Toyota 4x4 digest:     Wednesday, October 14 1998     Volume 02 : Number 136
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 Coil Lift on 92 4Runner.
 RE: Coil Lift on 92 4Runner.
 Need suggestions on valve adjustment.  Again!
 truck runs worse after hg repair
 questions and ideas
 Leaf Springs Screwed Up?
 Re: leaf springs
 Re: ADMIN: BAD NEWS FOR 4X4 OWNERS!!!!!
 re: question and ideas
 Re: What's a TREKKOR?
 Re: Redline-Weber Carb conversion problems 84-22R
 Re: Oil pan
 Re: Oil pan
 Re: Need suggestions on valve adjustment.  Again!
 Re: Leaf Springs Screwed Up?
 Re: [Coil Lift on 92 4Runner.]
 Re: Swapping a 2.7L into earlier Toy
 Speaking of Toy Tundra
 truck runs worse after HG repair than before?
 Re: Need suggestions on valve adjustment.  Again!
 Aftermarket Cats
 winchin
 Re: truck runs worse after hg repair
 Re: questions and ideas
 Re: question and ideas
 Re: Aftermarket Cats
 Landcruiser
 Engine Surge
 Re: Aftermarket Cats
 Re: questions and ideas
 Re: Engine Surge
 Prairie City
 Re: Prairie City
 Re: Broken Antenna
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 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:37:48 -0400
 From: "Tom Pechkovsky"  Subject: Coil Lift on 92 4Runner.
 Ok so it looks like I'm going to get some free time in the next couple of weeks to work on a couple of projects.  If I could just ask a couple of questions my time running back in forth to the store could be seriously reduced.
 1.   How long a brake line do I need on my rear brake system if I am replacing the old coils with a set of Old Man Emu's (similar to the Downey 1.5 to 3 inch lift.)
 2.   I guess the vertic on the Panhard Rod removal and installation of the drop bracket is CUT IT OFF the bolt. Yes?
 3.   When I go to the dealer to pick up a new set of Bolts and  Nuts for the torrsion bars do I need  Wedges (?)  as well.   (I live in an area with  lots of Road salt )
 4.   Does anyone have any experience with OME shocks to fit this type of application.  (currently have a set of rs9000's but they will be a little short after this.)
 5.   Completely unrelated to the lift....... I have a set of steel rims off my 81 pickup, what are the effects if I put these on the 4runner for the winter with a set of snows.  Am I correct in understanding that the rims from a solid axle Toy will stick out more from the IFS vehicle but that since I am probably going with a 235/75 snow tire this won't create any problems (sorry don't know the offset and backspacing of the rims, haven't seen them in years they are stored away and not easy to get at.)
 6.  Last but not least... any recommendations on snow tires,  I do lots of icy highway but still try to get into a cottage in the winter with no plowed road.
 Thanks in advance for the advise and  for the all the great advise from other postings.
 Tom Pechkovsky
 92 4runner
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 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:07:39 -0000
 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?500_T=D6LV_R=FAnar_Sigurj=F3nsson?=  Subject: RE: Coil Lift on 92 4Runner.> 4.   Does anyone have any experience with OME shocks to fit this type of> application.  (currently have a set of rs9000's but they will be a little> short after this.)> OME products are very good in general.  Those things are designed for ride
 and control (those crasy Austrailians drive the corrugated tracks a 60 mph,
 just like we do...:).
 RS9000's might be just as good.> 5.   Completely unrelated to the lift....... I have a set of steel rims> off my 81 pickup, what are the effects if I put these on the 4runner for> the winter with a set of snows.  Am I correct in understanding that the> rims from a solid axle Toy will stick out more from the IFS vehicle but> that since I am probably going with a 235/75 snow tire this won't create> any problems (sorry don't know the offset and backspacing of the rims,> haven't seen them in years they are stored away and not easy to get at.)> If your 92 came with 16" rims, you might have slight problems with
 breake-capillar clearange with 15" rims.  And yes it would stick out more
 (about an inch, for equally wide rims)> 6.  Last but not least... any recommendations on snow tires,  I do lots of> icy highway but still try to get into a cottage in the winter with no> plowed road.> Big, studded mudders, to get the best of both worlds!  Otherwize, any of the
 fabelus wintertires, that are not sold in the states...;-)
 (Michelin, Bridestone, Nokia)
 Cheers,Runar
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 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:33:00 -0700
 From: Joel_R1@verifone.com
 Subject: Need suggestions on valve adjustment.  Again!
