Toyota 4x4 digest:      Wednesday, April 22 1998      Volume 01 : Number 821
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 reversible wheel
 Re: Antifreeze leak on V6-water pump??
 questions
 RE: RTI, wide front axle, stuff...
 Re: Antifreeze leak on V6-water pump??
 Re: Lockers
 Front end chirps
 Re: questions
 Re: Drive Train Direct
 RE: reversible wheel
 Re: Lockers
 Re: reversible wheel
 Re: RTI
 Re: ADD ideas
 Axle Widths
 Axle Widths
 TonkaTuf3 Update
 RUST
 Re: IFS articulation
 Re: Tranny fluid
 RE: Axle Widths
 Bio
 Fight against rust
 Problems in first...Manual hubs...
 Re: RTI
 Looking for destination recommendations in California
 RE: Slippery Oil
 additives
 RTI, wide front axle, stuff...
 Spare hub mount
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 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:30:26 -0400
 From: Agustinus Gunawan  Subject: reversible wheel
 Does any body know a supplier for a reversible wheel. I would like to keep
 the original track on the street but want wider track like the rock buggy
 has on the trail. It would look like a dually wheel but not that extreme
 offset.
 What I am looking for is a +2" to -2" offset. By this I could play the
 width of the tract by 8". Each side would have 4" to play with.
 So combined with Land Cruiser 80 series front axle or a WCOR 14" travel kit
 it would give standard width or 8" wider on the trail.
 Just and idea
 BTW: what is the offset of the original wheels?
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 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:30:55 -0400
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 Subject: Re: Antifreeze leak on V6-water pump??
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 Have you had the head gasket replaced yet?  There is a special service
 campaign from Toyota.  The head gasket sealant is dissolved by the
 coolant and causes the h.g. to go.  If you haven't, call Toyota at
 1-800-331-4331 with your VIN and have it done as soon as possible.
 They pay for everything.
 Allen
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 Subject: Antifreeze leak on V6-water pump??
 Author:  toy4x4@tlca.org at Internet
 Date:    4/21/98 8:45 PM
 Hello all, I just started noticing a anitifreeze leak on my 3.0 V6 a few
 days ago.  It is coming from near the timing belt cover on the passenger
 side towards the top of the engine and leaks down on to the skid plate
 and then the ground.  My only guess is it could be the water pump going
 bad.  The truck runs fine.  What do you all think?  The truck has over
 94K miles on it so it seems about time for the water pump to go bad.
 Anybody know how much this will cost me to get repared?  Please respond
 directly to me as I am in digest mode and do not recieve all the digests
 sometimes because I have juno.  Thanks in advance,
 *************************************************************
 Jeff
 e-mail:  jeff4cars@juno.com
 web: http:// www.geocities.com/baja/dunes/4328/
 1989 SR5 V6 Extra Cab 4X4, 5-speed, 94,000 miles,
 and too many mods to list in 5 lines!!
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 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 07:39:45 -0700
 From: "Jeffery Zicko"  Subject: questions
 hi everyone i just  have a few questions to ask.  I just got the
 summitt racing catalog and i saw a deal on shocks and i want some
 opinions on wether or not they are crap.  They are rugged trail
 R6000's  (i think that was the model).  They were in the clearence
 section for 5 dollars each.  I was wondering if anyone knows anything
 about them and wether or not its a ripoff.  If its a good deal you
 cant beat the price.  Next question i saw the posting on the t-100
 with no power when it climbs hills in first.  I have a 92 4X4 extnd
 cab with a 22-re.  When i try to climb hills i get a real big lack of
 power right before i get to the top of the hill.  I know that its not
 the fuel injection.  like the t-100 is it the gearing.  My gears are
 stock i believe there 4.10 if anyone can give me any feedback i would
 appreciate it
 thanks in advance
 jeff zicko
 jzicko@alert.alert.com
 92 toy 4X4 extnd cab
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 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:03:08 -0000
 From: runars@isbank.is
 Subject: RE: RTI, wide front axle, stuff...
