
 From: "Todd B DeMerchant"  Subject: Re: 3rd Members
 My understanding is that it is not a problem.
 Does>the front third member interchange with the rear 3rd member on solid axle>toys?  I have a 81-82 front 3rd member that I am thinking of setting up>with gears and putting it in the back of my 84 4runner. Before I do this I>would greatly appreciate anyone's knowledge on the subject.> ------------------------------
 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:34:13 -0800
 From: Someone  Subject: High Compression
 Hi All!
 I have a 90 extra cab with a 22re and 130,000 miles on it.  I'm getting ready to have the head redone since it's time for a new timing chain.  While getting things in order I did a compression check and I'm kinda concerned here's the numbers:
 Cyl. 1  =  223 psi
 Cyl. 2  =  220 psi
 Cyl. 3  =  223 psi
 Cyl. 4  =  220 psi.
 Reading the Toy Service manual the compression should be around 175 psi.
 Does anyone know why the compression is so high?
 While I have the engine down I'm putting in a LC Engineering Header and their Exhaust System, LC's oil pump, TRD Cam the smog legal one, and last but not least the DOA timing chain.
 Thanks
 Tommy   abears@teleport.com
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 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:43:51 -0600
 From: Michael Woodruff  Subject: RE compression
 I just did the timing chain deal and had a valve job done while the head was
 off.  Before the R&R  compression was 175 across the board.  I figured this
 was due to carbon (which I scraped off the pistons....a fair amount, but not
 excessive.)  Well, I checked it again after I finished the engine
 work...still dead on at 175. This is a 22re with 130,000 miles.  The motor
 had never been opened before.
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 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:55:45 -0800
 From: "J.R. Juiliano"  Subject: RE:  CB's
 I don't really know what you are planning on using this particular CB for,
 but if you plan on keeping it in the truck for road trips and/or
 emergencies, I would get something more permanent.  I would also spend the
 money to get a good radio AND a good antenna.  Buying a really good radio
 is useless without a good magnet- or hard-mount antenna.
 For the radio, I recommend either the Cobra 148GTL or Uniden Grant XL.
 Same radio part for part aside from the face plate.  The other one to
 check on is the Uniden 122XL, if they still make them.  All have AM/SSB in
 them.  And of course (by law), you get 4 watts in A.M. and 10-12 watts in
 single side-band.
 For an antenna, either hard-mount or magnetic-mount, I would go with the
 Wilson 1000 or the K40.  Both are good antennas.  The K40 should be a
 little cheaper in $$.
 Oh, and I personally think the weather channel idea on a CB radio is
 useless...  But then again, I used to have a Uniden Bearcat scanner in my
 truck too!
 Hope that helps.
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 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:46:55 +0000
 From: snowjoel  Subject: CB's
 I'm sure that most of you on here have CB's,  and am thinking of getting
 one.  What brand do you guys recommend?  Are the weather channels worth
 it?  I was thinking of getting a Uniden hand held,  that can be used
 walkie talkie style or can be plugged into the cigarette lighter,  and a
 truck mounted antenna.  I am also looking at that new hand held Cobra
 that stays wired to the truck at all times.
 Thanks for any advice,
 Joel
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 00:09:00 EST
 From: Dirty4Runr@aol.com
 Subject: 22-RE makes lots of noise
 Its a ping thing mostly.  Accelerating, up a hill or not, that thing knocks
 like a mother.  Ive tried 87, 89, 92 oct gas, with no difference.  Could my
 distributor be advanced a little to much (it should be set straight up right
 now, i haven't changed the ignition timing at all)  Anybody elses 22-RE do
 this?  Or, do i just have a grenade on my hands?
 Kevin
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 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:09:53 -0800
 From: "Sandy and Terry"  Subject: Re: R.E. I'm Back>>>Welcome back to the list.  Ready to do a little wheeling?>>>Is the sky blue?>>Not where Terry lives.    Don't worry though, air quality isn't that much>better up here Terry.   :-(> I love my little town.  Of course I don't have it as bad as Scott and Roger.
 : )
 Terry Johnson
 '89 XCab V6 SR5
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 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 00:08:11 -0700
 From: "Jay Kopycinski"  Subject: Is IFS better?
 Forwarding this..............