 Hey guys,
 I have adjusted my valves on my 92  xtra cab 4x4 22re 4 times now and they
 are still very loud. Can someone tell me if there is any trick to this
 process. I am using the Haynes manual and following the procedure very
 closely (not really much to it) but they just aren't getting quieter.
 Please help.
 Thanks in advance.
 Joel Remender
 92 xtra cab 4x4  2" susp lift
 31" Goodyears
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 Date: 14 Oct 98 16:41:51 MDT
 From: TIM BREWERS  Subject: truck runs worse after hg repair
 I just got my head gasket done and now my truck is acting funny.  First of all
 when i jumped in to it this morning it cranked over but it wouldn't fire. I
 will see if I can explain what it did. Turn the key and hold it, engine would
 go faster and faster until I let go of the key then it would die?  It always
 started great before. (turn and hold key about 1 second, then turn off, would
 start immediately on the second try)
 Next question,  I now hear water gurgling when I start it, speeds up and gets
 louder as I accelerate, especially when engine is cold. Sounds like it is
 coming from passenger side (heater core?)  It has never done that before.  The
 dealer replaced the water pump and thermostat with the HG.
 One more.  Is the A/C affected at all during the HG repair?  My AC doesn't
 seem nearly as cold now that they worked on it.  Could they have bumped
 something to allow the freon to leak out?  Anyway I would really appreciate
 any ideas anyone has.  I would like to figure this out before the dealer says
 it is something I did.  Thank you.
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 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:53:38 -0700
 From: Shane Hoffmeyer  Subject: questions and ideas
 I just helped a friend install a toy axle into the rear of his
 Jeep CJ5. We have just a few questions. What exactly does the proportioning bracket for the rear brakes do? Is it needed
 with manual brakes? Also, is anyone having problems using a heavyweight flywheel on their 22r's? My friend has a
 recurring rear main leak and we have ruled out everything except the torque from the heavier flywheel. Any thoughts?
 I have an idea to gain more travel. Tell me what you think or if there will be any problems with this setup. I was
 thinking that you could replace your shackles with shocks. The fully compressed shock would work the same as a shackle,
 pivoting back and forth. As the tire dropped during articulation, the shock would extend and allow the spring to drop
 further than normal. I know that this would affect pinion angle during extreme travel but with a double cardan joint at
 each end of the drive shaft it should work. What are your opinions? My friend and I fabbed a shock/shackle setup on his
 CJ5 last weekend. We won't be able to test it until sometime around Thanksgiving, but I'll let you know how it works.
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 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:17:43 -0700
 From: "Christopher C. Mieduniecki, M.H., C.Ht."  Subject: Leaf Springs Screwed Up?
 G'day....
 My 85 4x2 looks like it is sitting on a tilt off to the right, I was
 wondering if it could be because my leaf springs are not all in perfect
 line.... the bottom one sticks out about 1/2"....
 Any ideas?
 Chris
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 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:21:50 -0700
 From: "Roger Brown, P.E."  Subject: Re: leaf springs
 Brandon worte:> I got a couple buddies with them (4 actually), I'll have to ask the year> etc. but I know that both mounts need to moved out pretty far.
 There's two pictures of a white p/u w/ Chevy springs on my page (below):
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 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:37:02 -0700
 From: Jim Brink  Subject: Re: ADMIN: BAD NEWS FOR 4X4 OWNERS!!!!!
 daves8@juno.com wrote:>> Jim,>> I wanna complain about the guys that are doing the complaining........
 Get in line and take a number ;-)> On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:16:13 -0700 Jim Brink > writes:> .......... I have received several complaints in regards to this in just> a few hours but I have stood by my decison to allow the discussions to> continue, provided they do not turn into a flame war or stray off topic.