 Same side, the passenger side
 Runar> -----Original Message-----> From:	Agustinus Gunawan [SMTP:aharjadi@ntplx.net]> Sent:	Wednesday, April 22, 1998 2:18 PM> To:	'toy4x4@tlca.org'> Subject:	RE: RTI, wide front axle, stuff...>> I forgot to ask about the pumpkin. Is it on the driver side or> passenger side?>>> -----Original Message-----> From:	runars@isbank.is [SMTP:runars@isbank.is]>>From the top of my mind, the track of a Hilux is something like 1.41-> 1.45m, while the 80-series is 1.55, so I guess the 80-series axle is> about 3" -4" wider.  I belive the IFS offset and 80-series offset is> about identical ( around 4" ).>>> ======================================================================> ======> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:59:10 -0500
 From: "Michael Rowe"  Subject: Re: Antifreeze leak on V6-water pump??
 If it's nearer to the top of the engine it might be something else like the
 steel bypass hose that runs across the top of the intake manifold. The water
 pump extends from the inlet (where you replace the turdmostat) over to the
 center of the block and about 3-5 inches higher where the idler pulley
 connects. It has an odd shape to it.  If the pump is leaking from the weep
 hole it will prob. only show at the front of the block/oil pan because it's
 so low. It could also leak from the mating surface and be spraying up into
 the #2 timing belt cover-doubtful or you would have lost all your coolant
 already. If you're noticing coolant higher up I would investigate something
 else.
 Mine was leaking at the pump to block mating surface last week. I just
 replaced the pump with a new one. The new pump didn't have the groove
 machined into the pump surface for the RTV to go. It came with a paper
 gasket. It was a TRW for $55. The entire job took me about 6 hours taking my
 time. If you're not mechanically inclined I would suspect you're going to
 have to pay some serious $.
 Thanks,
 Michael Rowe
 Tom Rowe & Associates
 m.rowe@tomrowe.com
 956-412-6600 (8am-5pm CST)
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 From: Jeffrey Samler  To: toy4x4@tlca.org  Date: Tuesday, April 21, 1998 8:00 PM
 Subject: Antifreeze leak on V6-water pump??>Hello all, I just started noticing a anitifreeze leak on my 3.0 V6 a few>days ago.  It is coming from near the timing belt cover on the passenger>side towards the top of the engine and leaks down on to the skid plate>and then the ground.  My only guess is it could be the water pump going>bad.  The truck runs fine.  What do you all think?  The truck has over>94K miles on it so it seems about time for the water pump to go bad.>Anybody know how much this will cost me to get repared?  Please respond>directly to me as I am in digest mode and do not recieve all the digests>sometimes because I have juno.  Thanks in advance,>>*************************************************************>Jeff>e-mail:  jeff4cars@juno.com>web: http:// www.geocities.com/baja/dunes/4328/>1989 SR5 V6 Extra Cab 4X4, 5-speed, 94,000 miles,>and too many mods to list in 5 lines!!>**************************************************************>>_____________________________________________________________________>You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.>Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com>Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]>>>===========================================================================
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 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:07:24 -0500
 From: John Vargas  Subject: Re: Lockers
 No they do not make a ARB for the ifs front.
 I installed a true-trac up front and wish i hadn't. Its just a major pain
 to engage while your trying to climb hills and what not :(
 If i were to do it over again i would install a lockright up front. Couple
 of local Toyota wheelers run the lockrights and I like their performance.
 I'll be swapping my truetrac for a lockright sometime this year. Or what i
 may do is just build a seperate front member, keep one with the truetrac
 and the other with a lockright. Anybody have a front 7.5 stock front member
 they want to part with?