 TOKYO, JAPAN    Toyota Corporation announced today that it has
 put forth efforts to satisfy complaints by some U.S. owners that
 purchased its 1985 4WD truck models. 1985 was the final year in
 which Toyota offered what is termed a live front axle in its 4WD
 truck line. For the 1986 model year, the auto maker upgraded the
 front suspension to a fully independent torsion bar suspension.
 This type suspension is considered far more technologically
 advanced and offers better performance on rough roads, plus
 excellent comfort during everyday driving.
 Complaints had stemmed from purchasers of 1985 trucks who
 accused Toyota of not notifying them in advance of the newly
 designed suspension set to appear on the 1986 models, despite
 the fact that Toyota knew of the substantial improvements.
 As such, Toyota has agreed to retrofit the newer independent
 suspension system onto any 1985 model truck that is still in possession
 of the original owner who purchased it new in 1985. Owners of such
 trucks should contact their local Toyota dealer for more information,
 and to determine if they qualify for the conversion upgrade from the
 live axle to independent suspension.
 Jay Kopycinski   '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)
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 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:19:44 -0800
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Re: Is IFS better?
 Jay Kopycinski wrote:
>    As such, Toyota has agreed to retrofit the newer independent> suspension system onto any 1985 model truck that is still in possession> of the original owner who purchased it new in 1985. Owners of such> trucks should contact their local Toyota dealer for more information,> and to determine if they qualify for the conversion upgrade from the> live axle to independent suspension.
 I wonder if I complain enough about my LACK OF CHOICE for my 88 V6, if I
 can get them to retrofit an 85 straight axle for me  :-)
 Scott
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 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 00:28:41 -0700
 From: "Timothy Jacks"  Subject: Re: Toyota 4x4 digest: V2 #321
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 Timothy Jacks  - ---------->From: owner-toy4x4@tlca.org (Toyota 4x4 digest:)>To: toy4x4-digest@moab.off-road.com>Subject: Toyota 4x4 digest: V2 #321>Date: Mon, Mar 29, 1999, 4:33 PM>>> Date: 29 Mar 99 16:29:18 MST> From: Robert Garrett > Subject: Sunroof not working>> My 90 4runner's sunroof started not closing all the way last week. This last> weekend it stopped completely. I can hear the motor running when I press the> switch, but nothing happens. I can slide the glass by hand without any> problem, though.>> Anyone ran into this before? Any suggestions appreciated.>> Bob Garrett> N5UOU@usa.net>> My 90  4runner did the same thing, I managed to fix it myself and save alot> of money. The local Totota dealer wanted $600. to fix it.  The parts alone> were around $260 I think. I fixed mine for under $5 and it still works> great a year later.>> First remove the entire sunroof bty removing the 2 bolts that hold the> motor in under the switch.  Then remove the screws that you can see at the> front of the sunroof when you open it and stand through it, There may be 2> on the sides also.  Also there are 2 bolts that are inside the head liner> reachable by pulling the molding around the sunroof loose.>> The whole unit will lift out and slide forward and out.> Lay it in the back of your truck remove the 2 clips on the end of the> tracks, slide the roof out and  tou will see the broken clips.>> Drill out the pins in the slider/hinge assembly that is broken loose from> the cable end. I then used the smallest drill bit I have and drilled 8> holes at an angle to keep from hitting the inside of the clip that rides in> the track so I could sew the cable back to the clip.>> .  Then you have to break the remaining plastic out or the end of the cable> with a pliers.  Next line the clip up on the cable and wrap it with fine> high strength wire through the holes and into the grooves in the cable like> sewing.  I also soldered over the wire when I was done.>  Put it back together with some good lube and replace the drilled out hinge> pins with small screws and nuts and you are ready for the other side.> Good luck>>> Tim Jacks> '90 4Runner            32,s     4"Lift> ____________________________________________________________________> Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1
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 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 06:40:45 -0500
 From: Chris Knight  Subject: [none]
 Name: Chris Knight
 City & State:Duncan,SC
 Country:US
 E-mail address: Ckhone@mindspring.com
 Toyota (s) year & model:1985 P/U ex cab
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?):No
 Age:25
 Occupation:Technician(SAAB)
 Marital Status:Married
 Hobbies:
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List:Search Engine
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.:Lots of miles,rusted bed, 2in
 suspension lift
 32x11.50 tires, stock 22rec,waiting to get 2nd vehicle running so I can
 take the Toy down
 to the frame and modify from the ground up.
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 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:40:44 -0500
 From: kurt  m steiger  Subject: DISEL ENGINE SWAP!