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 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:55:06 -0700
 From: Hollis Ferris  Subject: re: question and ideas
 I have an idea to gain more travel. Tell me what you think or if
 there will be any problems with this setup. I was
 thinking that you could replace your shackles with shocks. The fully
 compressed shock would work the same as a shackle,
 pivoting back and forth. As the tire dropped during articulation, the
 shock would extend and allow the spring to drop
 further than normal. I know that this would affect pinion angle during
 extreme travel but with a double cardan joint at
 each end of the drive shaft it should work. What are your opinions?
 I think that a more simple variant on this is your basic buggy leaf
 setup,
 there is a lot downward of force on the spring,and that would  pull the
 shock all the way out. Before it got a chance to articulate the shock
 would be bottomed out. there would be nothing to hold the spring up where
 it is supposed to be. anyone got any comments on this???  Hollis Ferris>> ============================================================================
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 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:05:18 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Luke P Miller  Subject: Re: What's a TREKKOR?
 Trekker, converted by Winnebago (of motorhome fame). I know a guy with a
 yellow one, based on an '83 pickup. The rear of the body behind the cab,
 is fiberglass. I can't remember if the rear fenders are 'glass, or just
 the upper portion, the canopy. It has a rather uncomfortable looking back
 seat that essentially sits right on the floor, and a rear lift hatch
 instead of the electric glass of true 4Runners. The mechanicals are all
 left untouched as far as I know (same engine, axles, frame, steering etc).
 On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, Gordon T. Dalton wrote:> I met someone in my area who wants to sell a Toyota> "Trekkor" 4x4. It is a pickup from the late '70's, early> '80's. Is anyone familiar with this designation> ("trekkor")? Is it a trim level or package? It's a small,> reg. cab p/u.
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 umilll02@umail.ucsb.edu   Santa Barbara, CA
 85 4Runner SR5 22RE 3" front Alcan lift, 3" rear mazda spring conversion,
 25.4 mm body lift,  RS9000's, rear lock-right, 32" Michelins, #276, other
 ugly garbage
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 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:05:01 -0600
 From: "David Eggleston"  Subject: Re: Redline-Weber Carb conversion problems 84-22R
 How exactly did it fail?
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 David Eggleston
 Glendale, CO
 '84 X-Cab: supercharged 283 V-8/TH-350,  38.5" Hawgs
 toy283@mho.net
 ICQ  11394206
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 From: Todd Bellwood  To: Toy4x4-Digest  Date: Wednesday, 14 October, 1998 0:49 AM
 Subject: Redline-Weber Carb conversion problems 84-22R>Redline-Weber # K8749>CARB E.O. D 133-2>>    Anyone had any trouble with these. It won't pass emissions in>Colorado(5280 ft). This unit is CARB E. O. approved for California. I'm>getting this project after the first failed attempt and am still trying to>get the test results from the previous mechanic so I don't even know why it>failed as of yet. Could just need a jet change. If this carb came with>directions or vacuum hose routing tips I don't have them. If anyone has>these they would be greatly appreciated. Any thoughts or experiences
 welcome>as well.>>Bye for now>Todd Bellwood   toddbe@geocities.com>>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:06:46 -0600
 From: "David Eggleston"  Subject: Re: Oil pan
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 From: Scott Ellinger  To: toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Wednesday, 14 October, 1998 6:57 AM
 Subject: Re: Oil pan>>     Can anyone tell me what is involved in removing my engine oil pan?>> I have a 90 Toyota 4 cyl. standard cab with a 4" suspension lift and>> 33's.  My Chilton's manual says I have to drop the front diff.  Does my>> lift allow me not to do that? (Hoping....)>>>With the 4" lift, dropping the diff should be a non-issue.  It might be>tricky to get the pan all the way out, but as long as you take off the>skid plate first, you should be able to maeuver it around pretty well.>>--scott>Scott Ellinger   ellinger@holly.colostate.edu   Larimer County 4WD Club>        Visit my Home Page: http://holly.colostate.edu/~ellinger> '86 Toy pickup body, Ford 5.0, GMC NV4500, "slightly altered" RKSTMPR>>===========================================================================
 =>Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> It would seem to me that the 4" lift kit is irrelevant. The differential did