 BTW I have the ARB in the rear and once I worked through a few problems, I
 love it. I like having the push on and push off locker :)
 John
 At 03:57 AM 4/22/98 -0500, you wrote:>After eating my pinion gear a couple of weeks ago, I'm looking to buy>lockers and gears for my '92 4Runner. I'm planning on 4.88s, but am unsure>about the lockers. I know everyone has an opinion about them, so let me have>them. Does ARB make one for the '92 IFS front? What's the next best thing in>the front? Rear? Thanks. ~dso>>>============================================================================>Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota> ============================================================================
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 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:07:58 -0400
 From: pcushing@pbfs.com
 Subject: Front end chirps
 I own a 95 4Runner SR5, 3.0, 4WD, 5SPD.  Stock except the sound system.  A
 pavement pounder.  I am nearing 32K and I have this chirping in the front
 end somewhere that is driving me nuts.  This impulse-like, almost
 metal-on-metal sounding squeak happens when going over normal bumps,
 usually starting at about 20 MPH.  Upon taking delivery of the truck I
 noticed it, and returned to the dealer for service numerous times.  They
 had trouble finding the noise, and I drove with the techs while it was
 happening and they still couldn?t hear it.  Anyway, they finally found it,
 loud and clear, and I think they thought I was nuts.  They kept lubing it
 against my better judgment, to no avail.  Finally, the service manager took
 pride in ordering some state-of-the-art Canadian bearings of some sort,
 installed them, and the symptom disappeared until my 30K service.  Now the
 squeak is back!  I have moved since then and have a new dealer and I would
 rather eat glass than go through this again.  I?m pretty handy with tools
 and making guesses, but this is my first 4WD.  Any idears are certainly
 appreciated.  Thanks!  PDC
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 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:17:11 EDT
 From: DRM033  Subject: Re: questions
 In a message dated 98-04-22 09:42:52 EDT, you write:> hi everyone i just  have a few questions to ask.  I just got the>  summitt racing catalog and i saw a deal on shocks and i want some>  opinions on wether or not they are crap.  They are rugged trail>  R6000's  (i think that was the model).  They were in the clearence>  section for 5 dollars each.
 already called - wonder - all gone (probably only had like 4 shocks left when
 they printed).  I did order some more heads for my tire grooving knife - the
 Swampers are gonna get cut up soon...
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 Traxx In Motion 4 Wheel Drive Club
 http://www.netmatter.com/traxx
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 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:17:19 EDT
 From: DRM033  Subject: Re: Drive Train Direct
 Why don't you get a local shop to do the work?  Those prices are pretty high.
 You should be able to get one put together with the tru Trac for about as much
 as they are quoting the open diff.
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 TLCA #5662
 Traxx In Motion 4 Wheel Drive Club
 http://www.netmatter.com/traxx
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 In a message dated 98-04-22 09:12:19 EDT, you write:>  Do you have any source that will sell me a complete rear V6/Turbo third>  member with true Trac for that price. The price they qoute is include the>  housing, Motive 4.88 gear, all new timken bearing and seals and a Detroit>  True Trac.>  I call WCD, Progear, Randys Ring and Pinion Service, Reider racing and>  4Wheel Parts they all ask around $650-800 for one with open diffrential and>  $950-1200 for one with Detroit True Trac. Plus they still charge $100-$200>  for the core.
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 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 10:21:00 -0500
 From: Rosenberger Bud  Subject: RE: reversible wheel
 Agustinus Gunawan wrote:>Does any body know a supplier for a reversible wheel. What I am looking
 for is a +2" to ->2" offset. By this I could play the width of the tract
 by 8".
 My tractors have reversible wheels on the front.  Never thought of it for
 my truck tho.  I'll do some checking as to bolt pattern and what the #s
 really are.  They are mostly 6 bolt wheels so maybe you could luck out.
 Has anyone ever seen this before?  That straight ribbed tread wouldn't
 do much for traction tho!
 Bud R
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 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:46:31 -0600 (MDT)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: Lockers> and the other with a lockright. Anybody have a front 7.5 stock front member> they want to part with?> Yeah.  But there's not much left of it; my V8 shredded the guts.  The case,
 cover, tube, and shafts are OK (but disassembled all over my garage) and
 it has no seals.
 Email me direct if you're interested; I've got no use for it, and I'd make
 you a deal.
 - --scott
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 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:51:42 -0600 (MDT)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: reversible wheel> BTW: what is the offset of the original wheels?> Most of the factory wheels were 4" backspacing on a 15x6, but
 some have 15x7's and x8's, and I don't know what the backspacing
 is on those.  I would assume it to be 4", which is standard, but
 it's tough to say.