 I just happpen to find a company here in atlanta that does japanese
 engine ordering straight from the island.  I'm not really sure who was
 looking for the info on the swap but if it helps you @ all the PHONE # is
 (770)455-1393
 maybee they can help you out.  A guy that i work w/ says that because of
 the tight emissions in japan (he lived there)ther are perfecrly good
 motors that dont pass the test and they are sold over sees to people in
 USA.  ok im done
 HOPE IT HELPED
 Kurt Steiger
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 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:36:31 -0500
 From: kurt  m steiger  Subject: FUEL & 4 RUNNERs
 FIRST of all you really cant complain about fuel costs  U have to have
 the stuff it is like water .  AND im not on a soap box BUT i'm only
 paying 85cents a gallon for gas here in georgia.
 My question was about a 4 runner i found in an auto trader  it is a 96
 going for 15,000 say low miles is it possible you all think it might be 2
 wd.  any way i'm in the market for a 4 runner (MY WIFE GAVE IN AFTER THE
 92 TRUCK HIT 131000 miles last week OH I GET TO KEEP THE TRUCK ALSO).
 AND i'm still looking for a bumper and valance for my 92 truck.  HELP
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 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:59:42 -0500
 From: Paul Freer  Subject: 454????? in a toy????
 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:11:51 +0300
 From: "Tim Grueninger"  Subject: [none]
in it, turbo 400, 205 x-fer case, Dana 60 front end, Corp. 14 bolt
 back,>detroits front & rear, 5.13 gears, cut out the fender wells, put 39.5"
 or>44" boggers on it, (not into show, just go, I want to use the thing on
 the>trail) and then hit the trail? If anyone has seen a truck like the one
 I>have described, or have any suggestions on the buildup, with the 454
 and>stuff in it, send suggestions or pictures to my e-mail address, Tim ,>matt.thmf@zajil.net  Also I was interested if anyone knows of a toy.
 club>around Phoenix, or contacts of toy owners around Phoenix.
 I have never even heard of such a thing.  I'd say if you were going to
 do that, just go buy a 3/4 ton Chevy and figure out how to drop the body
 onto it.  The one major problem I'd see is you'd have to remove a huge
 amount of the front clip to get it even coming close to fitting.  Count
 on hacking out the firewall too.  Don't even know how you'd start to
 rout the exhaust, my small block exhaust just clears the frame rails by
 1/2"  Small blocks are more the way to go if your looking for more hp.
 You always can get 350-400 hp out of a small block.  The Toyota
 drivetrain can take it if your an experienced driver, and are not
 purposefully hammering on it.  Even with smallblocks you have a fit
 problem.  Cooling is another challenge, with a big block you'd have to
 pretty much remove the front piece that holds the headlights to clear
 the radiator.  Not a good situation, pretty soon your truck looks like
 swiss cheese.
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:01:48 -0500
 From: "Ken Flesher"  Subject: RE: 96 4Runner sway> We have a stock '96 4Runner which handles like a pig on a twisty road> (excessive sway).  Our '90 pickup has no problem.  Is there a cheap> alternative?  Stiffer shocks?  I was thinking of an upgraded sway bar> if aftermarket shocks don't work.
 Jim:
 Put some poly bushings on the swaybars, at least. I only did my front (so
 far, hoping to do the rear this weekend), and was amazed at the difference.
 Like Ken Fong says, get the black "graphite impregnated" ones, they don't
 squeak. I ordered my Energy Suspension sets from 4WPW, $20 does each
 swaybar.
 - -KLF
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 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:09:15 +0000
 From: "DRAINVILLE, Michel"  Subject: Gear; Suspension; and V8
 Hello list.
 I need some info for a future project.
 Here they are:
 1. Does a set of gear from a 1986 8" differential
 (4cyl NA 5sp) will fit the following application.
 (rear diff).
 And about a Detroit locker?
 Gear		Detroit
 yes	no	yes	no
 1990 4Runer 4cyl		x		x
 1990 4Runner 6cyl 5spd
 1990 4Runner 6cyl Auto
 2. Does Toyota make a 90 degree V8?
 If yes, in what kind of car or truck? What is the HP?
 Have they been installed in 4X4 already?
 3.  Does someone have the instruction sheets for a TrailMaster IFS
 kit for a 2nd generation 4Runner and would be kind enough to send
 me a copy (mail, fax or e-mail)?