 not move relative to the engine thus it may need to be dropped as per the
 manuals instructions :(
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 David Eggleston
 Glendale, CO
 '84 X-Cab: supercharged 283 V-8/TH-350,  38.5" Hawgs
 toy283@mho.net
 ICQ  11394206
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 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:46:38 -0700
 From: robert bascom  Subject: Re: Oil pan
 David Eggleston wrote:>> -----Original Message-----> From: Scott Ellinger > To: toy4x4@tlca.org > Date: Wednesday, 14 October, 1998 6:57 AM> Subject: Re: Oil pan>>>>     Can anyone tell me what is involved in removing my engine oil pan?>>> I have a 90 Toyota 4 cyl. standard cab with a 4" suspension lift and>>> 33's.  My Chilton's manual says I have to drop the front diff.  Does my>>> lift allow me not to do that? (Hoping....)>>>>>With the 4" lift, dropping the diff should be a non-issue.  It might be>>tricky to get the pan all the way out, but as long as you take off the>>skid plate first, you should be able to maeuver it around pretty well.>>>>--scott>>Scott Ellinger   ellinger@holly.colostate.edu   Larimer County 4WD Club>>        Visit my Home Page: http://holly.colostate.edu/~ellinger>> '86 Toy pickup body, Ford 5.0, GMC NV4500, "slightly altered" RKSTMPR>>>>===========================================================================> =>>Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota>>> It would seem to me that the 4" lift kit is irrelevant. The differential did> not move relative to the engine thus it may need to be dropped as per the> manuals instructions :(> ==============> David Eggleston> Glendale, CO> '84 X-Cab: supercharged 283 V-8/TH-350,  38.5" Hawgs> toy283@mho.net> ICQ  11394206>> ============================================================================> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
 With the 4" lift all you have to do is undo the pass. side of
 the steering damper.  This lets you drop the pan forwards enough that
 you can reach in and undo the pickup from the block. All thats left is
 wiggling the pan out the back under the tranny. Getting back in is a
 little messy because of the gasket goop though. Try getting that stuff
 out of your hair :). Thats the way i pulled the pan on mine and its
 still not leaking.
 Ryan Bascom
 '87 4runner
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 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:47:27 -0700
 From: "Brandon Miller"  Subject: Re: Need suggestions on valve adjustment.  Again!
 make sure the engine is hot and change your oil
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 From:  To:  Date: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 3:37 PM
 Subject: Need suggestions on valve adjustment. Again!>Hey guys,>>I have adjusted my valves on my 92  xtra cab 4x4 22re 4 times now and they>are still very loud. Can someone tell me if there is any trick to this>process. I am using the Haynes manual and following the procedure very>closely (not really much to it) but they just aren't getting quieter.>>Please help.>>Thanks in advance.>>Joel Remender>92 xtra cab 4x4  2" susp lift>31" Goodyears>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:54:26 -0700
 From: "Brandon Miller"  Subject: Re: Leaf Springs Screwed Up?
 You could have bent your springs, sight down them - usually bend right
 behind the perch
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 From: Christopher C. Mieduniecki, M.H., C.Ht.  To: Toyota Mail List  Date: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 4:26 PM
 Subject: Leaf Springs Screwed Up?>G'day....>>My 85 4x2 looks like it is sitting on a tilt off to the right, I was>wondering if it could be because my leaf springs are not all in perfect>line.... the bottom one sticks out about 1/2"....>>Any ideas?>>Chris>-------------------------------------------------------------------->Capital Hypnotherapy Clinic>Victoria, British Columbia, Canada>>>>>===========================================================================
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 Date: 14 Oct 98 18:54:11 PDT
 From: Chris Geiger  Subject: Re: [Coil Lift on 92 4Runner.]
 1.   How long a brake line do I need on my rear brake system if I am replacing
 the old coils with a set of Old Man Emu's (similar to the Downey 1.5 to 3 inch
 lift.)
 You need to get one that is 4" longer, the stock one is too short for even the
 stock springs.
 2.   I guess the vertic on the Panhard Rod removal and installation of the
 drop bracket is CUT IT OFF the bolt. Yes?
 Yes, on 4Runners cut it off and tie it up.
 3.   When I go to the dealer to pick up a new set of Bolts and  Nuts for the
 torrsion bars do I need  Wedges (?)  as well.   (I live in an area with  lots
 of Road salt )
 No they don't need to be replaced. I am on my fourth set of bolts and
 origional wedges.