 If you run much deeper than about a 5" backspacing, you'll run
 into clearance problems with suspension parts, so pick carefully.
 In theory, you could have a 15x8 wheel with 5" backspacing, and
 flip it to 3" backspacing (neglecting flange thickness; you did
 want this in steel, right?) for a 4" overall track increase.
 If you had one (four) made in aluminum, you could probably end
 up with a 5" backspacing in one direction, and a 2" in the other,
 on a 15x8.
 Much wider than 15x8, though, and you're going to lose benefits
 in a big hurry with this.
 - --scott
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 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:07:16 -0600 (MDT)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: RTI>>>My understanding is that to get 1000+ the FRONT wheel goes higher up the>>>ramp, but the rear stays on the ground plane - you have to hit it at an>>>angle. if they both went up the ramp, any vehicle that could do 1000 could>>>do huch higher until they rolled over, since there wouldn't be any>>>additional twist.>>>>I agree with you on this one-  the back wheel should stay on the ground,>>not go up the ramp.  That would really test suspension travel.  As I>>understand it, however, most groups test by taking the back tire up the>>ramp, which would test stability, not travel.  Anyone else have an opinion?>> Most people that I've seen with intentionally miss the ramp, which tests
 travel more accurately than driving up.
 Four Wheeler Magazine (the minds behind the ramp) drive trucks up the ramp,
 and (I think) for rollovers more than for travel.
 My personal opinion is that travel should be tested by missing the ramp if
 needed, or building/finding a steeper ramp if possible.
 But the even-better way to test it?  'Wheel it.  Ramps are neato play toys,
 but they'll never tell you how a truck will 'wheel.
 - --scott
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 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:14:10 -0600 (MDT)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: ADD ideas> Would it be possible to install an ADD diff section on my truck?  Here is what> I was thinking - the ADD disconnects one side of the axle, right?  I am going> to put a lockrite up front, so why not use the ADD to be able to basically> switch between 4 & 3 wheel drive?  I figure you would have to wire the ADD so> that it works independently of the 4 wheel drive system.  This would be really> handy if you could disable one side when you need to since the front locker> can make some manuvers difficult.> Sure, it should work.  But there's some things to watch for.
 First off, though, I know little about ADD specifically, but more about driven
 axles vs. undriven ones, etc.
 With only one hub locked (and pulling) you've got the same effect as with the
 ADD disconnected.  This makes for scary handling under power; the truck will
 suddenly lurch for one side, and will throw the other way if you downshift.
 And the ADD is not able to "power disengage" as such.  If it's under tension,
 it won't unlock.  You have to unlock it and relieve whatever pressure may be
 applied to the axles for it to pop out.  ARB's have the same tendency on
 slickrock; if you locked it up and put tension on it (turned around a corner)
 it can no longer unlock until that tension is released.
 - --scott
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 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:16:28 -0400
 From: Sheldon Gardner  Subject: Axle Widths>>> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:39:04 -0000> From: runars@isbank.is> Subject: RE: RTI, wide front axle, stuff...>>       I was also wondering if anyone out there ( James Stevenson ) can>> find me a wider OE toyota 86+ front axle??? I need the complete thing.>> Does  anyone know if the brakes and kuckles are the same??>>> This is going to be a hard to get, since the live front models never got> the wider rear axle at all.  Have you considered a 80-series front end?> They are simlar in design as the Hilux alxles, except for a reverse cut> helix front R&P on the same 8" diff.  Lowest ratios availanble are> however just 4.88:1 so maby this isn't a too good solution.>> cheers,> Runar.
 Runar, your response has broight back a question that I have been trying to answer
 for some time.
 The very first time I busted a Birfield (83 Truck) I ordered a used  replacement
 from T.A.P. When it came it was
 too long by about 1.5 inches. When I called them they said it came out of an 85
 truck. No biggie I manged
 to get the Birfield off and put it on my old axle so it could fit. Now I have a
 gutted 85
 truck with the orig front axle and it is 3 inches wider than my 83 unit? I have
 asked a few on the list about
 this but everyone thinks I'm crazy. Did Toy change axle widths with the 84 or 85
 models?