 The reason is that I bought a second hand kit for a pick up and I
 need to make drop brackets for the rear arms and I would like to
 make them as close as possible to the original ones.
 (contact me at my e-mail adress for more info please)
 Thanks
 Mike
 Toyota SR5 1986; solid axle, 8"lift, 36"swampers,
 Detroit locker, 4.88 gears, Buick V6, TH350.
 See it at: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/features/toy86.html
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 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:22:40 -0500
 From: "Rainer, Robert"  Subject: Rear Oil Seal
 The read oil seal is placed in from the front towards the back of the
 rear oil plate.  I did not test to see if it would pass all the way
 through the rear oil plate, but there did seem to be some resistance the
 more the seal moved towards the back of the plate.  I did not see a
 bevel to the seal either to suggest it could not go the other way.
 I went through two seals.  The first one I tried to use a screw driver
 to put the seal in since I did not have the SST.  Needless to say that
 was another dumb ass move.  I poked a partial hole in the rubber when
 the tip slipped off the metal.  The next seal I used, I put just a very
 light coat of MP grease around the out side.  The seal went in 75% by
 hand and a peice of wood bridged accross the top of the seal did the
 rest.
 I am sure if there is a will, there is a way, but the seal really felt
 like it went in best from front to back and not from back to front.  I
 do think the only proper way to replace the seal is to drop the oil pan
 and remove the rear plate.  But that is just my opnion since I am
 willing to bet 90% of the rear oil seals that get replaced are done by
 ripping out the old and pounding in the New.
 take care -- rr
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 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:34:24 -0500
 From: "NUNES, ROB"  Subject: RE: Is IFS better?
 Do you think, if I complain about the IFS in my '99 Tacoma, then Toyota will
 convert it over to solid for free?> ----------> From: 	Jay Kopycinski[SMTP:jayk@netzone.com]> Reply To: 	toy4x4@tlca.org> Sent: 	Thursday, April 01, 1999 2:08 AM> To: 	toy4x4@tlca.org> Subject: 	Is IFS better?>> Forwarding this..............>> TOKYO, JAPAN    Toyota Corporation announced today that it has> put forth efforts to satisfy complaints by some U.S. owners that> purchased its 1985 4WD truck models. 1985 was the final year in> which Toyota offered what is termed a live front axle in its 4WD> truck line. For the 1986 model year, the auto maker upgraded the> front suspension to a fully independent torsion bar suspension.> This type suspension is considered far more technologically> advanced and offers better performance on rough roads, plus> excellent comfort during everyday driving.>>    Complaints had stemmed from purchasers of 1985 trucks who> accused Toyota of not notifying them in advance of the newly> designed suspension set to appear on the 1986 models, despite> the fact that Toyota knew of the substantial improvements.>>    As such, Toyota has agreed to retrofit the newer independent> suspension system onto any 1985 model truck that is still in possession> of the original owner who purchased it new in 1985. Owners of such> trucks should contact their local Toyota dealer for more information,> and to determine if they qualify for the conversion upgrade from the> live axle to independent suspension.>>>>> Jay Kopycinski   '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)>> ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 05:44:11 -0800
 From: "Bob"  Subject: Re: DISEL ENGINE SWAP!
 I've come across a few of them.  Most don't import anything unless it's an
 engine already in use here.  They get their engines in bulk from a wholesaler
 in Japan.
 If anyone interested in a bulk purchase, I found a company in Japan who
 ships the diesel by the container.  (I tried to get one, and found that they're
 anly available in bulk.)  I don't know how many is in a container.> I just happpen to find a company here in atlanta that does japanese> engine ordering straight from the island.  I'm not really sure who was> looking for the info on the swap but if it helps you @ all the PHONE # is> (770)455-1393 maybee they can help you out.> Kurt Steiger
 Laters,
 Bob
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 08:56:35 -0500
 From: "Karl Bellve, Ph.D."  Subject: Re: Is IFS better?
 "NUNES, ROB" wrote:>> Do you think, if I complain about the IFS in my '99 Tacoma, then Toyota will> convert it over to solid for free?> Actually, I wonder if they will pay for my Old Man Emu springs. The
 stock suspension was like the axles were welded right to the frame. The
 OME springs were bought to improve the ride and flexibility.
 Actually, I wonder how they are going to swap in IFS? I would guess they
 would swap in a whole frame. I wonder if we can get them to fix all the
 frames that rot from rust...