 4.   Does anyone have any experience with OME shocks to fit this type of
 application.  (currently have a set of rs9000's but they will be a little
 short after this.)
 RS 9115 or 5115 shocks work great with 1.5" longer springs.
 5.   Completely unrelated to the lift....... I have a set of steel rims off my
 81 pickup
 Yes, they will stick out just a little. They are 3.5" backspacing 6" or 7"
 wide depending on model
 6.  Last but not least... any recommendations on snow tires,  I do lots of icy
 highway but still try to get into a cottage in the winter with no plowed road.
 The BFG AT's are one of the best ice tire I know of. For deep snow the Mud
 version works better.
 Chris Geiger 93 4Runner http://www.off-road.com/~geiger
 Thanks in advance for the advise and  for the all the great advise from other
 postings.
 Tom Pechkovsky
 92 4runner
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 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:02:57 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Dan Merrick  Subject: Re: Swapping a 2.7L into earlier Toy>    Also....  has anyone swapped a tacoma 2.7L into a an earlier truck?> I think you'd be better off swapping in a Vortec V6 or Chevy V8 or any of
 the more common swaps. The 2.7L would probably be difficult to get for a
 good price, since it is such a new and expensive engine to begin with. Also,
 if the old truck isn't EFI, you'll need an electric fuel pump, and possibly
 mods to the fuel tank and fuel lines. The 2.7L has the intake manifold on
 the opposite side of the engine as the older Toys (i think), so fuel lines
 will have to be re-routed, and exhaust will need work, as the front
 driveshaft may interfere. Also, you'd better get all the wiring, including
 the EFI Computer, as these items are expen$ive!! Finally, you'll probably
 need the tranny and transfer case, as I doubt the 2.7L will bolt to an older
 tranny (though I'm not sure!). All of this for 150 Horses? You may be better
 off with a nicely built 22R or 22RE with the proper gear ratios!! But, hey,
 it may be worth a try...
 Dan
 '98 TRD Limited V6
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 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:30:48 -0500
 From: jorrand@edge.net (J Orrand)
 Subject: Speaking of Toy Tundra
 I'm with Scott.  The Tundra is one of the ugliest Toys ever made.  I
 don't even like the headlight set up on the 1998 Tacoma.  On my 1997 the
 headlights are recessed a little giving the front end that "mean" look.
 Anyway, my vision is this........Tacoma with swapped in Tundra V8.  Or
 late 70s model Land Cruiser with the Tundra V8.  Cool huh?  You'll get
 V8 power and it's still all Toy.
 - -J
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 Date: 14 Oct 98 20:40:02 MDT
 From: TIM BREWERS  Subject: truck runs worse after HG repair than before?
 I just got my truck back after having the HG done and it runs worse now than
 before. So I have a few questions I hope everyone can help me with.
 My first question is I can hear water gurgling and it sounds like it is coming
 from the passenger's side(heater core?)  It seems to get louder and faster as
 I accelerate, and it seems like it is worse when the engine is cold.  The
 truck never did this before, is it supposed to?  I had the water pump,
 thermostat etc. replaced by the dealer during the HG repair also.
 Next question,  when I tried to start it this morning it turned over but
 wouldn't start.  I'll try to explain.  Turn the key and hold it. Engine turns
 faster and faster but won't start?  Always started great before.  Usually turn
 the key for a second,let off, turn again and it fires right up.  Also seems to
 be worse when the engine is cold.
 Alright last question, is the A/C affected by the head gasket repair?  It
 seems like the A/C isn't as cold as it was before.  Is it possible to have
 knocked something loose and lost some freon?  Any ideas would be greatly
 appreciated.  I would like to get this figured out before the dealer says it
 was something I did, and won't fix it.  Thanks
 89 Ext. Cab v-6  4x4  31" BFG AT's
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 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:16:56 -0700
 From: "Bob Williams"  Subject: Re: Need suggestions on valve adjustment.  Again!
 the valves get tight when out of adjustment, when they are adjusted, they
 are louder because they have the correct amount of gap.