 I know the IFS axles are wider, could the wider axles been slipped in on some 84,
 85ish trucks?
 - -
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 A to Z Marketing Inc.
 atzmkt@flnet.com
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 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:17:16 -0400
 From: Sheldon Gardner  Subject: Axle Widths>>> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:39:04 -0000> From: runars@isbank.is> Subject: RE: RTI, wide front axle, stuff...>>       I was also wondering if anyone out there ( James Stevenson ) can>> find me a wider OE toyota 86+ front axle??? I need the complete thing.>> Does  anyone know if the brakes and kuckles are the same??>>> This is going to be a hard to get, since the live front models never got> the wider rear axle at all.  Have you considered a 80-series front end?> They are simlar in design as the Hilux alxles, except for a reverse cut> helix front R&P on the same 8" diff.  Lowest ratios availanble are> however just 4.88:1 so maby this isn't a too good solution.>> cheers,> Runar.
 Runar, your response has brought back a question that I have been trying to answer
 for some time.
 The very first time I busted a Birfield (83 Truck) I ordered a used  replacement
 from T.A.P. When it came it was
 too long by about 1.5 inches. When I called them they said it came out of an 85
 truck. No biggie I managed
 to get the Birfield off and put it on my old axle so it could fit. Now I have a
 gutted 85
 truck with the orig. front axle and it is 3 inches wider than my 83 unit? I have
 asked a few on the list about
 this but everyone thinks I'm crazy. Did Toy change axle widths with the 84 or 85
 models?
 I know the IFS axles are wider, could the wider axles been slipped in on some 84,
 85ish trucks?
 - -
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 A to Z Marketing Inc.
 atzmkt@flnet.com
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 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 01:22:06 EST
 From: "james stevenson"  Subject: TonkaTuf3 Update
 I have the rolling chassis done now with the engine and drive train in
 place. As planned the IFS/IRS and four wheel steering are part of the
 design. For the steering setup I have used a power steering rack and
 pinion setup. The rack is mounted about 11 inches forward of the
 firewall. The tie-rods on each side the rack are linked to a hydraulic
 master cylinder. A slave is mounted to the lower control arm in parallel
 with the drive shaft and then to the HumVee hub. The rear steer is
 operated by the front master cylinders (in reverse) and an adjustable
 purporting valve is linked to the Custom made Tcase. This gives full
 lock turns in the back in low range and a 3 degree full lock turn in 2WD
 for the highway. The shocks/Springs are adjustable Koni Coil overs 2 per
 wheel. The upper shock mounts are on a cantilever operated by a small
 hydraulic ram. This allows me to drop or raise a wheel by half the wheel
 travel. With this the body can be raised and lowered as well as tilted.
 The main section of the frame is a truss in which the diff is mounted. I
 am now working on fitting the 2 intercoolers for the 6.5 Chev Diesel.
 Making the fuel and water tanks and mounting the winches front and back.
 James Stevenson (TonkaTuf)
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 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:23:05 -0400 (EDT)
 From: Eli Madden  Subject: RUST
 Ah, RUST. I hate RUST. I hate rust so much that sometimes I think about
 moving south to get away from it. Then I remember how great a state I live
 in and change my mind.
 Anyways, I just had my '83's frame patched and welded due to rust and my
 driving habits. It had a BIG crack that eventually got all the way through
 the frame in the classic spot - between the bed and cab.
 Around here the most common way to prevent rust is oiling. Just spray that
 sucker all over. My dad uses kerosene to cut the oil and make it spray
 easier, but I hate the way it stinks. Bar and chain oil for chainsaws is
 designed to STICK really well and I'm going to try it. It can be cheap if
 you look for sales. I'm going to try it next time I oil my truck. Someone
 also suggested to me the other day that if you dump your old engine oil
 while it's still warm you can spray it a lot easier.
 Yeah yeah. Environmentalist types may say it's awful and all that, but
 think about all the pollution and materials used to make a new truck!