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 Cheers,
 Karl Bellve, Ph.D.                   ICQ # 13956200
 Biomedical Imaging Group             TLCA# 7938
 University of Massachusetts
 Email: kdb@molmed.ummed.edu
 Phone: (508) 856-6514
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 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 09:05:19 -0500
 From: "Robert Ditusa"  Subject: Re: Radiator Leak
 Damn!! You got me beat!! I got mine last month for $150, with a limited lifetime warranty. I thought that was pretty low.
 RD
 1980 Longbed 20R, Downey Header & Exhaust, 3" lift, 31" muds
 TLCA#6741, UFWDA#1590, Blue Ribbon Coalition Life Member
 Central NC 4x4 Member, NRA Member>>> "C. Andrew Zook"  03/31 7:59 PM>>> I just picked up a brand spanking new radiator from a local radiator shop last week.... Cost me all of $115.
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 09:09:36 -0500
 From: Jack Hart  Subject: Re: DISEL ENGINE SWAP!
 I would be interested in one and a buddy of mine might be as well so thats
 possibly two.. How much for how many? If there cheap enough (wholesale
 should be) heck I would get a couple...
 At 05:44 AM 4/1/99 -0800, Bob wrote:>I've come across a few of them.  Most don't import anything unless it's an>engine already in use here.  They get their engines in bulk from a wholesaler>in Japan.>>If anyone interested in a bulk purchase, I found a company in Japan who>ships the diesel by the container.  (I tried to get one, and found that>they're>anly available in bulk.)  I don't know how many is in a container.
 Jack
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 09:16:52 -0500
 From: "Robert Ditusa"  Subject: Re: Is IFS better?
 So Jay, does this mean that Toyota will also retrofit the more technologically advanced 22RE into your truck for free??   :)
 Couldn't resist!
 RD
 1980 Longbed 20R, Downey Header & Exhaust, 3" lift, 31" muds
 TLCA#6741, UFWDA#1590, Blue Ribbon Coalition Life Member
 Central NC 4x4 Member, NRA Member>>> "Jay Kopycinski"  04/01 2:08 AM>>> As such, Toyota has agreed to retrofit the newer independent
 suspension system onto any 1985 model truck that is still in possession
 of the original owner who purchased it new in 1985. Owners of such
 trucks should contact their local Toyota dealer for more information,
 and to determine if they qualify for the conversion upgrade from the
 live axle to independent suspension.
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 09:30:21 -0500
 From: responses@wn.net
 Subject: Newest member of this club!!
 I know there are lots of people who have far more than I do, but I just
 wanted to
 share in my latest experience with my Toyota...
 Last night, I reached the 200,000 MILE CLUB!!!
 Just wondering who has the most miles on their truck on this list...
 Just curious.
 Have a great april fools everyone!
 Trey
 Boston, MA
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 06:43:28 -0800
 From: "ward"  Subject: Re:radiator leak
 Subject: April Fools on us (was Re: Is IFS better?)
 You got me!
 I believe this until I realized what day it was..
 Jay Kopycinski wrote:>> Forwarding this..............>> TOKYO, JAPAN    Toyota Corporation announced today that it has> put forth efforts to satisfy complaints by some U.S. owners that> purchased its 1985 4WD truck models. 1985 was the final year in> which Toyota offered what is termed a live front axle in its 4WD> truck line. For the 1986 model year, the auto maker upgraded the> front suspension to a fully independent torsion bar suspension.> This type suspension is considered far more technologically> advanced and offers better performance on rough roads, plus> excellent comfort during everyday driving.>>    Complaints had stemmed from purchasers of 1985 trucks who> accused Toyota of not notifying them in advance of the newly> designed suspension set to appear on the 1986 models, despite> the fact that Toyota knew of the substantial improvements.>>    As such, Toyota has agreed to retrofit the newer independent> suspension system onto any 1985 model truck that is still in possession> of the original owner who purchased it new in 1985. Owners of such> trucks should contact their local Toyota dealer for more information,> and to determine if they qualify for the conversion upgrade from the> live axle to independent suspension.>> Jay Kopycinski   '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)
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 Cheers,
 Karl Bellve, Ph.D.                   ICQ # 13956200
 Biomedical Imaging Group             TLCA# 7938
 University of Massachusetts
 Email: kdb@molmed.ummed.edu
 Phone: (508) 856-6514
 Fax:   (508) 856-1840
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 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 08:39:58 -0600
 From: jorrand@edge.net (J Orrand)
 Subject: Driving Gas Prices Down!  I'm all for it!!