 Bob Williams, Las Vegas, Nevada
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 From: Joel_R1@verifone.com  To: Toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 3:35 PM
 Subject: Need suggestions on valve adjustment. Again!>Hey guys,>>I have adjusted my valves on my 92  xtra cab 4x4 22re 4 times now and they>are still very loud. Can someone tell me if there is any trick to this>process. I am using the Haynes manual and following the procedure very>closely (not really much to it) but they just aren't getting quieter.>>Please help.>>Thanks in advance.>>Joel Remender>92 xtra cab 4x4  2" susp lift>31" Goodyears>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:22:59 -0400
 From: mrodg@juno.com
 Subject: Aftermarket Cats
 This question is for any 4  cyl. owners who have replaced the catalytic
 converter with aftermarket converter.  Do you still get the sulfer smell
 coming through the back window under loads such as going up a hill?  I am
 planning to replace the entire exhaust system, header and muffler.  I
 don't think my cat is clogged or anything, but I just can't stand the
 sulfer smell anymore.  If an aftermarket cat will help, it will get
 replaced too.
 Thanks in advanced
 Mike Rodgers
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 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:37:37 -0600 (MDT)
 From: BUTER  BRADFORD RYAN  Subject: winchin
 hey guys. i havva question on mounting a winch.  i want to mount my winch
 on an arb bumper that is bolted to the frame.  the bumper/mounts are
 plenty strong, but how about where it attaches to the frame? should i
 reinforce the area with some plate steel, or is it good to go? i have an
 88 4-runner, so it is pretty light, but i need a strong mount.  me and my
 buddies have 12,000 lb winches and we like to winch them up the side of
 this cliff near here. thanks in advance-----Dee-Bo
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 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:24:20 -0700
 From: Jim Brink  Subject: Re: truck runs worse after hg repair
 TIM BREWERS wrote:>> I just got my head gasket done and now my truck is acting funny.  First of all> when i jumped in to it this morning it cranked over but it wouldn't fire. I> will see if I can explain what it did. Turn the key and hold it, engine would> go faster and faster until I let go of the key then it would die?  It always> started great before. (turn and hold key about 1 second, then turn off, would> start immediately on the second try)
 Did you have the timing belt done at the same time? How soon afterward
 did the truck begin to act up? I can think of a few possibilities:
 1) Incorrecectly timed engine during installation of timing belt,
 2) Air intake hose loose at throttle body or MAF,
 3) Cold-start injector and/or time switch wiring loose/not connected.>> Next question,  I now hear water gurgling when I start it, speeds up and gets> louder as I accelerate, especially when engine is cold. Sounds like it is> coming from passenger side (heater core?)  It has never done that before.  The> dealer replaced the water pump and thermostat with the HG.
 There is air in the cooling system. Most likely the heater core is air
 locked or has a big air bubble in it. Here is what you can do (REMEMBER:
 COOLANT CAN GET HOT...USE CAUTION WHEN REMOVING THE RADIATOR CAP!):
 With the engine cold, remove the radiator cap and top off the radiator
 if needed. Make sure the coolant surge tank is filled with coolant
 between the "LOW" and "FULL" marks. Reinstall the radiator cap and back
 it off one notch. Run the engine until it reaches normal operating
 temperature then shut it off. Allow the engine to cool, and recheck the
 coolant levels again. Top off if needed. Repeat the procedure until you
 no longer have to add coolant and the level stabilizes inside the surge
 tank. Coolant may bubble out through the radiator cap and onto the
 radiator. This is normal as the air is purged out. Now is also a good
 time to replace the cap if it is original.>> One more.  Is the A/C affected at all during the HG repair?  My AC doesn't> seem nearly as cold now that they worked on it.  Could they have bumped> something to allow the freon to leak out?  Anyway I would really appreciate> any ideas anyone has.  I would like to figure this out before the dealer says> it is something I did.  Thank you.
 The A/C problem may be related to the HG work, but I doubt it. Actually,
 with some mechanincs, anything is possible...
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 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:31:56 -0700
 From: Jim Brink  Subject: Re: questions and ideas
 Shane Hoffmeyer wrote:>> I just helped a friend install a toy axle into the rear of his> Jeep CJ5. We have just a few questions. What exactly does the proportioning bracket for the rear brakes do? Is it needed> with manual brakes? Also, is anyone having problems using a heavyweight flywheel on their 22r's? My friend has a> recurring rear main leak and we have ruled out everything except the torque from the heavier flywheel. Any thoughts?