 Bondo absorbs water, look out! I've also thought of spraying foam into my
 frame, but I'm apprehensive about it trapping water.
 I figure I can get a couple more years out of my frame and then ???????
 I'm trying to design all mods so they bolt on so they can be moved. I
 might see if I can get a rust free frame from the south, or I might make
 or have made a new frame. We'll see. I don't have to worry about that now.
 I have to worry about that screeching and grinding that's increasing from
 my shot pinion bearing..........
 Ah, I love my Toy! Played with it this weekend and got a fresh small dent
 and scratch on the bed, ripped out the left front fender liner, and had
 FUN FUN FUN! My rebuild on my 22R has over 2k now and it pulls SOOO good!
 Eli Madden
 Middlebury, Vermont
 '83 SR5 Shortbed 4x4 [ANYWARE]
 31" Muds, '87 22R, 3" Front Springs (sits level), custom dents
 eli@computeralt.com
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 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:38:12 -0600 (MDT)
 From: Scott Ellinger  Subject: Re: IFS articulation> I understand how adjusting the T-Bars affect the height of my truck. How> does it affect the travel of my suspension?> In reality, they don't.  If they're cranked high enough, they can limit
 your compression, but ride height and travel are almost totally
 independent of one another on an IFS.
 - --scott
 Scott Ellinger   ellinger@holly.colostate.edu   Larimer County 4WD Club
 Visit my Home Page: http://holly.colostate.edu/~ellinger
 Please help me make Four Wheeler's Top Truck Challenge '98--vote #28 on
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 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:47:08 -0700
 From: Dan Merrick  Subject: Re: Tranny fluid
 I use Redline MTL in my truck, and it works great. The shifting is much
 smoother. The stuff is pretty expensive, like $7 a quart. I believe you can
 mix it with conventional gear oil, and it still works well(ie: throw in a
 quart of MTL, then top off the tranny with standard gear oil). I use it
 full strength, and change the fluid every 30K.
 I had a similar situation to Brandon, where my tranny blew shortly after
 adding Redline, but I am sure it was a coincidence. The tranny was making
 noise, so I added Redline in hopes of getting a few more miles out of it.
 My brother runs a mix of conventional gear oil(cheapo Sta-lube)and a quart
 or two of MTL. He has close to 200K miles on that tranny!
 I have heard of people running auto tranny fluid in their 5 speeds, does
 anyone know about doing this? Sounds crazy to me! I know that when I
 changed my brother's tranny fluid for the first time, the fluid was very
 red in color, and looked like auto tranny fluid. But then again, Toyotas
 come from the factory with red coolant! But whatever that red stuff was
 that the truck came with from the factory worked the best. His truck
 shifted tons better with the "red" stuff than anything we have put in since!!
 I don't know about an oil being too slippery, but read the back of a
 Redline MTL bottle. It says that many conventional and synthetics are too
 slick. This gives the "notchy" feel to many stick shifts, because the
 synchros are not properly lubed. I believe it has more to do with the
 viscosity and the compression and shear strength of the oil.(just thought
 I'd throw out some random technical terms to sound really smart!!)
 Hopefully someone will enlighten us on this subject.
 Dan
 discusses this>What are the thoughts on having to "slippery" of an oil?
 The reason I ask>is the last time I put Redline in my tranny blew about 500 miles later, I>doubt they are related but it makes me a little hesitant to put it back in.>>>Neil McMullen wrote:>>  Also I>>> am going to change the transfer case and tranny fluid (just finshed my>>> engine with Mobil 1 as always).  As I only run synthetic fluid on my>entire>>> driveline, does Castrol 75w90 synthetic gear oil sound okay?  Also a>while>>> back some people had said to use a quart of GM Syncromesh in the 5 speed>>> when changing the fluid.  Is that still the consensus?>>>>>I have Redline in my tranny and transfer case...no need for>>synchromesh.  It works beautifully. Kinda pricy but at every 15K its>>well worth a little setback.>>-->>Steve Capuano 1996 Tacoma ext cab V6 4X4
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 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:51:56 -0000
 From: runars@isbank.is
 Subject: RE: Axle Widths> Runar, your response has brought back a question that I have been> trying to answer> for some time.> The very first time I busted a Birfield (83 Truck) I ordered a used> replacement> from T.A.P. When it came it was> too long by about 1.5 inches. When I called them they said it came out> of an 85> truck. No biggie I managed> to get the Birfield off and put it on my old axle so it could fit. Now> I have a> gutted 85> truck with the orig. front axle and it is 3 inches wider than my 83> unit? I have> asked a few on the list about> this but everyone thinks I'm crazy. Did Toy change axle widths with> the 84 or 85> models?> I know the IFS axles are wider, could the wider axles been slipped in> on some 84,> 85ish trucks?