 I am all for driving gas prices down.  There is absolutely NO reason for
 gas to cost $1.00 per gallon.  For the guys that lost their jobs, I'm
 sorry. But the low gas prices were not to blame.  The fact that some
 executive at the magor gas company wanted to keep his wallet fat inspite of
 low gas prices is the real culprit.  As for giving money to the middle
 east, what do you think we did after Desert Storm.  Any time the US attacks
 a country we have a BAD habit of giving them money to rebuild it.  If I had
 been in control of things we would have wiped out that part of the world
 and gotten all the oil for ourselves and have .25 cent/gallon gas.  We have
 a real opprotunity here to show the gas companies who is really in control
 so I am definently in.  I am also working on getting this on some local
 news here.  I urge others to do the same.
 On a related note:  My uncle worked for Chevy for years.  Chevy had
 developed a special fuel injection/carbuerator that would get well over 100
 miles per gallon.  The big gas companines pay Chevy a LARGE amount of money
 every year to keep them from producing this device.  I have even seen the
 books and plans describing it's functionality.  Too bad the world is full
 of crooks.
 ok, I'm off my soap box now.
 - -J
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 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 09:52:00 -0500
 From: James S Boyer  Subject: 96 4Runner sway
 Jim wrote:
 We have a stock '96 4Runner which handles like a pig on a twisty road
 (excessive sway).  Our '90 pickup has no problem.  Is there a cheap
 alternative?  Stiffer shocks?  I was thinking of an upgraded sway bar
 if aftermarket shocks don't work.
 Jim,
 I just (last night) replaced my torsion bars,rotors,pads,inner and
 outer bearings,anti-sway bushings and added a K/N filter kit.I feel like
 I'm driving a new (but better) truck.I could not believe the difference
 the torsion bars made.The t-bars are without a doubt the best $119.00
 I have spent on my truck.They are Sway-A-Way 26mm bars.I also had not
 realized how the stock t-bars had "drooped".I followed the instructions
 and ended up 1" taller.They were not that hard to put on (@ 1hr./
 side).Also,the sway bar bushings really keep things flat in sharp turns
 (I plan on replacing them with disconnects in next couple of months).
 Good luck,
 Scott
 94 X-cab,V6,4" Pro-comp II,RS9000's,Centerforce D/F,SWA T-Bars,33"-12.5
 BFG M/T,Aluminum"890's",K/N Kit,etc.
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 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:45:07 -0600 (EST)
 From: Brian Wiencek  Subject: Re: Alternator> cab is always lit now and I have to charge the battery again every night so> I'd say the alternator's had it.>> When I look at it while its running the alternator is spinning but an> ammeter shows no current coming out of it. I hit it once the first time and> it started working but that doesn't work anymore.
 That really sounds like bad brushes in the alternator - hitting it got the
 brush down a little bit more to make contact and the alternator started
 working again.  I would either buy a rebuild kit from any better parts
 store (I don't know what you have out there) or at least go and buy a set
 of brushes from either an automotive electric supplier or toyota.  Chances
 are that you'll find the brushes completely worn, and taking the case
 apart and R&R ing the brushes will fix it for a long time.
 - - Brian
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 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:26:02 -0800
 From: David Fritzsche  Subject: re;Aftermarket Grill
 Dalant at 1-800-909-7943, They are located in No.Highlands Ca.
 You did not say what year but from there catalog here are the prices for a
 "90".
 Grill between $40.00 to $50.00
 Side lights $20.00 to $25.00
 Headlite doors $18.00 to $28.00
 This is aftermarket stuff, not Toyota. Quality seems pretty good.
 I have nothing to do with this company
 "Real Wheelers Are Built, Not Bought"
 David Fritzsche, Roseville, CA,  1990 V-6 ex-cab, otto@inreach.com
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 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 19:04:46 +0300
 From: "Tim Grueninger"  Subject: need suggestions
 Has anyone put a 454, or seen one in a 88, nonlifted in any way, shortbed
 4x4? Soon will come a T400 or NV4500, doubled NP205 x-fer case, then dana 60
 front, 14 boltrear. I'm needing advice and helpfull tips. Will run 39.5
 boggers, also not afraid to cut the heck out of the fenders, leaf springs in
 front, will locate the front axle about 2" forward from center on the spring
 pack, bob the bed about 8",what ya think??