 The proportioning valve changes the hydraulic pressure to the rear
 brakes dependent on the load in the bed. Weather or not is needed is a
 matter of personal preference. In my case, I have a camper shell, carpet
 kit, tools, parts, dogs, misc. good stuff in my truck and I want all the
 braking power back there I can get. Mine is disabled.
 As for the heavier flywheel causing rear main leaks, I think this is a
 bit of a myth. The flywheel is machined and balanced as opposed to just
 having the extra 9 lbs. brazed onto the side of it :-) While it
 obviously isn't balanced with the rest of the engine's reciprocating
 assembly, it shouldn't matter all that much in relation to bearing and
 seal wear. The rear main seal, in my opinion, only has the usable life
 of a clutch (YMMV) and in my book, the rear main replacment is a
 mandatory procedure in a clutch job.
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 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:50:08 -0700
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Re: question and ideas
 Hollis Ferris wrote:>> I have an idea to gain more travel. Tell me what you think or if> there will be any problems with this setup. I was> thinking that you could replace your shackles with shocks. The fully> compressed shock would work the same as a shackle,> pivoting back and forth. As the tire dropped during articulation, the> shock would extend and allow the spring to drop> further than normal. I know that this would affect pinion angle during> extreme travel but with a double cardan joint at> each end of the drive shaft it should work. What are your opinions?
 It would help if you could have a way to lock the shock in the
 compressed position for street driving.  Otherwise, when you have to
 stop long and hard the stocks would extend until you have your rear end
 WAY up in the air....which would not help braking at all.
 I have two concerns about the shock too....it would be hard to find a
 shock that is short enough to do the trick.....and I think the shock
 couldn't handle the side to side force, and twisting force the leaved
 can generate.   IF you got really twisted up, it would probably just
 bend the compressed shock....possibly bend the eyes right off the
 shock.   If you where driving really off camber, the shocks wouldn't be
 able to handle the weight of the vehicle pushing on them from the side.
 Scott
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 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:55:45 -0700
 From: Scott Wilson  Subject: Re: Aftermarket Cats
 mrodg@juno.com wrote:>> This question is for any 4  cyl. owners who have replaced the catalytic> converter with aftermarket converter.  Do you still get the sulfer smell> coming through the back window under loads such as going up a hill?  I am> planning to replace the entire exhaust system, header and muffler.  I> don't think my cat is clogged or anything, but I just can't stand the> sulfer smell anymore.  If an aftermarket cat will help, it will get> replaced too.
 I've got the V6, but I just replaced my can with a 2.5" CarSound
 high-flow cat 2 weeks ago.  If you're really taxing the engine you can
 still get it to smell like sulfur...but it definately takes more heat to
 produce that smell than it did with the stock one.
 Scott
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 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:24:20 -0700
 From: "Tim and Barbara Hall"  Subject: Landcruiser
 I am looking at a 1970 Cruiser for $2500.  It has 150,000 miles and runs
 good.  The body needs some work, but over all it is in pretty good
 condition.  I am wondering if anyone can give me some things I should look
 out for besides the cancer that grows on the back gate?  Any help is
 appreciated.
 Tim
 1985 Toy 4x4 xcab. 4 1/2" lift, lockrights front and rear.
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 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:51:09 -0700
 From: Corey & Kim Bell  Subject: Engine Surge
 I have an '89 4Runner with the V6 and a 5 speed.  The problem I'm having is an intermittent surge in the engine RPM while idling.  It only seems to show up once the engine has warmed up (i.e. after 5-10 minutes of driving) and during cool weather (sub 70 deg F).  I have no surge problems while driving at any speed, only once I come to a stop.  The engine races up to approximately 1300 rpm and then immediately drops as if the engine has quit to about 900, then smoothes out at about 1000 for 1 to 2 seconds and begins this cycle all over again.  Any ideas what might be causing this?