 [500 T?LV R?nar Sigurj?nsson]  I got no idea.  I do know tho
 that my 85 truck does not have as wide axles as the IFS trucks have.
 However I could mesure them and compare to some with a earlier truck.
 Runar.> -> Sheldon Gardner> A to Z Marketing Inc.> atzmkt@flnet.com>>>> ======================================================================> ======> Toyota 4x4 page: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota
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 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 06:07:05 -1000
 From: BakirH@who-ceha.org.jo
 Subject: Bio
 Name: Hamed Bakir
 City & State: Amman
 Country: Jordan
 E-mail address: bakirh@who-ceha.org.jo
 Toyota (s) year & model: 4 Runner 1993
 Are you a TLCA Member (Y/N/Number?): N
 Age: 39
 Occupation: Environmental Engineer/Scientist
 Marital Status: Married
 Hobbies: Camping, oudoor living, wood working, home designs, carpet and
 rugs collection,
 How did you find out about the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List: Searching for
 technical help on the internet
 General info about your vehicle, self, etc.: 22R engine, manual
 transmission, 135,000 km
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 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:56:12 -0400
 From: "Dr. Karl Bellve"  Subject: Fight against rust
 For everyone interested in fighting rust, go to http://www.zincrich.com/
 They make something that is supposed to protect bare metal. It looks
 very good. It is meant for bare metal and can be painted.>> Good morning Dr. Bellve.> ZRC is the ideal protection against rust & rust creepage on the> undercarriage and body of one's vehicle in New England where salt is> spread on highways and salt air from the ocean further contributes to> deterioration of metal.> The only metal area on a vehicle where you would not want to use it> would be the exhaust manifold which is too hot and will burn off the> ZRC.> The most critical factor is to be sure it is applied to the CLEAN, DRY,> BARE METAL.> ZRC is non-hazardous for ground transportation so it can be shipped UPS> factory-direct (or can be picked up if you are at the Boston campus> nearby). We accept cash, MasterCard, Visa, Prepayment & COD.> ZRC comes in 12-oz. aerosol cans which cover 35 - 40 sq. ft @ $7.09/can;> half-pints @ $9.10/ea; quarts @ $26.08/ea; & gallons @ $96.24/ea.> The liquid form gets 350 - 400 sq. ft./gallon.> Any questions or to order, please give me a call or E-Mail us.>> Lorraine> ZRC Customer Service> Tel: (617) 328-6700
 - --
 Cheers,
 Karl Bellve, Ph.D.
 Biomedical Imaging Group
 University of Massachusetts
 Email: kdb@molmed.ummed.edu
 Phone: (508) 856-6514
 Fax:   (508) 856-1840
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 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:53:54 -0700
 From: "Farrales, Deo"  Subject: Problems in first...Manual hubs...
 I don't know if I'm just being careless or if somethings wrong with my
 tranny but this has happened a few times during the past 2-3 months.  I
 would start out in first gear (92Runner 5spd) and it would pop out of
 gear when I hit the gas.  It would make a loud "bang" noise which really
 makes me scringe!  I think I'm just being careless and not putting it in
 gear all the way 'cuz I can't duplicate it and it only happens when I
 drive lazy (I think..).  Does anyone know if this is a common occurance?
 Another question...I just added manual hubs.  If I go into 4lo w/o
 locking the hubs, will that give me 2lo?  Will I be ruining anything?