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:36:29 -0500
 From: "NUNES, ROB"  Subject: RE: need suggestions
 I have seen a 502 in a 1982 with over 12" of lift and a 1988 with a 454 with
 over 8" lift.
 Both of these Toyotas were trailer Queens.
 Save yourself some time and money, and put your Toyota body on a modified
 Chevy short-bed/Blazer frame.
 I hope you plan on keeping this "bastard" off the public streets when you
 are done!> ----------> From: 	Tim Grueninger[SMTP:matt.thmf@zajil.net]> Reply To: 	toy4x4@tlca.org> Sent: 	Thursday, April 01, 1999 11:04 AM> To: 	Toy4x4@tlca.org> Subject: 	need suggestions>> Has anyone put a 454, or seen one in a 88, nonlifted in any way, shortbed> 4x4? Soon will come a T400 or NV4500, doubled NP205 x-fer case, then dana> 60> front, 14 boltrear. I'm needing advice and helpfull tips. Will run 39.5> boggers, also not afraid to cut the heck out of the fenders, leaf springs> in> front, will locate the front axle about 2" forward from center on the> spring> pack, bob the bed about 8",what ya think??> ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:44:17 -0500
 From: "Ken Flesher"  Subject: RE: 96 4Runner sway>     I just (last night) replaced my torsion bars,rotors,pads,inner and> outer bearings,anti-sway bushings and added a K/N filter kit.I feel like> I'm driving a new (but better) truck.I could not believe the difference> the torsion bars made.The t-bars are without a doubt the best $119.00> I have spent on my truck.They are Sway-A-Way 26mm bars.I also had not> realized how the stock t-bars had "drooped".I followed the instructions> and ended up 1" taller.They were not that hard to put on (@ 1hr./> side).Also,the sway bar bushings really keep things flat in sharp turns> (I plan on replacing them with disconnects in next couple of months).
 Jim:
 Now you've got me even MORE determined to get these new SwayAway t-bars
 installed. Did you have much trouble getting the bolts off? I have new
 bolts/nuts as well. Been keeping the bolts soaked in Liquid Wrench for the
 past few weeks, hoping they will come right out.
 Has Drew Persson come out with disconnects for the 2nd gen pickups and
 4Runners yet? The fitting at the sway-bar end is different that the 1st gen
 trucks.
 - -KLF
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 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:54:00 -0500
 From: "Ken Flesher"  Subject: breather extension
 I took advantage of a really nice day in New England (finally!) yesterday to
 extend my rear diff breather. I had all the parts: the Nissan breathers, the
 3/16" fuel hose, hose clamps, and even some nifty filters I found for the
 ends of the hoses. These filters are "in tank" filters they use on string
 trimmers, I found them at a local lawn & garder equipment shop. They're
 perfect for this application, really cheap too. I ran the upper end of the
 hose up along the gas filler tube.
 Anyway, I took out the old breather, and as I got it to within a thread or
 two of coming out, I started hearing a hissing sound. When it did come out,
 the air pressure behind it about blew it out if my hand. Apparently, my old
 breather wasn't breathing. Looks like it's clogged with dried grease and
 mud.
 So, is there any chance that some damage has been done? The diff seal is not
 leaking at all (3rd member is totally dry on the outside), and I checked the
 fluid and it is right where it's supposed to be.
 - -KLF
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 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 09:05:21 -0800
 From: "Roger Brown, P.E."  Subject: RE: Body Lifts - What do you all think?
 Andy wrote:> I have a 3" body lift on my ride and there are several problems you need to consider with them.  First off, any after market bumpers / nerf bars / etc. that attach to the frame are going to be built for a not lifted truck.  On my rear tube bumper I had to fab some brackets to make the thing look right.  On the front bumper they give you some plate steel tabs to move it up 3 inches.  By doing that you lose a lot of your strength on that bumper.  Second, you will not improve your off-road abilities at all by installing a body lift.  They only thing it does is enable you to install taller (not wider) tires.  Just remember you get what you pay for!  Just  my experiences....
 Well, it seems like you did improve your off-road ability by lifting your
 front and especially rear bumper to match the body lift, increasing approach
 and departure angles.  Doing a body lift raises the center of gravity less
 than doing an equivalent suspension lift so this results in more off-camber
 ability with a body lift than with a suspension lift.  Then the ability to put
 taller tires on gives you improved clearance under the axles and lift the
 whole vehicle.