 Thanks,
 Corey
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 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:04:08 -0700
 From: "jskaggs"  Subject: Re: Aftermarket Cats>This question is for any 4  cyl. owners who have replaced the catalytic>converter with aftermarket converter.  Do you still get the sulfer smell>coming through the back window under loads such as going up a hill?  I am>planning to replace the entire exhaust system, header and muffler.  I>don't think my cat is clogged or anything, but I just can't stand the>sulfer smell anymore.  If an aftermarket cat will help, it will get>replaced too.>>Thanks in advanced>Mike Rodgers> I never had that smell with either my old cat or my aftermarket cat in my 85
 4Runner.
 I do know the smell your talking of though.  I used to laugh at a mechanic
 friend of mine that bought a new Taurus back in 87, that car always stunk
 bad.
 John Skaggs
 Member of TLCA# 5560, High Sierra Toyota's, Toys 4 Fun and Blue Ribbon
 Coalition
 thunder90@msn.com
 Visalia, CA
 85 4Runner
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 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:15:35 -0700
 From: "Kenneth Sigel"  Subject: Re: questions and ideas
 I tied my proportioning bracket up so it was disabled, but my rear brakes
 seemed to lock up frequently.  Is it not supposed to do that?  I definitely
 got great braking to the rear wheels, but it wasn't good to lock up the
 brakes on the pavement.
 Ken
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 From: Jim Brink >The proportioning valve changes the hydraulic pressure to the rear>brakes dependent on the load in the bed. Weather or not is needed is a>matter of personal preference. In my case, I have a camper shell, carpet>kit, tools, parts, dogs, misc. good stuff in my truck and I want all the>braking power back there I can get. Mine is disabled.
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 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:11:49 -0700
 From: "jskaggs"  Subject: Re: Engine Surge
 Make sure your idle is set at the proper RPM.  I had kind of the same
 problem and I found out that it was the computer fighting itself with the
 idle to high.
 John Skaggs
 Member of TLCA# 5560, High Sierra Toyota's, Toys 4 Fun and Blue Ribbon
 Coalition
 thunder90@msn.com
 Visalia, CA
 85 4Runner>I have an '89 4Runner with the V6 and a 5 speed.  The problem I'm having is
 an intermittent surge in the engine RPM while idling.  It only seems to show
 up once the engine has warmed up (i.e. after 5-10 minutes of driving) and
 during cool weather (sub 70 deg F).  I have no surge problems while driving
 at any speed, only once I come to a stop.  The engine races up to
 approximately 1300 rpm and then immediately drops as if the engine has quit
 to about 900, then smoothes out at about 1000 for 1 to 2 seconds and begins
 this cycle all over again.  Any ideas what might be causing this?>>Thanks,>>Corey>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:19:35 -0700
 From: "Kenneth Sigel"  Subject: Prairie City
 Anyone have some opinions of the Prairie City SRVA?  Is it like Hollister
 Hills?  Anything that I'd be interested in?  Any rockcrawling?
 Ken
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 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:25:39 -0700
 From: "jskaggs"  Subject: Re: Prairie City
 Here is a trip report
 http://reality.sgi.com/rogerb/4x4/PrairieCity/index.html>Anyone have some opinions of the Prairie City SRVA?  Is it like Hollister>Hills?  Anything that I'd be interested in?  Any rockcrawling?>>Ken>>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:32:42 -0700
 From: "Calwest"  Subject: Re: Broken Antenna
 If you look under the wheel well where the antenna is located you'll see
 that you can remove the plastic cover, (technical term), protecting the
 engine compartment. Once that's removed you'll see the antenna. There are
 only a couple of screws holding it in. The wiring goes directly through to
 the passenger compartment. Just pull back the carpeting.
 Mike
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 From: Ed Hwang  To: Toyota 4x4 List  Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 5:14 PM
 Subject: Broken Antenna>>My antenna finally bit the dust and I'm not quite sure how remove/replace>it.  Where do you access the antenna?  I'm guessing by removal of the>fender inner liner, but would appreciate confirmation of this before I go>through the trouble.  Its a motorized antenna mounted on a 1985 SR5>XtraCab 4x4 pickup.>>Thanks for any advice.>>>*************************************************************************>*            Ed Hwang                        hwang@netcom.com           *>*    San Jose, California USA         ephwang@efawest.navfac.navy.mil   *>*      I wish I was where I was when I wished I was where I am now.     *>*************************************************************************>>>===========================================================================
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