 I've also heard about getting rid of the ADD system all together.  Why
 do this and how?
 (please CC me as well as posting to the list...digest mode)
 Thanks,
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 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:55:22 -0700
 From: Jim Walters  Subject: Re: RTI
 Scott Ellinger wrote:> But the even-better way to test it?  'Wheel it.  Ramps are neato play toys,> but they'll never tell you how a truck will 'wheel.>> --scott
 I agree that some number doesn't tell how well a rig and driver can do on the
 trail. However, I was looking for some method of checking out articulation while
 I'm at home and can work on making some changes and I don't have a fork lift in my
 garage.  When I spend the time to get to the rough stuff, I might step out with a
 tape and measure things, but I'm not going to make modifications out there laying
 on the rocks..
 Roger Brown sent me a pointer to his page
 (http://reality.sgi.com/rogerb/4x4/CheapTricks/Ramp.html) that describes how he
 uses two standard automotive ramps to get twisted up on the driveway with some
 info on how to calculate RTI from that.  It is a nice way to check things out at
 home when the focus is on working on the rig.
 Jim
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 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:11:38 -0800
 From: Jeff Moskovitz  Subject: Looking for destination recommendations in California
 I'd like to get some opinions...
 I'm trying to find a place to go fishing with my brother for early June,
 and I was wondering if folks on the list had any suggestions.  First off,
 it needs to be in California; within a five hour drive of the Bay Area
 would be ideal. Secondly, I'd like to find a lake (could be a river, I
 guess) that's not too crowded, and not too terribly hard to get to (my
 truck has stock suspension, and I'm a novice off-roader, though an
 experienced outdoorsman). Finally, because it's early June, I think
 anything above 6,000 - 7,000ft is going to be pretty questionable.
 If anyone could recommend a book with some likely candidates, that would
 also be great. (If it were a little later in the year I would probably be
 inclined to check out the Caples Lake/Tragedy Springs area, as I've done
 a lot of hiking near there, and like it a lot.)
 Thanks!
 Jeff Moskovitz
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 Senior Support Specialist                  http://www.well.com/user/mosk
 FileMaker, Inc.
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 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:16:15 -0700
 From: Steve Harron  Subject: RE: Slippery Oil
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 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:36:06 -0700
 From: "Brandon Miller"  Subject: Re: routine maint. help / prices too...
 What are the thoughts on having to "slippery" of an oil?  The
 reason I ask
 is the last time I put Redline in my tranny blew about 500 miles
 later, I
 doubt they are related but it makes me a little hesitant to put
 it back in.
 I have always run Castrol "dinosaur" gear oil in my tranny.
 However when I changed the clutch I tried the Castrol Syntec gear oil.
 That was 3,500 miles ago.  The trans is definitely louder and doesn't
 seem to shift as well.  When I am in neutral with the clutch out I can
 here the gears whine.  Also, the trans doesn't seem to syncro as well.
 I'm going back to the "dinosaur" oil this weekend.
 Just my $.02
 Steve Harron
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 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:19:02 +0000
 From: "Michael O'Malley"  Subject: additives
 a friend of mine put slick50 in his 91 Berreta with the quad4
 motor...it royally screwed up his engine........the slick50 coated
 the oil injectors it uses to cool and lube under the piston skirts
 like a diesel........then his head warped and had to replace the
 engine....under warranty
 94Hilux
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 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:17:24 -0700
 From: "Roger Brown P.E."  Subject: RTI, wide front axle, stuff...
 Brennan wrote:>> ...
 At my shop ( when I get one
 with enough room) I plan not to use a ramp at all. I think using 2
 forklifts, at opposite corners, will give a better idea of travel in
 EXTREME rigs.
 ...
< Subject: Spare hub mount
 Chris wrote:>> Looking for a place to mount a spare hub for trail repairs? If you have a 90-92
 4Runner with the swing out tire carrier then the best place I can think of is
 right in the middle of the spare tire! After cuting off a the horn that the
 spare sits on, I bolted the spare hub in place.
<