 By itself and body lift may not be of much use, but combined with the things
 it allows you to do, it is part of an overall package.
 - --
 Roger Brown		http://reality.sgi.com/rogerb/4Runner.html
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 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:15:42 -0700
 From: "Jay Kopycinski"  Subject: 3rd Members
 "Glen Jenkins"  wrote:>This seems like a silly Question to me but I am unsure so I will ask.  Does>the front third member interchange with the rear 3rd member on solid axle>toys?  I have a 81-82 front 3rd member that I am thinking of setting up>with gears and putting it in the back of my 84 4runner. Before I do this I>would greatly appreciate anyone's knowledge on the subject.
 Not silly at all really. They are interchangeable.
 Jay Kopycinski    '85 Toylet  (ROKTOY)
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 09:19:26 -0800
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Re: breather extension
 Ken Flesher wrote:> Anyway, I took out the old breather, and as I got it to within a thread or> two of coming out, I started hearing a hissing sound. When it did come out,> the air pressure behind it about blew it out if my hand. Apparently, my old> breather wasn't breathing. Looks like it's clogged with dried grease and> mud.>> So, is there any chance that some damage has been done? The diff seal is not> leaking at all (3rd member is totally dry on the outside), and I checked the> fluid and it is right where it's supposed to be.
 If its not leaking you should be ok.  The only thing the pressure could
 have done was to blow your seals... and you said it didn't.
 Scott
 - --
 | _____o
 o~~~|/~/~|~\~~~~~~~~~~~      Scott Wilson
 o  |?????????:       /    Santa Clara, CA
 O */_\---/_\      /    TLCA, CA4WDC member
 (_)   (_)    /  http://www.off-road.com/~swilson
 ------------------------------
 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:23:07 -0600 (EST)
 From: Brian Wiencek  Subject: RE: need suggestions> I have seen a 502 in a 1982 with over 12" of lift and a 1988 with a 454 with> over 8" lift.
<>> I hope you plan on keeping this "bastard" off the public streets when> you are done!
 WHOA! - just because you might not be able to pull off something like this
 doesn't mean it can't be done safely and be road worthy (even more so
 than some stock vehicles if done right).  I agree that there are way to
 many hack jobs running around out there (front lift blocks, poorly welded
 steering/suspension parts, rotted frames, etc.) and that it definately
 takes a lot more time / effort / money to build a SAFE big truck, but I
 believe it can be done (as long as you're not trying to cut corners)  This
 automatic generalization of what's safe and what's not is how silly laws
 get passed (remember that next time a suspension lift law is up for a
 vote in your area or any area for that matter)  Remember also that SOMEONE
 had to do the engineering - even if it's from the factory or aftermarket.
 I've seen stretched front ends to accomodate a twin-turbo supra inline 6
 cylinder, and it was done in an extremely clean and safe manner, I've
 personally stuffed a small block in my truck and took great time and
 effort to keep the truck safe and road worthy even though the truck had
 almost 3x the power of the stock 22r.
 I don't know why I decided to write this, but I'm tired of people jumping
 off the deep end when someone mentions a 'unique' mod.  without these
 people taking the chances we'd never learn anything right ;-)  Don't take
 it personally....
 - - Brian
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 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:01:06 -0700
 From: "Andrew Perman"  Subject: RE: Body Lifts - What do you all think?>I run a body lift in 2 of my trucks. In TT2 the body lift, which was>done by relocating the body mounts up (no blocks) allowed fitting>the>GM6.5 and NV4500. It also meant that I could add extra fuel and>water>and build bigger shock towers in the front. On the 2.8Diesel unit>it>meant tat the exhaust could now pass over the top of the rear>driveshafft reather than under the Tcase. I found that I also>needed the>body lift to clear 35's on a 3rd gen soild (factory) combined with a>2in>axle forward conversion.
 My body lift helped out with my solid axle conversion as well.  It enabled me to move the front shock mounts up as well as reroute the exhaust out of harms way.  I was also able to move the gas tank up and away from rocks.  I just read the original post as he wanted a cheap lift to fit bigger tires under the fenders.  I just wanted him to know that a body lift is not just a 60 dollar purchase.  There is a lot of custom fab work to be done to make a body lift work.  I do agree that a small body lift in conjunction with a suspension lift is the way to go......
 Andy Perman
 88' Runner.....
 Solid Axle Conversion
 35x12.50 BFG M/T
 permana@exempla.org
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